Star Citizen's 3.24 Evo Patch Breakdown

[@SaltEMike]

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[@whowhowhowhowhowho8139]

5 hs (?)

[@reginadea2821]

I love puns as much as the next person, but I'm very sorry you had to say "manvironments". XD

[@L-vs7fp]

Mike if you don't own one yet, the handyman is the best shaver / trimmer I've ever bought in my life hands down.

[@Velthus]

All I'm gonna say is... if they don't get that search function in for cargo/inventory in live, I'm gonna be real sad. We already fought them on this the first time inventory came out.. I don't want to fight them a second time for something that should be a basic feature.

[@SaltEMike]

I honestly forgot to look, lemme look back at my recording: Yep there is none.

[@Velthus]

​@SaltEMike Yeah it ain't there. It's the first thing I went looking for. Hopefully it'll make it in before live but.. prior history tells me it won't and got forgotten about. We'll see. Still enjoyed the rest of the cargo stuff but that stuck out for me - it's gonna make sorting through a bunch of items a real pain in the ass.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Search functionality won't come in until they get the database stable. Search functionality is an extremely stressful process on databases. Don't expect to see it until 4.0.

[@eavdmeer]

Things like search and sorting thing alphabetically hasn't quite reached CIG developers yet 😂 Nikax or whatever it's called also doesn't have search. Effectively, that makes it almost entirely unusable

[@Velthus]

@@Billy-bc8pk It's already calling all the objects you have displayed the second you open the terminal. Narrowing down the results from information that's already been loaded from DB and displayed to you should not add more of a strain than it did when it originally called all the items in the first place because at that point all you're doing is excluding information. It shouldn't then be doing another DB call just to narrow it down. It makes no sense.

[@hIGH_aND_mIGHTY]

Was wondering if you would get a video out tonight. Up late tonight. Thanks for posting

[@SaltEMike]

I tested the entire time, I feel like many other videos were looking to get out quick. I did as much as I could.

[@hIGH_aND_mIGHTY]

@SaltEMike much appreciated. As a backer whose biggest ship, not in concept, is a corsair. I've been wanting to know if loaners count towards hangar size.

[@pjn931]

dope evo update, your energy says a lot about this test. thanks

[@Voyacan]

As much as my monkey brain dislikes CIG pushing back features and renaming updates, I'm glad they're doing cargo elevators justice so far. You know its looking good when SaltEMike isn't verbally ripping it to shreds lol!

[@melandor0]

Brotha it's an Evo build what about it is it that you're unhappy with?​@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis

[@tlap1508]

@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis but they are not. Its EVO, not LIVE build. If they will release it without full functionality to LIVE, than, i would agree.

[@Zeocins]

@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis Sadly, it is responses like this which is why EVO keeps having to be under various levels NDAs. EVO is a patch work of specific feature testing, not the full patch. Can't say anything for sure about what will or won't make it into the patch until late stage PTU.

[@hauskins9516]

Saltemike is like paid opposition, says basic complaints about SC the. Goes on to praise it Everytime. I enjoy the content but it feels contrived. Just saying.

[@l6gaming]

CIG already have said that tractor beams will be changed!! the Pyro one will be for up to 4 scu, the big one up to 16 and you will need a vehicle for bigger...........was posted a while ago, and we really need an update.

[@karakiri283]

Please, no. That will just make things more complicated for the sake of making things more complicated...

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

If the timers are this high, cargo prices need to also see a hike. Which will benefit both traders/space truckers. And also Pirates.

[@Matt-sf9ky]

But if gameplay makes you money why would you spend real cash on ships?

[@jax2729]

Ehh to extent I think they are kinda high now, what is gonna give value to cargo is cargo missions. Just raising the value well casue an imbalance. We can’t make a mill so easy, should take time.

[@JamiesPaige]

High timers are a no go for me. This would completely limit me playing anything cargo. Loading 1000+scu by hand sounds okay if there were 100scu containers movable with a hand tractor beam.

[@fajarn7052]

I hope it get reduced, 5 hours would be bonkers. Make the credits get paid after it finishes loading, then it would be kinda fine. Imagine waiting 5 hours and got server error. Can you confirm that the hangar would be 'persistent' if we leave our ship autoreloading and go do some bunker mission? Or something to that effect, when we return did it persist even after the instances streamed out? Anyway, great update, Mike!

