Star Trek Beyond Review Discussion Part 2 - Trekyards Podcast #12

[@RetroBerner]

We used to cram like a dozen people into a Grand Marquis to go to the mall back in the day, I don't think they would mind squishing into the Franklin when their life depends on it.

[@Doniehg]

Here's a theory on Krall. The more alien life force taken by them the more alien he becomes. Isolated there's no humans to use. Once humans show up on the scene Krall can then reassert to human form by taking human lives.......

[@theredheadproject]

Don Green I thought that was pretty obvious no?

[@MROJPC]

I'm a big time Trekker/Trekkie, whatever ever? I love Star Trek and y'all's show is awesome! I took my wife and 3 step kids to watch the movie on Saturday after bowling and at first they hated the idea! They never watched an episode of anything related. I just took them because it was family night (I hadn't seen it and I didn't think they would hate it) and we wanted to keep them close, but I had a great, fun fun time. Afterwards, the kids (9,11,and 11) wouldn't stop, "soooo cool! Is Kirk only in new Star Trek? Why does Spock have pointy ears? Can we watch it again?" Great Trek movie, and I really think great for Star Trek. :-) (watched 2 eps of TOS and Enterprise after).

[@kingdave31]

Not to sound argumentative or anything, but the notion that the Yorktown base isn't sufficiently Star Trek just because it doesn't look like things we've seen in other Trek movies and episodes isn't very logical. You could have said the same thing about Spacedock in 1984 ("It looks like a giant mushroom! We've never seen a starship fly inside a space station before! That's not Star Trek!") or even K-7 in 1967 ("What's that thing? We've never seen a space station on Star Trek before!"). We've never seen anything like the Yorktown in Star Trek before because up until very recently the technology didn't exist to put something like that on the screen. If any new Star Trek that gets made has to limit itself to what's come before, then the franchise will get caught in a self-referential irrelevance loop.

[@brianpadraig]

my headcanon solution to bringing the crew in the Franklin: the enterprise was docked at yorktown and people basically had shoreleave there. this mission was called for, it was a rescue mission to pick up a whole crew of another ship. so they're just going to pick up a bunch of people, so why call the whole crew back from shore leave? they're going to pick up a bunch of people, no need to bring the whole crew when you're already going to need space for the people you're rescuing. so they go with a skeleton crew, maybe ~200 or so, just people necessary for ship operations and such cause they'll be picking everyone back up when they get back to yorktown. then you can easily get the amount left down to like 80 or 60 or less if necessary (though doing 20 at a time they did that at least 3 times i think, so not less than 60).

[@foxpianocovers]

I'd be surprised if even 10% of the Ent crew survived the swarm attack. Franklin's size wouldn't have been an issue...

[@stagarmsm4]

I am not sure but I think the swarmer tech may be Iconian.

[@MaddyB2F]

How did Kroll know that the artifact is on the Enterprise? The way I remember it from the movie, Spock logs it on the Enterprise and their files are 'synchronised' with Star Fleet at Yorktown. Kroll could only know about the missing part of his weapon if he was in contact with the Yorktown computers. This has bugged me since I left the theater. @Trekyards: Great show!

[@theredheadproject]

MaddyB2F He had access to the Yorktown computers - Sulu explains this in the movie.

[@no1special723]

I believe that the Captain of the Franklin became more human throw the movie is because it was the first time he had been stealing life force from humans for a long time. You apparently become what you eat

[@power543]

Very true

[@XentorAntarix]

Ever thought, they did not take all the Crew with with the Franklyn? Perhaps the majorety waited down at the planet. And will get taken later by rescue ships?

[@Cyberwolfman]

One thing they forgot to account for for Yorktown base, how long would it take to build the thing? It would have to have started before Kirk was born.

[@thribs]

The whole base doesn't make much sense when you start thinking about it.

[@soljafon]

it was finished being built so it was new, yeah

[@adamlytle2615]

I could see something like Yorktown being built relatively close to Earth... but they're 3 years out on a 5 year mission. Doesn't that imply they're out on the frontier? Cool station, but the location is questionable on a couple levels.

[@thribs]

+Mark Plott All starships should be built in space. That always bugged me about the first one when we saw the Enterprise being built on Earth. Just seems impracticable.

[@jediknight73]

Yes how could a 100 plus world's with hundreds of billions of people build it... Really guys..

[@MrStehooper]

I really enjoyed it to be honest, took me right back to where ST should never have left! Whether prime or JJ timeline, I'm in!

