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[@The_Fallen_1]

I get why they retured the F7c Mk1 from the online stores, but not from the in game ones, as to my understanding of the one(s) that sold it, those are meant to be used ships, and a used ship dealer is exactly where you'd expect to find older models of ships.

[@nightstorm10]

That's a really good idea actually - All the ships CIG decides to retire have a chance to randomly show up for sale at used ship dealers in small quantities (maybe even just one) so if you happen to be in the right place at the right time browsing through the used inventory you might come across one.

[@AeroWB]

A used ship dealer might come in the game later. But for now they need to make sure the Mk I will be a limited edition in order to not anger the old backers to much who bought the Mk I with real money while it was advertised as one of the best fighters. The release of many newer fighters saw the Hornet loose that position already, but the release of the Mk II made sure that promise was broken and will stay broken for ever. Keeping the Mk I available in the in-game store will not make the Mk I a limited edition and therefor the old backers of the Horner Mk I would have just an outdated ship, now at least they have a limited edition outdated ship.

[@Derguz]

@@AeroWB CIG never promised the Hornet would be the best fighter in the game. It's literally never been stated. What they have said is that the military version wouldn't be for sale unless ppl finished SQ42 or otherwise qualified through ingame events.

[@theinternetknows]

Used ship dealer will likely be in Pyro… new ships in Stanton

[@AeroWB]

@@Derguz Please read, I said one of the best, not the best. When I bought the game in 2012 there was no C or A variant. It said this: "Anvil Aerospace Hornet ready to fly (High-end ship focused towards dogfighting/combat)" Now I dont know what you think when you read high-end, but to me and many other that means one of the best. And that is just no longer true. There have been many more fighters introduced over the years that were better in many ways then the Hornet but at least they also had at least one significant drawback or were nerfed later on, and this shipflation is a way to drive sales, make a new ship the best and you sell more, later on you can bring it back in line. However, with the release of the Hornet Mk II the Mk I is just never going to be high-end anymore. Its being retired long before the game is finished. And I think therefore that CIG should offer owners of the Mk I a free upgrade to the Mk II

[@ReinQuest]

The hornet mk1 is going to be a dev nightmare. They shoot themselves in the foot by having to maintain an asset with a diminishing player crowd. Plus it’s not exactly fair that it’s not even a beta game and it’s already retired. I just think it’s dumb to make an asset they have to manage even if no one uses it.

[@AviatorFox]

The mkii should have replaced the mki like what happened with the old 300i-series from origin. This is a really silly way to go about things

[@royrogers3624]

Honestly don't even called it an alpha or beta anymore It's available for everyone and they're getting paid to make it the only difference between now and 1.0 is right now they can use "alpha" as an excuse to make massive changes that may or may not ruin the game for everyone who's spent thousands like the new garbage ship combat

[@mynameisprivate158]

Pretty dumb to "retire" a ship when the game is still in Alpha.... I just wonder when they are going to "retire" the cap ships and release the Mk2 versions for double price!!

[@echo5827]

Its kinda cool though, wish we had the old mk1 cutlass and 300 series flying around One more ship is not a "dev nightmare". Far less people own 890s than tiny mk1 hornets and they're gonna be maintaining that still

[@ReinQuest]

@@echo5827 but the 890 can be bought in game and it has a potential growing user base. If they’re going to do this dev nightmare. Give us the MK1 Zeus and all the other antique ships.

[@mtkamekazi4871]

Not sure if it was a dev vid or forum discussion but I remember about 7 or 8 years ago someone asked if older versions of ships would be available to find/buy such as the original zeus. Either fixable wrecks or second hand from a collector etc. Don't remember the exact answer but they said there were plans to include it. The hornet mk1 being retired doesn't surprise me due to this. I actually like the idea. Makes things feel more real.

[@applecrow8]

I'm hoping that for some of the older models that have been retired for gold pass we can at the very least spawn them in our hangars as museum pieces like the old 300i and Freelancer models and the Glaive/Scythe when those get the update.

[@MrDangerUXO]

My main complaint for the Mk I Hornet retiring, is the Tracker model. It never saw its gameplay realized.

[@AeroWB]

We'll see Mk II versions of the Mk I variants in the near future, if there will be a Mk II Tracker that means they still plan on implementing that gameplay and that gameplay will then also come to the Mk I. If there will not be Mk II Tracker but we'll see a Ghost and Super variant of the Mk II then I'd expect that gameplay will not make it in the near future or maybe ever.