[@Matt-sf9ky]

Sounds like prison all over again. Five hour wait? Guess I'll log out and go play something else. Maybe I'll remember I have cargo to fly in a day or two.

[@TylerSL92]

@@Matt-sf9kyyup. If the gameplay makes you want to log out and play another game for 5 hours they’ve messed up. I think their goal is for you to do something ELSE while waiting 5 hours. Maybe go do bounties or mining with another ship. But if you don’t want to do that and just run cargo, yeah your whole night is blown by the cargo timer I like the idea of moving things but this all seems like additional steps with no real reason. Currently you land, store and sell. Now you have to land, manually unload all your boxes to another part of the hangar, then go sell. It doesn’t really add anything other than “gameplay”

[@MikePhilbin1966]

Remember that phrase from Terry Gilliam's excellent film BRAZIL, namely, "My complication got a complication."

[@ryeaye2278]

What a great movie tbfh

[@sinepilot]

DeNiro's best role

[@stevenflaton2693]

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 so awesome to hear about these things. I can’t wait for it to hit the live. This is something I’ve been anticipating for quite some time! (:

[@FGI-kz1bd]

Cheers Mike great vid buddy .

[@TermiteDave]

Great job Mike! Thanks for your late night work!!!

[@RN1441]

Thanks for checking this out for us. I'm hoping that these changes will make it a lot easier to play together with friends but time will tell.

[@Ogata123]

So far its increasing prep time, so no

[@GeorgeHofmann2]

Thanks for the report SaltEMike

[@ctzn3lack]

looking forward to it! this with the server meshing tech preview i got to try have me really excited for the eventual release of 4.0

[@MultiFishslayer]

yes finally a report on hangars. Your excitement has me excited. I haven't felt excited about the game in a long time. Thanks Mike!

[@Pappy_1775]

This is one of the better Evo's I've seen (Evo since Sept 2021). This makes sense because they tried to have this ready by 3.23. Can you imagine if they did release it with 3.23? I had very few bugs, a good test all in all.

[@MineyM0]

Thank you for the video Mike - first thing I watched this morning w/ my coffee. Exciting times - can't wait to check it out

[@jameskelsey1911]

Thanks!

[@Rednec_Patriot]

Thanks so much for the info Mike! I haven played 3.23 cause Im waiting for this and youre getting me excited for it!

[@elliothahn1155]

Great thumbnail Mike lmao 🤣 Glad to hear the patch has more good things going for it than bad!

[@josephhighfill4371]

Thankyou for covering.

[@colonel__klink7548]

The trolley thing is interesting because the way i handle looted cargo / bodies ect in the game at present is I grab one box at a time and move them the max distance i can with the tractor. set it down / stop it there in space and then move the next thing till i have a cluster moved forward and then i go forward and do the next leg. The trolley seems like a less frustrating way of doing that. Especially because you could probably leave the crates off it and use it as a trolley for bodies from outdoor FPS combat locations lmao.

[@janschmid281]

So will pers. hangars just be gifted to you based on your biggest ship, that just get bigger when you buy a bigger ship, or do you have to buy the hangars and buy the size upgrades for it?

[@CalamityStarForce]

I like when you sniffed the bottle and nodded in the ad. Great salesmanship.

[@mrlucifure8872]

so if i understand you wil now manualy unload your vehicle. if so how will i unload a carrack if the side cargo doors wont open.

[@GuilhermeLPC]

You can also auto-load it for a higher price, at least that's whats planned

[@4mazingZarek]

Thought of something with the levitating cargo carriers. If we can put it in our ships, we can use SCUs of boxes or even furniture as cover, then while one guy pushes it, 4 or 5 people get on it with weapons and shoot all bad guys. This could make clearing Distribution centers Very fun, funny and interesting. You can now basicaly do a Drive by in Star Citizen.

[@akiodono]

You can hear the excitment in Mikes voice even with some of the bad stuff. Mike you have me hella excited now for this patch.

[@cdkraft]

What is the ship at 3:58? That isn't a C1 Spirit is it?

[@DupreeHD]

So essentially if you have a Carrack (not me) and plan on using it for cargo hauling now, you’re essentially locked out of using it. Or any cargo ship whose doors don’t work. Waiting 5 hours is pretty nuts lol

[@mrlucifure8872]

:(

[@RN1441]

One step forward, two steps back for some ships, but hey here's a new concept sale due out 2033.

