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@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
XboxViewTV Don’t Change it, but this video is so old, we all thought the future Xbox would called the “Xbox 720”. Love!
@pratyushchakraborty75292 жыл бұрын
10 yrs... That's right an entire Decade passed and I feel nostalgic seeing this again in my recommended.
@cheezeyman97064 жыл бұрын
I remember back when this trailer got me excited for a new game to come out...
@lunamaria10482 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@bjornjoseph Жыл бұрын
still waiting huh?
@Nagrachlp Жыл бұрын
Especially a completly different game from what it is now...
@ranishkA12327 күн бұрын
Release date in a few days for CitizenCon 2954! :D
@imperatormeth Жыл бұрын
We held the line!
@herrlogan17 Жыл бұрын
9 years after the trailer really give hopes seeing Sq 42 full release :) :)
@rh72016 жыл бұрын
Given this video, i believe Mr. Roberts is able to remake Wing Commander 1 & 2 and all their expansions. Without multiplayer aspects, i think those games still have their charm.
@damonos5 жыл бұрын
this game is like Yeti, you know he's out there somewhere, but nobody has ever seen him.
@Pancake6995 жыл бұрын
you deserve more likes dude
@fsttrdl5 жыл бұрын
Perfect fucking description. A yeti that is always coming but never arrives.
@MisterKatoxX Жыл бұрын
When this trailer came out I was 16 years old, now I'm 27, at this rate my children will play it.
@DocHellfish Жыл бұрын
Maybe.. lol
@maxron6514 Жыл бұрын
Original backer when I was 27 and now I’m fucking 38.
@user-dp1bf3eg8j Жыл бұрын
no not your child, you and your child together!
@aclock2 Жыл бұрын
@@DocHellfish It's not a may be lol. I think it will take at least 6-7 more years of development, so if he had kid now, it will be in time for the released version.
@jmoney2568 Жыл бұрын
Same here. It's been a terrible decade. I can't believe how kind blowing frustrating star citizen is these days. Honesty it's disgusting.
@BlackBullRising5 жыл бұрын
Amazing use of the Battleship score.
@rgerber2 жыл бұрын
Star Citizen/ Squadron 42 is gonna be epic. But if there was a game just like THIS. That would be absolutely awesome. It is soooo much more Wing Commander style
@surject2 жыл бұрын
..and the reason I pledged in 2013.
@MGRracing Жыл бұрын
The carrier has a certain 'Tiger Claw' vibe to it and the fighter looks a little like a wing commander 1 ship
@Shadowwalker171711 жыл бұрын
so many physical ways, so much things are possible and you come with something like this, did you ever Science ?
@beefyoso4 жыл бұрын
my grandkids are going to love this game.
@theboard75127 жыл бұрын
The music is pretty epic.
@albertogomezherrera99827 жыл бұрын
In case you are interested, from 1:51 on, it's "The Art of war" from the OST of Battleship (I cant see any mention of it anywhere, and I believe it should have been done).
@foxnov40006 жыл бұрын
@@albertogomezherrera9982 I knew it. No wonder I feel familiar while listening to this.
@hammerhead8318 Жыл бұрын
Love the reference to wc1 and wc2 launch sequence
@AverageArtz12 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm absolutely gonna get a copy of this when this comes out for xbox.
@MGRracing Жыл бұрын
Which xbox though is the question 😅 . Xbox one hundred X 😅
@Hiigaranwarrior15912 жыл бұрын
I do believe that this game has the potential to be a masterpiece, I remember playing the original Wing Commander. Good times, good times.
@halsilvaesilva25072 жыл бұрын
2022, nothing has changed
@jesusfranco Жыл бұрын
@@halsilvaesilva2507 Yeah... it's "all potential". Nothing more.
@salamandastron908 жыл бұрын
I always wonder why carriers in sci-fi games never have an escort or have any sort of combat air patrol in their local area. Unless they are so damn confident in their point defense weapons.
@danieladamczyk40247 жыл бұрын
Becouse they have?
@kyle189347 жыл бұрын
they may consider fighters and other craft as our military consider ground units. so this could be considered as a heavy transport/assault craft. I agree with you though I would want some frigates or smaller heavier crafts for defense of such a vessel.