[@N00ideaY]

Your comment about the retirement of the F7C MK I made me think of something along the lines of BSGs Viper Mark II vs Viper Mark VII. The F7C MK I will remain a tribute ship that has seen it's time, however much like BSGs Viper Mark II it may retain some advantages over the newer F7C MK II. Being an older concept ship and much like older cars I would expect it to have a more robust chassis seeing that the evolution of the F7C MK II has probably made it a more agile superiority fighter due to advances in tech. This would translate into a slightly tougher ship but less manuverable. I'm also seeing much larger intakes at the front which could translate into a stronger boost acceleration and possibly an slightly bigger thruster push in the lows, think of it as having more torque. Also to give it an edge over the newer MK II and seeing the older tech involved it could also be less susceptible to distortion weapons, as with BSGs Viper Mark II when going up against the Cylons were immune to hacking. Just throwing out ideas CIG if you're reading. My two cents to give the ship purpose and recognition and not have it just sit in a hangar as a collectible.

[@Schooterl]

Gotta agree with Zin on the old Hornet, i really like the idea of the old model not being sold by manufacturers and having to buy it second hand now.

[@TrickOrRetreat]

It's what creates immersion. I totally agree with you 👍

[@devingyarak]

Persistent hangars are the biggest thing I’ve ever been hyped for in SC

[@jasonfabrick9308]

We have the Saber, Hornet, and Arrow. I wonder if CIG will use the names of some of the other Wing Commander fighters? Rapier, Scimitar, Thunderbolt, Excalibur, Hellcat, Centurion, and Broadsword to list a few.

[@El-Gordo]

I don't really care that much about retiring the Mk1 hornets. Congrats everyone who has one, you now have a semi-rare spaceship. Nothing to complain about.

[@RavingNut]

First time a master of flight (wildfire) will be retired too.

[@AeroWB]

CIG has said that somehow the Mk I will still be available so many people think it will be the Sq42 endgame reward, which makes sense. The issue is that many people bought the Mk I for real money while the ship was advertised as one of the best fighters. The release of the Mk II has made clear the Mk I will never be one of the best fighters again and instead we now have a semi outdated fighter that is semi rare. That is not what was advertised. Its better then just having an outdated fighter but its still a crap move on their part. Now, maybe the Mk I will become valuable and it might be interesting to sell it, but I doubt that will happen.

[@dandotvid]

Something to complain about though. Are they going to do this with other ships? Will ships people bought years in advance suddenly not even really be of any use upon release? They need to save ship iterations until after they release the game.

[@Captain_Max]

CIG, you need to make the Argo Tractor at least capable of carrying a Drake Mule, and preferably all vehicles that can fit between the legs of a Tractor.

[@CMDR_MURR]

That would be very cool, and useful

[@CosmicTurtle13]

Personal hangars are going to be so cool when they finally roll those out soon. I hope they have a trophi case, a place to put all my rare collected items from around the vers, and some hunting displays and stuff. Most importantly though I hope I can get an armory to load myself and all my buddies before a mission.

[@tyandy1424]

"Why are CIG doing this" To keep the C2 series relevant: easiest to load, fly and land. Caterpillar owners upgrade for reasons. Carrack owners scream about exploration... and the inability to access cargo. "Why are CIG doing this" Realizing that releasing ships with half the capacity of current ships don't sell. Seeing how old ship designs are quickly being phased out as they develop more and more variants, for reasons... $

[@AngryGiantRobot]

Hopefully we can put our gear into crates or containers and label them somehow

[@Endit12s]

I'm surprised by the lack of pushback on the Mk II. I expect every ship in the game to get a Mk II and Mk III soon by changing some number. Would be easy money for CIG and people don't seem to mind. Every ship would become C tier or lower as soon as the new model comes out

[@redslate]

God I hope not. Hate power-creep.

[@alexnoahvogel]

I like the idea that they retire their older ships and come out with a newer model much like a car manufacturer in real life...could create a cool collectors market within the game.

[@RavingNut]

They are also retiring a master of flight ship too, the Wildfire.

[@DaGhostToast]

Yeah but let's get the game first...