[@jaysus620]

I'm with the Captain - I genuinely don't mind spoilers. If the movie is doing its job, you won't be thinking about what you already know.

[@thribs]

Instead of the Franklin, they should have said it was Columbia. In the prime timeline their ship was found in the Gamma Quadrant. We also find out that their actions that lead them to be there caused the creation of the Borg which would have given us another diversion point between the two universes.

[@eXcommunicate1979]

I'd rather the Borg's origins be ancient and almost legendary, rather than just another tie-in with Humans.

[@thribs]

True but it does give us a reason on why the Mirror universe is so different. Since it's unlikely their Columbia went to Caeliar, they never created the Borg, and hence the Borg didn't go back in time to stop First Contact which caused the Enterprise to go back as well and tell Cochrane that the aliens who would arrive that they were peaceful. Since none of that happened, he assumed they were hostile, killed them all and started the first steps of the Terran Empire.

[@Ramschat]

27:00 "It's recycling, it's not making air out of thin air, you can't actually do that, necessarily." Making air out of thin air? That sounds like recycling to me xD

[@JOHNNYsXeBLUES]

May I ask where you got that mini USS Franklin display piece, Captain Foley? I'd love to get my hands on one, as I mad dig the look of the ship.

[@jeremyfrerichs]

its like a Starfleet trans am:) I like it too.

[@brandongray5069]

I'd like to know as well. Other than the Hot Wheels re-release of the JJ-prise there hasn't hardly been any merchandise for this movie.

[@thribs]

Eaglemoss will do one eventually. I haven't watched this yet but I'm going to guess that's he's showing his Loknar Class model.

[@westneilc]

its a drink topper from cinemas, various chains are running them

[@hughsmith7504]

One thing I have always wondered, how much of the advanced tech was due to the more military minded approach once Nero appeared, and how much might be due to old Spock giving them future tech? And yes to Khan as helmsman, every course correction" Khaaaaaaaaaaan!, half impulse please"

[@wingsabre]

The impression of Yorktown is it's a special starbase in a region of space far off from Starfleet. In the film, they also said they built it to not show favoritism to new Federation members around that sector. It is near the border, so it essentially serves as a secondary capital for the Starfleet. Spacedoc does not have to have the same property because it is directly orbiting Starfleet HQ. K7 looked like it was designed to just be a trading post and a rest stop. I also think Krall didn't think they were able to board or use the Frank-Lin because it is a 200 year old cargo ship. Krall also assumed that it was still in the dilapidated state. It wasn't repaired when he left it.

[@novax-ig9yt]

From a distance, Yorktown reminded me of DS9. As far as not looking like TOS tech? Well, Vulcan was destroyed. Perhaps necessity is the mother of invention in that case? And maybe Spock Prime helped out on the design?

[@lujan1701]

it is my understanding the Franklin was mostly burried and the rest was hidden by using a hologram to disguise the rest; not hard to believe that she could do that really.

[@Enfiare]

STB was the best yet. I hope I live long enough to see all these next couple of decades will bring, not just in entertainment, but so I may witness changes we as a species take to move us closer to an actual society that goes as far, does as much, and brings us together to achieve such wonderful realities.

[@645-u6e]

Love Cap Foley's face at 54:58... :D

[@player3productions502]

the last shot of all of the franklins crew with the 3 at the end are krall, manus and the girl who tricked them.

[@avenuePad]

I agree that Chekov being referenced as being on the Reliant would be so great. Basically, Anton's Chekov could live on in novels and comics. Anton lost his life in such a tragic and wasteful way that I feel it would be a great honour for Anton's legacy to have his character live on in the Star Trek universe, instead of being told onscreen about how Chekov died in some tragic and wasteful way.

[@player3productions502]

I would rather have kirk be bitter towards savvik, or arex, or whoever because they are replacing Chekov because he died on an away mission that kirk sent him on.

[@rover213]

well in portugal like ive been saying on the youtube channel and on facebook will only air at 25 of august ,so saying this i had to cheat,but none the less i enteed to see the movie on the big screen anyway

[@CastleBravo023]

The Franklin DID apparently have at least one Shuttlepod, as they showed it in the archive footage.

[@power543]

The Franklin has no shuttle bay, this was confirmed by Sean the designer in our soon to be released interview with him. The shuttle Pod we see was a separate shuttle landing at which ever base they left the Franklin from. Nothing to do with the ship itself, and the fact that it was a almost shuttle pod from Enterprise was a nice nod and reference to the fans.

