Star Citizen - Zeus MKII CL or Freelancer MAX - Cargo Daily Driver

[@sandwichninja]

This accurate, no bullshit commentary is very helpful and appreciated. Underrated channel. Subbed.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

The Zeus CL has additional VTOL thrusters to give it added lift . The rear turret on the Freelancer is manned and has an obstructed front view, where as the CL's remote bottom turret has a 360° viewing angle. ... Also subbed

[@karmacappa]

You referred to the turret on the Freelancer Max as a remote turret. I think it's a manned turret, so it physically requires a crew member to go into the cargo bay and climb into it. The turret on the Zeus MK II CL is a true remote turret operated from the cockpit, providing a clear advantage to the crew.

[@BigSneed404]

The Freelancer series are some of the select few OG ships that have stood the test of time. Small enough to land anywhere easily, enough firepower to reasonably defend themselves, and a lot of amenities packed into a small area make sure it never goes out of style.

[@evobsm2328]

The two ships i find that are really in need of a redesign are the cutlass and the hornet. The freelancer is 50/50 but on those ships its more the interior. Espescially that door that leads to the second cargo space.

[@Tschenggo]

I love the MAX, and am still undecided if I want to upgrade to a Zeus, for me the main deciding factors are if a URSA will fit in the Zeus, and how the MAX looks after the gold-pass. CIG said that if you use all the Cargo in the Zeus, the componentents will not be able to be accessed, while in the MAX it looks like you still would be able. In all honesty, I think the MAX needs quite an overhaul, the docking collar should be on the side, this would open up the posibility to move the turrett on the top and make it a remote turret, by reducing the vrew to two players it would also give room for the docking collar on the side. The Compnents should be moved into the small cargo secion, as it would be hard to fit boxes through the door anyway and then put a remote tractor beam at the position where the back turret is, and it would be perfect. Personally I love that these ships are very close, as this makes for good balancing and people will most likly pick their favorite design.

[@sorecgaming]

I completely agree! 👍🏼

[@artsolano6762]

Turret on the top of the Max has limited coverage towards the front. The Xeus will have full 360 coverage on the bottom. So advantage Zeus here. I feel its a good idea to hang on to the Max. I think the gold pass will have some hull modifications. I think they will make it more ovular rather than a tube. If you can afford it, I would get both, or at least a CCU.

[@Luredreier]

Well, depends on the situation, the top turret is useful even when landed, the bottom one, not so much...

[@edenyan7237]

yea, right now, the middle section of all freelancers which can hold 6?8? 1scu cargo box, that area, you cannot offload those cargo, so I think the will give both freelancer and constellation a significant re-design. better just hold on to the MAX since even as for now, the MAX is still a very good ship itself.

[@TierDvik]

@@edenyan7237 Yeah I am holding onto the max myself. They have made so many design changes on ships since it was released the gold pass is gonna change it up alot. And I am holding out they stick true to one statement. The max should be the largest cargo ship that can pass through the smallest jump gate. Meaning if the Zeus has more cargo right now, I expect the max to increase theirs to around 140 or 145 with the rework

[@NegdoshaManido]

I've used the Max for a long time. Capable, if not butt-ugly. The Zeus is just awesome looking. Looks like a mini Polaris, which I've been waiting for.....and waiting for..... I have to admit, the appearance of a ship is a big factor for me. The Zeus checks all the boxes. Looking forward to taking it out!

[@blendyboi2087]

Love the max. Piloted this ship for half a year. It’s tough n capable. And good as a daily driver. I believe the Zeus will be the upgrade to the max. Similar cargo load with a different manufacturer. I’d say depends on your preferences of ship and without being able to pilot the Zeus it’s hard to say if it’s something that can beat the max. But I have little doubts.

[@uberfu]

Not an upgrade more than a competitor.

[@durtyred86]

I'm going Freelancer MAX hands down... Because no other ship feels like a Peterbilt/Kenworth like a damn MAX baby. You keep your sharp edges and new age design. Gimmie that big ugly orange and white and I'll be alright, C'mon..🫡

[@Glathgrundel]

Same, but I had to switch out the orange paint for a matt black. Not a fan of the ‘Finding Nemo’ aesthetic.

