Star Trek: 8 Things You Didn't Know About The Eugenics Wars

Everything you need to know about the wars that gave us Khaaaan!
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[@GabePuratekuta]

I remember the Eugenics Wars. No less than three augments stole my lunch money every month.

[@PaulFagundes]

😂😂

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Augments stole my first copy of Pokémon Blue 😢

[@codo820]

I think those douchey kids that stole your money in middle school were just kids that hit puberty early. But you never know...

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@@codo820 I mean, there _was_ that time they chased poor Gabe round the moons of Nibia, yelling something about wanting to “spit at thee”… that’s some pretty damning evidence right there.

[@cavav8r]

That's augment-ist.

[@davidgriffin9412]

With all the time travel in Star Trek, especially the Temporal Cold War, has changed history. In the episode Omega Glory, when Spock realizes that the Yangs are Yankees (USA) and the Coms are Communists (USSR/PRC) he tells McCoy that they obviously fought a third world war that we avoided. So according to TOS, there was a Eugenics War in the 1990s but no WWIII originally.

[@studinthemaking]

I always interpreted that to mean. They fought the biological war earth did not fight.

[@Caidoe_Esthov]

Spock says in the episode: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet. My reading is that Star Trek's World War III was not between Americans and Asia-based Communists.

[@philgarza6158]

Makes you wonder when in Star Trek First Contact Data commented about the nuclear isotopes in the upper atmosphere from the 3rd World War/WWII fought in the 2050's.

[@syntrilliumc.e.p.9326]

@@philgarza6158 Since TNG was launched, writers and producers have continously violated the Temporal Prime Directive, which these persons them selves even came up with. Thats why the Trek timeline ended up being such a huge mess.

[@cavav8r]

First Contact FUBARd the timeline and ever since it's been just 🤷

[@TheDarkPorkins]

I would LOVE a Eugenics Wars TV series. I enjoyed the Khan books.

[@eliezerrodriguez5863]

Kahn books are canon in my eyes

[@NeilCWCampbell]

Gary seven

[@jameslauder3984]

@@eliezerrodriguez5863same here.

[@Olkv3D]

hahaa. The name is a hard sell these days.

[@francescozenocchini4428]

Isn't a Khan miniseries announced some time ago ? What happened to that?

[@beast1624]

Another interesting thing about the Eugenics Wars: George R. R. Martin was one of the writers and producers of the CBS series Beauty And The Beast from '87-'90. He once said he always thought of Vincent (played by Ron Perlman) as a product of the Eugenics experiments.

[@PokerNLSofa]

I don't think that it's necessary to change the date of the Eugenic Wars because the simpler explaination is that California simply didn't see the worse of it and was left untouched. The US recently ended a war that lasted over 20 years but you wouldn't know it just by cursory glance at California.

[@langleymneely]

Or the simple solution is the Star Trek universe is NOT ours? All of this stems from the weird need to make our real life timeline somehow fit with Treks. It’s so unnecessary and leads to all these convoluted “explanations”.

[@DJParticle]

@@langleymneely - As the video says though, there were TWO Eugenics Wars, and it's the reason why the term is plural. We know there was one in the 1990s (because Khan himself said that was when he ruled) which was more a cold war with smaller skirmishes, and the second one between the Second American Civil War and WW3, and it was likely that second one that caused the vast majority of the deaths.

[@langleymneely]

@@DJParticle My point still stands, worrying about lining this stuff up to fit with our reality is exhausting and not worth the headache. I don’t care about the specifics of when fictional events in Trek happen just that once established they should just be left alone and future stories should simply build on them instead of trying to retcon everything to fit this weird obsession with lining up our world with the Trek universe. At this rate by the time we actually get into the late 21st century & the franchise is still going producers are going to have to keep making up convoluted reasons for WW3 not occurring or Zefram Cochrane not developing warp drive cause it doesn’t match up with reality. It’s a fools game that unravels the second you give any thought to it all.

[@Olkv3D]

Perhaps, the "Eugenic Wars" is what Humanity referred to as the entire late-20th century .

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Beta canon pretty much established that many of the conflicts that occurred in the 1990s and carried on into the 21st century were the result of Khan sowing civil unrest. With most people not even knowing these events were all linked at the time. The LA riots in the 90s were actually one such event caused by Khan.