@Archadies7 жыл бұрын
I want to know why 2 fighters though they could take out a cap ship...
@kyle189347 жыл бұрын
Thats a good question, but those missiles of the hostile craft looked a bit nasty. My question is why that ship doesn't have anti aircraft guns. The guns look like ship to ship guns and not anti small craft guns. I would expect bullets everywhere coming out of that ship not just a few big shots.
@kyle189347 жыл бұрын
Oh and dont forget the third fighter that was there, he feels a bit left out. lol
@devthecanadian7754 жыл бұрын
Wow this did not age well, happy it looks much better now.
@ironman983 жыл бұрын
For sure
@Zeithri3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if this game had stayed as a Wing Commander game.
@BierzeItboxer2 жыл бұрын
It would most likely have been released years ago...
@Exav22 жыл бұрын
@@BierzeItboxer and would be boring after the second play through. I sincerely hope they don't make a second SQ42 and focus on the PU instead. Thing is a massive time sink for a very small return. (only so many times you can replay a story mode).
@thegreenreaper66602 жыл бұрын
The Wing Commander lore is still pretty popular. I dont understand why thóse games were never revamped on modern engines. Wit hthe Graphical prowess nowadays, those games would be mind-blowing? A couple years ago the WC-community took it upon themselves to release a 'new WC-game', based on the Freespace Engine: Wing Commander Saga - the Darkest Dawn. A 55-mission game, which occurs during the same period as WC 3: Heart of the Tiger. Yet this is the story of the TCS Hermes, a frontline Carrier and its battlegroup, in the very thickest of it all, fighting some of thé hardest battles in the entire climax of the Kilrathi War. You play as a rookie pilot, David Markham, who barely finished his flight-training on the TCS Wellington, a Yorktown-class light Carrier(like the TCS Victory?), in the prologue of the game. As you evolve through the game, you fly a huge variety of spacecraft: the Hellcat, the Arrow, the Thunderbolt, the Longbow, and yes the legendary Excalibur! The buildup, the story, and the grand-finale are very good, and despite the graphics being a bit outdated, its a Free to Play download, and it is quite the experience. And as far as i know, this F2P release, developed by the community itself, is pretty popular. I'd name it, without any doubt, a real Wing Commander game! There's even a few good easter eggs, and 'confirmation', as you get to fly a mission to rendezvous the TCS Victory with the Fleet, and a mission with Hawk and Panther! Also the very last Confederation Class Dreadnought: the TCS Armageddon, a sistership of the Concordia...and more! If you liked the WC-games, and the lore, you're going to love WC Saga: The Darkest Dawn! Imho just shows how much love this lore still gets, and what Chris Roberts has been missing out on in developing this magnificent story and franchise by 'putting all his eggs into one little basket, with no backup'; the Star Citizen project thats been... too long awaited now? 10 years?...cmon.
@DennisBLee2 жыл бұрын
@@thegreenreaper6660 Thanks for mentioning WC Saga. I wouldn't have known about it if not for you. I will give it a try! I've recently been struck with an overwhelming sense of nostalgia for the original Wing Commander games. I remember feeling just unbridled joy and excitement while playing those games as a child and being completely captivated by the narrative. Damn EA for murdering every franchise it ever got its hands on, but hopefully Saga and SC PU will hold me over until Squadron 42 comes out!
@thegreenreaper66602 жыл бұрын
@@DennisBLee Despite WC-Saga running on an older FS2 Engine, and the technology is a bit dated, its a pretty good game, dibs to the developers for that. It only 'misses' the famous WC-cutscenes then, but thats purely because it was developed by the community and not a gamedeveloper with a big studio and budget. Strangely enough, if you're playing it, it's actually a REAL Wing Commander-game! I'm sure that when you play it, you'll be right into it and experience the same. The whole story holds place during WC3 Heart of the Tiger, but it tells the story of Confed's most fabled carrier: the tCS Hermes, which is in the very thickest of the war during its climax: right there on the forefront, ditching it out with some of the most hardened Kilrathi battlegroups: a real Heroes story! Totally NOT in the shadow of Christopher Blair, in fact, if you've completed the game, you'll see how important the intense fighting of the Hermes' battlegroup has been to the war, and how Blair actually 'only' played 1 part in a vást tactical development, it was the Hermes that fought the hardest battles, it was the Hermes that suffered unimaginable losses, it was the Hermes that fought and won the most vital encounters... So, fabled and celebrated as Blair is, it was actually the Hermes that won the war! I found it a stunning experience, a very good story, and thus, a véry good game! If you like Wing Commander, WC Saga: the Darkest Dawn is an absolute must to play! It gives not only a different perspective of the climax of the Kilrathi war, it fills in a few important blanks in the whole ordeal!