[@davidspears4940]

that movie idea sounds great David as a kid and the fleet fighting over the planet

[@perfectsanity15]

if you look at the other three aliens found on the planet, jayla and those other two who j fights you can see aspects of kralls design features in them, which he absorbed into himself

[@PencilKnights]

What would also be cool for the fourth star trek instalment is if some how Kirk runs across a young Worf as child seeing that Klingons how long life spans and with him in Star Trek IV: The Undiscovered Country. Nothing to big, but a cool nod. In this way they can easily Segway into TNG because you know they are gonna remake them as well. Please respond to this comment I would like thoughts

[@creepyrobot23-50]

irvin edwards that was Worf's grandfather in Star Trek 6, not Worf. Plus he starts living with the Rozhenkos as a kid, and they're still alive when he's an adult. It wouldn't make any sense to see him in TOS era.

[@megaultimatestar2008]

if we get a 4th film i would love a reference or appearance of the doomsday machine, in this time line it's still devouring worlds.

[@CarlosFontes]

I think Krall worked beautifully as social commentary and as a rebuttal to the ideals/values of Starfleet and a more socially evolved humanity.

[@eXcommunicate1979]

Loved the movie, but I felt the depiction of the nebula was super weird. Was it made of TOP SOIL?

[@timothypage252]

As for the odd evacuation capacity, does anyone remember the time the D was supposed to be able to evacuate a 15,000+ -person colony?

[@sw-gs]

It was that "Amish" colony in holodecks and cargo holds isn't it?

[@JaayJaay9998]

Star Trek Beyond, a movie so good that J.J. Abrams walked away from it.

[@TDBoedy]

If you wanna talk about war pushing civilization ahead - yes it does - check out the book Guns Germs and Steel

[@FromMyBrain]

Shuttle pods were seen in the movie.

[@soljafon]

what would The Defiant look like in this au.

[@gwensdad2003]

actually I think The Borg improved Starfleet since most of the ships and weapons used during the Dominion War were designed originally to be anti-Borg. So...Q saved The Federation?

[@Enfiare]

Because of his love for humanity, because of his love for Piccard. oh the feels - even Gods need role models. ;)

[@player3productions502]

Q was not a god. Gary Mitchell was a god.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

It's worth mentioning, though there's no evidence for there being Romulans there. Star Trek (Enterprise?) had an episode where there was a Romulan ship that had external holographic emitters to allow it to disguish as another ship. So that does mean, since ENT era does seem to be canon in the JJverse, that technology /does/ exist, just doesn't belong to Starfleet.

[@CommandLineVulpine]

Also I do think we're well underestimating how many crew members of the Enterprise died when we talk about how many got aboard the Franlin. We have to keep in mind the drones weren't shooting weapons at Enterprise, they were literally flying through it and shredding it to pieces. Chevok lists out a huge list of hull breaches from just the first wave of the attack. We see very few emergency bulk heads, its possible this Enterprise just doesn't have any. Entire sections of crew we likely lost in space and in the attacks. The only people who lived through the ordeal were the ones who launched in escape pods and were captured. Kirk gives the order to abandon ship probably way too late into the ordeal too. He probably should have gave it when the warp nacelles were cut, but he didn't do it till the neck was cut. Sulu says the damage is so bad they're losing inertial dampeners too, which would mean when the saucer section impacts the surface no one is surviving the g-forces. So I do think there was maybe at most 100 survivors. Think about how long the resque scene is in length, and Scotty explaining he'd beam up 20 at a time and has to wait to recharge. We see like 3 sets of crew beam outs? Given the escape didn't seem to have many time skips in it you can maybe assume 2 more sets that we didn't see beam out, but I don't think you can get more than that. That's few enough people to fit on the Franklin. Think about it it's like 4 classrooms worth of people. The Franklin is small, but it's bigger than it looks at first glance. The bridge window is really big but the saucer has much smaller windows all about it. Given how Star Fleet ships are mostly designed, it fair to say those are probably all crew quarters. You have to kill off pretty much all the Enterprise crew, but yeah, the number they imply are still alive can fit.

[@thribs]

Romulans aren't the only ones to come up with cloaking tech.