[@robvangessel3766]

If the Trek franchise makers had any real imagination, they'd have done a prequel film or miniseries about the 1990s Eugenics Wars and Khan's origin. A breath of fresh air in the endless, endless redundancy of cookie cutter formulas. The story would be alternate universe stuff, of course, much the way Watchmen was. But - wow! - it would have so much potential as a gripping sci fi story.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@robavengegsrssel37566 yeh imging above abutbeugenjcscwars on star trekmit coudvintrewtingbthing see imginge star trek meets wacthmen x men and mixed with elemntbofvsay zero dsrk thirty

[@MartinDrkos]

1:35 That guy damn near did a flip to sell that punch. I hope he got a raise.

[@silversonic1]

It seems to me that First Contact was what really helped the world finally establish peace. Encountering the Vulcans helped humanity heal after the worst events in Trek history, but the "Post-Atomic Horror" lingered for years after.

[@albratgaming2348]

I have always said that we need to meet aliens, before we will truely stand together. Just look how different parts of a country act when someone else enters the room... eg. A person from Manchester and a person from Liverpool dislike each other. Then a group from Newcastle enters the room. They suddenly stand beside each other and say "we're from Lancashire.." Then a group from Cornwall enters... "We're northern!!" becomes the saying. Then a group of French enter and "we're British"... Then an American group enters the room... "We're European!!" Then a group of Chinese enter the room... "We're westerners." So until a non-human enters the room... We stand apart. Once a group of aliens enters the room... "We're Earth people !!" ;) edit: Capitalisation.

[@paulo23pd]

I like how they linked this episode with The Wrath of Khan.

[@tobybigham4196]

Ricardo Montalban really was a man's man! His charisma and charms were quite enchanting! No one will ever replace him as Kahn! He played an Augment as if he lived that way all his life.

[@douglasmcneil8413]

The TOS episode "The city on the edge of forever" is the earliest example I know of, of a potential change in the timeline of the Stat Trek universe. Although the major changes were delt with in the episode, there were ample opportunities for smaller interactions with minor characters or characters that never even appeared on screen to have the "butterfly effect" split off different realities creating different timelines of events. For example, who's cloths did they steal at the beginning of the episode? Did the missing clothes cause someone to lose their job, thus changing the path they were on? If so, then how did that different path effect the people around them? And did those minor changes cascade through time just enough to create an alternate reality? Spock may have had the right dates for the eugenics wars but for a slightly different timeline.

[@DMSProduktions]

INFINITE variables! DON'T look too close, it will just DO your head in!

[@QuintusAntonious]

I don't completely dismiss the timeline change theory, especially when you consider all the tomfoolery going on with the Temporal Cold War, but I suspect it's much more likely that Spock was simply a Vulcan Science Officer who only had a passing familiarity with his half-human side's Earth history either from his parents or Starfleet Academy. If you ask someone from the US who is not a historian (amateur or professional) to tell you the finer details of, say, the Japanese transition from feudalism to the Meiji Restoration and how that led to Japan's participation in World War I and II, they may be able to tell you the vague time frame of certain events, but they probably won't know specific details even though that event is similarly distant to our modern day compared to Star Trek's modern day and it's past Eugenics War. There's no reason why Spock should be an expert on human history when even humans don't always know perfectly the history of other cultures on their own planet. Even if Spock is correct, history will often look at a series of conflicts as one unified whole after the fact in a way that people contemporary to the event did not--for example, the Hundred Years War or the Crusades--actually dozens of smaller conflicts that we know see as one longer conflict due to how later historians have identified common themes and players within them over time. Occam's Razer for me here is just simply his timeline was a bit fuzzy or he's conflated several conflicts into one bigger one.

[@MrGibsonian]

I always love things like this. The have clothes stolen from them so they go to the store to get new ones. The person behind them in line thinks the line is too long at that cash so goes to a different one and now they don't meet their future husband/wife who was going to be in line with them and in 200 years we don't have their descendant hearing an explosion on their farm and panicking and shooting a Klingon.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@QuintusAntonious Now.

