Star Citizen: RIP Drake Corsair

[@ArthurLehmann]

CIG, It's a fucking game, give us the thing, let us have fun

[@shawnc5188]

The Corsair is still ok for ERT - switch the bottom guns to ballistic so there’s more capacitor for the pilot guns. 2x M7 + 2x M6 still blows Hammerheads, which it still out ranges, and it reloads slightly faster now. Yea, the copilot gunnery range is very limited, and yeah, I now prefer the Connie Taurus to my Corsair, as the Taurus has the cargo capacity for two ERTs worth of loot before I RTB.

[@KingFate20]

Pretty sure the bottom guns don't effect the top guns capacitors. I took them off the other day to test it and my other guns had the exact same number of shots with or without the bottom 2 size 5s.

[@MunchJinkies]

Glad I saw this… I was about to upgrade to a Corsair. I refuse to get Ion’d again.

[@PelenTan]

One of the biggest issue with this are CIG's lies about it. They said it's to balance. Things weren't out of balance. Full stop. Yeah, a lot of people were using the Corsair for what it was purchased for with real money. But that's not a balance issue. That's a preference issue. They said it was to encourage group-play. The co-pilot is reduced to pushing a single button. Then they compounded the lie by doubling down and saying "well they still have the gimble motion to control". Another lie. While you have a few degrees of motion, it's not even a tease. It's a lie about control. And then there is the lie about it always supposed to be that way. If that were true, they would have separate capacitors they would be running off of. That's what is really pissing people off about CIG. Lie after lie after lie.

[@fueler5479]

It's the Ares Ion all over again. Pure bait and switch. They've done it with serveral ships, like the Banu Defenders guns that were sold as one thing then changed after sales had ended. CiG does not respect it's playerbase, just the money.

[@Ratticus_Black]

I'm an Ares Inferno owner, and a Corsair owner, and I'm honestly done with CIG's bait and switch. If I were Master-Blaster, and my Wallet was Bartertown, I'd inform CIG that the "Embargo is on!"

[@planetwally]

very well said .. what made it look really bad is selling the starlancer shortly after nerfing both the corsair and redeemer

[@InTVS]

a total coincidence im pretty sure, CIG wouldn't ever nerf something because of marketing right?

[@vonrosphe3098]

I may be look bad. But the starlancer isn't a replacement for the old corsair, maybe a bad one for the old redeemer. The replacement for the Corsair is the Conni. The new redeemer fits much more into the vers. BUT Cig should have decreased the money value for the redeemer and give the owners the difference back.

[@naoh8026]

yay, nerfing redeemer for TAC, announced galaxy building module will not come out before the BLD, really disgusting

[@imushavem4061]

I feel they made the $250 Corsair weaker in every way to the $200 Taurus. Those guns gave it that extra $50 value. I can't even downgrade to the Taurus without melting and losing my LTI without buying a LTI token. That is the BS to me.

[@matthewbrady5274]

Should have access to at least one store credit buy back, think it resets every year.

[@lordsheogorath3377]

@@matthewbrady5274 once every quarter.

[@naoh8026]

I will upgrad my corsair to a practical 1536scu ironclad for cargo hauling, this time I know I'll never buy any firepower attracted ship in the future

[@schlagzahne6741]

Shouldn't have bought for power then. I kept mine because I love the aesthetic and styling. If you fly solo then choose solo ships, who says taurus will remain the way it is? Maybe Connie's drop back to 4x size 4s. Also once engineering goes live, all solo players on multi crew ships will be borked when systems start shutting down. Also.... DONT BUY FOR POWER - cig might just change that. Don't fly multicrew ships solo. Expect changes. Look at the changes as a whole- even with 4 guns the corsair is nuking larger ships, shields overall have lower hp pools and so on. I feel if they make the copilot guns a 180 degree rotating turret it would be fine.

[@karmabad6287]

​@matthewbrady5274 you get 4 buyback tokens every year that can be used to buy back melted ships with store credit.

[@solidkreate5007]

This is the exact reason I stopped buying ships.

[@ToastyClam]

I started 2 years ago. It has always boggled my mind that that huge ship was the best solo ship in ANY situation

[@Mimas810]

every new ship gets the...i call it.. hype-armor. and they just take away the old hype-armor from the corsair. its a multicrew explorer. not a gun ship. and before they change the corsair to a gunship(and force exploration players to buy a new exploration ship) they would build an extra drake gunship for the people that have use the corsair as a gunship.