[@darellkubina5498]

I like the paint job, went from freelancer to max to Taurus

[@QuotidianStupidity]

I’ll take the one that doesn’t look like a flying dildo

[@DaddyKoolPop]

I also get the feel of driving a big ol' Greyhound bus. Nostalgia, I dig that it.

[@varthelm]

Nice video. Going to pick up a MAX for the first time and mess with it. CIG did state that the shields on the Zeus were up to a new standard relating to engineering gameplay and other ships would be betting a balance pass to bring them to this standard. Maybe the MAX gets more shields as a result? Guess we'll find out "Soon" tm. :)

[@joshm3484]

Lancer cockpit always reminds me of peeking through a mail slot.

[@robertvohs1699]

i dont know if they will mirror the Hull A, but CIG has already said that they are getting away from the top and bottom mounted doorways. it was too much for the AI pathing to use them so all airlocks are going to be side mounted when all is said and done. it was mention in isc or scl a several months ago i believe. the MAX's turret is also manned, so if you are in a heavy battle area trying to get away, the gunner has to try and navigate the ship while you maybe performing evasive maneuvers and cause him to stumble. the CL has a remote turret, no chair change needed. you will be able to walk around the cargo in the MAX, but you will not be able to pass the cargo and go out the back of the CL if it is fully loaded with cargo. the MAX maybe easier to deal with component issues if you are loaded. i also believe they said that there will be a lot of rework to the components and then we can get better numbers on what every ship has. the freelancers need some major overhaul to bring them up to standards, i just dont know when that will be.

[@RicoZaid_]

Max. You can fit a Nursa in the Max.

[@larslaufer301]

I think I just recently read that a lot of ships, including the Freelancer will have a rework on what modules they will have. Specialy the shields IIRC.

[@atrior7290]

With physicalised damage being in the works, we need to keep in mind that armor is going to be a thing. Certain size weapons won't be able to penetrate the hull of some ships. The difference between S3 and S4 guns could be the difference between barely sctatching paint off a ship and blowing up it's components. For combat I would go for the Zeus.

[@sorecgaming]

Yeah I’m curious on how armor will play a role in the grand scheme of things. Hopefully we’ll find out sooner than later.

[@templumofaten]

You do an awesome job bro… Your attention to detail is spectacular…

[@sorecgaming]

I appreciate that!

[@DeepRunner1-y1l]

I have both and and My Max is my go to ship for so much and until I see it for myself that the Zeus's entry is wide enough and tall enough and placement for cargo and equipment as well as ground vehicles isn't messed up as well as the interior sections and visibility in the cockpit ,not to mention the gold standard on the whole Freelancer line will be almost a complete rework, so don't get rid of your Max yet, I bought all 3 of the Zeus's,but I have not given up on my Freelancers I have High hopes.I believe they will widen and raise as well as lengthen by 1 to 3 SCU in every section to all the Freelancers including reworking every section of the ship with a cockpit closer to the Misc Prospector or the Hull A.We will see, thank you for the video and your input, everyone's opinion matters on this subject, we buy them, we fly them, so yes what we think does matter and in fact I want to see if they have a comment or contribution section at CIG for just these kind of thoughts,take care and see you out in the verse.Deep Runner 1.

[@sorecgaming]

Much appreciated!

[@koopakinkreet]

Im excited for when the Freelancers finally get that Gold standard. The fans deserve it 😅

[@AlbandAquino]

Having all 3 variants, I can't wait 🥹😅

[@chrishieke1261]

Indeed. But there are quite a lot of issues to address: a) Why would it need four crew members, when similar ships (f.e. Hull A) have a single pilot/operator or noticeably larger ships need four crew members to function properly? I would keep it a two crew member ship (pilot+operator/engineer/gunner), maybe add a jumpseat to carry a passenger. This would be a moch more fitting crew complement and would be the factor that differentiates it from similar ships like the Hull A. b) Reducing the crew number would go a long way to solve the issues with the living quarters. Keep two bunk beds and use the space on the other side for kitchen/storage/racks. A sanitary combo could be added by removing the current ladder exit and redesigning the secondary cargo hold. c) Just delete the secondary cargo hold and repurpose the space for a new airlock/docking port and suit lockers. d) Everything aft oft the new airlock section can be kept as it is. e) With the exception to replace the manned turret with a remote one. The Freelancer deserves to be an iconic ship with real purpose.

