Star Trek Next Generation - Entering the Lysian System

[@jimmyjohnjames6397]

Imagine the pants wetting terror the Lyssians had to be feeling. The Enterprise just walked through their best ships and didn't even notice their most powerful weapons. Then just apologized and left. Of course the Lyssians were "understanding and forgiving".

[@jyralnadreth4442]

pretty sure the Federation paid reparations to the Lysians for their lost ship and crew. On the upside for the Lysians the Satarrans had upset Starfleet who undoubtedly informed the other interstellar powers so that this couldn't happen again. Starfleet probably also looked at developing defences against the Satarran mind wipe and against however McDuff masked his alien physiology.

[@tonyjackson4078]

Bright side they were unmanned automated craft, so it could have been worse.

[@arthurbrandonnielsen]

Starfleet probably also turned McDuff over to the Lysians.

[@IIISentorIII]

The Battle of Wolf 359 from the Lysian perspective :D

[@haweater1555]

Worf: "They are pointing ???𝘓𝘈𝘚𝘌𝘙𝘚??? at us." Riker: "Lasers?? That won't even penetrate our navigation shields. Well, regulations call for yellow alert." Picard: "Must be old regulations." ( 'The Outrageous Okana' )

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

Don't forget to be prepared to surrender.

[@freshdoug]

@@WaryofExtremes-realoriginal They used the same model

[@quietearthMT78]

I always wondered why the aliens didn't just make "MacDuff" the Captain.... then he could just override the crew's concerns and order them to destroy the station....

[@zhanzhao144]

+1

[@casbot71]

Or just leave Worf as the captain. He would have fired if not for his instinctive loyalty and respect for Picard.

[@zhanzhao144]

@@casbot71 Hey, that's a very good point. Somehow I have never thought of it before. Maybe the aliens thought that Worf is a peaceful person.😁

[@XX-sp3tt]

Being the captain is being under way more scrutiny. And the captain volunteering for a "dangerous" memory restore procedure might raise some eyebrows. As long as he was second in command, he was able to stay in the background and string along the farce.

[@corbinmcnabb]

Possibly the leadership of Picard was something they weren't confidence they could replicate.

[@ExtraCheeseProject]

They say writer's have a good character when they can put them in any situation and know how they'll respond; the memory loss and deception in this episode is a masterclass on this concept 👏

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

This makes me feel better as a writer ty ❤

[@bestirishfirefighter]

RIP to Erich Anderson ( MacDuff).

[@randomrazr]

COD?

[@TheOrbofTime]

Proper clever move by the aliens here. Almost pulled it off too.

[@Hardwarebbq]

"...And i would have gone away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!" I HAD TO!

[@808Goose]

@@Hardwarebbqand your meddling dog!!” .. Seriously appreciate your comment!

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Lysian meets their Wolf 359

[@XX-sp3tt]

Finally someone said it.

[@melfuller8282]

One of my favorite shows

[@kevinpresley3136]

Agreed

[@freshdoug]

That station is the same model used for the "Edo" of the first season episode "Justice" where Wesley steps on the flowers and is put on death row.

[@XX-sp3tt]

The idea was that 99% of the planet, you could break any law and you wouldn't punished, but a random 1% of the planet breaking ANY law from murder to spitting on the sidewalk carried an immediate death penalty.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

There would be a long queue to watch that execution lol

[@Redshirt434]

Just goes to show that in the wrong hands, the Enterprise could be a behemoth instrument of death and destruction as well. Think about it, this was the Lysian people's "Best of Both Worlds" and this time one photon torpedo would've destroyed them. (And the Edo God)

[@ennius42]

I remember watching this episode on the BBC on the 11th of September 2001.

[@mikek0135]

Ouch!

[@excrono]

MacDuff was Cheney, we needed Picard.

[@jacobgarland3257]

"Approaching Central Command," says MacDuff, just as the ship is about to collide with the station.

[@stratfordbaby]

1:38 You would think, that after breaching the sentry pods, the central command would be actively firing on them as they approached... just a though. And no hails either????

[@jyralnadreth4442]

They were probably praying for mercy...their weapons were useless....it was Lysian Wolf 359

[@andrewshouse9840]

Well, the Sentry Pods were aggressive and look what happened to them. The Lysians were probably "lets try not being aggressive..."

[@randomrazr]

they prob accepted they were going to die regardless

[@haweater1555]

4.3 kilojoules is about the energy output of a toaster running for 3 seconds.

[@alexanderkohler6439]

or, alternatively, the energy output needed to raise the temperature of 1 litre of water by 1 Kelvin.