[@lostinbrent3737]

You missed some obvious clues: Krall & his one henchman have survived by feeding off of that alien woman's crew. They likely absorbed their other surviving shipmate & then started luring ships within the nebula to them, to feed on over the centuries. Jayla says she'd come from the sky, too and details her escape from Krall. That's why they have similar fins on the sides of their heads to that alien woman. They have turned her into their operative by promising her she'll survive as they slowly killed her crew.

[@TDBoedy]

Let me throw a trek-spiracy at you - What if it was Archer's time traveling that somehow created the divergence and that explains the Kelvin already being huge and the tech being significantly more bleeding edge?

[@Maxvla]

Genesis planet could be the new Vulcan?

[@player3productions502]

Technically the comics and GA videogame already have a new Vulcan and their technically canon. the comics more so.

[@richardwatson289]

Yeah I didn't think Yorktown was very trek either, kinda reminded me of the citadel from Mass Effect. And yes I was so happy to hear the Xindi reference as I loved that story arc lol

[@intrinsical]

"If I destroy the Federation, we'll get stronger." There's a misunderstanding of Krall's motive here. The way I see it, Krall is a man of his time (ENT). He is basically a Terra Prime sympathizer who wants Humanity to be in the driving seat of a star empire, much like what the Klingons and Romulans are. Krall doesn't want humanity to be equal partners with other alien races. He wants humanity to be in control of other alien races. This can be seen the way Krall used the alien technology he found on the planet - he is the master who directly controls the alien swarm technology, which is basically enslaved to krall.

[@shawn2780]

Samuel's movie plot is so insane.... I wonder if Screen Junkies would get mad if we did a Trekyards Movie Fights, because that would be so awesome. I recently told someone to go see the movie because it's not just a great New Trek movie, it's a great Trek movie. Hell, it's just a great movie. Sure it has it's flaws, but what movie doesn't (How many decks does the Enterprise A have again, Mr. Shatner?). Stuart got me thinking about the Franklin, it's lack of shuttlebay, and crew movement. We do know that in the JJ Universe there was a woeful inadequacy when it came to emergency crew evacuation until the Narada incident. A nice little nod to this is during the Enterprise evacuation when Kirk orders the bridge crew to the Kelvin Pods (I wonder if that name will stick, like Jeffries Tubes- I'm guessing it will!) Note that this is a retcon- as the NX-01 had escape pods but the Kelvin didn't? I'm almost thinking that since the Franklin was a ship of ex-Macos, if they got in a battle or emergency situation... Like Klingons, they would just figure it was a Good Day To Die.

[@novax-ig9yt]

No Genesis planet, please! Personally, I would love to see a "Yesterday's Enterprise" -ish plot for Star Trek (1)4, where the Kelvin is thrown into its future, and meets the Enterprise-A. James Kirk must wrestle with either keeping his dad, George Kirk alive but destroying his own timeline, or sending him back to certain death to set the JJverse timeline back to normal. And William Shatner cameos as old Kirk from the JJverse's altered timeline future to convince Pine-Kirk to send his dad back.

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

saw it Saturday. I liked it. I liked it a lot. even though we lost another Enterprise

[@Lokiawa]

What I think would interesting and sad is if the movie after the next one basically starts off with...Kirk and crew getting news that Chekov while on board the Reliant has not been heard from for the past..week or so, they find out what the Reliant was doing before her disappearance which was transporting a group of people to a planet to colonize and live on. The Enterprise and crew goes off to track her down (insert some time filler to show the time to the destination), they find the Reliant orbiting a planet that was to be colonized, Enterprise hails the Reliant and no response, and life signs are erratic because...something is going on in the solar system, Kirk then leads a boarding party to check out what is wrong with the Reliant....okay this story would take forever to get to the point so basically they found out Chekov and Reliant crew was killed, and that the colonists is Kahn and his people who somehow got loose, killed the Reliant crew and took control of the ship. I'm more inclined to believe the 4th movie is just going to be about time travel...if not time travel and or dimensional travel then possibly some stupid story about how either a cloaked Klingon ship or Romulan ship somehow captured George Kirk and he's been imprisoned for 20+ years then either got out or was "freed", finds Jim Kirk... George: "Jim 😟...I'm your father." Jim: "😕 Bull sh** " (blah blah blah) Yeah...that's how I think that movie is going to go IF it gets the official "green light". Do kinda like Commandant's wish for the movie but I think it'd be interesting if the antagonist were the Tholians instead but more than likely they would stick with the safe and lazy option of Klingons and or Romulans for plot...