@paulquirk33975 жыл бұрын
Seven years.
@circusmime5 жыл бұрын
Ya for real
@wowathena6 жыл бұрын
damn, this gave me some "Space above and beyond" flashbacks xD
@JasonAguirre4 жыл бұрын
Attacking that beast with a handful of fighters? What kind of crazy does that take?
@MaelstromExceptions4 жыл бұрын
Even after 7 years later, still amazing. A+
@whiskeyfur7 жыл бұрын
I think it's funny that the advertising that came up before this video was for elite dangerous. :)
@resistancebomber9777 жыл бұрын
I like those good guy fighters. They look badass
@SargeRho11 жыл бұрын
"Do you really need a theoretical explanation for everything to suspend disbelief?" YES.
@MrJay_White8 жыл бұрын
gets a star citezen advert to watch a star citeven advert. close enough i guess
@henlo52577 жыл бұрын
Mr Jay White citezen
@henlo52577 жыл бұрын
Mr Jay White citeven
@DullerZeus11 жыл бұрын
Oh. My. God. I need this.
@S-Asker3 жыл бұрын
Soooo, how have these past 7 years felt? ^^
@DullerZeus3 жыл бұрын
@@S-Asker absolutely long; and still waiting
@The_Only_Noble2 ай бұрын
I forgot about this video!
@vonkrugermedia32495 жыл бұрын
Well...maybe my kids, kids, will eventually get to play it...
@Vondoodle Жыл бұрын
I cant wait for this to be released
@TomH26812 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this trailer with my wife when she was pregnant with my son. He's now in 4th grade and the game still isn't close to release...
@jesusfranco Жыл бұрын
Don't worry. The good side is you will play in co-op with your own son!! That's better than what you expected in the beginning!! (well, maybe with your grandson... how knows)
@Gist4326 жыл бұрын
I remember The Attack of the Three Fighters... it was our finest hour.
@SWskywalker9910 жыл бұрын
I love how X-box TV is showcasing a game whose developer (accurately) calls consoles restrictive and hard to work with. PC FTW!
@jakubmike56574 жыл бұрын
@brutus brutalis After 5 years...kind of a low blow dude
@lunamaria10484 жыл бұрын
People here are confusing Squadron 42 for Star Citizen... At the beginning of the current console generation, Chris Roberts said from the start that he won't rule out a console release, but he won't do it if he has to dumb down the game.. However that was for Star Citizen, and was said at the beginning of the life of PS4 and Xbox One so with those consoles in mind.. On the other hand, Squadron 42 is a single player game and will definitely release on next gen consoles, PS5 and Xbox Series X, or maybe Xbox will use their infinitely deep pockets to get timed exclusive, or exclusive rights (that wouldn't surprise me because Squadron 42 would be a console seller)... As for saying it won't release.. The only people who say that just can't afford a gaming PC powerful enough to run SC so are salty..
@monkeybubba15264 жыл бұрын
@brutus brutalis I don't even care that the game ever gets finished, as long as it's fun.
@monkeybubba15264 жыл бұрын
@brutus brutalis Alright how much money?
@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
brutus brutalis Chris Roberts is an established game developer with some EXCELLENT titles under his belt before the beginning of Cloud Imperium Games and Star Citizen. He’s got studios around the world, thousands of staff working on both games and tens of thousands of dedicated gamers currently playing, streaming and big testing everyday. CIG and by extension RSI have just fought off a lawsuit from CryTek, the studios behind the Crysis series, and that was based around Squadron 42. With the legal worries gone, and the financial expenditure of lawyers fighting to protect the game wrapping up, Chris Roberts can now actually talk about a genuine release for SQ42. It might not be beta’ing in the 4th Quarter 2020, but I reckoned it would be done and dusted by Q2 2021. Of course, this was all before COVID-19 showed it’s ugly Chinese head.