[@koopakinkreet]

@chrishieke1261 I'm on the fence about the crew size. 4 isn't required but it is nice for a small ship to have the life support and amenities for a larger party. You could have a pilot a gunner and extra hands to manage systems 🤷 I kind of look at it more as a feature than a hindrance. It's not harder to run but it has the option to support more people. But I could go either way The absolutely gotta rework that turret tho dang that things annoying

[@AlbandAquino]

You don't have a tractor beam (yet) on the freelancer. Having 4 people helps moving cargo around. Don't forget that.@@koopakinkreet

[@chrishieke1261]

@@koopakinkreet A valid point. I think the larger crew is fitting for the MAX (it is larger and has more internal space for accomodation) and the DUR (geared towards exploration, there is a need for more people). Thanks for your input, I didn't really consider the different roles of the Freelancer family.

[@Biggiejohn]

I think clearance might be a bigger issue for the CL. People are constantly talking about the more scu in the CL over freelancer or spirit. We are pretty sure that the CL is shorter than the other 2. It's going to be cramped and tightly packed in that CL. Might not be taking the roc or other things in it.

[@Robert-Peterson]

Since the release of this video, they've upgraded the MAX to have 3 shield generators.

[@Nemoticon]

In terms of stats, the Freelancer is a solid ship... a little OP in crew capacity and very slow, sluggish in handling and speed. But I just can't stand its appearance, inside and out. I often pick up the Lancer MAX in game because it's convenient and cheap but I really don't like the ship's personality. I also HATE trying to exit the rear cargo bay of the Lancer, always accidentally getting into the turret at the back, lol. The Zeus being a new ship obviously has the advantage in terms of being a very polished model with all the details and interactable points around the ship.

[@sorecgaming]

One of my biggest pet peeves is that turret when exiting lol. But I think the new interactive system should correct that.

[@qdaniele97]

It's very likely the 2 size 4 fixed weapons on Zeus won't be replaceable with size 3 gimbaled ones. It looks like they are moving away from that concept and most new ships released in the last years didn't have that option. With ships of this size, that likely need to defend themselves against smaller ships, I think gimbals are almost required. And for that reason alone I would choose the Max over the Zeus CL any time. But then I remember that the Freelancers and Starfarers have the same cockpit visibility as some german bunkers I visited in Normandy a couple of years ago, so there is that to consider...

[@therealtjpek]

With master modes weapon rebalance, they are doing away with gimbals as an item. All the weapons that aren't bespoke will come with integrated gimbals (so no more downsizing to have gimbals), you'll have the choice when flying to activate those gimbals or not. If you choose to use the gimbals, you'll have aim assist but only half of your fixed rate of fire

[@Wandderer]

i liked this review, also listing up the comps and then checking out the layout and how the utility they provide can be delivered or impeted

[@sorecgaming]

UPDATE: A small correction at the 2:06 mark. The Zeus MKII CL as one additional size TWO shield. I mistakenly said the wrong size. Please refer to the RSI website for specs (robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/zeus-mk-ii/Zeus-Mk-II-CL). Provided by @EdmundRobinson, the Oct 2023 issue of Jump Point shows 3D interior of CL with 120 SCU and you cannot gimbal the nose size 4s on the CL. They are fixed hard points. (1:40)

[@jedi_drifter2988]

It also has 2 M hydrogen fuel tanks.

[@uberfu]

ZEUS SIZE 4 FIXED WEAPONS > Actually if you change to GIMBALED you would downgrade to SIZE 2 Gimbaled. As the Gimbal itself takes up a "size slot". That would be assuming the weapons could be gimbaled.

[@sernolstic4981]

A citizen con they announced gimbled weapons in the future will no longer be sized down and all weapons will be gimbled in the future. this means the zeus will have gimbled size 4 likely upon its release

[@schlagzahne6741]

Fun update, freelancers got 3x size 2 shields now

[@ozramblue117]

Zeus is supposed to also have extra armored plating compared to the other variants. Not sure how that will play out vs the Max. Worth remembering that the turret for the Max is a pair of size one guns. The turret on the CL packs a pair of size 3s. Alongside this push for larger guns is also a pair of size four missiles for the Zeus. Not sure how useful that will be though. It’s a very good comparison at the end. Both good ships though. I wonder about height for cargo bay. Max is a little taller if I’m not mistaken. Poor freelancers all need a modern update. Well done comparison! Liked and subbed.