[@Lokiawa]

Honestly doubt you guys read ALL the comments, because yeah...so much yapping about multiple things it'd get boring especially if some or most are repeats of the same thing.

[@KlingonCaptain]

Something I noticed about this movie completely redeemed the Kelvin timeline for me, or should I say the Fringe timeline! Yes, TOS, in a sense, is our future. The Kelvin timeline is the future of the worlds from the TV show Fringe. Yes, it is Fringe Trek. The Fringe Amber making multiple appearances in Beyond cinched it for me. Even the twist was done in a Fringey way.

[@shawn2780]

You know I never thought about that, but Justin Lin is so shrewd and subtle in his easter eggs and nods that I almost wonder if that was actually done fully intentionally! Fringe after all being created by JJ Abrams

[@Taorakis]

Star Trek 6 has a good Thriller Story :). I also stick with Captain here, the twist wasn't really necessary.

[@genxlife]

The inside of a real nebula does not look like a dark, murky cloud with asteroids and whatnot. The inside of a nebula looks like regular black empty space. For example, the Crab Nebula resulted from a star that went supernova thousands of years ago. Before it went supernova, the star probably had a diameter comparable to the diameter of the orbit of Mars. If you spread the material of an object that size over a radius of 5 light-years, of course the resulting nebula is going to consist of mostly empty space.

[@avenuePad]

Agreed. Sci-fi has always used nebulae and asteroid belts as obstacles (i.e. Wrath of Khan, Star Wars, and virtually every other sci-fi show). It's like having sound in space - I'm OK with it. I did notice that once the Enterprise got to Krall's planet the nebula was no longer a murky cloud, as you described.

[@davidduanes9574]

I would love to see JJ star trek serial

[@soljafon]

the suliban. the suliban pods ; are warp capable

[@robwong7206]

A few years ago I started my own version of a Mirror Universe movie in NuTrek. Maybe I should dust that off and continue it, then send it in to see if they'd consider it? lol Yeah, right... Well I can hope. :P

[@thribs]

There's a comic that did that already. It had Mirror Kirk taking over their Narada.

[@robwong7206]

Robert Hayes That didn't happen in mine, but that's interesting.

[@thribs]

Star Trek: Ongoing #15+16 are the issues.

[@carloc88]

The Xindi reference tho!!!

[@RichieAppel]

If Jaylah isn't part of the crew in JJTrek 4, I'll strongly consider rioting. I really enjoyed her in Beyond. It would be a shame if she wasn't in the next one as an integrated member of the Enterprise-A crew. I know she has to go through Starfleet training, but they could have her go through that off screen and have her in the crew for the next film.

[@thribs]

I want Marcus back. She was cute and quirky.

[@RichieAppel]

I want her back too, but I liked Jaylah more than Marcus. Jaylah did a whole lot more than Marcus.

[@shawn2780]

I think the possibilities are endless. She's immediately endearing, funny without being annoying, and quite interesting (and cute..). I just could picture her on the bridge and Kirk gives her an order and she just looks and him and is like 'why?' and he's like 'you did graduate from the Academy right?'

[@thribs]

+Shawn McDonald If she graduates she would be already better than Kirk. :)

[@analysisofscifi6051]

it over all nice idea for the next movie

[@tylerchristensen7434]

I'd like to see the Mirror universe one but the Mirror Universe turns out to be the Prime Timeline 😂 that would be classic! Or time travel would be sick too... just give us a fourth one!!

[@alexbennett7018]

With the tech the Franklin should exist in the prime timeline as it was built in 2140s and lost in the 2160s meaning Karl and his people should be around in the prime time line also the kelvin timeline enterpris only lasted 5 years in universe 2258 to 2263 making it the shortlist life span of a enterpris in canon also how long do you think the enterpris a toke to build as given what we share in the 09 film then die have thort it whood have taken 4 to 6 years during the time laps

[@thribs]

There is no Franklin in the prime universe. If so they would have used it during the Xindi incident.

[@alexbennett7018]

+Robert Hayes not according to memory alpha where under status it is missing 2164 in prime timeline and recovered 2263 kelvin timeline It mint not have been used on enterpris as it is listed as a test bed for the warp 4 engine meaning it mint have been converted ethereal during the romlan war or after the zindy war as star fleet probably need as meany ships as poserbul

[@alexbennett7018]

+Alex Bennett ps hear is the link memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Franklin

[@thribs]

+Alex Bennett But there was no Xindi war in the prime timeline. Those things on Memory Alpha are written by fans so I wouldn't take it to heart. My theory was that in the JJVerse, they used the MACO and this Franklin instead of the Enterprise during the Xindi incident and that lead to a war since being MACOs, they just attacked them.