@asda32923 жыл бұрын
Music and vidio fantastic muahc
@borislvovsky4 жыл бұрын
WOW... 7 years have passed! Can't wait for 'Star Citizen 2'... oh...
@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
Eh, it's getting there, slowly.
@albert89974 жыл бұрын
see you in next 7 years :P
@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
Albert I mean, GTA V, RDR2. How long were they in production for?
@albert89974 жыл бұрын
@@smoketinytom 3 years max. Everyone thinking about them for 7-8 years but in production? 3 years max.
@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
Albert Yeah, from a staff of thousands, massive resources to draw from and an experienced team from the get go. When Chris Roberts started out Star Citizen, he was in one office and probably a dozen devs. Now they’re in 4 Offices spread on 3 Continents and hundreds of staff now. But for 3-4 years they were a small business. So 7-8 years in Development for a massive company like Rockstar is a lot of work. 7-8 Years from Star Citizen, SQ42 and CIG, that was founded in 2010 and they’ve grown into what they are today is impressive considering they’re working on one game.
@purefoldnz3070 Жыл бұрын
TEN YEARS LATER...
@BaconSpaceProgram Жыл бұрын
10 years later... Went on to play Starfield and loving it :P
@ksl-98810 ай бұрын
lol I'm sorry.
@MDUmairKh11 жыл бұрын
It's good thing that this channel also helped in spreading word about his game and it's funding at RSI site even though they realize that it's PC only as these words in description tell , "PLATFORM: PC" . However the funny thing is below those words , that is "ALSO ON: Maybe later on Xbox 720 and PS4" .
@spartanMN30010 жыл бұрын
X-box 720?
@gastiresoil975810 ай бұрын
Hey guys, I’m from the future… nah.
@stewhv94 Жыл бұрын
I was 15. I saw this trailer and put 60 of my hard earned summer dollars toward this game. I'm now 28, nearly 29, and to this day I have never regretted a game purchase more than this one. Thank god No Man's Sky exists.
@jesusfranco3 жыл бұрын
8 years later... WE HAVE NOTHING.
@ironman983 жыл бұрын
Duke Nukem Forever literally took... Forever. I'd say we're doing just fine. At least we have Star Citizen.
@jesusfranco3 жыл бұрын
@@ironman98 Duke Nukem Forever didn't charge money to their users before having "Nothing". Star Citizen it's not only winning money being "nothing" but a lot of money.
@eddiegaltek3 жыл бұрын
"WE HAVE NOTHING." Really? NOTHING? Are you seriously trying to say that over the past 8 years CIG has not produced anything of Star Citizen? There is literally hundreds of thousands of hours of Star Citizen game play on KZbin.
@jesusfranco3 жыл бұрын
@@eddiegaltek Squadron 42 is NOTHING.
@eddiegaltek3 жыл бұрын
When it first went into crowd funding everyone demanded that CIG concentrate on Star Citizen; so they have.
@上田Uえだ4 жыл бұрын
Elaborate texture is COOL !
@benrussell-gough120110 жыл бұрын
Wing Commander is back!
@albert89974 жыл бұрын
@Holzkopf Baumfaust and not yet too=))
@SeekerLancer4 жыл бұрын
Still waiting.
@nineballmk23 жыл бұрын
this has not aged well
@templarknight74542 жыл бұрын
Great trailer
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
They're for capturing particles that can be converted to fuel when flying through nebulae.
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
Good for you, happiness is important in this day and age. Have a nice day.
@Sliferzero4 жыл бұрын
That Fucking Coolest my friends. Thanks.
@madcapmagician31304 жыл бұрын
Still waiting 2020
@madcapmagician3130 Жыл бұрын
2023.
@atlas73094 жыл бұрын
I feel a bit like if the graphics had just stayed at this level the game would be a lot further along. On the other hand I think the development has to have a different bottleneck for not being further along with the absolute insane amount of funding.