[@Glathgrundel]

A lot of people don’t like the lower turret, but for ground suppression fire coming into a hot zone, it’s a lot more useful than the rear facing upper turret that’s blocked from forward fire on the Freelancers. We cannot really assess the Zeus until we get more statistics on speed, manoeuvrability and combat performance.

[@XellithUS]

Zues window gives you one hell of an advantage over the Max. Lack of situational awareness kills.

[@The_Real_WildMonkeyDog]

Good video. Personally, I keep seeing the comparisons and despite all the reasons I see to make the change to the Zeus, I am probably just going to stick with the Max. I’d would really like it if during the gold pass they add additional shielding to it and would prefer they replace the top turret with a tractor beam because that’s simply the one feature that keeps me looking at the Zeus.

[@CailenWolfe]

One thing to take into account on the tractor beam, it's been stated that eventually there will be some fine tune changes to the handheld tractor beam and ones built into ships/vehicles. The long term goal from CIG is that you can use the handheld for small things up to a certain capacity however for bigger items you will need a dedicated loading tractor beam or utilize various vehicles/equipment in the docks for loading/unloading. So we won't be able to pick up a giant container with just our handheld tool and whip it around lol

[@sorecgaming]

Good point! I know the dedicated hand held tractor beam will be much stronger than the multi-tool, but unsure how much stronger. My guess, ship tractor beams can carry up to 32scu containers, multi-tool will carry 1scu, and the hand held tractor beam for everything in between.

[@CailenWolfe]

@@sorecgaming id assume something like that, for balance sake they might try to space them. so i could see Multi being 1-2 SCU, Handheld working up to 16 SCU boxes, with the tractor being needed for anything above 16 SCU. though who knows they might add more tools or stronger stuff for handheld maybe some dedicated hanger equipment, like the cargo hauler shown in one of the videos thats basically an oversized pallet jack lol

[@malcolmden3357]

The Zeus is VERY NICE!!!!

[@Khemore]

I have a feeling the Zeus Cl is going to be bigger than they anticipate as i can't see how they are going to get all that stuff in it. :)

[@sorecgaming]

That would be interesting. If the URSA fits, that would be awesome but I’m doubtful that would be the case.

[@MrMagyarHunter]

Well, not gonna lie, i was all for the Freelancer Max, but tbh, right now, i'm heavily leaning toward the Zeus two, tho tbh i want to buy an Upgrade from the Max to the Zeus 2 CL tomorrow (2023 Invictus) just in case

[@sorecgaming]

I don’t believe you’ll be able to CCU from the MAX since it’s valued at the same price as the CL, but should be able from the base Freelancer.

[@therealtjpek]

I commend the visual work you've put into the video, but you're missing a lot of important info or misunderstood a lot of things while making this video: - With master modes and weapon rebalance coming (and most likely before the Zeus make it in game), you won't downsize your weapons anymore to have gimbals. All weapons that are not bespoke will come with gimbals, and you'll have the choice to activate them or not (activating gimbals make aiming easier but halves your fire rate). - The Zeus doesn't have 3xS3 shields but 3xS2 shields. That's not the same thing at all. They've also said that it's not following the rules we're used to when it comes to component balance as all ships will see changes to their components: CIG is redefining components and how they are balanced. - The Freelancer's turret isn't remote, it's a manend turret (while the Zeus does have a remote turret. - On both ships it looks like you won'be ablet o access the components when full of cargo (barely enough space to move around in the fully laoded freelancer, confirmed that cargo bay is inaccessible in the CL if full). This means that once engineering comes in, being fully loaded in these ships will have severe drawbacks

[@sorecgaming]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏼

[@DeepRunner1-y1l]

Also to my previous post I lived the Freelancer Max I highly recommend it for the 150 right now get it before the 10 year insurance is gone or get the cargo version of the Zeus and will most likely get another or reclaim my sold one with a coin,as far as the DUR they just didn't have enough working in the ship for proper exploration and it will have to be a wait and watch stance.thank you everyone and take care and see you in the verse Deep Runner 1 out.