[@snoop_lion]

It's not even out of alpha yet. Can we get to at least beta first?

[@redslate]

I'm okay with a rare instance. I *do* *not* want it to become a cash-grab the way Apple treats their latest iPhone.

[@richard-hawley]

As an original backer I remember it was stated (somewhere) that players completing SQ42 will be entitled to their military Hornet as recognition of service.

[@jbirdmax]

That was the F8 But it was never actually said that it would be free, as I’ve seen some people saying. But yes, we should also have access to the F7 v1

[@RumblerGaming]

I hope they update the cockpit for the MK1. The UI is really bugged still. It's miles away form your face and unreadable for the most part.

[@AngryGiantRobot]

Retiring the Mark 1 makes sense- It's for the same reason today you can't go to a car dealership and buy a new 1971 Mustang Mach 1 or Corvette Stingray. You can buy them on the secondary market, and you still see them driving around...

[@creec.winceptor]

Thats nice and all, if we were speaking of ingame economy of released game. But this is about pledging/donating/funding for development of game. Not rly a good comparison to use here.

[@mynameisprivate158]

It makes sense if the game was released for some time but retiring ships when the game is still in Alpha makes ZERO sense!

[@RavingNut]

Also it will retire a master of flight ship, the Wildfire.

[@AngryGiantRobot]

@@creec.winceptor Huh? Its exactly the correct comparison for the explanation they are giving in lore. IRL- yes, they are funding a game- if people can't get it anymore they will buy it now vs if it's available all the time they will just buy with aUEC and not actual money

[@AngryGiantRobot]

@@mynameisprivate158 it makes sense when they can get people to buy it with real money because they won't be able to get it anymore

[@gotphill]

Not so well known but they took $100 off the retaliator bomber ccu making it worth 175 instead of 275. support still hasn't responded all Invictus.

[@mynameisprivate158]

it is well known, the Tally went to the base model and you have the bomber modules in your inventory now.

[@0waverunner0]

They won't reply either. Why would they. 😂😂😂

[@votpavel]

damn, im gonna still keep mine, even though i hate the rework shitty elevator instead of 2 cool ones

[@Seahorn_]

​@@votpavelwhat is wrong with thhem?

[@gotphill]

@@mynameisprivate158 They are not in inventory they are in the game package though but dont add any value

[@groovydinosaur4138]

ironclad seems like it will be a fun ship to use, can't wait to see it in game in a decades time

[@mynameisprivate158]

They say it protects your cargo but I wonder if you won't just be able to shoot the command module off the Ironclad and the nloot the cargo at you leisure!

[@Grum_Be]

12 WB CCU: Cutlass Black 100/110. Retaliator 160/175. Sabre Firebird 170/185. Vulcan 185/200. Terrapin 200/220. Ares Inferno 235/250. Vanguard Harbinger 270/290. Constellation Aquila 290/315. Caterpillar 300/330. Valkyrie 350/375. Carrack 560/600. Perseus 615/675.

[@finalhalo3]

The hangar stuff allows me to finally do something with all the hangar flair items I have been collecting over the years.

[@votpavel]

remember the aquarium

[@Exydos1]

Removing the hornet mk1 is bulls****

[@emperortivurnis9161]

CIG did say, a very long time ago that they reserve the right to discontinue very old ships (models). Similar to IRL. What I have to wonder is if we'll actually see them come back at places like the Levski ship dealer in Nyx, or other used ship dealers, in the future.

[@Zakfiel_the_Mushroom]

I won't say i'm "in love" with the Ironclad, but i truly see the point of using it, cargo wise i mean. You can of course use it for basic cargo, pirate operation or things like that, but i also see it fit the best in the fleet amunition ship role : With it being armed and having a cargo deck that's at the same time protected and easily accessible, it'll probably be the best ship to fly along a fleet to resuply it

[@pablofiasco2]

im kinda hoping that those repair missions that we discussed once-upon-a-time, where you have to inspect a ruined ship, and figure out what you need to make it operational, will have ships like the Mk1 as goals, it would kinda make sense for them to be prevalent in scrapyards

[@bjordan429]

I think the Assault will have opening doors: - CIG Marketting has often proven that it doesnt talk with the Devs (best recent example is with the NUrsa commercial and "Death of a Spaceman") - CIG Marketting needed to sell both versions equally. job good - This is done with cars as well; the base models will advertise simple things like "has A/C", but it doesnt mean that the other models dont. Unless specifically stated that it doesnt open, it would make the Assault a bad purchase without it.