[@soljafon]

you spelled krall Karl lol

[@TheBigExclusive]

Just a constructive critique here: When you're talking, I think it would benefit the video if both of you finished your original thought before starting another. There are various moments where either one of you are on a roll making a point, then pause to go off on a tangent.

[@029132]

I love all the speculation for the next movie. I hope they don't use another villan though.

[@thribs]

Well it's going to involve time travel in some way.

[@joeb8476]

The next movie has to be Lt Savik as a replacement.

[@joeb8476]

They already leaded the fact that Chris Helmsworth is going to be in the next movie.

[@greyareaRK1]

The movie really didn't work for me. I enjoyed the character interactions, though they felt a little forced (Karl Urban is brilliant as McCoy). Unfortunately the frenetic action really detracted from forming much of an attachment, so the action felt meaningless as I was not invested in the characters. I didn't feel like they were in any real danger. The shame of it is that the story had enough interesting ideas, and would have worked if they had chosen just a few and fleshed those out more. It felt like they kept throwing in random plot ideas and twists as the movie progressed without explanation or integration. Similarly I liked the *idea* of a big, sophisticated space station, but what they actually created was so hokey and laboured that it, along with other elements, served to push me out of the suspension of disbelief.

[@jediknight73]

love the movie

[@jayaldridge9520]

Maltz, jol yIchu!

[@freagarthach4228]

So, no one bothered by the fact that they've paid a tribute to Leonard Nimoy by killing his character? No one? Really?!

[@williammay5300]

it was far better than the frist 2. by wide margin.

[@Nimmo1492]

Better than most of the original timeline movies, too.

[@williammay5300]

+Nimmo1492 Prime universe is better way better.

[@damir4132]

No one cared about this film. Its a flop. Id be surprised if it even gets its money back. Sure its an ok film (nowhere near as interesting as the first two), true to its roots, bla bla, but what viewers want evolves with time and this Star Trek refused to evolve. This isnt the way to keep the franchise alive. It pains me to say this because Simon Pegg is my favorite actor ever. (Hot Fuzz is imo the best movie ever made). This movie is safe, it offers nothing new and interesting. Its just bland, its like eating a rice cake. Nothing wrong with rice cakes, you eat them and its meh, but its not something you suggest to your friends. This movie is worth the ticket price, but i wont be watching the second time, i wont even be pirating it let alone buying the bluray. Star Trek used to be ahead of its time. Now it seems that its lagging behind because it refuses to naturally evolve. Lacks direction.

[@thribs]

I still like the first one more. That one at least had some prime material in it.

[@TheCastellan]

12:00, Nero was a boring, dull baddie.

[@dotmatrix7383]

Better yet... Star Trek 4 resets the timeline. Somehow, someway, everything gets reset to the classic Trek timeline. Would love to see Deg3D's beautiful remastered Connie on the big screen.

[@KlingonCaptain]

I think that they should just reveal that this "new" Trek actually takes place in the future of the Fringe universe...a sort of Fringe Trek. Why not? they already used the Fringe Amber in Star Trek Beyond?

[@tempest0392]

Shields up spoilers alert

[@thribs]

Take out that terrible music segment and you've got a pretty good Star Trek movie.

[@soljafon]

what horrible music segment

[@thribs]

+SunJade The part where they destroy the swarm. It just had my eyes rolling.

[@wierdalien1]

+Robert Hayes its not the music. ots the surfing thats the problem

[@shawn2780]

Oh I don't know... It was so over the top and in the back of my mind I was groaning through it, but I have to admit I had a huge grin on my face the whole time I was watching it. It helps that I like the song though. If it doesn't fit with a person's musical tastes I can definitely see how it'd be jarring. And yes, I'm taking back what I said in a previous comment a long time ago- where I said I like the Star Trek and I like the Beastie Boys, but not in the same movie.

[@eXcommunicate1979]

Nah, man. It was fun as Hell. I'm glad they put it in there. Loved the nice touch of Chekov and Sulu grooving in their seats as they're destroying the swarm.

[@djackson4657]

Roddenberry only TOS is canon.So anything else is fanfiction. ,

[@double-bogeyduffers4623]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. TNG was created by Roddenberry, and he gave his blessing for DS9.