[@lukeperman7964]

Have to assume the times are placeholder and will be updated /balanced

[@mndeg]

not true. autoloading is a thing

[@TheBod76]

@@mndeg he said "essentially locked out" and even stated the reason: 5 hours wait time for autoloading. So yes what he said is absolutely true!

[@Tainted-Soul]

Cool Yes and working wow but 5 hours. they ware pushing self loading so much. how long would it take you to load a fatapillar by hand ?

[@The_Real_bubbazaneti]

Big ThanX for keeping us in the loop @SaltEMike What scares the crap out of me, is the time sink on time sink in relation to now having to use these consoles to get equipment, armor, weapons etc. If this is not working when CIG releases this into the PU, it will be even more time sink and waste of time playing! As if this game did not already have enough time sinks! Anyhow! lets cross our finger and take a biiiiig Hopium dose to keep being High! Cheers! and I hope you got some Zzzzzleep!

[@Sarsour_]

Very exciting update!

[@amtheagent6495]

Great overview Salt, much appreciated!

[@rustled_nuggets1192]

I'd love for CIG to fix the issue with the Overlord's gauntlets clipping through the comms panel

[@coreyh2296]

Lol YES dude

[@DaPoets]

Got the notification that it EVO was live as I was leaving for DnD and it was over when I got back lol

[@sinepilot]

12:38 This is the first I've heard Night Vision is actually happening(!)

[@everettumphrey]

Thanks, SaltEMike. I heard your Cat meowing @ 7:58. How is your Kitty doing? As for what others mentioned below. The search function I guess won't show up until later. What if they disable the hand tractor beam where Cargo Trollys are available? I hope you can work with it along with the Trollys.

[@Redrabbit_studios]

Very informative great video🙃

[@tommeegunn9318]

Thank you for the great info. Hope you had a good kip eventualy :)

[@Rooskiy]

Finally. Been waiting for this for months

[@Revster]

I’m not super excited by what I’ve read about player gear with the new storage system Having to drag one item at a time over to the dispenser then getting the menu to equip the item sounds awful and apparently you can’t just drop stuff, it’s an evocative build but that sounds like something they need to fix Plus cargo gets the option to just pay and automatically load your stuff, why didn’t they just do that for player items 🤦‍♂️

[@buggy6737]

Thanks for the late night update Mike

[@aennaenn7468]

Just curious if XL concept ships count toward the "largest owned" ship for the purposes of hangar assignment, or if its only flight ready largest owned...

[@SaltEMike]

Flight ready, good question actually

[@YossiSaydoff]

@SaltEMike I have the "Ironclad," and the loaner is the "Caterpillar". Do you know of any valid source that clarify whether the hangar size assignment takes the loaner ship into account?

[@reigh_leigh]

Awesome. So excited to get in to it

[@cblamo]

Any idea if they added turrets or spawn closets to the small outposts to help protect people from other trying to steal their shit while the cargo elevator/ship is open for transfer? We kind of need something there to help defend us I reckon.

[@IAmKlagg]

How will claiming your ship at another location work? Storage in ships will also be persistent right? So put a gun down in ship, store ship, spawn ship, gun remains in ship. What happens if you do a claim at another station? Does the ship claim also bring the gun you put down? if yes will this work the same with cargo?

[@DinSolo-AStarCitizen]

How does this work with selling items from City inventory, does it remain the same?

[@AnthonySatter]

I can see the tractor beam guns having to use batteries in the future. You need the trollies unless you want to use up all your batteries.

[@opaaaaaaaaaa]

Hopefully they add being able to spawn your ship in another person's hangar soon...not just for friends but it also opens up the possibility to sell cargo to other players which will be an amazing feature for the game. Smuggle a bunch of weevle eggs into your hangar and then sell them at a reduced price to someone willing to risk the trip to sell them etc.

[@opaaaaaaaaaa]

Ah just remembered that you can send cargo down the elevator in someone else ls hangar....so in the meantime you could sell cargo to others by calling it up and then the buyer sends it down into their own storage. Obviously being able to call a ship in another's hangar will be nice but not a blocker for selling as I thought

[@Datawarlock]

love that ED inspired ship elevator. Will look good with the stolen EVE Ven... err Vulture.

[@benlee8225]

fun thing is venture or the model was actually Cigs design and EVE ceo basicly asked if they could use it and chris allowed it.

