Should you buy the Zeus Mk II deep dive

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[@schlagzahne6741]

Never buy it based on projected stats. I buy because dorito shape

[@kishkin8743]

I wish they would have put a science station on the exploration version.

[@brianreck5971]

I upgraded to Zeus from C1 immediately.

[@mrp55net]

The Connie v. Zeus Mk II comparison that mattered the most is that the Zeus CL can pass through a medium jump point. The Taurus requires a large jump point.

[@DanakarEndeel]

I wouldn't put much stock in jumppoint sizes as of yet tbh and what you say seems to rely on very old (and likely outdated) information dating back to 2013 or so. You see, it makes absolutely no sense that there are only 3 types of jumppoints and that the Large one suddenly allows anything from Constellation to a Bengal carrier that's over a mile long. As such I suspect that we will either see many more sizes for jumppoints (maybe size 1-10) or that a LOT more ships will be able to pass through a Medium jumppoint while the Large ones are reserved for ships like the Bengal/Kingship/Retribution. 🙂

[@xiuhtezcatl8161]

Really ? I didnt know there will be medium and large jump points

[@shadow7037932]

@@DanakarEndeel CIG will most certainly have some metric to control which ships can go through which jump points. Otherwise, it makes most of the small/medium ships useless after a good part of the player base has in game UEC to afford large ships.

[@shh532]

@@DanakarEndeel JP size gameplay has to be years away... the pyro jp will be the first in and the next closest large jp for pyro is like, 7 systems away from stanton. So yeah, I wouldn't worry.

[@scribblescrabble3185]

@@xiuhtezcatl8161 There is or was in the original conception of the jumppoints. You can see them on the ARK starmap. But CIG already stated that this will change and they are working on a new metrik for jumppoints sizes and what ships can go through. You can find that line in the Q&A on the Zeus Mk II. Also stated there that the Zeus is going to be able to go through the smaller sized JPs.

[@RenstashMCDS]

The ES is exactly what I'm looking for in an exploration ship, super excited for this series.

[@julioreyes4698]

Not gonna lie, I straight up bought the ES and the CL right after the Con ended Sunday. Don't matter to me if CIG changes the stats on them or not. This ship just looks too damn good! Take my money CIG! 😂

[@juanvelez6483]

SAME I GOT THE PACK

[@stepbrobiwankenobi]

🤣🤣this was me too. I bought the standard ES and the Warbond MR XD

[@GregBourne]

I see the ES as being my Jumpaconda. I love love love solo exploration, dorito ships, and man that paint job just adds some credibility to the exploration lineage. Side story, I think I spent 100s of hours jumping from system to system in an Anaconda in Elite Dangerous and just pinging a whole system while fuel scooping. After I was full I'd evaluate if the planets in this system were worth further and more detailed scans or not.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes its was really cool to see their plans for scanning and that will be really interesting gameplay to set QT beacon pins on a map and sell the data to other players!

[@kebasor]

Keep in mind that this ship is really designed for a min crew of two due to the fixed guns up front. If you get into a fight with anything small enough to fight, you'll need that turret manned to actually hit anything. Otherwise, you'll be counting on being able to escape into quantum.

[@GregBourne]

@@kebasor I mean, I never had weapons in my Jumpaconda in ED either haha.

[@nerdglider]

Yeah I wasn’t expecting this ship to be THIS good

[@ZyvhurStudios]

me either honestly, I think CIG is making more ships based on how players are playing the game

[@onik7000]

Thats called "power creep" - Power creep refers to the gradual unbalancing of .... video game ... due to the release of new content, leaving older content underpowered.

[@shaftoe195]

@@onik7000 It's not power creep if previous ships were idiotically designed from the start! CIG figures out the right way. It only makes sense that older ships be remade to be more useful, rather than more new ships be handicapped from release.

[@SCTimbal]

Geeat breakdown, and asking some really good questions. Subscribed!

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much!

[@its-sneaky-b8502]

This info is soo good I just picked up the mr as an upgrade you my friend just got itself a sun ima def keep following this channel xd

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much! I had to get a few ccus for these myself :)

[@CaptainSF]

Solid review of the ship line! Thanks.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Glad you liked it!

[@anonymousontheinternet1309]

ES also gets S3 fuel tank compared to the others' 2x S2, and it gets S3 radar instead of S2

[@NICENICENICENICENICE]

When will the Q&A be? I really like the clipper

[@MatthewGleed]

Great comments and analysis. Subscribed.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you!