[@harbringerf9416]

Ok really thorough examination. In fact probably the most extensive comparison on ships I have seen. Handling should be between the spirit and the max. Crusader ships are always better handing that's their thing. Speed should be comparable the aero of the Zeus balancing the capacitors of the max. Yes, it will be more limited as a verhicle transport, but you could just use the constellation for that. Cargo loading will be faster, no partition in the cargo area. Fuel consumption seems tied to ship size so I wouldn't expect huge difference there. Looks I hated the looks and handling of the MAX. Firepower is a clear win for the max though accessing the turret when loaded is an issue the Zeus will not have. Overall it will very much be what's your flavor. Personally I don't like viewing the world, though the toaster like opening for the cockpit in the MAX but I know people that love it. The MAX was never my favourite ship but it is very capable and well appointed. For me though I look forward to piloting my Zeus.

[@Legatus]

Gimbled weapons now no longer reduce size, so Zeus has clear advantage in firepower.

[@BDA1137]

Freelancer Max now comes with 3 shields

[@user_16309]

My first ship was a standard freelancer. If it weren’t for the turret structure intruding on the cargo bay, I’d still own it.

[@ChristopherJones16]

They fixed that and remove the turret prong things.

[@evobsm2328]

I love that we are getting more medium sized ships to daily drive like the c1 etc. Currently all it had been was the connie, freelancer and cutlass. Now we get the c1 and the zeus to compete in that same size range. Better options then the msr imo since that thing has no reall advantage other then being able to carry the ursa (currently). And it also has measly amounts of firepower for its size and same with the shields. It looks cool... but thats about it acctually. Dont get me wrong i love the msr. But comparing it to the zeus and c1 spirit etc those are the better daily drivers.

[@nolan6137]

3 S2 shields are great when using warp jumping to get out of a crap situation. Depending on the Zeus speed and added durability, might get you to safety.

[@legendlenos1175]

they said all guns will be gimbeld and the gimbels will not requir you to downsize wepons anymore, but this is in the next patch not now, but as i said in terms of fire power i think the cl will be better because it will be size 4 guns gimbled :D , with that said i love the rsi style more soo i have bought the zeus cl

[@wp2746]

Hi,would you compare the Zeus ES vs the Freelancer DUR for exploration please ? I love your format and subscribed ❤

[@WarEagle77]

Great video! I'm trying to decide if melting my second Freelancer Max for a Zeus CL is worth it as well. I like the Max but the rear turret has a limited firing arc and poor view making it pretty useless. It would probably be better as a remote turret like the CL. Keeping the crew together on the bridge. It flys like a brick in atmosphere as it should so its definitely more useful in space. All the Freelancers need an update pass to bring them up to current standards. I think we can expect them to be more like the Hull A when it's all done. But, I'm not sure. If the Max stays the way it is, then it's not worth keeping. But, if it gets an update. It might be the better option for long distance hauling in hostile space with its 4 engines while avoiding planetary flight completely.

[@vollrathvoid5216]

The design is wrong dude, the Zeus footprint is bigger than the Freelancer max beam and leng for almost 10m , the rest of the review is top , keep it up =)

[@MistaWells]

the fact that the zues comes stock with fixed size 4 guns implies the ship will be more maneuverable then other ships in this category. maybe at the cost of speed?

[@sorecgaming]

Maybe, we'll have to wait and see when released.

[@AWARHERO]

I use it on a daily basis for salvage and 1 person is more then enough to do those missions. 3 things i really dislike about the MAX: 1. The small cargo room (very hard to manually get crates in there) 2. It flies like a rock in Atmo. It is slow and underpowered. 3. The rear turret access often is in the way. If the Zeus has none of those issues then i will probably get one.

[@TheKarahan2011]

Without a tractor beam can't transport big scu crates. That's gonna be gone in the future. Lack of tractor beam in freelancer max means you can't salvage big cargo boxes.

[@Suranfox]

The turret on the Freelancer MAX is not remote. It's a manned turret.