[@vonrosphe3098]

The Corsair was never a explorer ship. It was always a Drake "explorer" ship. The "explorer" was only a Drake marketing gag. And CIG could easily change other stats of the ship. Make it slower. More sluggish. Less durable. But taking away two guns from the pilot was a bad move. Apart from having only the highest kill count because of silly missions.

[@flaxensaxon6052]

​@@vonrosphe3098 yeah I'm sick of these goons claiming it's an explorer. Cig said from the beginning it has no dedicated scanning suites, and it's radars that are state of the art are state of the art for drake, which means average. They sold it as a pirate ship with a lot of pilot guns.

[@Coecoo]

More than half of the """ship classifications""" are completely misleading at best.

[@imushavem4061]

If you go back to the promotional commercial for the Corsair, you'll hear a pirate shanty singing in the background. It was never intended to be a "traditional' exploration ship.

[@EvilSage42]

I'm gonna melt a bunch of my Drake ships for the MFD colour update alone, the new colour is horrible, looks too washed out like baby puke/peasoup, I enjoyed the hacker feel of the green display, made it feel more fixed on the fly aesthetic.

[@redbarchetta8782]

Why? Because when you buy a ship and then get that ship only to be told a few years later they'll nerf it you should be upset. You spent REAL MONEY on it. Would you like it if you bought a new car with a super charged V8, then two years later they come back in the middle of the night and replace it with a 3 cylinder out of a Geo Metro? Nah, doubt it.

[@straidenlagh5237]

It's another classic bait and switch. Keep in mind, I /do/ fly this multicrew with my friends. Thing is, I can't fill every seat every time. The pilot having access to the forward facing guns simply made sense. That's it. Having people on turrets with that? Was a blast. Now my three person crew? Has one person wanting to be on co-pilots seat for...for what exactly? to hit a single button when I say I'm hitting the button? To have a lack of actual player input in anything? The range on the bottom guns are so minimal that calling them decently turretable is a lie. The reason behind this is a lie. The connie still has as much if not more firepower at this point WITH full pilot control of the forward facing guns, and RSI is of course...Chris' favorite ship producer, and the connie is his favorite ship on record. Now, the corsair isn't dead, but who's to say they won't attempt to make changes /again/ because head honcho wants more cool RSI things out? Or because once again they change their mind on something at the last second and make sweeping changes? When balance is up to what the leads idea of what is 'cool' or what his 'favorite' is, you should never consider backing a game like that with your IRL money. Especially when we're going on ten years, with the last four or so being "SQ42 is only two years away guys!" Also, if anyone says "This ship SHOULD be nerfed, it's an exploration ship!" you're cracked. This ship ain't made for exploring. It barely has anything 'exploration like' in it. It was made to explore other peoples friggin cargo. Enhanced sensor suite my ass. It means nothing in the state the game is in now, and almost guaranteed years down the line it'll be a minimal boost to sensors. We all know CIG lies out their asses. They lie about the state of the game, they lie about their own hiring and workers conditions, they're going to also lie about balance after sales are made, and then push the new biggest thing like some used car dealership pushing lemons out of a lot. Don't buy ships with real money, end of story. You can believe and want the project to succeed, and hopefully be great...but be smart about it if you're going to. Get a base package, 40 dollars for something like this ain't bad at all.

[@cyranobuckminster1970]

CIG's grand plans for the future are all well and good but they also need to keep players (even we lowly solo players) engaged and interested in playing NOW. 1.0 is still years away. Even the vaunted 4.0 - if it even comes out in 2024 at all - will just be a shell of what was promised. If I have to re-focus my interest - and income - towards another game in the meantime, then come back to Star Citizen a few years down the road when it's closer to launch, I will. Assuming they don't continue to erode the trust of their loyal player-base with bait-and-switch ship sales and ever-moving goal-posts, in which case the wheels will eventually fall off completely and there will never be a launch.

[@IceSki117]

"The end of the Corsair as we know it" is probably the best statement. It's not killing the Corsair, just CIG bringing it more in line with their plans.