[@kingdedede9135]

I love your passion! Subscribed.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much!

[@donnytheflow]

with the constellation aquila at 90+ scu and able to fit an ursa, it stands to reason that it should be able to fit into the CL

[@repeatmetic2444]

I'll definitely will get the Clipper when it is released in-game. I currently fly a Freelancer MAX as a daily driver

[@rockon88888888]

A turret on the belly can give good cover against opponents while landed, against land based attacks or those on foot.

[@johnpi2608]

Heck no, not the daily flyer… that’s what the 890J is

[@venosepticgaming3864]

Yea I love this, did buy the CL or did CCU from my Cutless black :D

[@Time2gojoe]

For me the perfect ship is the carrack.. got a rover bay and a small hangar. Perfect long-term home.

[@VladTheImpaler_v2]

It's too bad the cargo doors don't work for loading and unloading cargo

[@robopenguin5501]

Too bad no pilot controlled weapons, otherwise I would agree. I also think it will be annoying trying to find people to run multicrew ships that big in the future.

[@f3nixfire]

I absolutely love this ship design! Im gonna have to pick up a Zeus MKII MR!

[@Pharesm]

Great assessment and review! I'm subscribing to your channel! I have a 400i and I tentatively bought the Zeus ES. I have a 600i, and I'm tending toward dropping the 400i in favor of using the Zeus in Pyro for scouting. The missing map table is a concern and lastly, I find the very cramped tapeworm interior my biggest concern. The 400i has an interior I consider "tight" in a good way. but the Zeus, I'm doubtful. The 4 S2 shields vs 1 S3 shield might be advantageous in the wild, because you could lose a shield and still have more shields left than the 400i.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you for subbing, these class of ships are very interesting :)

[@DeshaSama]

I have the same feeling about 400i, it seems so cramped

[@ozramblue117]

Pretty good review! New sub here. I ended up getting all three but have no illusions about the effectiveness of the design. It all depends on how nimble they are, how much power they have to boost and the speffective size of the weapons capacitor. If it doesn’t handle well it will be in trouble.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much! :) balance will be interesting for sure, cig will probably tells us more about the components soon

[@Lord_IckisDickus]

Bro the Connie’s have NEEDED an update for a long ass while…

[@davedanter]

I buy every ship/Vehicle and Paints, as you just never know if and when your expectations or career path will change, they often do. I don't ever spend any real money as ive over $1100 Instore Credit, best thing i ever did in Star Citizen was stay away from CCU's and build in a healthy credit nest egg . Haven't spent more than $90 in real money in 3 yrs, nearly everything goes into BuyBack, and its their in perpetuity. The Zeus are a nice addition to the backlog, waiting on the Perseus/Odyssey and Galaxy/Railen. Great time to be in the verse.

[@forestdweller6233]

Amazing times...future looking good.....

[@gruker]

Very good info. 3rd time watching it lol. Thinking of replacing my corsair with the ES. Have a 600i for exploration and just wanting something smaller for a daily. Ethier the ES or a C1. Hmm.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much! :)

[@bunsofglory173]

thank you for the video. convinced me to buy one lol. cheers friend :)

[@ZyvhurStudios]

glad you enjoyed it!

[@mitchthepreacher1512]

Melting my Freelancer MAX to go Zeus CL as we speak :)

[@Noid_Cave]

I have been on the fence for buying a MSR. Not now. looks like i will be buying my first concept ship. the CL may be my next DD.

[@kebasor]

If you were looking to get an MSR for just cargo running, I can see replacing it with a Zeus. However, remember the MSR is also equipped to operate as a data runner, which the Zeus won't do. As always, the right ship for the right job 😁

[@MOTHexe]

I am still looking for a ship that can replace my corsair as a my favorite daily driver. I like the A1 I got as a loaner for my Zeus ES I bought, but we will see. Also, I would really like for suit lockers to function so I could keep some on board and displayed/easy to get on and off.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes I'm excited for the Zeus and suit lockers

[@-Cesh-]

Really enjoyed your break down! Its too bad they can't just put this info in the actual shop when buying the ships. They give so little info.

[@_Fishe_]

Does the clipper not feel like a power creep to anyone else? Why even have a freelancer max now? To my understanding this ship is better in every way. Any thoughts on that Z?