[@DeepRunner1-y1l]

The gold upgrade is already been in the works is already covered some of the major changes to all 4 of the Freelancer models, some major changes to the max including possible reduction in crew to 3,increased width to the whole ship and complete layout change including cockpit and view,sleeping area with kitchen and better toilet and shower and eating area,air lock with suit storage as well as weapons storage, possible reduction of scu storage because the new airlock area will be in the center cargo area as is today,But the rest of the cargo area is to be enlarged,width and length,removal of turret ladder and seat for better vehicle loading and larger cargo to, I think it was 114 to 116 SCU, the cockpit will look closer to the hull A or the Prospector no final decision was made at that time,I am hoping for the prospector with that full glass cockpit floor to ceiling for It has the best view in the game to me,with the pilot seat to the front center and the two remaining seats slightly behind to the left and right of the pilot but with full visibility like the pilot.the rear turret will now be fully remote from the cockpit removing the need for an 4th person in the crew as well as creature comforts for 3 is easier to achieve with less space,but all compartments on the ship looks as if enlargement is coming to at least 1 scu in width and length to the front sections of the ship and 2 scu in the width of the main Cargo area so the overall ship will be much larger.Hopefully they increase the height of the ceiling in the cargo area to at least 1/2 scu in height or more and the rear door for larger land or small flightcraft. great job on the video I did buy all 3 versions of the RSI Zeus MK II CL,ES and the MR.upgraded my Freelancer, freelancer DUR,Freelancer Max and my Freelancer Miss.Also got the F8 C Lightning so all in all I think an overall improvement but I may return to my freelancers if they finally get a good gold standard but who knows when?

[@sorecgaming]

Whoa, this is news to me. I’ve seen video updates on the components being included now. Do you have any reference links? I would like to include this with my description. Thanks for sharing this. 👍🏼

[@ChristopherJones16]

Whats your opinion now on the Zeus vs the Freelancer Max.. I'm debating if I should melt down my Max and upgrade my Cyclone to the Zeus since I cant downgrade the Max to a Zeus (theyre both $150 which is stupid that we cant swap ships of the same price in Ship Upgrades). I have the Max(LTI), ROC DS(LTI), and Cyclone(LTI). I was going to upgrade the Max to the Connie Taurus but I dont really like the way the Connie looks... it whole landing gear, and elevator mechanics... meh.

[@donnys2965]

I love the Max and I only see it getting better with gold pass

[@chalky042]

Absolutely CL for me, tractor beam is going to be safer as you stay closer to the bridge to fly if you need to leave and the design for me is so much better

[@Dr4g0n36]

Zeus will have component access locked while fully loaded (they are under the cargo grid)

[@mustrumridcully3853]

There is an inherent issue with the Zeus. A dev has confirmed the Zeus CL will BLOCK access to components when full of cargo. That could be a significant issue in some circumstances.

[@sorecgaming]

I think it’s weird that they would design a ship where the cargo grid blocks critical components. I would much rather have less SCU with proper spacing.

[@mustrumridcully3853]

@@sorecgaming I totally agree and if it holds as I said, it's an inherent issue. The actual wording -" RSI has accepted that this will block access to your ship components meaning if something goes wrong you're going to have a hard time doing repairs. For some people that risk is acceptable, for others it isnt worth it" This was said by MGibson@CIG

[@Rage6th]

Great video. I have a MAX i bought with real money but thinking to trade in for the CL. Do we konw prizing on the cl? borh real and ingame money.

[@sorecgaming]

Thanks! The MAX and CL are the same price with real money, but remember that the CL is at a pre-release price. It may go up after its release. As for in-game, we won’t know what the CL will be. Best guess is similar to the MAX but slightly more.

[@James-mq5zh]

The gimballs no longer need a size down, how would that affect your ratings.

[@GimbleOnDew]

Still waiting for the front landing gear stairs and the rotating engines on the freelancer. If it gets those I'll still take my Max over the Zeus

[@ChristopherJones16]

Did they promise that?

[@jewelz4952]

Should have compared with the C1 Spirit too

[@sorecgaming]

The main reason I left out the C1 was due to less SCU in comparison. 64 vs 128/120. But the C1 has been great for 3.24.

[@pitanpainter2140]

Thanks for this. I often use a ROC DS with my MAX. Seems that won't be an option with the Zeus? OT: Yes, I prefer the DS to the standard ROC, you have a better power window, and can work rocks from further away, so lower risk if things go wrong.