[@CrispyMuffin2]

Wasn't it a dedicated explorer as well? I always thought it was a bit weird to have such a ship basically behave like a Corvette or Frigate

[@elruchal]

@@CrispyMuffin2 had no sense. I enjoyed giving it a try 1st days, but had no sense. Too powerful

[@ChannelHandlePending]

​@@CrispyMuffin2 Not a dedicated explorer, even if it was it has less pilot firepower now than the aquila but with non of the bells and whistles. the aquila comes with, like a snub fighter, a very well placed (at least compared to the corsairs turrets) turret with 2x size 3's on it, a dedicated scanning station that makes in an explorer, and so on. Not to mention all the connies have a larger cargo grid than the corsair and at minimum I think have the same missile payload. So if the corsair needed to be nerfed this badly because of the extra 2 size 4 guns why did they buff the connies at the same time as they pushed the nerf through?

[@KingFate20]

My issue with this whole thing is that average turrerts make no sense for players. Twin size 1/2/3 turrets are IMO NPC seats. They aren't for getting kills, they are for zone control. Pepper the target's shields enough to get them to fly evasively or pull away before breaking shields. Turrets right now have super high sustained DPS, but it doesn't matter because you have no control of your own range and firing arcs (which are awful because turrets are generally in the stupidest spots). The only time a player would ever actually want to be in those seats, is if they were already on that ship for some other reason like mining. Sadly that is where we DON'T see turrets. The Mole should 100% have a remote turret or 2. So really they should just bite the bullet and add NPC crew that are just locked into seats. You hire them, then put them in seat slots like ship components and just use the current NPC turret AI (shoot at anything hostile to the pilot). NPC crew will 99% of the time just be seat warmers for turrets when they are added anyway. No one is risking having a Quantanium rock blow up in their face because a stupid computer is programmed to intentionally be worse than a player.

[@AndreyBorisovBoris]

i would accept such changes if they extend the size 2 to size 3 or even 4 for side and back turrets and make the low 5 size gimbal working in two modes - 1st like it works now, the second one is remote turrets like A2 wit ability turn completely back.

[@machoalright]

I can not believe people are so salty, they used a multicrewship as an solo one. That was the whole reason people got the corsair. I knew this would happen eventually. It was too OP. And be glad, it still retained all its original compoments and weapons. So this "nerf" is minor. Unlike the ones like the redeemer. that was a massive nerf. Now stop crying.

[@AWARHERO]

Never NERF stuff , always BUFF everything else

[@bic255]

looking forward to take down javelins with my aurora

[@jimflagg4009]

Those guns were originally supposed to be co-pilot controlled. They had to not make them co-pilot controlled because they guns were preventing it from landing properly.

[@imushavem4061]

That just says they went back to something they know wouldn't work from the beginning. That makes it worse.

[@BlackLethalDragon]

The only thing that might scrap up confidence in it being a solo-friendly ship is when they add the AI modules so multi0crew turrets become automated

[@Zamugustar]

All they had to do was remove the wing guns...Then it would have the exact same pilot controlled front facing 4S5s that the Connie's have. As of now I am probably going to CCU to an Aquila as it has the better HP, the same shields, better pilot controlled firepower, more cargo capacity that is easier to access, and the scanner turret. This ship should not be outgunned by the Taurus...

[@EdwardDragon96]

Except it would then be weaker than the Connie aswell because the Connie has double the health and a metric f*ckton of missiles.

[@Gregoses]

so many people, me included, are now considering the starlancer max instead of the corsair

[@RtannerW-]

That’s what CIG wants

[@TheModelOmega]

They should have lowered the ship armor in my opinion, embracing the glass cannon aspect of the ship.

[@Vegonbray]

Wasnt ship supposed to be just a thank you for pledging towards the development rather than certain advantage that someone gets?

[@Mor4me]

Well, if you ever thought you could move cargo in the Kerick, you’re definitely in a sad state now

[@RtannerW-]

Carrack*

[@Tbernard-s2n]

This disregard for the players cost them $700 that I know I would have spent during IAE. IF the corsair nerf had been done with care as opposed to with a hammer, I could be more understanding of their reasons. The fact that the corsair is more expensive then the Taurus ( I hate the connies so much I won't fly them ) but now is much less capable of a ship, really gets under my skin.

[@jaype886]

RIP my god old ugly friend DRAKE Corsair. we both had a lot of fun, but unfortunately CIG doesn't grant us that. 😢

[@h3llofademon]

Can't lie, now that I think about it, it feels like a nerf to cause ppl shift from Corsair to Starlancer TAC

[@kVidStream]

I'm giving CIG a big FU this November if they decide to F us further.