[@rtek777]

I'm got CCUs for all 3 plus a lot of extras for CCU chains after they release and their prices go up

[@Nemoticon]

I'm actually considering downgrading my 400i for the Zeus ES and then picking up a medical Pisces with the spare change. The Q&A is going to be very interesting when it drops!

[@DeepTitanic]

I wanna know what the top speed is.. I think people underestimate how important it is to be able to outrun other players. Prob sticking with 400i & MSR. Imagine you're in Pyro getting chased down by pirates, yes you have the shields what does that matter if you can't outrun their fighters? Even if the ES is as fast as a 400i then it's still only got a turret on the bottom. M50's/Interceptors would be all over you and the 400i has both top and bottom turrets.

[@TheLoneLlama]

It’d be awesome if you could fit the Pisces in the back of the Zeus

[@Nemoticon]

@@TheLoneLlama Hahaha, would it? But the Pisces doesn't even fit in the MSR, so unfortnuately that was never gonna be an option, lol.

[@Nemoticon]

@@DeepTitanic You're not wrong... I've been tinking thse detals over my self. I'm probably gonna keep the 400i because it has straight line speed, S3 shield and a ton of hull strength. But then again, the Zeus has a large rader and the 400i only has a medium! And I really want a serious explorer as well as the ability to carry a Cyclone!!!

[@TheLoneLlama]

@@Nemoticon lol we can always dream

[@iso5474]

yea deff gotta work more hrs to grab this one 🔥🤣😭

[@brentschmogbert]

10:20 does anyone know why here the Quantum Fuel Tank size is indicated with 1xS2 but on other ships on rsi site it just says L/M/S ? How many Liters is s2?

[@thorseely]

great content. keep it up!

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Thank you so much!

[@BuckBrah]

I love the aesthetic of the Spirit C1, but this ship is just way better in almost any way so swapping for the CL and using a Spirit loaner was a no brainer.

[@Jangmo_SC]

The C1 is going up in price when it comes out, so buy the ccu from the Razor for $5 and wait on release

[@its-sneaky-b8502]

What’s the razor?

[@SCTimbal]

Excellent point, or from the Hornet Tracker since it's always available in store and the Razor is not, and it's only $10 USD.

[@Tiberious_Of_Elona]

Appreciate you ty for this

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you :)

[@needy3535]

hey i know this is a bit of an older vid but would the mr and es be able to carry rocs?? armories are neat and stuff but i honestly am not super interested in the bounty hunting since im not sure ehat itll look like. but it looks cool! any idea??

[@ZyvhurStudios]

yes I believe they can, but the CL will probably be the best option for carrying vehicles

[@psycheisssdelic]

its the aesthetic/style ive been waiting for, basically my dream design

[@ZyvhurStudios]

same! I'm a real sucker for a Dorito shaped ship :)

[@gameslouis4444]

Nice vidéo dude !

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much :)

[@user-dg5pu6gt1v]

ahhh, I wish there is a small to medium size exploration ship that can fit a medical rover and have great handling. the only ship I could think of is the MSR

[@spiritofsound8469]

Got this recommended because of the "deep dive" part. YT labeled it as DeepRockGalactic content. Rock and Stone lol.

[@MatthewGleed]

Haha, that's what I play when not in SC.

[@o0lunchboxxx0o91]

I’m going to use my Zeus in the future as a parts finder and a mobile repair ship like do u need a new quantum drive let me go to my parts storage and see if I got one might not be the one u want but it’s the one that will get you home Same if u need some coolers or really anything I’m shooting for a roadside assistance company in the verse as a start of my career in star citizen

[@tonic9539]

the MR is the cutlass blue if the blue was made today.

[@tequila6955]

The newer design language CIG is using looks amazing.

[@Verinia]

This is the type of content I want!! I just wish we knew more about exploration. What's the difference between a s1, s2, and s3 radar? Does CIG even know yet?!

[@ZyvhurStudios]

I'm not sure about the differences but I think gathering the data and possibly selling it could be cool

[@ozramblue117]

I love the look of the line. I love the internal design. I’m a little worried the weapons package doesn’t fit with the roles and thruster layout. I hope they make it agile enough to put those guns on target. The bottom remote turret has limited coverage and only the MR has the top one.. regardless a ship that size shouldn’t have to rely on a pair of size 3 guns for the majority of its dps. In the same vein it only packs 8 size 2 missiles. That’s not terribly much.

[@petrcoufal1747]

Missiles are size 4

[@ozramblue117]

@@petrcoufal1747 I doublechecked that. They’re size 2. It’d be kinda cool if they were size four though.