[@emoney7472]

FOMO FOMO hurry.

[@echo5827]

If you get fomo for in-game purchases you deserve to get scammed

[@Stellar-Nucleosynthesis]

💊

[@Brian-us2xz]

Keep throwing your wallets at the screen for my jpgs! Pay piggies pay!

[@IcyAmphibian]

I am a master of FOMO

[@Aves_1]

How is it fomo when the new version is better? You aren’t missing out on anything

[@kaiyubi9052]

I think the cargo loading part kind of depends on how well CIG is able to manage the balancing of the auto-loading feature and general trade economy. Because if it is effectivly easier and not to expensive to just auto-load any ship, then the manual part is kind of pointless and just a chore. Hopefully they'll be able to find the sweetspot where its actually better if player crews load their (bigger) ships themselves and solo players are encouraged and rewarded for sticking to smaller/medium sized freighters (the van fantasy)!

[@Pyrilium1043]

If you are cynical, the reason for the Hornet removal is that they are forcing more pledges. First, they raised the prices and then they cancel it. The Hornets are a large group of mid-range links in CCU chains. Backers will now either have to melt them locking in cash and killing discounts or they will have to pay new money to secure the link for incomplete chains since none of the Hornets are on sale and they didn't offer any CCUs to the Mk II.

[@Lord_Azrizus]

Cargo update can give cargo game loop a reason to be group play. Can have friends act as escort ships, land and everyone load. then escorts take off and scout before cargo take off.

[@Teddy-tx7wb]

I suspect they Buffed the FIrebird to 24 missiles because it was always intended to have the same number as the Shrike... but someone thought that the shrike only had 12.

[@SmushAG]

I saw another comment about finding repairable old ships in game and it sounds so cool to go looking for vintage ships exclusively in the verse. Also if the iron clad could fit a vulture it would be a perfect scrapping ship!

[@spearborn7978]

The Hornet thing is a little weird to me. I don't think that older ships should automatically be worse...

[@redslate]

Yeah, if anything they should mirror _BattleTech_ and treat older equipment as 'LosTech.' We don't want power-creep.

[@GaradanR]

I can't wait to see the Ironclad in game... in about 4+ years..

[@Cryost88]

I went redeemer to Valkarie. My favourite part of it is the ramp opening speed. I love the idea of the side doors opening for some fps pew pew.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

That internal turret is for both dealing with boarders and with escaping prisoners. The Ironclad is the first Drake ship that allows for the illegal transportation of people as cargo. So 'Slaver Trading' is a possibility. The Ironclad is an ideal ship for Pirate Orgs, Pirate groups as a mobile Repository for all their stolen goods. For legitimate Traders/Haulers it's a big ask, as you only truly get the best out of it fully crewed up. Also with Engineering, wear and tear, Resource Management and consumables etc, there is going to be a lot of stuff happening to keep track of on big ships like this.

[@Hanneth]

Since about 3.16 I've found it takes about 15 minutes to get into the PU from the launcher. Then about another 15 minutes until I get playable frame rate. As part of Invictus I decided to run some tests with task manager's performance view up. Even though I have a fairly old GPU, I don't think I've ever seen it go over 80%. When I am getting decent framerate, all CPU threads are almost at full utilization now. It used to be 1st thread 100%, 2nd thread 50%, 3rd thread 8%, 4th thread 2%, then threads 5-8 would be 0%. When I'm getting bad framerate my GPU and CPU utilization is almost nothing. Then I noticed my 16gb of RAM was at 15.9gb usage and my swap file drive was 100%. Ya, this game basically isn't playable with only 16gb of RAM now. If I shut off everything I can in the background, then I get a bit of room, but at first my swap drive still thrashes. I've ordered another 16gb, so hopefully that will really help. I was thinking my old computer might not be cut out for playing the game, but it looks like if I get the extra RAM, it will be playable. I can't afford a new system now, and even if I could, it looks like everything out right now doesn't have good long term viability. Especially AMD graphics cards. Rumor are their next gen cards won't be much better than this gen. Intel is still on Alchemy and hopefully Battlemage will make them more of a competitor. I will never buy Nvidia again! AMD CPUs are also in my bad books, but I will give them a shot again, if they can ever get their act together. Though considering they've been promising they will for 27 years and haven't yet... I did make the mistake of of getting an Athlon system a while ago,, and it overheated frying the motherboard and CPU. Now everyone says how fast the Ryzen chips are, but then tries to make excuses for them crashing so often, and sometimes they can be perfectly stable if you underclock them and win the silicon lottery. Sorry, stability is top priority for me, and Intel has that down... mostly. I am not going to excuse the 13 and 14 gen i9 debacle! Though when seeing what I would buy, the i9 has never made the price to performance sense, so it was never going into a possible new computer for me anyways. Please don't laugh, currently a Core i7-4470k, 16gb DDR3 1888, Radeon 480, SATA SSD.