[@greggoog7559]

Exactly 😁

[@jyralnadreth4442]

a modern 120mm Tank gun firing M829 APFSDS (Mid 1980's US Tank ammunition) hits like 12 Megajoules kinetic energy lol

[@TsutomuTomutsu]

Uzani, his army Zinda, his face black, his eyes red Sokath, his eyes opened Shaka, when the walls fell

[@moonbaby6134]

Just a century? More like at least 2.

[@timmachin3830]

Good to see Troy being useful again. Literally, not a human and she had no idea. Empath my arse.

[@stratfordbaby]

Half human.

[@cowboybob7093]

Find _The Wicked Lady_

[@stupidnamefilter]

@@stratfordbaby He means MacDuff

[@christosvoskresye]

@@stupidnamefilter But he did lay on.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

@Wildfox01 She sensed that by peering into the Sacred Chalice of No Shit Sherlock.

[@smurfydude77]

The guest guy reminds me of Count Iblis' appearance when a blaster shoots him, and maybe a bit like the wizard's monster form in Conan The Destroyer.

[@DantesonofSparda85]

I remember this episode, essentially The Suttarans rage-quit cause they were pretty much equal footing with Lysians. The former hoped to brainwash (or at least give the crew amnesia) The Enterprise crew and use their ship to win the war for them. Like Riker said, the Lysians were a century behind in technology.

[@Gothic7876]

I like to think the Lysians are slightly ahead of the Suttarans tech wise. That’s why the Suttarans are trying to use alternative means to win. Because they are slowly losing.

[@Guardian582]

@@Gothic7876 this was my thought as well

[@MiiFone1]

seemed like far more than a century like 2 or 3 centuries

[@HariSeldon913]

@@joeswanson733 Easily. The Lysian shields were rated in kilowatts and in Relics Scotty said he could get a few extra gigawatts out of the Genolan shields. For the metric challenged, a gigawatt is 1000000 kilowatts. However, the other thing to remember is that Riker still doesn't have his memory and wouldn't know the state of technology 100 years prior.

[@mikek0135]

@hariseldon6550: They only lost their memories of their identities, they kept their other memories.

[@shireboundscribbles]

Admiral Cain in her early years....

[@TommygunNG]

At least this time she wasn’t sleeping with the fake human.

[@TedBackus]

a lot of good troy was. the dude was an alien in a costume, and her 'abilities' offered zero protection. typical

[@edinfific2576]

"I'm a betazoid, which means I can read minds and sense emotions when they are blatantly obvious to everyone else."

[@maxstr]

Yeah totally. I'm assuming for lore's sake, that she doesn't like to mentally probe people without their consent. That's more of a Q thing

[@danielroberts6212]

Troi was eye candy.

[@ignaciofuentes2642]

Betazoids can't read all species.

[@mhesidence]

At 55 seconds we see why all the Star Trek vs Star Wars battles would go in favor for star fleet.

[@Boxanadu]

Until a Force User enters the fray. Jedi and Sith are not something shields, phasers and photon torpedoes can sort out. Plus those drone fighters were flying in a straight line, manned fighters tend not to do that. Yes, the targeting systems in Star Trek are pinpoint accurate, but they can still be confused. Organic pilots are unpredictable.

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@Boxanadu The Federation does have technology to disable and block people psychic abilities.

[@SirRichardofkent]

Science vs religion.....FIGHT

[@splooie02]

they waited until they were at point blank range. we don't know what material the ships were made of or if they had any shields. don't be so sure.

[@lojosol]

@@Boxanadu No comparison ever made between the two franchises ever features force users. They ALWAYS feature the technologies of the two franchises.

[@davidcallinicos1976]

Erich Anderson RIP

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

I have conveyed our deepest regrets to the Lisians for embarrassing their military with our cruise ship

[@armandbernardcornet4572]

I am a bit irritated, why the Suttarans are not punished for their attack on a Starfleet vessel, with the intend to incite a war. Maybe not invading them, but placing them under supervison or destroying they Weapons.

[@studentofsmith]

I agree. You can't let people think they can attack a Starfleet vessel and get away with it. The response should be proportional and measured but there should be a response.

[@alexanderwinn9407]

What makes you think there weren't diplomatic consequences later? Those sorts of things rarely happen quickly.

[@TommygunNG]

Remember, this is the Federation. They’re a bunch of bleeding hearts. But yes, the next episode should’ve been Picard doing a log entry: “Stardate: - - - - - The Enterpriseis is returning from its mission pulverizing the Sutteran planet and eliminating are people from existence forever.” Proportionality, my ass. Reverse it, and no enemy of earth, humans, or the Federation would do so.

[@mikespangler98]

@TommygunNG That would be overdoing it. Simply deleting their space stations and space ships would make the point, maybe with a nice note "We'll let you into space again when you learn to play nicely."