[@ChristopherJones16]

I am wondering this.. Have you found out if the roc DS will fit into the zeus or not?

[@pitanpainter2140]

@@ChristopherJones16 Sorry, I haven't tried the Zeus, but doubt it will carry the ROC DS.

[@EdmundRobinson]

The Oct 2023 issue of Jump Point shows 3D interior of CL with 120 SCU.

[@sorecgaming]

Thanks for the info 👍🏼

[@TheEVEInspiration]

So far no-one seems to have commented on the tractor beam position in the concept art. How can it service cargo inside the ship, when it is located above the cargo hold ceiling line?

[@sorecgaming]

From the looks of it, by having it extended out with a rotating head, you should be able to see inside the cargo bay. Not sure how much of a view you would have inside, or maybe it’s intended to place cargo in front only. We just have to wait and see when released.

[@Skittleshunter64]

Really hoped the zeus had gimbled size 4 guns

[@Overteacher]

This is a very good and professionell Video 🎉

[@sorecgaming]

Thank you! 😃

[@sebc8938]

If the Zeus has 128 SCU of cargo, that would mean 4 big 32 SCU cargo containers. The Max on its side will be very complex and long to load with a small 12 SCU internal cargo bay and a big 110 ones that will not fit the bigger containers and many small containers. Cargo legacy ships are doomed by that with manual loading/unloading.

[@sorecgaming]

I suspect CIG will modernize/update legacy ships to better accommodate the direction cargo is headed, but to your point, that’s probably limited unless a complete redesign. We’ll see in time.

[@DontAskWhy868]

price?

[@jetsimmer]

Has anyone pledged for the Zeus Mk2 CL? And if so which Loaner Ship did they provide for use until the Zeus goes live in the game?

[@sorecgaming]

The Spirit C1 is the current loaner for the Zeus CL - support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003093114-Loaner-Ship-Matrix

[@Glathgrundel]

I’ve had a Base, a Max and now a MIS … great ships, poor visibility. I have entered through the top hatch from EVA.

[@EdmundRobinson]

1:40 You cannot gimbal the nose size 4s on the CL. They are fixed hard points.

[@sorecgaming]

Thanks for the info 👍🏼

[@shive7501]

They still plan to do away with gimbal lowering a weapon size I believe. Larger guns with gimbal, My 600i will be a happy girl.

[@thefryinallofus]

@@shive7501 Yes with the master modes change - the trade-off with gimbals being a rate of fire decrease.

[@shive7501]

@thefryinallofus I am okay with slower fire rate, seeing as I prefer repeaters anyway.

[@edenyan7237]

By now, after these many years, CIG should know that people who spend 150 USD on one single mid-hauler are likely someone has no interet in PVP and mostly just fly solo, so freelancer's cockpit is really sucks, player can only use like 20-25% of the room, most of its space are wasted and the cockpit front window gives shitty views. A Haul-A style or prospector style cockpit will be more fitting, since lets just be practical: mid-size hauler plays alone.

[@sorecgaming]

I’m curious to see if how much of a change the Freelancer series will get during a gold pass. The Prospector is awesome but not ideal, but the Haul A windshield should be the MISC standard.

[@mynameisprivate158]

Large radar on the Zeus means you will be able to spot trouble from a much greate distance and GTFO!

[@duramirez]

Why not compare it with the Taurus though? it is a medium size cargo hauler. 🤔

[@mustrumridcully3853]

Cost - it's that bit more.

[@duramirez]

@@mustrumridcully3853 oh 🤔

[@mustrumridcully3853]

@@duramirez Plus it could also be a size class larger too, these difference matter when the size of jump holes comes into play.

[@duramirez]

@@mustrumridcully3853 but the Taurus is Medium size, it is a "large" Medium, but still a Medium.

[@durtyred86]

The Taurus is a step up in every way. Both the Zeus CL and MAX are set to have the same amount of cargo space too. They're true competitors.

[@jujum4243]

4 people in a freelancer is too much. It's a waste of space and money. You have to make money for 4 peoples when 2 are enough (let's say 3 : pilot+turret+engineer). The Zeus CL look better in every thing except defense.