[@adwickenkamp]

i love the idea of ships going through different models over time and retiring the earlier ones so theyll only be available on the secondary market like classic/antique cars

[@tragickai5856]

What I think would be really cool is scrap yard shops that sell old ships or even rare ships that are all beaten up or missing components. With repairing and engineering you could buy old f7 mk1s and more expensive ships that you could restore

[@papadross]

So they are basically just adding personal hangers from years ago to the PU with some cargo updates?

[@austin.t5557]

The more and more I look at the Ironclad, the more I think people will be underwhelmed. It feels like they are more focused on making a good boarding ship, for a fun mission. Then a ship players can use for good cargo runs. Lots of blind spots, and points of entry, You could have these massive cargo missions, have players go out and pickup stuff and not worry about players running off with a new ship because the pilot module is detached.

[@davewills148]

If your flying a Hull-B/C/D/E solo, and without an fighter escort your a champion for the cause, yet the Cargo game loop expects you to be a competent pilot, responsible captain and running a lucrative enterprise, and not rich picking for pirates and feral groups. You're part of the game loop whatever position you place yourself in.

[@degan51]

I got tired of waiting for the medical terrapin that I bought a Cutless red. When that medical terrapin comes out though I will be switching.

[@Amilli6]

I glad they're making the firebird more stealthy, and have 24 missiles makes it easier to do more than 2 bounty missions before re-arming

[@magnus_lundgren]

Having the MKI being "out of production" in-game might help giving a lived in world feel. And those who wants one, but either can't afford to shell out enough to get one now or joined to late will potentially be able to hunt one down later in the game. As someone that have a Super-hornet MKI as a pledge ship, I also think that the MKI series should be slightly worse than the MKII somehow, as it wouldn't make sense to have it replaced from an in-game point of view if the newer one isn't better or cheaper.

[@Mr1FTW]

The SuperHornet was my first game-pack. It was supposed to be one of the best ships in the game on release. So yes, a bit disappointed that it is tucked away like this. My personal thought on the "cargo play loop" and upcoming "engineering" is that it might drain some of the fun when playing. If it is non-optional, it might have people choosing loops that aviod that - like not doing cargo and avoid buying large ships. :-/

[@CptnMangol]

Oh...what about the game adding Used Ship sellers around the verse? I agree, manufacturers do not build outdated equipment, so it would make sense that Mark I verses might be available at these type of ship sellers on the fringes of known space...

[@DarkVader579]

I think the cargo elevators are the best thing ever, cause now if you want to do cargo multicrew it gives more feeling of actually haulling together instead of your friend just tagging along while you run in to admin office, buy, sell and repeat. Now it will be fun to trade together

[@AeroWB]

I think its fairly simple why CIG is stopping sales of the Mark I. The Mark II is a significantly better ship. Which is not strange as its a newer version and its also priced higher. However CIG has sold many many Mark I versions to their backers and they were told that it was going to be one of the best fighters in the game. But that is not longer the case. We have already seen many competitors in that area like the Scorpius, Vanguard, Buccaneer, F8, Sabre. But at least all of those were enough different and none of them was just better in every way, though some almost were. But with the release of the Mk II its as clear as can be and there is no hiding it. The Mark I is outdated and is never going to be top dog. So basically they screw*d the original backers of their first hours who paid with real money for a ship that was advertised as one of the best fighters. They could have given all Mk I owners the option to trade in their Mk I for a Mk II free of charge. But they wanted to sell Mk II's and get more money out of everyone, so free upgrade is not a thing. Thus an upgrade mission from MkII F7C to A was introduced and the retirement from real money and in-game store of the Mk I was cooked up, so the original owners would have to be content with owning a limited edition vintage unit instead or be distracted with their "partially free" MkII F7A.