[@LuluGamingDK]

can still do ERT with it so... ya i think ppl for get that it s EXPLORER ship and not a combat ship lol That happen to be meta for pve/pvp in alot of ways. Also its over all DPS is not lower, if you look at the foreing rate it was buffed up so even with the fewer guns on pilot.. it over all dps did not go down for poilt. But the ships over all dps did go up for crew gameplay

[@heraklesfarnese960]

A Corsair nerf was needed, but there has to be a better solution. Just make it like 6xS4 for the pilot or something like that. The same problem with the connie. Why have Freighters and "Explorers" with more firepower than ANY military ship. Just makes no sense.

[@themarveluniverseonline]

The video starts with a Corsair killing a Hammerhead. I think that speaks for itself.

[@karmabad6287]

It does. It tells me the hammerhead is a worthless piece of crap. A complete failure of a concept in its current form.

[@takodaholeman6439]

@@karmabad6287 the hammerhead is designed as a fighter screening vessel for naval fleets. Of course a ship with strong shields and a ballistic loadout is going to shred a hammerhead... also we all know AI controlled ships suck. My friends and I have beat corsairs with ease in an undercrewed hammerhead. The ship isnt a failure, the AI model for it is.

[@RtannerW-]

This HH shown is also an NPC one with less HP pool then a player HH

[@karmabad6287]

@takodaholeman6439 well now I'm confused.. op seems to be insinuating that a corsair has no business beating a hammerhead. Leaving me with the impression that he thought the corsair was overpowered..

[@matthewbrady5274]

Every online game ever has nerfs and changes happen. The only thing that is for certain, whining and complaining.

[@the_babbleboom]

and dont forget the bootlicking and whiteknighting from people that have no idea what's actually good design because they're in it for the cultism and not for a genuine love for games.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@the_babbleboom And don't forget the people who complain about people who explain how game design works, even though the people who complain about the balancing and changes have never written a single line of code in their life.

[@idminister]

there is a huge difference between nerfing something that is earnable only via gameplay vs nerfing something players can pay (pledge) for and does not maatter whether that pay is direct buy or real money lootbox (gacha)

[@AveSinistra]

I can’t tell you how HEATED i would get when my main class in ESO would be just nuked into oblivion only for then to change it into something else i ended up liking better…..but not always

[@evobsm2328]

​​​@@idminister its their own fault for looking at it that way. From the verry beginning they said you are not buying ships. You are pledging. The ship gets attached to it so you wont feel like you spend your money for nothing, so you get something in return. Plus all of these ships are earnable in game... whats the issue?

[@Gundobald]

It makes trusting cig impossible. Why would i buy another ship that seems to have what i’m after … like Ironclad, if they nerf my ability to fly it later on. They say the game is meant to cater to all play styles… and yet they continue to change things that make it hard to solo . I have no intention of grouping on a regular basis.and honestly who wants to join me as I meander thru the system. Solo play to me is doing things at my own pace , afk when i want, switching missions or locations as i choose. Grouping makes any of that impossible because unless you are grouping for a specific point or purpose, like doing a raid or server event… who just wants to be on board my ship to press a effin trigger occasionally.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

They literally tell you on every single page that the ships are subject to change. If you cannot take the caveats to mind then yeah, you should not buy anything else because you're pledging a ship to fund development.

[@littlefoot2869]

bait and switch was galaxy we are never going to see that base mod ever they said to shut us up

[@FurneDesigns]

all weapons must be optionally controlled by the pilot even turrets......

[@elruchal]

yeah, let a soloer with an 890 obliterate everyone

[@RtannerW-]

@@elruchal890j is dog water! Even if you could control guns from the pilot seat.

[@shidera8936]

They dont bought it for the "Solo capabilities" they bought it because of his OP gun set-up. If you buy a ship for that reason, you deserve it

[@flaxensaxon6052]

That's how it was sold

[@horrificplumpkin6266]

People bought into an advertisement for a ship in a game that is thoroughly marketed as in development and subject to constant change and now feel cheated that the game changed? colour me shocked.

[@3DzEXPLOSION]

I feel like i'm going crazy. If I buy a skin and league champ package in any other game and they get nerfed do I call it a bait and switch? A scam? They don't even have half the systems in the game and people are swiping. Just buy the ship you like and take breaks until the full game comes out (in 20 years) as I guaranteed half of these ships are going to be massively changed as well.