[@michaelbayer5094]

Since Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were in 1930's NYC for days if not weeks, it is possible, maybe even probable, that something they did could affect the timeline. But the episode rules it out. Kirk and Spock correctly identify Edith Keeler as the focal point in time. When she dies, the timeline is restored. When the 3 return, the Guardian confirms this. So, stolen clothes, the cop, the homeless man who kills himself with McCoy's phaser, or any other interaction did not affect the future.

[@mikejankowski3088]

Only thought I have... Number 6... In Futures End, Voyager actually went to an alternate "past" and not the actual timeline, so I think it is feasible that the Eugenics Wars didn't happen in the altered reality.... remember, Voyager had to "fix" things to return them to the correct timeline.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

Yeah, in the real timeline Sarah Silverman is not an astro physicist. 😁

[@charleslennonbaker]

I still believe "Past Tense" is the titular episode(s) of the Star Trek franchise. Its eerie plot constantly resonates with me. Although the show writers got the idea of Sanctuaries from a planned real-world article, it not only holds up over time but in all of the episodes and novels, it seems to be the most current subject that no one wants to admit is happening before our eyes, and 'we' keep ignoring it.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Thats the DS9 Bell riots one yeah? Not seen it for ages... wait, literally as I'm writing this i just thought "Hang on a minute, was fuckin Dick Miller in that episode?" just googled it and yes he was. Well that was a rollercoaster ride of a comment.

[@DJParticle]

Yes!! Someone else who.notices that the term is PLURAL! 😊 I wonder if Philip Green was an Augment. He was the main antagonist of WW3

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

Colonel Green was the founder of the Optimum movement. He wasn't a augment, but he espoused eugenics and the removal of those seen as not optimal. He waited until Khan triggered a small nuclear exchange in the Middle East (by destroying Iran), then Green's supporters escalated things until WW3 happened. In the aftermath, the Optimum movement assumed control of various governments, instituting a cleansing of those deemed to not be fit for society (by using those drug-addled troops seen in Encounter At Farpoint). This included the disabled, many scientists & intellectuals, members of royal lineage, and anyone else Green decided society didn't want.

[@DJParticle]

@@the_once-and-future_king. - Must be beta canon stuff there. "Optimum" doesn't show up in the Memory Alpha wiki at all, not even in Green's bio.

[@SevCaswell]

I would think that the overthrow of each separate dictatorship would be considered to be one war, thus multiple wars were fought to overthrow all the augment dictators.

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

@@DJParticle Read the novel Star Trek: Federation. It's really good.

[@DJParticle]

@@the_once-and-future_king. - I would but... according to the synopsis, canon has pretty much left it behind. When that book was written, the date of First Contact and the founding year of the Federation had not been made canon yet.

[@lkulenkamp]

Thank you. That clears a few things up I’ve occasionally wondered about.

[@julianuceda1331]

A Mini-Series about the Eugenics Wars could be interesting

[@baggierols73]

Love how the Hyperion Class Heavy Cruiser from Babylon 5 is based on Khan's ship

[@Andrew-pr9xv]

Hyperion is my favourite B5 ship. Love it to bits.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@Andrew-pr9xv Now that's the only thing I didn't know, about the Eugenics Wars/Augments, before watching this video. Thank you.

[@Andrew-pr9xv]

@@Thurgosh_OG Something else I bet you don't know about the Eugenics Wars... I once wrote a short story about them back in school for an English assignment. You're learning a lot today!

[@baggierols73]

​@@Andrew-pr9xv too right mate. Brilliant looking 👍

[@martinr8278]

Gene Roddenberry was quite the visionary, one of my favorite episodes, and they certainly did a fantastic movie out of this. It was nice to see them all reprise their roles.

[@GeekFilterNet]

Just FYI where Rain’s Van was driving in front of the shops at night, that was not downtown. That’s Melrose Avenue in the mid Wilshire district. It doesn’t really matter that much but in 1996 there really wasn’t much to do downtown, especially after everybody got off work and went home.

[@luminaire4946]

In the voyager episode history had already been altered do to the time ship landing in the 60's. Who knows how that affected the actual eugenics war.

[@bradwolf07]

I'm pretty sure most people knew that the Augments ruled as Despots

[@bold810]

They had a trilogy of star trek novels about the Eugenics wars beginning, with Gary 7 as the point of view and protagonist. They were very good.