[@tandemedge9433]

I see a lot of potential issues with the loading and unloading of cargo especially in neutral zones where all that extra time can be a big risk. Plus you would be out in the open longer, ship open longer, etc, etc. Would be much better if we just hired an NPC and watched them load it up, idk.

[@cv368]

Its not like there is an indisputable rule that new ships have to get nerfed after release. They just get adjustet according to first player reaction and ingame performance. And in case of the Firebird it seems that the first conclusion was that it was too weak so it gets buffed. And sometimes an old ship gets even totally replaced by a full rework. Been like that with the Mustang, Avenger and Cutlass as well. Just without as much of a fuzz btw: agreeing with Zinya, the Ironclad Assault should keep the opening roof. Its the ships main selling point after all

[@falcon758]

Super keen for the cargo update ... but ... server meshing can't come quickly enough!

[@Scheldon]

I’m still thinking if that new drake ship will have extra landing pad or something which will allow to supply ship’s fabricators with necessary resources to repair ships/tanks etc. If not then long assault missions and resources management with full cargo of vehicles will be nightmare

[@BazureSkyslash]

I can't wait to try out the cargo changes, and love the idea of personal hangars. Would be nice if in the future we could set our personal hangars to a station, but I'm not sure how that would work with stations without hangars for larger ships.

[@MidknightsGhost]

I would love the changes to cargo! Seems like the loop getting fleshed out is going to make it more interactive.

[@davebiscuits]

So I understand the immersion of having discontinued ships in the verse, but someone mentioned that it's potentially a dev nightmare and I could definitely see that. I guess my question is if there is a "modular workflow/standardization" for how ships are built now or planned in the future? That way you can update like a global setting to say...armor rather than individual ships; everything scales accordingly to keep balance. For example, if there are improvements made for future ships it should be done in a way that's a marginal improvement to the original rather than a HUGE jump that results in a constant game of micro balancing the old vs new. Like I love the concept of "discontinuing" older vehicles because it adds to the overall SC lore when it comes to in-game ship manufacturers and branding, but just wonder how well this can be executed.

[@theundauntedgamesTTV]

combat in Star Citizen has never been my forte, but the 3.23 cargo missions and hangar introductions have really brought me back to the game. If I'm being brutally honest I feel like we need more sooner. With pyro coming hopefully soon we'll have some nice new content [hopefully] but I cannot express how much I'm looking forward to the potential for base building and more things to do. I've always loved the creative aspect of games so I'm hoping CIG gives us some sort of crafting system in star citizen at some point. Enough ranting now though, as always another epic video. Your content has kept me in the loop and my interest alive for the game. I appreciate the work you do, you wonderful gamer.

[@arneskare5348]

Really like the Ironclad. A little dissapointed that they havent shown the caterpillar any lover yet.

[@Anachroschism]

I'm surprised the Assault is only 400 SCU less, considering the extras. Obviously like the C2 and M2, artificial limits, but with the Assault, a lot of opinions will change depending on whether it can handle fighters as well as ground vehicles.

[@FabledDragon]

All for the modular idea, while it makes sense just mean it likely screws with their pricing, but like to see the variants as a "package" i.e. Cutlass Red Package, Cutlass Blue package. existing owned could easily swap out 1:1 but to how much backer rage is another question. having long range scan show the ship as a "cutlass" and not knowing what variant until visual or additional scanning would add to gameplay..

[@AustinNeal]

I picked up a few hornets mk1 upgrade tokens to hold on too. So if i do decide i want one in the future will have the option. I think its cool there retiring the mk1 series of ships. Give the older players to have something uncommon and unique to have. Im sure we all like being able to show off a rare item / ships / paints. And being able to see rare ships at "ship meets" is always my favorite. The price should be the same or a small increase for the new model. Or a discount option or free upgrade to new model would be a cool option.