[@ajc200x]

youve earned my sub, recently ive enjoyed your incites.

[@shd_samurai9676]

>crash >tresspass in your own hangar Knowing CIG's track record, this bug WILL make it into LIVE.

[@schlagzahne6741]

Do we think the limit on hangars at an area has something to do with limited server space dedicated to an evocati test?

[@shckr17]

How would flying a Mole to the space station and selling quantanium work? Will I have to unload the bags in the hanger or would I still store the ship?

[@SaltEMike]

don’t know yet, patch wasnt stable enough

[@GainDamage]

2:57 face flash was creepy, lol. overall i gotta say, i don't have any opinion on the upcoming features yet. we'll see how they feel/play soon enough :)

[@IAmKlagg]

Are the cargo trolleys definitely slower than the tractor beam? Wouldn't tractor beam require you to run back and forth between ship and elevator? I feel like they could be quite equal when moving a bunch of items onto cargo trolley > moving cargo > removing cargo from trolley VS moving via tractor beam one at a time. Especially when considering future uses of cargo trolley where you could be moving further distances, it would definitely not be efficient to use only the tractor beam as you would have to walk that distance for each cargo container one at a time.

[@Damaboo1]

Thank you!

[@honoryhonra]

What are the updates on stations cargo, like the Hull C, did they fix the issues?

[@SaltEMike]

Wasn’t stable enough to make it to a station

[@HaroldPalmerYT]

This was really interesting thanks for making this!

[@aglandorf75]

What about loading vehicle in ship inside the Hangar?

[@petr7614]

What hapens when steal a ship and load its cargo to the hangar elevator?

[@1nc0gn3to1]

Nice one. I'm excited

[@nikkothegoblin]

Waiting an extra subpatch cycle for these features has sucked but I gotta say I'm not just impressed but excited. For a first patch the issues seem pretty fixable by live. Really interested to see the new missions and how all these changes will interact with the greater PU and affect the feeling/economy.

[@Spidder81]

I only got a quick half hour, then it disconnected and just couldnt get back in. Constant 30k trying to log in to servers night vision should be through the helmets when on foot, not scopes

[@bigfoot9049]

I would say both to an extent, like combat helmets should have nv but also nv scopes I feel will always be a thing and allows for a lesser version of nv should you not have a combat helmet.

[@Spidder81]

@@bigfoot9049 agreed

[@UnderdogSMO]

Depends do you consider a need for a Battary a nerf to tractor beems?

[@realnerdethan]

I know you said you can't with ships, but I wonder if you can call a ground vehicle you own into a party member's hanger.

[@SaltEMike]

Nah same issue

[@vik12D]

Is the large Revel York and extra large VFG?

[@SaltEMike]

It’s based on location not size. Lorville and A18 were selfland and VFG was Crusader and Microtech

[@vik12D]

@SaltEMike Looks like I'll still be living in New Babbage then. I like to take the nick nacks from the apartments there to decorate.

[@sinepilot]

I'm not worried about current autoloading times, CIG frequently nerfs or buffs certain things precisely to encourage us to engage in the behavior they're trying to test. Like making Salvage so lucrative right when it was released. Right now they want us to be testing manual loading, not so much autoloading.

[@-NateTheGreat]

I love the thumb nail Mike

[@panakajack1525]

So my biggest bought ship is a Corsair. What size hangar would I get?

[@SaltEMike]

Large most likely, hard to tell when you have an XL. I was getting random sizes and I dont own a corsair. But most likely large. Also a little hint, buy something XL for in game money and you might get an XL...in .24

[@panakajack1525]

​@@SaltEMike Hohooo... INTERESTING.

[@ninthhelltv987]

great video ty

[@Katastra_]

7:55 i wonder if they set them so long to "encourage" players to load manually

[@omnipresencetv8929]

Maybe make the elevator take you to your hanger on a key swipe and who ever swipes their key will take the lift to the location then get rid of the asop area terminals only have your hanger one and when you request take off if all hangers that match your size will que up and the doors open when you're instanced to the world again. Then you get the illusion of a star port having more hangers because everyone can just launch and doesn't matter how many are in the lobby which really needs social activities like arcade html5 mini games a juke box and so on the lifts needed and accessing another player's hanger can only be done if the owner scans their accsess key, be interesting to see this part evolve but i really want flora fauna and harvesters

[@buschmaster4600]

5 HOURS?! WTF! That absolutely needs to change or the payout for cargo missions better be huge.

[@NeroSurvives]

So how will cargo loading for us hull C enjoyers?