[@seanbrown453]

There was a book series of Star Trek novels which told the story of Khan and his part in the Eugenics Wars. I haven't read them but I think the last book in the series focused on what happened after Space seed and their early days on Ceti Alpha 5.

[@mikeat2637]

They were pretty good books.

[@ajaiiz]

I'm all about canon and lore, but I have no issues with retconning mentions of the Eugenics Wars and WW3 from TOS. The TOS writers were making stuff up as they went along. They had no idea they were writing for a 50 year legacy.

[@langleymneely]

That’s why it shouldn’t be retconned, it’s a fictional universe, let it stand on its own. Constantly trying to retcon and make things fit with our own world is exhausting and unnecessary. If they keep doing it they will be doing it forever as time goes on and the franchise still exists.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@langleymneely Especially when WWIII is probably just around the corner for us.

[@langleymneely]

@@Thurgosh_OG lmao exactly! What happens to Trek then? Appalling the producers haven’t predicted that WW3 is actually slated for 2029 and was set off by the shortage of quality internet porn & lack of caffeine after the Coffee Wars of 2026!? 😜

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

I've always felt that the terran empire in the parallel universe should have been founded by the augments.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

That sounds like a good explanation on how the the star trek version of humanity went to that nightmare world instead of the much better version we usually see. It would also track that they wouldn't be around so far into the future because they wouldn't want to make new augments since the new ones would threaten their power.

[@BettyWhiteTheVibratorSlayer]

In DS9 the humans lost control of the Terran empire, the reason could have been the discovery the Botany Bay and Kahn in their universe. It would still fit the timeline.

[@evos469]

We need a Star Trek movie or series covering the eugenic war

[@michaeltortorice9876]

I knew a lot of the headings, but I was missing the details. Nice job. This was a lot of work.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I hoped there'll be a spin-off series about the Eugenics War. Also, I hoped there'll be more Augment characters in future Star Trek shows.

[@kathryncumberland]

I'd love to see episodes or movies that take place during and/or are centered around the Eugenics Wars.

[@langleymneely]

There was an entire miniseries about Khans life inbetween Space Seed & Trek 2 that was being written by Nick Meyer the director of Trek 2 that was being considered around the same time Discovery was being developed by its original creator. It got canceled sadly. Sounds like it’s being turned into a book?

[@kathryncumberland]

@@langleymneely Too bad it got canceled 😞 Books are always better than movies/shows as far as storylines, but I appreciate each for different reasons and I'd love to see more about these wars on the silver screen.

[@silvervalleystudios2486]

@@langleymneely That would have been awesome. Montalbans performance in Space Seed was awesome. Lt Mcgivers was also an interesting character they could have elaborated on. The series would have done well.

[@jameslauder3984]

I love Greg Cox’s Eugenics Wars books. Those are my “head canon”

[@gwenever7286]

I never have understood why the TOS writers gave such an early date for the Eugenics Wars, late 21st Century seems a much more reasonable date, and the idea that the records were lost and Spock's date is incorrect is a good explanation in canon

[@HermanVonPetri]

Because the Original Series was produced right in the middle of the cold war, the Vietnam war, and nuclear proliferation. Only five years before "Space Seed" aired the Cuban missile crisis happened which had most Americans and Soviets convinced that WWIII was imminent.

[@langleymneely]

Or the Trek universe is simply not ours so trying to force it to fit with retcons and excuses is silly. Its a fictional world created by writers making a fictional tv show. The idea that writers in the 60s are somehow supposed to “future proof” things because fans and writers can’t accept its it’s own made up universe is absurd. The more you try to retcon this stuff the worse it’s going to get as real life will NEVER line up with Star Trek canon.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

Because to them, based on the time, 1996 was the future from 1967-69. Realistically, TOS probably could've been set 400-500 years in the future, rather than the 23rd century.

[@sureshmukhi2316]

Because back then they didn't think that people would still be analyzing the series 50 years later.