[@kristianhawk]

Problem with the Hornet is, if you've already spent $1k on the MKI series you now have to spend $500 more to upgrade them to the current ship. CIG is so full of marketing BS at this point. It's a total FU to any old backers who own the ships

[@WabbitCrouton]

What I am slightly worry about is how the Hornet Mk1 could become yet another token kind of asset like the Sabre Raven. Or it could be an exciting thing. A collectors item in the long run. No more spare parts, so less of them flying around each year, until it becomes a hot ingame item that could get stolen on demand for rich players.

[@LoganM793]

I grabbed the firebird and have had a blast in it so far! If they keep making fun ships or niche that work the sky is the limit for “funding”!

[@SOGBulldog]

I enjoyed fleet week and just my limited play time, but the free fly didn't hurt my game performance. I did pick up a Firebird, a Pulse, a Nursua, and ccued my MSR to a Constellation Aquila. (maybe the scanner station will allow for some data running whenever that comes in the game).

[@Mike5Brown]

I'm glad to see that the Firebird got a buff, because the fury MX kind of annoys me with how many missiles that carries.

[@scintilion]

For those who purchased multiple ships with an included hangar, has there been any discussion about how the new player hangar will incorporate the hangar/ship purchased? Long ago, players were able to display their ships all at once in one location. I hope something like this will come back again.

[@AI40K]

MPUV Tractor is a neat lil ship and the sounds are brill! Very mechanical and rugged, it's the little details that make it fun :D

[@TheInquisitor7]

I think the idea of the Mk1 being a used car is pretty fun

[@xugans99]

I am really excited about those Ironclad ships. I definitely like more of that middle ground cargo hauling number than the insane ocean liner container ship numbers.

[@Storm-Cleaver]

Disappointed that "Unique Item Recovery" still won't be in. But part of me wants to get a way to go over to SPK legitimately... and loot it for furniture.

[@jimjam4866]

The interaction wheel needs to be reduced in size by 50 to 70 % it’s too large and can have obscured options in certain situations.

[@carllong8954]

Yeah. CIG normally nerfs the ship after the initial sale. Tells you how "good" the firebird must have been to need a buff due to low sales.

[@NakedAnt]

I miss the old 300 series, I melted my 350 when they updated the design. I wish those had gotten the Hornet treatment as well.

[@parkerxgps]

I could see the assault replacing the internal turret with a utility mount/ tractor beam. Something to aid vehicle repair.

[@cloudcleaver23]

I do wonder why they wouldn't just update the existing Hornet. Not like they haven't done that with ships before.

[@John_Krone]

MKII - MKI = Cheap marketing. It is CIG's way to keep getting more money for basically the same ships with little effort. You kidding me? Clearly they are now getting so desperate which ultimately worries me about the future of my investment in this game. I'm always in accord with Zinn but this time she is wrong. The game is still in development!! how can they retire something that never made it to the final game? I would understand later, maybe years later after the game has been finalized that they introduce the MKII. But NOT before. What does that say of all my ships?? Carrack MKII coming also? 890J MKII?? WTF.... So does that mean that little by little they will retire all our ships and "psychologically" push us to want to continue to buy our whole fleet once again because our OLD fleet is not on par with all the MKII's that will be available when the game finally goes gold?? If this will be a new trend CIG is doing I am stopping purchasing ships. I'm currently a Space Marshal and literally regretting it.

[@Alex7ati]

Your rant makes zero sense. The ship isn't going away, just won't be sold in stores. If you have the ship already this doesn't affect you, if don't have the mk1 by now you were never planning on getting one. The mk2 isn't new, either it's been on display at ILW for years now, like the F8 it just wasn't for sale, even though people begged for it. Personally I think the mk2 is a much better design, glad they made it available. I don't see what you are worried about this isn't real life. Your ships won't lose function and capabilities overtime, even if they put out a new model.

[@RichardNievesNY]

@@Alex7ati You're not getting his point. What he is saying that MKIIs are CIGs way to get double for the same ship with minimum effort. Other ships are in consideration to have MKII. Those like him (space marshals) have invested above $5K in this game. The least a person wants who has invested so much is that CIG introduces an improved version of what he has already purchased when the game is not even yet released. Hope that helps

[@Alex7ati]

@@RichardNievesNY it still doesn't matter because there were already a number of ships better than the mk1, there is also nothing stopping him from melting or upgrading at little or no cost. The mk1 is still going to get its gold standard pass. Also he is not the only one that has invested a good amount of money into SC. He looses nothing by them selling the mk2.