[@CRO83RTS]

Make another ship to keep it inline 😎

[@ordnanceant]

Nothing new here CIG has always changed ships and had notes on the pages, I signed up back in 2013 and have an Aurora which has lacked any updates to bring up to standard gameplay standards and many unknowns about what the Aurora will be capable of doing. Not invested anything since 2015 and anyone that has didn't read the small print or see what as happened so far and just saw the shiny marketing and hype....basically classic sales techniques. They have funded the game further I guess but also lead to massive scope creep and systems being reworked, then reworked again to add gameplay and the then reworked again to gold standard.

[@TheBLAZI]

i think they shuld left one that was already bought by many, stop selling it and add second model with co pilot capabilitys for sell,

[@benjaminmartin204]

did not mind them nerfing the corsair, just dont like how they did it, they need to make multi crewing the corsair fun, right now it is not.

[@CptFugu]

I believe a pledge is a two way street. CIG has the responsibility to bring about a ship that is as close to the ship we pledged for as possible. Once the concept is baked and published the changes need to be minor and subtle. CIG shouldn't think they have a blank check to publish a ship half-cooked in order to fix it later. In addition to that, the ships need to be balanced for PvP as much as possible at launch. CIG is failing at that. Specially in multicrew ships. Number in a spreadsheet alone can't tell the full picture. The ships, particularly multicrew/large/capital combat specialists need to balance out against a similar number of players in individual ships in order to be competitive and worth using. I am livid about the major nerf to the Redeemer. The ship was almost perfect at launch. It is now worthless.

[@takodaholeman6439]

yea the issue with the redeemer is the fact it was better than pretty much every other multicrew ship in the game. It was too perfect. It's nerf brought it in line with ships of it's size. Why did a ship smaller than the corsair and connie have 2 S3 shields like the hammerhead? Also it's meant to fight fighters, they downsized the turret weapons to increase capacitor size as well as firerate. Bigger guns are generally worse for hunting fighters.

[@CptFugu]

@@takodaholeman6439 As a matter of fact, it is the best part of $100.00 more expensive than a connie. And it is a dedicated specialist that can only do one job. If you take the cargo bay off a connie/corsair you end up with something pretty much the size of a Redeemer, so the size isn't an issue. You have ships that are cheaper, AND multi-role, and they now outgun and outclass a dedicated MILITARY combat ship. That's like saying the cargo bay of the hull A can't be bigger than the Nomad's because that makes it OP. Specialist ships give everything in exchange for being the best at one role. That's where their balance lays. Don't tell me you expect dedicated combat ships to have the same shields as the rest, particularly if they require bigger crews in order to operate.

[@takodaholeman6439]

@CptFugu this sounds like a self report that you can't outfly a slower, longer, less maneuverable ship. With a smaller, tankier, equally shielded ship that has FAR better turrets (because it is classified as a gunship, not a fighter). We have always known price means nothing, a $70 fighter is still one of the best fighters in the game, beating out the likes of it's $200+ counterparts.

[@CptFugu]

@@takodaholeman6439 What are you talking about? The Connie and the Corsair have S5's under the Pilot's control so, even Solo they could match the Redeemer in firepower given the same number of crewmen. Take into account the Connie's massive missile batteries and it was no contest on that regard. If anything, the shields were the only advantage the Redeemer had to compensate for being locked into a single type of gameplay. And to be honest, with a crew of 4 they were not out of the ballpark. At worst, they could have removed one of the 3 shields, but making it half the shield hp of any other medium multicrew ship is ludicrous for a ship that is intended as a front line combatant. Price does matter. CIG is on record saying that they now compute price based on a formula that takes into account the ship's components. In any case, for the people who paid $330.00 for a ship that is now outclassed by a $200.00 freighter, those extra hundred dollars are worth a pretty sharp slap on the face.

[@eoconnor2000]

I like how you said CIG nerfed the Corsair because of the data. Could it be there are a lot of solo players and they love this ship more than any other ship hence the data shows this ship has higher kills than any other ship. This one was a blow, I know these are pledge ships but to a backer it is still an investment. I have several ships still in concept and the ships I do have are being nerfed. No ship is safe. The best recommendation is dont buy ships with real money.

[@Czejenesku]

can anyone tell me why lag pip is better?