[@QuintusAntonious]

If you are European or American, or heck even some Asian countries, it's easy to forget that prior to about 1975, there was a major conflict almost every decade going the whole way back to before we have really good recorded records. For the past 50 years, while there have been wars, they don't tend to have the body count, geographical reach, and/or societal mobilization that older conflicts did. Sure, it might be devastating to one region (Russo-Ukrainian War, Gulf Wars, Rwandan Genocide, etc.) but its easy for someone far from that conflict to barely notice. This really wasn't the case prior when wars literally consumed whatever the known world was at the time to you. I don't think it's unreasonable based on human history to that point to expect a major future war of some kind. Indeed, their timeline of a major conflict every decade escalating to a massive World War isn't all that different from the pattern of history to that point.

[@imkluu]

Colonel Green was noted as being active during the Eugenics Wars where he was a British Colonel who turned traitor and helped Khan Singh invade Australia. In future decades, the term "green" was a term used to denote a human who served a nonhuman conqueror. He later became the leader of a faction that started WWIII in 2052. This being 60 years after the beginning of the Eugenics war lends to the idea that the Eugenics war likely happened later than the 19990's. Colonel Green appears to be no older than perhaps 60 during WWIII, and must have been in at least his thirties to be a colonel. So the Eugenics war likely happened closer to 2022 than 1992. I think somewhere in Star Trek it is stated that WWIII happened in 2023. Perhaps this is getting it mixing it up with the Eugenics War that started then, instead of WWIII. Tho WWIII came to be because of the Eugenics war so they may be considered the same war by some, one starting in 2023, and ending in 2052.

[@ratfinkie62]

Eugenics wars, 1990’s, WW3, mid 2000’s.

[@courteouscarpenter7811]

This is a good job narrating episode man thank you. Well wishes and prosperity to you man

[@raymondcanessa7208]

Thanks to Gary7 and colleagues we didn't have to live thru any of that!

[@Tusitala1967]

Assignment: Earth was one of my favorite episodes as a kid.

[@Sutterjack]

Thanks for the research and insights -No mention Gary 7 providing the tech for the sleeper ship?

[@davidnaas8366]

I am holding out for The Temporal Cold War - - explaining lots of in-canon goofs. Other than that, it should be obvious to the most casual observer The Temporal Cold War at some time hit a Reset Switch on the timeline and erased the entire Trekverse. For example, in the scene where the Xindi weapon cuts a slice through Florida, the view from space shows the entire State still above water... (/s)

[@GabePuratekuta]

And that's why Sgt. Flowers was station at Blood Gulch.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

You know Florida Man put a tarp over the ditch and colored it green.

[@davetoms1]

So much fun to look forward to... :-/ Great video tho!

[@jamescampbell39]

What happened to Gary Seven and Assignment Earth, according to that episode the Federation had records of Gary Sevens' exploits during that part of the 20th century.

[@willmfrank]

The Eugenics Wars were named after a conflict between two guys named Eugene. You already know who those two Genes were...😉😁😆

[@willmfrank]

THAT WAS A JOKE!!! ...Put the phaser down.

[@Akuroxradio]

excellent recap!

[@ASUFAN-]

Just like skynet and the terminator's they we're created with good intentions, but if backfired.

[@alcav54]

No mention of Colonel Green

[@colinlllanbadarn2039]

Very interesting . I would like to see them do a film based in that period .

[@theblitz9]

According to the Eugenics Wars novels, Gary Seven helped Khan escape by supplying The Botany Bay.

[@STEPHANTODD]

Well Khan himself said in Star Trek II that they left in 96! Soooooo?

[@FactMansMysteries]

Well done

[@sirhamsterfilms]

I am looking forward to the Khan audio series by Nick Myers to explore this subject more deeply.

[@chrisvellner3922]

I find it hard to believe Khan accepted the "Red Shirt" uniform.

[@bikkiikun]

One thing humanity ought to learn from Colonialism is, that whoever feels or actually is "superior", will try to take over and rule over those he deems beneath him. Something that not only applies to "genetically" or technologically superior humans.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

Anyone with better abilities than other people is going to be 'arrogant and aggressive' when someone tries to limit their ambitions. The way forward is to NOT try to limit other people just because you are angry or sad that you cannot meet or exceed their abilities in X or Y.

[@ThomasEJohnson]

I don’t think the Eugenics Wars are still set in the 1990s. As I watched the details in SNW it seems pretty clear that they retconned them to the 2030s.