[@delfosse.design]

Apply this same argument to cars and dealerships and you realize how foolish your argument is. Just because a new model comes out doesnt mean your current one is useless. Stop treating a video game as your second life fantasy. You already spent more than $5k on this game and you still arent satisfied? The point is not to get every ship, you have an issue. Im not gonna stop you though cause your irresponsible spending is funding the game sensible people who are waiting for development and not spending thousands on digital ships you can play the game for😊 Soon you will learn that spending your minimum wage on a digital world still wont make you cool

[@Samwise_Dibly]

Surprised a bit by how well funding went for Invictus too.

[@warlordmattias69420]

On 3.23.2 it would be awesome if some of the ground pads had the ability to call from underground. especially when you accidentally impound your 890 by the platinum bay there..

[@BrokenKeyes]

Sunsetting ships doesn't seem bad to me. Rustles up some buyback pledge grabbing, and makes those ships have a bit of appeal.

[@mehrunez4838]

I like the idea of old ships not being buyable in the cash shop, but ingame should be fine

[@slicther]

With the more exciting patches coming, it's no surprise that it's attracting greater reach to more content creators

[@thrashjf83]

My issue is the manual load cargo works in your hangar but not in the wild. If I go to an outpost and buy a full C2 worth of cargo and have to load it myself what is stopping someone else from stealing my cargo? The only way it works is if all the current pois swap over to the new outposts they added in with the 3.23 patches as only those have enclosed hangars. As to events I hate how they broke call to arms without adding in a way to work CDF rep with it gone.

[@Kernel_Panic611]

I love how they manage resources for new hangars and yet players keep dying drinking in their game idk whats better...releasing new buggy stuff or fixing existing ones.

[@votpavel]

whats better is have a solid game that works,kinda like how polished elite dangerous is. But these dudes make money from ship sales so they cant stop making new ships because it brings them money to continue functioning, star citizen is cool ,its got many features but it runs like shit, its buggy and bringing stupid shit like food /water / permadeath/ ships you can only crew with a player group is just gonna push away buyers and push away old backers

[@Animated_guy_OG]

Persistent hangers moment

[@SquidZillaPainting]

Not sure about the changes to the hornet. I loved the original hornet, specifically thr Ghost. So I hope they di a MK2 stealth variant in full black paint to replace it!

[@Palko65]

As others have stated, its just odd that they are retiring any ships before the game is actually out.

[@pilks4k]

I really like the Hornet MK1 manufacturing being stopped in the verse this means if you want one your going to have to get one via other means repair one found in a scrap yard? Buy one from a fringe system ship dealer or earn one via a quest (Just letting you buy one from getting a certain reputation level with UEE doesn't appeal to me).

[@witchdoctor6502]

I wonder how cargo will work when we need to put into ships ourselves when it comes to griefing. Also the Mk1 being retired is weird especially since neither SC nor SQ42 are out and once the ships are off shops I doubt CIG will keep them up to current standards.

[@hirofortis]

really want to see the cargo change. it needs it since right now there seems to be a lot of partial implementation which is causing a lot of cargo bugs.

[@Dome665]

This Sunset idea could become something great 👀 and im hoping they decide to use it as a collector's theme

[@Scrypture13]

Very excited about bases. Being able to store things like cargo will be great. I hope this is the next step in allowing friends to have access to your fleet.

[@vzfhv3c516]

the cargo moving in yourself is going to be a pain in the arse. Probably won't do cargo anymore.

[@J.Severin]

#13:20 "The Sin Men in the Van" sounds like a really dark thriller movie 😂

[@MikeTsa7]

Excited for the 3.23.2 personal hangars. I love base building in other games, a customizable hangar is a small first step that I'm looking forward to. Retrieving your ship and vehicles to load it will be a nice time saver if it properly works as well.

[@thespacemonkey1000]

Removing the Hornet mk1s is wild. I don't know why they would do that. It doesn't bode well if development will last long enough for most ships to be retired for a new model year.

[@jch1386]

I still feel weird about Star Citizen treating their alpha as canon story wise. Like the retiring of the MK1 Hornet. Or starting to date ships so that anything that's a new concept is "New" production year wise.

[@texnorthman]

I bet we will see a price hike on the Mk1's, a small buff, and then a "Last chance" sale at some point around July/August.