[@MoltenMoronBeats]

Upgrading my Spirit C1 to a Zeus MK2 CL, was a no brainer to me, when it comes to pure intern SCU.

[@Funkm4ster96]

Im very excited the the CL as its going to replace the C1 that i never got to fly lmao. The MR is an interesting ship for bounty hunting at least from the gameplay that they have mentioned. This ship seems way more like a police/quick response security forces and less of actively searching out bounties but thats just me. I havent decieded if i want to bite the bullet and also get a MR as well. The bed situation seems a bit strange as in some pictures it shows 2 beds but shows 3 beds in the whitebox phase demo?

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Me too I was not expecting this much from this ship :)

[@julioreyes4698]

That 3rd bed is facing the other two beds but you can't see it in the cutout view because that wall is removed.

[@Funkm4ster96]

@@julioreyes4698 ahh ok that makes sense!

[@syllysayanami5032]

I see this line of ships more as competition for the Freelancer series. I got myself an ES to replace my DUR but kept my MAX as it looks to be better at punching holes in things. The Freelancer DUR is lacking decent crew quarters for me to believe you can use it for Exploration. The ES seems to solve this issue and all stats are close enough. I'm waiting to see if the Quantum fuel will be enough and if the ES also comes with low consumption Jump engines but we'll see.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes! these are very comparable to the freelancers and they seem like good alternatives

[@kebasor]

One thing to also keep in mind is the fuel refinery on the DUR, which is going to change the actual range of the ship. I see the ES as a more defensive ship that can operate a slightly larger ground vehicle and requires at least two people to work well, while the DUR is more flexible ship that has considerably more combat capability (more and more accurate weaponry) and is better for a single operator.

[@syllysayanami5032]

@@kebasor Yes, the refinery in the DUR can be a real game changer. The biggest issue I have with the DUR compared to the Zeus ES is that at least the Zeus seems to have decent living accomodations. The DUR can stay long in space but I'm not sure I could live in there for extended periods of time. I would love the DUR to be remade or at least have the option to strip 2 chairs and 2 beds to have more space to relax for pilot and co pilot.

[@kebasor]

​​@@syllysayanami5032 Well, the Freelancer DUR is among the oldest ships in the game, and the interior reflects that. Also, the ship is built as a sort of half-combat/half-explorer freighter variant so yeah, compromises were made to keep it nimble, small, but still able to support up to 4 for a long time. I'll note the living area on the Zeus is partially removed by the cutout illustration, so it's not complete. Finally, there's nothing wrong with making habitation a priority. The Zeus sits in the middle between the DUR and 400i in this regard. I was just noting the Zeus in no way replaced the DUR, just offered a more defensive option for those who won't be flying solo. And that's best, since each offers things that make them valuable to different people.

[@syllysayanami5032]

@@kebasor I fully understand this and agree that the Freelancer might need a rework in the future. As it is, in a lot of ways, I prefer the original Freelancer that didn't have all those bulkheads the "new" one has. Gave it a lot more space then the current one. Hoping they get it right at some point in the future as, at the moment, I see the Freelancer more for a short term exploration vessel. I still love the Freelancer esthetic though and will keep my MAX until the heat death of the universe and might come back to the DUR once the ES is in game or they remake the Freelancer DUR to have more living accomodations.

[@TheJoGeLu]

Will it be an ok daily driver? I love my C1 but I like doing cargo runs + being flexible to fit a full crew if I want

[@ZyvhurStudios]

I think it will, its smaller, has more crew, more shields, more cargo (if you go with the CL) and has an exit in the front so you don't have to walk to the back to exit

[@TheJoGeLu]

@@ZyvhurStudios Do you know if the CL will be able to jump between systems? Can the C1 jump between systems?

[@billmacia4092]

I'm waiting for my C1, but damn after seeing the Zeus mk2. The C1 clearly need a buff, because why would you buy a C1? Edit: I check the 400i has 42scu vs 32 scu for the zeus. Remember if you want a vehicule you will loses some scu of cargo in the zeus unlike in the 400i you can have a bike and still hold the 42scu. And 1 size 3 shield is better than 4 size 2. So I think the 400i is still better, but for the price the zeus is really good.