[@stepstv4466]

I am generally disappointed by the quality of the Corsair.

[@ShadeSide21]

The copilot guns are useless now, so what is the point of that? For me, they just rush a decision just to sell new ships forgetting to sort out the copilot situation properly. Because no way somebody at cig can think "oh now is good, the bottom guns work better now". At least make them more mobile with a better view

[@ALEX_JOTA]

RIP, beloved Corsair. 😔

[@pashkracken4054]

The Corsair is a MULTICREW vessel, not a solo ship. It's their game, we're just testers. You wanna fly solo?...get a single seater.

[@innominatecitizen]

This is true. However, it should have been released like a multi crew ship not a buffed solo.

[@InTVS]

ion nerf, couf couf, sorry i have the flu

[@pashkracken4054]

@@innominatecitizen How was it released like a solo ship? With seats/turrets/beds for a crew of four? Hunting NPC ERTs for weevil eggs during alpha isn't her intended use. But she'll still do it..just bring a friend.

[@pashkracken4054]

@@innominatecitizen It comes with 2 pilot seats and two turrets..how do you call that a solo ship? Were you planning on running between all the stations on board during a fight? A little engineering here, then jump in a turret and squeeze off a few shots before you have to run back to the cockpit and keep from crashing into something? Look, I know it's fun snatching weevil eggs from NPC's and all but it's hardly what she was built for. And you'll be pirate fodder when REAL players come across you either way. Solo players will only get so far in SC. Team play is the way to win here. *sorry dude that came off harsh, I understand your point and usually agree with most of your opinions okay? But I got into SC for the crew gameplay and co-op adventures to be had with my org mates. Solo gunship play is fun in this test alpha we currently have, but eventually these ships will be useless to solo pilots in the verse at 1.0..so expect CIG to start weaning us off the No Consequences style of play we have to the much more dangerous Verse that's coming. This won't be the last "balance pass" they make on our favorite ships. So my advice to players is to get yourself into an org you like and crew up, make friends and go make that cheddar and have fun. Just my two bits ya dig? o7

[@imobius_1i98]

The real tragedy is that the coni gets 4x size 5 now with more HP as well what gives.

[@johnnymclemore8255]

Time to melt my Corsair and 600i, out with the old ships and in with the new ships. This is why the BMM will never be released, reworked ships do not make as much revenue and new concepts.

[@3DzEXPLOSION]

Drake pilots are like dragunov tekken mains. I swear for the past years it's been nothing but solo Corsair flyers. Everyone and their mom brought one because it was "OP". Buy the ship you like and don't spend anymore until the game releases in 20years. Chasing metas in a alpha game is crazy, I hate to break it to you more ships are going to get changed/nerfed/buffed as systems come online. There are going to be better ships and lateral changes because its SC. So what you paid $200 dollars for your League of legends champ and skin bundle, he's no longer a mid lane S+ tier destroyer. Stop buying ships in alpha, the changes will be rollercoasters. If/When the corsair gets changed/buffed again, I promise whatever the meta ship you will be melting for it people will be crying again.

[@WarlockSRB]

it is pretty simple, I was panning to buy few ships more... now, I'm just gonna wait... not giving a dime more, and it is not just Corsair, it is everything that is happening... not that I spent too much, but it is enough...

[@PRIMEVAL543]

I dare everyone who claims the Corsair is dead to play Ion for a month and usually they come back the next day, apologize and shut up XD (0_o“)

[@JibronLames]

This game is slowly straying away from a solo space experience to a more coop/streamer mmo focused only game.

[@blackcobra8849]

This is major problem for all ships. False advertisement. I purchased the Corsair as first advertised. I don’t care about data. IT NOT MY PROBLEM. I PURCHASED $250.00 Drake Corsair and that what I want. If someone wants to keep up, then buy a Corsair. I did.

[@rewerker566]

This is why I’m not buying more ships!

[@alm.8989]

people are gonna stop buying ships

[@davewills6121]

The Corsair was always a heavy trashcan, its now where it deserves to be, no loss.

[@UNBE4R4BLE]

So far Star Citizen remains engagingly beautiful, and any and all changes towards balance and progression are welcome, including Master Modes that as a hauler/miner/salvager are to my advantage and have helped to even the field

[@ooSleepyCuilan]

The AI written voice overs are lil too obvious.