@aclock2 Жыл бұрын
The graphic can be upgraded along the way, the current technology has allowed it.
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
This trailer is for Squadron 42, the singleplayer campaign where you play a pilot in the UEE Navy fleet. In the multiplayer part you can crew any ship you want, including the huge carrier you see in this trailer, although you'll have to capture one first as it's fairly exclusive military hardware, you can't capture one alone, and you can't crew it alone either.
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
Yes, the ships can go very fast and maneuver very tightly, or at least they can if you don't need the pilots to survive the g-forces.
@AntonShumin10 жыл бұрын
Will this ever be released for Nintendo DS?
@mikegrant80317 жыл бұрын
Will this ever be released would be the question
@MrBam-gq2su3 жыл бұрын
Good old times
@oliverwang72155 жыл бұрын
stormtrooper aim taken to a whole new level
@Golie928512 жыл бұрын
at this time most Devs can't even say they have a developers console for the 720. So they are probably contractually obligated to say "No we're not developing for the 720" until the NDA is lifted. This will be sometime after all the Hardware, Software Architecture, and Manufacturing details have been finalized.
@AverageArtz12 жыл бұрын
In the description "Also for Xbox 720 and PS4 later" so yes it is.
@l.greenwood80969 жыл бұрын
Bengal Carrier, Vega Sector, It could have been a Wing Commander game...
@Dreadpirateflappy7 жыл бұрын
I know this is a late reply... but sadly EA own the Wing commander name,
@imtoys236 жыл бұрын
Great video, and great game. unfortunlly not for the Xbox-One nether PS-4
@albert89974 жыл бұрын
eh.... what naive we were in 2012.... good years:P
@jhuang85384 жыл бұрын
So many ship with a glaring weakness, the expose bridge
@Olslowhand12 жыл бұрын
10 ....years ....later
@Otokichi7865 жыл бұрын
Who let "Prince Thrakath" out? Like "Shotglass" on the "Tiger's Claw," said, something is awfully familiar about those enemy spaceships...
@liladuftendekaffeewurst85416 жыл бұрын
Stunning!!!
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
In a sandbox game where you can set out to be a courier, a military pilot, a merchant, a spy, a bounty hunter, a pirate, a smuggler, a racer, a scavenger, a miner, an explorer or cartographer and probably have even more options than that. How do you define winning? I define winning in this game as being successful enough at what you choose to do to be able to keep doing it, and having fun while you do so.
@mj28014 жыл бұрын
The Star Citizen Trailer at timeline 3:23 clearly shows the Pilot inside ship saluting the crew chief with his left hand. Any Military Person understand that we never Salute an Officer with the left hand, it always the right. I guess it doesn't matter because its a game, but if an approximation to a Military Salute was intended, then it should be corrected in the trailer, since in real life, the act of saluting an Officer with the left hand comes across as offensive and a lack of Military discipline. Other that that, everything else looks good. Good Job!
@ps3andrhcp10 жыл бұрын
I really hope it matches up to its hype...
@jesusfranco Жыл бұрын
It trully matched. The game is nothing more than hype.
@Aethid12 жыл бұрын
If it requires a high end PC, then it will not run well on next-gen consoles. A low-ish end gaming PC is about on par for what the next consoles are rumored to have.
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
Uh... the basic game package with a starter ship costs 30 dollars, though it won't get you into the alpha or beta version, you still get the full game at release with the Digital Scout package.
@Golie928512 жыл бұрын
I've programmed the XBox pipeline myself it uses DirectX and HLSL for GPU access. Porting to a next gen console isn't out of the question just because they don't want a publisher and want to push graphics. When the 720 is announced we will find out the truth.
@shawntepitts4882 жыл бұрын
Good one
@nonyabeeznuss3047 жыл бұрын
it it out? this game has been "right about to come out" since like..... 2010.
@Shadowwalker171712 жыл бұрын
slow not low, that was my fail. Yes, the mothership is to smal for an interstellar war. You forget, that the beings in there, must life in a motherspaceship. And yes, the battleships are to slow for a battle, every one can shoot them. see at 4:17. That fucks me up.