[@ChannelHandlePending]

Dont forget, the ES also gets a size 3 radar too which is a size up than the one ships like the aquila gets iirc

[@karmacappa]

I know this is an older video, but I'd just like to point out that when you talk about the only turret on the ES being on the underside, you might not be completely correct. If you look at the technical overview on the RSI site for the ES and click on the Utility Items under weapons, though the hex is empty, it will still tell you that there is a Radar Scanner Turret on this ship. So it could be like the Constellation Aquila where the top turret has scanner functionality rather than weapons functionality, but being that it is a remote radar turret, it doesn't need to have visible weapon hardpoints. While the large radar is designed to offer greater detection range to the pilot passively, radar scanner turrets are designed to offer further bonuses to active scanning gameplay.

[@lunch7553]

Damn, I really like the C1 engines design, but this dropped…

[@Ryecrash617]

That 128 SCU of cargo on the CL looks tempting but I can't bring myself to melt my LTI MSR for a 120 month insurance Zeus CL.

[@golgoth74]

same for me even if i dont feel really safe in the msr (less than in a 400i for example)

[@MooneShadow]

MSR didn't age well. I have one too and have been waiting for that second exit. I even have the special black and gold paint that CIG screwed up on and gave us a crappy version of it. (NIGHT RUNNER PAINT) However now that these have come out it needs the following updates. 1. Upgraded weapons 2. Second exit 3. More maneuverability and or speed. It's a runner and it can't outrun jack chit. 4. Rework the interior for wasted space. For example, server rooms should be behind locked doors. Seriously!!! It's the prime function of the ship. It's prime cargo! 5 component room needs locks on those doors. 6. Doors need to be controlled so we can lock some doors and leave others open... 7. One of my biggest gripes is the loooooooonnnnngggg as F00k animation for seats... 💺 I just want bucket seats with a quick animation. And spare seats if friends want to sit up front. 8. No suit lockers... I mean I can go on and on...The MSR is a growing disappointment for me even though I love it and won't get rid of it. It's just sad...

[@redsamurai6586]

Surprised you didn't cover the ST shown in the Citizencon panel when cover the Zues...It was the last picture they showed before moving on to the next segment. Still awesome coverage, keep up the content.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

thank you so much, and yes I will absolutely make a video on that too I think CIG are saving it and the other cutter variant for IAE

[@redsamurai6586]

@@ZyvhurStudios I agree they might, but some people say racing, but if you look at it, there are more guns. Why would they add more guns to a racing ship 😂 I think ST stands for strike assault stealth ship or something 😛

[@ZyvhurStudios]

@@redsamurai6586 That makes sense, I've seen some say luxury, but a gun ship version seems to fit better as the connie line has the andromeda gunship

[@davidlister7590]

I do worry a little the stats look like there going to greatly overshadow the Spirit the C1 likely getting the worst of it but i am hoping the speed and manpower needed will balance it otherwise the Spirit line is going to be screwed due to the Zeus been better.

[@Apocryph0n.]

That's like saying the Connie overshadows a C1. The C1 is a small cutty competitor, this is a medium Multicrew ship.

[@davidlister7590]

@@Apocryph0n. That is a poor troll or you do not know anything about the ships. Incase its the latter the C1 and Zeus CL are going to be almost the same size but the CL has triple the shields and Cargo and roughly the same firepower. The Conni on the other hand is much bigger than both the C1 and CL packs a lot more firepower and shields and hull HP and is slower. The C1 and CL are small Medium ships and the Conni is a large Medium as its much bigger the C1 might be as wide due to the wings but that is empty space.

[@Apocryph0n.]

@@davidlister7590 Yes I do know that, since I am sitting on a Cutlass, an A1 and a Connie. and the only thing that makes the A1 bigger is useless wings, not actually usable interior space. Comparing a 48 SCU ship to a 100+ SCU ship tells me you are the troll in this conversation.

[@davidlister7590]

@@Apocryph0n. Same size ships same price same roles i guess i am trolling better compair it to a kraken as there almost nothing alike.

[@Apocryph0n.]

@@davidlister7590 yeah Initial concept price point. I also have a 250 dollar BMM and you don't see me comparing it to the MSR. Also the C1 is 110USD. The Zeus 150. The freelancer max is more of a comparison than the C1... But since this seems to be your first concept Sale, enjoy the ride and have a great day o7

[@ThatBigRedBear]

I should've gotten the ES instead of the MR. I upgraded an LTI nox so I don't want to downgrade and lose LTI

[@ZyvhurStudios]

You might be able to if you have a buyback token available, I would check the buyback tab on your account as we get 2 each yearly quarter

[@nolan6137]

The C1 is an amazing ship but it will need a 2nd shield to sort of remain relevant.