[@VulpesChama]

People who think and thought that ships with a crew capacity above 1 will always be efficiently soloable are and were delusional about the ships they bought. And the higher the effective crew number, the worse it gets. The Corsair is designated to have a crew of 4. It was never realistic that this would be a ship that you could run effectively solo. Like it or hate it, but if you got the idea you were wrong from the start. Yeah, CIG said it is soloable, which it still is. Nothing changed about that. They never said it is a ship meant to by piloted solo. Those are two different things. The Redeemer nerf is a different yet similar story. The Redeemer outperformed for its size. Everyone with eyes should've been able to see that. It's damage output was nowhere near what its size would imply or even be reasonable. In addition to that, the Redeemer wasn't really nerfed. Fly it with three people (pilot + 2 gunners), in any swarm scenario. You won't have any problems there. Like it is freakin' easy to beat those and go out with mere sratches if any damage at all. The reason for that, the Redeemer got a size lower in guns, but it finally got the maneuverability that a ship of its size should have. You can actually dodge and go behind targets now. From what we have in the previous patch, I'd even say the Redeemer got buffed. It's a much more viable ship now than it was before. Yeah, it has problems taking out an Idris now. And it should have. But, it doesn't have problems taking out a dozen Buccaneers anymore. Furthermore, if you play meta in an in-development game, you have already made a mistake. Also, the Taurus / Constellation line will also get its "nerf". It's just a matter of time, but it will be sooner if "all" people now switch to the Taurus for all those combat missions. So, please do. The data for the Corsair "nerf" came exactly from it being overrepresented in a game loop it wasn't designed for.

[@nobnobington6207]

for ERTS consisting of large cargo vessels, is well within the scope of the corsair. now is this what ERTS will end up being probably not but for now it is "designed" for it.

[@THEMALBINO]

Its like buying a lamborghini and it being limited to 100 miles an hour so the Toyota driver does not feel slow. F off!!!!

[@the_babbleboom]

so nice to see the good old HUD... oh well, everything has to turn to shit at some point, dont it.

[@InTVS]

my advice its simple, don't get attach to any ship and know that EVERY ship will get nerf for the new big shiny ship, so just buy the ship, and once the new meta comes, just melted it and buy the new meta with old money, dont CCU, because thats where they get you, CCU and prices, thats where they get you

[@innominatecitizen]

Well said!

[@SC-gg1cp]

The bottom guns were always meant for the second seat.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

At 4:00 that basically highlights the problem: ignorant people thinking their fun overrides CIG's vision and the intended development goals. People really need to understand that this is alpha -- this is literally testing. That is it. Anything you pledge for is subject to change as new systems come online and new balance passes are made. No one should be "buying" ships to be some dominate force in the verse soloing a multi-crew ship in a broken alpha with mostly non-functioning AI until server meshing is in. The fact people are up in arms about an incomplete game running a balance pass on an overpowered ship in an alpha build missing half the intended ship functionalities (i.e., engineering, armour, flight control surfaces) says a lot more about the people whining than it does about CIG. It's also ridiculous that the Corsair can still easily do ERTs solo, yet people are complaining because they can't do ERTs as quickly or as easily... solo.... like seriously? I have zero respect for the complainers here.

[@GalacticAbsurdity]

The Corsair is not a fighter, this is the entire point. Each ship in it's own area. CIG is making the correct calls here! Anything above Size 3 guns are very powerfull. It was said from the start, the multicrew ships are not for solo dominance. The Constallations are quite heavy too, cause they are not solo ships. Remember, once we get armor these ships will be very hard to shoot down. "Untill we meet again!"

[@jhgvksaw3175]

What you mean RİP ? This ship mean to be a explorer not fighter lmao also its still too powerful for exploration class lol it needs more nerfs

[@IamAlpharius30k]

they need to stop nerfing untill all of the game mechanics with ships are in they just wasting time and player good will at this point

[@IamAlpharius30k]

well you can just throw the corsair in the trash it was one of my favorites i ccued it way before it got nerfed but i was thinking of buying another one or getting it in game but i guess i wont be doing either its a dead ship in my eyes

[@innominatecitizen]

I hear you.

[@vonrosphe3098]

I have a Taurus and a Corsair. The Corsair i prefered a bit more. But with the change the Taurus is superior is so many ways. The Corsair only has a fuel advantage. Bye bye Corsair.