[@gordonf5553]

@@TommygunNG might as well be the Dominion at that point, or the Borg. Inhuman degenerate

[@markfurman4386]

Out murdering the neighbors again, Picard? Must get lonely, traveling the galaxy, killing everything in sight?

[@killnotic]

Benjamin Sisko, is that you?

[@BilltheTulaneGuy]

The real music… Thanks Algorithm!

[@ShionWinkler]

So an alien race centuries behind the Federation in technology, some how altered the memories of Data... Think about that, and you will see how absurd this episode was. 🤣🤣

[@delluminatis]

they were behind in most of technology, but not mind control and computer ones, and they used those to get the advantage to cover their weakness elsewhere

[@XX-sp3tt]

Given Data's is built in the style of a human brain... works for me. This episode still rock.

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

Humans will probably be very good at blowing things up but other things like arts and music will lag behind. I think it just depends on the civilization.

[@jonathanaarhus224]

One of few times that Troi was actually useful.

[@edwardbliss8931]

A Klingon assuming command of a Federation ship and a tiny Lysian ship firing on the huge Enterprise seems really conceivable

[@psifla99]

“MacDuff is not of woman born…”

[@mrbear1302]

Why would Worf bring the ship to an attack posture? He's not the one driving..........

[@ScottMcMaster-er4xj]

Back when writers could still write half-ay mature characters, unlike the stunted immaturity of the more recent imitation trek.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

0:53 I wonder if a tremor was felt or not on the Enterprise when those lasers hit????

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

This episode was a good one that I liked. 😂

[@jakepetterson1050]

Remember that episode where they were going to execute Wesley.. And that God like entity was in space watching? Pretty sure that God thing was a semi transparent Lysian star base. Can anybody confirm? If only Picard knew one photon torpedoe could have wiped that thing out! 😂 Ha!

[@jakepetterson1050]

I'm sure they used the same model. I'm not saying the Lysians and the god thing were actually the same.... In case you were wondering lol

[@XX-sp3tt]

You don't have much suspension of disbelief do you?

[@September2004]

In hindsight, I wonder when the MacDuff character didn’t just change the files to make him the Captain or even Admiral.

[@XX-sp3tt]

Long story short? Too much attention on himself.

[@The_Natalist]

0:52 is why fighter arent a thing in star trek lol

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

Star Trek does have Fighters, Starfleet uses the Peregrine fighter in that role. They're just not useful against giant Starships.

[@raideurng2508]

@@Z1gguratVert1go And they get slaughtered during the Dominion war.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Because these are not air-sea battles like in the Pacific. And this video shows exactly Why. Large ships can move just as fast to even faster (and on a starfighter where you put the drive, the availability of crystals is limited). Of course, fighters exist (Hydrian Kingdom anyone?), but they have an auxiliary function and must be supported by a ship. Otherwise there will be a massacre like this. An effective attack can be carried out when there are many, very many of them. Something like 'beyound'.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 I think the main role of starfighters in Star Trek would be almost anywhere except long-distance travel and big space battles - that's for capital ships. They're more than a match for anything runabout sized and smaller, like shuttles, and potentially bigger ships that aren't dedicated military vessels as well (their micro photon torpedoes are still matter-antimatter warheads even if they are small) so they'd be great for preventing smuggling into or out of a star system where a full-sized starship can only be in one place at one time despite being 1000 times more powerful. Deploying a dozen Peregrines could patrol a troubled star system pretty well, rotating 6 out patrolling and 6 in for refueling and service at any given time. A peregrine could outrun most capital ships at impulse and zero of them at warp.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

@@Z1gguratVert1go Totally agree, but Star Trek is about long journeys and occasional clashes. During the TMP period, I only played the Okinawa-type frigate because it was perfect to be used to fighting piracy and waving the Federation flag. The problem is that the patrol service is terribly boring not to mention space- you won't make a series out of it.

[@the.parks.of.no.return]

Interesting, an alien disguised infiltrates your war machine then tries to use it to destroy its enemy

[@kenp7814]

Worf gets his ass handed to him again

[@stratfordbaby]

For some reason I always thought sentry pods would be stationary, not moving and operating like small ships.

[@patrickwilkinson7351]

Eh, they're essentially shuttles with no crews and a weapons emplacement. They can move to intercept ships to a certain degree, but it's not like they can go to another system.

[@DavidAWA]

Okay. I want a techno-babble explanation. When someone is hit by a phaser and moves slightly, the phaser beam rakes their body, but if the person goes flying, the phaser beam sticks to them. No one is tracking a target that well. The beam is sticking and moving the shooters arm. Someone explain it please.