[@ThatDudeCurtis6]

This They have been set in the 90s for more years than 20 years

[@docwho1912]

As a medical scientist, I simply don't see this as a realistic possibility. I have already proposed that for eugenics to even become accepted by most governments and the general public, as an EXPERIMENT (not even a lab project!), we are looking at some point after the 2070's, at least. Right now, today...we do not even have the Genetics knowhow to manipulate an entire human genome. We've only been mapping the genome since the 1990s, and only fully mapped a few million of the EIGHT BILLION human genomes on Planet Earth! We cannot yet begin to state, with absolute certainty, how someone's genetic makeup will affect her/his health, ability to fight infection, reaction to medications and treatment outcomes. Ergo, medical scientists could not hope to begin successfully manipulation of the human genome.

[@D2Kprime]

Season 2 of Picard also does this. They go back to the year 2024 and the Eugenics Wars had yet to take place.

[@douglasbriel6103]

I really loved The Enterprise episode with the youngsters.

[@MrBiggles53]

Ah, the old hide the fact of the enemies leaders escape trick, first used in April 1945…

[@ginofrancejr555]

I will not be surprised that we get a spinoff show or movie about the enugenics war

[@thatotherguy8138]

Gotta say I'm very surprised that Trek hasn't decided to go with a "Multiverse" explanation for stuff like this.

[@notmyrealname6150]

I must have missed the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s. I was busy watching "Beverly Hills 90210". 😁

[@sjinzaar]

Amazing that a fictional story that developed from the creative mind of Roddenberry has become something that can fit easily on the history channel as fact...

[@michaelmitchell4989]

Perhaps it's best not to turn handsprings to try and maintain canon.

[@bjorn00000]

Yeah, for all of the complaints about new Trek and canon, it seems like reality is a far bigger threat to the Star Trek timeline...!

[@MartinDrkos]

Reality is not canon to Star Trek. :-p

[@langleymneely]

Thats why the entire thing is pointless, trying to keep retconning Trek to fit with our reality is a fool’s game. Just concede that Trek is its own universe not ours. I have never understood the preoccupation with trying to make things line up with reality.

[@kylehazachode]

The Eugenics Wars could have been easily retconned if it were placed between 1880s until the late 1990s, happening during both world wars and establishing the beginning of the rise of the eugenics. The 1950s could have been established in Trek lore as the peak of eugenics research. Spock could still have been wrong about WWIII, but at least eugenics could have been easily explained that matches with irl history. Both Allies and Axis powers believed in eugenics, why not run with it?

[@justhereforkicks8208]

I’ve always wanted a movie about Khan’s rise to power.

[@HereticReborn]

I don’t think Spock was wrong. Anymore, I just think Spock lied. A lot. And often. 😂

[@danielland3767]

For the sake of "Logic" lol. "Its only Logical that I don't tell you the truth so you don't think illogical and jeopardize the crew of mission" Lmao

[@lorigearhardt2371]

Misdirected, implied...

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

@@lorigearhardt2371 "You lied." "I exaggerated."

[@ronm6585]

Thanks. 🖖🏻

[@toothlessrick3970]

Wasn't Dr. Bashir and a few others from DS9 series were Augments as well? 'Dr. Bashir, I Presume' Season 5 Episode 16

[@michaelbayer5094]

Just a basic observation: this is all fun stuff, but it's about movies and TV shows, plural, over almost 50 years, and while there may be a canon, generally, we're now talking about hundreds of writers, directors, and show-runners with their own points of view and desires for their own work. Once Roddenberry passed the torch to Rick Berman, the genie was out of the bottle.

[@brodriguez11000]

Oh no, Trek now has a genie.

[@DenverStarkey]