[@yous2244]

Can you spawn vehicles from the cargo elevators?

[@BlazeBlevinspace]

Polaris owners get the massive hangar sweet.

[@sixflags_9408]

Funfact. in germany we would call you salziger Michl.

[@essentialasa]

I think they are just missing a simple line in cargo math. They obviously have a number for how long it takes to load 1SCU so they just need to divide that total time by the box size to get the final loading time. Should be an easy adjustment. 672 SCU @ 1 SCU ~ 5 hrs 40 mins 672 SCU @ 32 SCU ~ 10 mins My guess is they figure 2 - 1 SCU boxes per minute

[@Schwing27]

Video starts at @2:10

[@SaltEMike]

There are chapters…

[@Schwing27]

@@SaltEMikedidn’t see that until now. My bad. I usually don’t read the descriptions

[@Versusunbias]

How will this patch affect the Hull-C cargo aspect?

[@SaltEMike]

Hard to say without stability…hopefully tonight I can let you know

[@Versusunbias]

@@SaltEMike I look forward to it! Thank you

[@littlefoot2869]

wonder if size based largest ship have now or largest ship that you bought but for some reason it still not in the game

[@SaltEMike]

I can only speak for this test. Whatever was the largest ship you have, not just real money determines hangar size. So for this test in game purchases counted.

[@Ashmodai]

Can't wait... This will be huge!

[@whowhowhowhowhowho8139]

New Outpost elevators work ok but, are the new outpost working? Did server meshing test made AI 3X more responsive so new outpost gameplay is descent now?

[@jaykay5838]

If there is an Intruder , will the armstice be temporarily lifted to defend you property?

[@SaltEMike]

Maybe but not yet.

[@bhee1076]

Do the hangers take the largest ship i paid for with real money. For example i own a F8c lighting for real money, and in game i own a star runner for auec Will it let me spawn the star runner?

[@SaltEMike]

we won’t know on live, but in this PTU…it was based on UEC ships too

[@kevinm3751]

O yea, I have always wanted to work in an Amazon fulfillment center and now it looks like I can and I wonder if I will get paid for all the overtime I will be forced to work?

[@tandemedge9433]

I just don't understand how cargo will work well at destination sites as multiple players may be trying to move stuff off or onto the same elevator

[@tunafish4557]

There is some controversy about freight elevators and if they are in persistant hangers or not, alot of people are freaking out because personel hanger size is based off of pledge ships not ships earned in game.

[@mayoluck]

Well buy a bigger ship with real money-CIG

[@Wfdnelson]

so wait, we only have SCU storage at our home location and the cargo elevators on different space stations give us nothing? and the only at our home location isn't upgradeable in any sense or the word?

[@SaltEMike]

I couldn’t make it to a different station…again evo, so we will be able to store at stations is my guess but can’t 100% confirm without trying.

[@IndrasilDesignStudio]

What's with the faces popping up for a split-second every other transition? Is it intentional or an editing mistake?

[@BernhardMarchhart]

5 hr is better only for EVO The causual with money is not a second live player. This "X" SCU per Hanger means all inventory or only cargo space or is this the elevator size?

[@KaryudoDS]

The 5 hours sounds like a typo. I feel like it should be longer than it'd take you solo but that just seems weirdly long, but also it not scaling to the number of boxes is weirder. So it sounds like they just put numbers in for the moment.

[@SaltEMike]

It’s not it’s just a thrown in number 30s per SCU box size is not taken into account.

[@KaryudoDS]

@@SaltEMike Yeah if loading the big boxes is that close to loading the small boxes that seems like a strange choice.

[@TrademarkMediaTM]

Hangar size being based on just what you pledge for is stupid. Outside of my vulture I am trying to only pledge for ships you can't get in game. So because I have over $800 of small ships, I get small hangars even though I own a Phoenix in game.

[@CoffinStuffer777]

If it hasn't already been said, can somebody attempt bed logging in their hangar? Maybe they lifted the armastice restrictions and it would save so much time!

[@StarshipCaptainNemo]

Great, thanks. Have a good sleep ;)

[@Embarkation1]

Thanks.

[@kookiespace]

Well this is a fun thing to wake up to :3