[@639wheeler]

I got myself a mr, I'm excited to fly it, it will be awesome for when i can get my stepson and wife to play with me, I'm really considering melting something and getting either the cargo or exploration version

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes that ship looks like a lot of fun for a group :)

[@its-sneaky-b8502]

I upgraded to the mr if you want I could play with you while you wait for them to get the game :]

[@639wheeler]

@@ZyvhurStudios that's the whole plan, I got my buddy I fly with as well, so if I can't get my family to jump on with me then we only have to find one other person, it would be nice to get a group of people together, since my friend and I combined have a few different ships that need more then 2 people to really operate

[@ZyvhurStudios]

@@639wheeler sounds like fun :)

[@DanakarEndeel]

Personally I'm not really all that amazed by the ES and CL to be honest. The MR seems to be the most interesting of the bunch but the others are not that special to me. 🙂 For exploration I already have the 400i, 600i, and Carrack while for cargo transport I have a Taurus and Hercules C2. I didn't have any real bountyhunting ship yet and that Zeus MR looks like a Mantis and Cutlass Blue rolled into one. So while I did get a CCU to both the CL and MR; I think I may only get an MR in the end while using the CL for a CCU-chain.

[@TheLoneLlama]

I think what makes them special when compared to all of the ships you just named is that they are going to be able to be flown solo, once engineering hits all of the ships you mentioned are going to need a crew of three or four. You won’t be able to just go out on your own and explore the way you will with the Zeus, plus it’s a medium ship and can go through the smaller jump points, which none of those other ships can do either.

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@TheLoneLlama Lengthy response incoming in 3...2...1... Every ship in my list can be *flown* by just 1 person. In case you didn't notice but the Zeus is also listed as a multicrew ship with a crew of 3 people. The Taurus has a crew of only 2 according to the brochure, the Hercules C2 has a crew of only 2, the 400i has a crew of just 3 people, the 600i has a crew of 5, while only the Carrack tops the list with a max crew of 6. But each of these ships can still be *flown* by just 1 person; you just need additional players (or NPCs/blades) in order to operate the turrets. With engineers you would simply need 1 extra person (or an NPC Engineer); which also includes the Zeus as it's also a multicrew ship. So I don't know why you brought this up as there doesn't appear to be any real benefit for the Zeus there with regards to operating it when several of them have an equal or even lesser crew requirement. Additionally, we still do not know much about how jumppoints are really going to work and what the size limitations will be. Now unless they touched upon it during Citizencon; to my knowledge all the info we have is from some stuff dating back 6+ years or so. It would also make zero sense that a Constellation Taurus (for example) would suddenly need a Large jumppoint while that same jumppoint is also used by a *much* larger Vanduul Kingship. Also, the Carrack has special antennae with which to stabilize and widen jumppoints; allowing it to traverse smaller ones. At least that's what CIG devs told us about the function of those antennae back in the day. Lastly, the Pyro-Stanton jumppoint was listed as Medium on the ARK Starmap. The XenoThreat pirates also originate from Pyro and they were able to bring Idris Frigates through the Pyro-Stanton jumppoint. As such it seems that you only need a Medium jumppoint for Frigate-sized ships now. 🙂 So most of the ships I have listed have similar crew requirements to the Zeus (with the exception of the Carrack and 600i) while we still do not know exactly which size ships will fit through which size jumppoints. However, according to all the information we have at hand it seems that a lot more ships will be able to pass through 'smaller' jumppoints compared to what was originally stated (that a Freelancer would be the largest ship to fit through a Medium jumppoint). I suspect that all the ships I listed will easily fit through a Medium jumppoint while the Carrack might even be able to squeeze through a Small jumppoint thanks to its speciallized antennea array which are meant to widen and stabilize jumppoints. We will have to wait and see if that will still be the case in the end though... 😉 Apologies for the large post by the way. I just figured your post deserved a longer explanation.