@Caelistas12 жыл бұрын
How ironic that this trailer is on XBOXVIEWTV but will never be released on consoles. Oh the bittersweet irony.
@dominich.3727 жыл бұрын
Preordered for 2020^^
@SeekerLancer4 жыл бұрын
Bad news from the future...
@dominich.3724 жыл бұрын
@@SeekerLancer Ah well. Covid 19 says hello
@ching-lungwu6143 жыл бұрын
I wanted to land on the Bengal Class since that time
@Exav22 жыл бұрын
Here's to hoping they don't make a second SQ42. A single player story driven game in a military structure is going to be rigid and not at all sandbox-y, so it'll be dry after the second playthrough. The PU is where all the interesting future content is since it will be truly dynamic.
@Midget501911 жыл бұрын
Have a look at the Bussard Ramjet.
@interdictum28958 жыл бұрын
Deam on, this game won't be out for xbox.
@MrTechuguy11 жыл бұрын
IM REALLY REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS GAME!!! GO PLEGE FOR A SHIP NOW!!!
@dakotadawn57893 жыл бұрын
Welp this has not aged well
@francescohenaut39 Жыл бұрын
@@dakotadawn5789 still didnt age well now lol
@GameDevyn10 жыл бұрын
why is this on an xbox channel.. pc only breh
@mrmack2u106 жыл бұрын
soapsauce what’s the name of this game if it’s on pc
@jyotishpatgiri43845 жыл бұрын
@@mrmack2u10 star citizen
@smally84992345 жыл бұрын
@soapsauce by the time this game launches it will be available on console too
@805drift4 жыл бұрын
haven't played Wing Commander in years...
@s.biertumpel376110 жыл бұрын
this carrier reminds me of the galaxy class from WC Privateer ... though it was just a cargo vessel :D
@thepiranhawins38288 жыл бұрын
Man this music is epic, I hear the battleship sound track mixed with some other stuff
@khairiliskandar67584 жыл бұрын
what the music title?
@smalliesmalls96014 жыл бұрын
Khairil Iskandar Art of War
@bjornjoseph Жыл бұрын
2023....still waiting
@dennisneubauer92224 жыл бұрын
Cool.. Looks like the loved tcs concordia. But in Moden Grafik
@XboxViewTV12 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: At this time only for PC and maybe later for consoles.
@smoketinytom4 жыл бұрын
XboxViewTV UPDATE: Consoles have caught up with PC! :)
@Zenas11312 жыл бұрын
Nice work with the background music, though this is the soundtrack from the movie " Battleship (2012) ".
@sgtdutch9912 жыл бұрын
good luck with that
@camoz12310 жыл бұрын
Btw people this is a Pc only game!
@spiritmemberstuartstuartme87646 жыл бұрын
Loves the lot
@jeromekhies49485 жыл бұрын
hear we go again is new Legend on our group. yehey yehey yehey
@DannyHodge9512 жыл бұрын
I reckon midrange PC's should be able to run it. They always come out with graphic settings - my low range £400 PC can run a lot of games on low graphic settings :)
@shrekit3604 Жыл бұрын
Amyone here after new trailer
@CordovanSplotchVT11 жыл бұрын
Many of the ships are meant to work in atmospheric flight too as you're supposed to be able to land on planets in them. So... your point is?
@CheffBryan11 жыл бұрын
Are you sure? Most nebulae would be made of Hydrogen, Helium, and whatever is left over from dead stars. Plus, I doubt it would help them get far at all, seeing as it takes massive amounts of fuel to reach near-light speed for travel, definitely more than collecting from any nebulae for years at a time...
@Netryon2 жыл бұрын
All i can tell I was waiting for myself. So it's a room in Derelict exploration contract Seize The Data. It could have been better and could have been more like Lost In Space room where they play cards in the beginning. Lost In Space Fleet does not have warp drives, but with the help of the robot they can borrow their warp drive and after making a jump there is survivors waiting for them in a new galaxy.
@NickPCage6 жыл бұрын
To bad we aren't getting it now :(
@eg67283 жыл бұрын
coming soon 2222!
@lemonscampi12 жыл бұрын
The Demo was running in realtime on 1 GTX 670 a £300 card not a gtx 690 which is about £800