i always hated how Voyager ignored the eugenics war, espeically since they time traveled to 1996 in a two part episode. that said i always thought OG star trek guessed/wrote the future timeline to close to their time (the 60's). i always thought it should have taken place in the 3000's not 2200's. i chalk this up to them not actually understanding the nature of space and the science behind real world space travel. to think we'd figure out how to travel faster than light (breaking the law of physics or loop holing around them on the way) in jsut 300 year's time or less , was woefully naive given at the time we had just got people to the moon. and that's not even taking in account all the other miracluos technologies they ahd in OG trek like transporters. today a computer to calculate the kind of math it'd require to break some one down at amolecular level and reassemble them on a spinning, and moving planet inside a spining and moving solar system , would be impossible to build ther's jsut too many varibles. that's just the comptuer to process the data to make transporters possible. jnot to mention the actually method of breaking a person down and moving them one atom at the tiem , with otu it actually killing them. but i digress. point is as much that is achieved on star trek in jsut 200 years is rediculous. and sure technology has always grown in exponential spurts , but the operative keyword there is "spurts". technology does indeed start like a steam engine and slowly build up ina dvancment speed , it always hits a plateu at a point qand hangs there for along time before a new advancment comes along to speed it back up. point being once warp 1-4 was achieved it might be 200-300 years before some one comesalong and figures away to get warp 5-9. in star trek they progressed pretty evenly from 2100's to 2300's. that said and with the 3000's in mind for ST space travel , the eugenics war should have happened in say the 2300's , 2400's or 2500's. with early warp ships beign first invented in the 2600's (like warp 1-4 ).

[@exelionofzune4726]

Alec Newman just needs a role in Star Wars and he will have basically got the Kentucky Dirby of SciFi franchises.

[@patriciaaturner289]

Is that like the EGOT? (For the uninitiated , that stands for Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony awards.)

[@robertmcmath910]

I'm hoping that after Picard season 3, they do something like "Wesley, Time Monitoring Corps" or have a pre-pre Trek that takes place either just before the Eugenics Wars or soon after (kind of picking up the pieces, the Vulcans are the "new thing" and keeping the Earthers from being to fast and lose before Captain Archer's time).

[@kmoecub]

Not every story needs to be told. It's often better to allow us to use our imaginations.

[@ef6957]

Wow bro great video I love everything about the Augments.

[@darthsideous1968]

Ahhhhhh yes what memories! Venice Beach back in1996, about a decade or so before it became overrun with homelessness, drug addicts and the walking dead zombies it is today.

[@GangstaMojo]

The reason Star Trek Voyager drop the ball when it came to the eugenics war... Was that Paramount studios only cared about getting new viewership and higher ratings they could care less about Star Trek lore and Cannon it wasn't about staying in Cannon with Star Trek timelines it was about making sure Jeri Ryan's outfits were very tight, they didn't care about the Star Trek fan Base they wanted new viewers they wanted non trackies watching the show they're only agenda was to depict a female driven show. Now there's nothing wrong with Star Trek Voyager being a female focused show as long as they stayed with in the Star Trek Canon universe but the executives at Paramount didn't care about the timeline. That's one of the reasons they set it in the Delta quadrant so they could do their own thing and not really having a part of the overall Star Trek universe but they got so caught up in doing their own thing when they made the episode where the crew went back in time to Earth it never once crossed their mind that they were entering something that needed to be canonical

[@alt3241]

Well when it comes to timelines you can have dynamics of interactions and factions time travers and time travel aware cultures the effects of which only seem invisible to the untrained eye but not when treaties or rules of conduct are violated .

[@kbtken]

I love that when fans ask about inconsistent dates in Trek history, the writers say “Nuclear bombs and the temporal Cold War now shut up nerds”

[@nunyabidnez9004]

Lol, I don’t care if people say trek isn’t canon or not…I’m enjoying the heck out them!

[@tomhenry897]

Agree with #1

[@josephcontreras8930]

....gentlemen we can not only build him we will create a great human specimen. We have the technology....

[@stevebojo4378]

Harve Bennett produced The Six Million Dollar Man as well as The Wrath of Khan

[@Robert08010]

So THAT explains Seth Green.

[@theonlykog]

This would be an excellent Star Trek streaming series.

[@ravenRedwake]

I presumed it was basically the metal gear solid storyline.

[@n.i.c.k.f.l.e.t.c.h.e.r]

Pro tip, run your VO audio through adobe podcast

[@ThePerfectChair]

Thanks Pro

[@dillonhartline8788]

dude, I was literally searching comments to see who else is talking about their terrible audio. The channel's audio didn't used to be like this...

[@DW-indeed]

2:06 "I don't know. He said something about fruit cake, whoop whoop?" 2:17 "Wah! That's what my dad says!"

[@metamorphicorder]

Check out the novel 'Federation' to get a good idea what was going on. I read it like 30 years ago. Its pretty good.