[@TheLoneLlama]

@@DanakarEndeel So the problem with that is all of those ships you just named are still classified as large ships. There would not be a point in having different sizes of jump points if they let large ships go through whichever ones they wanted, it’s extremely likely that none of those ships, due to be being large ships, are going to fit through a medium jump gate. NPC crews are many years away still, for a large ship it is once again unlikely that you can get away with a crew of just two. Maybe you’ll be able to fly it okay but if anything happens it’s going to be hard to recover. For the Zeus being a medium ship it is likely that a crew size of between one and two will work perfectly well however more is always better, despite that you will have a clear solo advantage compared to large ships that are being made for multi crew gameplay. The large ships however are simply going to require more crew and especially in the likely 5 plus years in between getting engineering and getting NPC crews you will need a minimum of three people to fly those large ships properly. The only one I could see you getting away with is the 400i due to it being on the smaller side of the large ship lineup, but even then, I think it’s unlikely. Ships have size classifications for a reason and the realities of engineering are going to come as a rude awakening for a lot of large ship owners.

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@TheLoneLlama We can both keep speculating until we're blue in the face and it wouldn't change anything. To me it's simply silly to believe that a Constellation needs the same size jumppoitn as a 2 kilometer long Kingship. All that was based on info from a time when the Constellation was the largest flyable ship out there. In its present day it simply doesn't make any sense anymore. I already told you that the Pyro-Stanton jumppoint is Medium; yet Xenothreat was able to come from Pyro to Stanton with Idris frigates. This means that frigate-sized ships can apparently traverse Medium jumppoints now. Just think logically instead of blindly latching onto old data as if it's set in stone because it isn't. Everything is subject-to-change; this includes any and all info we may have had regarding jumppoints told to us back in 2013-2015. You don't know and I don't know. All I know is what CIG shows me. However, making statements as if they are fact is something you shouldn't be doing. Not when all that information is still up in the air and subject to change. EDIT: Also I find it rather hilarious that you judge ships primarily by their size instead of the crew listings from CIG. The 400i only has 3 beds and 3 stations. It will never need more crew as it was built for 3 people. The Taurus and C2 were built for 2 people regardless of their size. You don't need an army of players just to operate those ships. Only the 600i and Carrack have a max crew requirement of 5 and 6 respectively but CIG has already stated that turrets (even manned turrets) can be automated with AI blades depending on how many computer slots you're willing to give up. Heck, the Perseus already comes with 2 automated turrets by default so effectively it only needs 3 people to fully operate it (1 pilot plus 2 gunners); and that's a ship the size of a corvette. 😉

[@TheLoneLlama]

@@DanakarEndeel I mean I don’t believe CIG is incompetent but I do believe making large and medium ships have no difference as far as maintenance requirements and usability for a solo player would be incompetent. If you think about it logically it just doesn’t make any sense to allow large ships to be able to get away with the same things that medium ships can. That is an educated guess as it is based on the information we have available, mainly their size classifications. I know it is difficult to picture because every ship can currently be flown solo but if CIG allowed ships that are classified as large to be flown just as easily as ships that are smaller then that would be a massive mistake from a gameplay standpoint. I know you want that to be the case, it just doesn’t make any sense.

[@Rocketeer843]

I wonder if I can use the EMP and Dampener of the MR as Pilot or if I need a Copilot ?

[@OddballsHobbyChannel]

Seeing the Antares you most likely need a copilot

[@ulfhampel9160]

Might be, but when you have a crew of 3, one pilot and two crew for the remote turrets who will operate the EMP and Dampener?

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Great question, the Q&A should come out soon with more info on that, but most likely.

[@OddballsHobbyChannel]

@@ulfhampel9160 On the Hercules there is 1 crewmember that needs to operate 2 turrets.

[@DanakarEndeel]

They might force it onto a co-pilot even though they are already needed for those two remote turrets. As such I sincerely hope CIG does the logical thing and allows the pilot to use those EMP systems as the pilot has the best knowledge on when to deploy the EMP/Dampener. I just hope they won't pull another Antares as I always felt that forcing the EMP onto a second person in the Antares was just a stupid idea. It's just forcing multiplayer onto a ship that doesn't need it. Now all that second person does is push a button and hope it hits. Not really enticing gameplay imo. CIG's claim that the pilot would be overwhelmed also felt like a lame excuse as the Mantis/Warlock/Raven do just fine with only one pilot operating the EMP. 🙂

[@OrishiBlackMoses]

Well, it looks like you may need 2 others to fully pilot this ship like the MSR to hold its own in a fight ugh. I'm sure you can pilot one alone just not being as effective in a fight.