[@avenuePad]

I'm confused. How could Spock be wrong about the date of the Eugenics Wars when Khan himself says he was "...lost in space from the year 1996?" Plus, in Voyager's "Future's End" we see a model of a DY-100 class in Rain Robinson's office, which also took place in 1996. Is the explanation that Khan wasn't actually part of the Eugenics War after all? If so, then what about the dinner conversation in Space Seed where Khan is discussing the history. I'm just not sure how the circle is getting squared. BTW. I actually don't care too much about the dates. I'm not a "new Star Trek" hater by any stretch of the imagination. This is just for the sake of conversation. So, can someone please un-confuse me? lol

[@amandarose4469]

This would explain why in Into Darkness when Khan mentions his name he expexts to be recognised, essentially he is akin to Hitler popping up and being all "it's me, Adolf."

[@darrinkemp1755]

Question, where does the infamous Col. Green fit in too all of this?

[@stevebojo4378]

Yep, Guy gets some love on one episode then nothing.

[@kmoecub]

I did not know that you chose to ret-con #3. In TOS i'ts verhy clearly stated that the Botinay Bay was a prison ship, and not "commandeered" by Kahn.

[@Wild1221Weasel]

exactly the opposite was stated.🙄

[@soulstrong]

Please speak to the Soong sons/clones played by Brent Spiner. They all look alike! In universe!

[@ricknick5318]

They need to change it to the 2090s so that way they can blame it on the records of them times not being completely accurate they had thought it was the 1990s but it was actually the 2090s

[@DeOneTrueSage]

What ever happened to the Pope in the Star Trek universe?

[@liamburns6028]

This Tuesday during August 2023 I will just live life like a normal person

[@MichaelJohnson-pu3xo]

EVERY reference on screen to the EW indicates they were overt. -that's TOS TAS TWOK DS9 INTO DARKNESS ENT and now SNW.. Overt is mentioned only in those non canon books.

[@corssecurity]

Good news and bad news. There's a two part novel detailing the Eugenics war. The good news is part one is $1.99 The bad news is part two costs $999.99

[@JALVAREZAVILES]

NICE

[@That80sGuy1972]

This shows that the error of the Star Trek calendar is probably 100 years or so beyond the estimated date. I mean, the TOS series is probably 1 or 2 centuries after the estimated real-world calendar date they have in the series. Also, there's no doubt that the Star Trek universe is also an alternate timeline... so the original dates also do ironically do match-up.

[@jensbaath]

1: Didn't know that it was a eugenics war.

[@SciHeartJourney]

I'm sorry to disagree with the writer, but I read Greg Cox's books and Khan DID have a destination in mind. It was supposed to take 100 years to get there at 10% the speed of light: 10 light years away. But something went wrong with his navigation system and he got lost in space!

[@keeper1978]

What about doctor flox his race were they not genetically modified also

[@jackraintree4351]

Star trek season 3 ep11 has similar features The haunted about genetic manipulated super solders

[@edwardcnnell2853]

The frighting thing about the TOS episode regards the eugenics war was that the seeds of the idea were real and planted in this USA long ago. The eugenics movement was strong in this country back to the late 1800s. Buy the 20th century they had become implanted enough to have a lasting effect until the 1970s. People in mental institutions, even just for treatment and later released, were forcibly sterilized. I know one person who had this done to them in the 1960s. The eugenics movement people also promoted serializing the “lower 10 percent of the population” which meant those of African ancestry. They also opposed the giving refuge status to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany due to their “high percentage of imbeciles”. This eugenic movement was fully embraced and implemented by the Nazis murdering millions. Hitler wrote a follow up book to Mein Kampf where one of his targets was the USA where he thought there was enough suitable DNA to breed superior people. The eugenics movement still stayed with us most notably in the Pioneer Fund (not to be confused with the financial company). Little is left of the organization and last I heard their office was emptied and has been working from a post office box. It was the Pioneer Fund and a Scottish organization publishing as Mankind Quarterly that later funded the writing of Charles Murray's racist book The Bell Curve. I think the writers of TOS Star Trek were aware of these things and incorporated reality their fiction.

[@johnsteiner3417]

Star Trek First Contact established that WWIII took place in the 2050s.