[@schlagzahne6741]

So strange that a multiplayer game multicrew ship needs more than 1 person to get the most out of it

[@qdaniele97]

Or just use blades

[@OrishiBlackMoses]

@schlagzahne6741 Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, some of us just end up doing more solo game play than others, but we can still want the multicrew ships and control of all weapons through AI.😏

[@durtyred86]

Love these ships but.... I think I'll stick with the Connies save one. That MR. I own all variants of the Connie but none have the capacity "Yet" to hold a prisoner. So I won't buy into it full stop but I'll make a layaway ccu for one.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

that's a good strategy the Connies are very capable! the MR is the real outliner, I really don't know how it will stack up against other bounty ships so I'm waiting for the Q&A :)

[@electrospud9230]

The MR is also the only variant with 4 S2 shields per early CIG specs so yeah, paired with 2 S4 weapons the MR variant is going to be a beast...until two months later it gets nerfed by CIG 🤣

[@squeegeeegg3197]

​@@electrospud9230the ES is the 4 size 2 shields. The CL and MR have only 3 size 2 shields. The CL will have additional armor for surviving small harassment fire. The MR appears to be the least protected variant but most capable on the attack

[@its-sneaky-b8502]

I just got one aswell I’m excited bc we also get a good Loaner

[@vulcan4d]

Turrets need to slave to the pilot. 1000years of innovation and the computer just can't shoot the turret straight lol.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

agreed!

[@strategygalactic]

This ship is gonna blow chunks.

[@MatthewGleed]

Doubt

[@babyboom316]

I dont understand why the cargo version has SO MUCH MORE scu than the C1...

[@likeorasgod]

C1 is actually a lot smaller ship, while might be same length they are way thinner in design.

[@onik7000]

C1 is just a bad ship. There is litetteraly no pros except it's look. Slow, small cargo, small shield, mediocre armament at best, stupid layout, no second entrance. It has wings... but they do nothing in game, they generate no lift.

[@MrNebelschatten]

Well when atmospheric flight is enabled those wings will probably give the Spirit series improved atmospheric handling@@onik7000

[@babyboom316]

@@onik7000 yes I don't understand...

[@ZyvhurStudios]

I think its really intended to compete with the freelancer max and larger and not the spirit series

[@araynortassadore3056]

The cockpit looks too far back...really the only cosmetic design i dont like. Other thsn that it looks great

[@samuraijack1153]

Does anybody know if I upgrade my only ship to the zeuz, will I get a loaner ship in the meantime?

[@pinter_marton6165]

Yeah you will get the a1 spirit

[@onik7000]

you will. google "loaner ship matrix" for the list on loaner ships )

[@samuraijack1153]

Thanks

[@akalaification]

Bought the mr to add to my galaxy and polaris. My wife would kill me if she found out how much I spent on this game. Plus the 7800x3d (lots) upgrade.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

o7 team RSI

[@DdaOG72Star]

When is this ship coming out???

[@ZyvhurStudios]

not sure but hopefully soon

[@scienz0220]

Probably in the next couple months. At least 2 of the variants

[@mrtiddles9361]

Valid points on which ship the exploration ship is actually competing with

[@generalrendar7290]

I'm shocked that this ship is so good. It murders 4-5 other ships unless they get buffed or the Zeus gets nerfed.

[@MatthewGleed]

Exactly. The Spirit is larger yet the Zeus has 3-4x the shielding. Something seems very off.

[@sebastienjonas4984]

@@MatthewGleed The Spirit C1 has S3 tractor beam vs S2 tractor beam for the Zeus CL. Also based on A1 stats, the C1 will likely be the freighter with fastest acceleration ingame. Also, a full cargo load on the Zeus CL will block access to some of the components as stated by the devs, which is not the case for the C1.

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@sebastienjonas4984 CIG apparently stated that there will be a shield rework in the future and that the Zeus is the first ship with this in mind. As such the Spirit may get additional shields in the future. Personally I'm also hoping that CIG will increase the shields on the Mercury because a ship that large with only 2xS2 sounds like a bad joke. The Mercury is larger than a Constellation/400i so it too needs a S3 (and 3 escape pods) imo. 🙂

[@Bruce_Warren]

🤣😂🤣😭

[@LankyFlames]

It looks too much like the galaxy

[@ShathAllenson]

Wow reskinned freelancer!

[@ravenragnar]

PRO TIP: Do NOT BUY any more ships until the game goes LIVE. In my view they have exceeded their stretch goals by 5+ years. Wait for an exploit to come online when the game goes online to get enough money to buy every ship with in game money. How do I know? It happens with EVERY SPACE GAME that has ever been released since 1983.

[@stepbrobiwankenobi]

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