[@pwnmeisterage]

Is that Lysian High Command? If so, a single photon torpedo oughta do it, they're over a century behind in weapons technology. Or is that the Edo Guardian? If so, it is utterly impervious to Federation weapons and it has enough firepower to destroy a fleet.

[@alphanerd2305]

Aren't recycled CGI effects lovely. General Chang's ship has been destroyed at least 6 times now.

[@Seanax18]

You would think that someone would wonder if they are at war then why do they have so many families on board?

[@Z-add]

For a warrior. MR worf is a wussy fighter.

[@nicksinger1705]

He seems to learn to fight between Generations and Season 4 of DS9.

[@thisisreallyverysilly]

This was just a terribly written episode...why wouldn't they have just assigned their dude to Captain? Why bother making him the 1st or 2nd officer (I can't remember which)? They needed to write in a compelling reason he couldn't be in charge (maybe command codes or something)

[@BlackXIV]

I guess they needed the real Captain of the Ship to give the order to fire so the blame would be on the Federation. Maybe after the attack Commander MC Duff would have removed all fake Data from the Computer and left she ship... the with the effects of the weapon fade off the crew would not have known what happend... but everyone would blame them of attacking that station for no reason... and the Suttarans would have won but won´t be the "bad" guys. Or maybe they where not be able to override Command funktions so much to take full controll. After all they where not as advanced as the Federation.

[@mikespangler98]

The imposter would not know the capabilities of the ship. He had to leave the real command staff intact.

[@AndrewMacLaine]

Why is it that history suggests that Michelle Forbes was only in, like, 5 episodes she is such a prominent entity in the series altogether? Easy answer is she is awesome, but

[@mattnezz6127]

mc Duff beer.!

[@jean-louislalonde6070]

Worf was easily pushed aside...

[@randomaccount-dq1jq]

Imagine mentally overwriting a species with technology way nore advanced than you and your mortal enemy, tricking them your species mortal enemy is also yours. Getting them to attack "their" mortal enemy and just as they are about to win your war for you they all, including the warrior species alien in weapons, decide "open hailing frequency and tell the enemy GG"

[@DavidBrown-wm1up]

I could tell that dude didn't belong on the bridge.

[@BCTCanadian]

2:29 did anyone else hear "delay that order" instead of "belay"?

[@ekujj13]

Why would Worf be bringing them to an attack posture? Wouldn't Ro be doing that?

[@abundantYOUniverse]

Why that little fella had a lizard inside em!

[@jasonluong3862]

What the hell is “attack posture” for a ship?

[@dark1810]

likely ensure its torpedo launchers and main phaser arrays are in a firing arc those star fleet ships are quite tall with the torpedo launcher burried in its neck and its main phasers on the saucer

[@casbot71]

That Sutteran memory erasure weapon would have been a great retrofit for Starfleet long range exploration vessels, in order to disorientate unknown hostiles so that conflicts _can be prevented._ Voyager could render enemies helpless and then offer to help while snooping through their data banks... which would not have a entry about "attack Federation ships." They could even sneak in a few references to Starfleet being allies. Starfleet later on also equipped ships with Breen energy dampners. And Dominion antiproton beams for cloak detection.

[@XX-sp3tt]

Memory erasure weapons might be deemed 'cruel and unusual.' If there's any species in existence that will make sure their junk isn't backwards engineerable, it's the Breed.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

And that's the reason why we don't see them in the Dominion War 🤔

[@MrDeadsr]

a race thats over 100 years behind in weapon tech?

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

@@MrDeadsr Fed. Mirada's? But seriously. I mean the Ent. D crew. Sisko wouldn't hesitate for a second. That's why he was a better wartime commander.

[@scribbles1424]

​@@mariuszmiroslaw2290Picard fights for the ideal of what Star Fleet is, Sisko fights for what Star Fleet actually is. Given the scenario where Star Fleet is completely destroyed or I'd the enemy is completely destroyed, Picard would sacrifice all of humanity on the alter of moralistic idealism. Sisko wouldn't. Sisko is what Star Fleet needs.

[@MrDeadsr]

@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 Doubtful. Sisko made those decisions when he knew he was at war. The Enterprise crew didnt remember anything. You are basically saying that wiping all memory Sisko's character was that he loved to push the button and kill people.

[@TheGreenReaper]

​@@MrDeadsrAnd all he could do after was to wave a datapad of the orders at the admirals and cry "It's REAL!"

[@andysahs1599]

Are the Lysians the Edo's God ?

[@Sin526]

Reused asset

[@Suiseisexy]

@@Sin526 One I kind of like because it heavily implies the Edo god is a research station that arrogantly refuses to drop it's failed duckblind because it's in no military danger

[@rdrl19]

Why don't they ask the computer what it's up to?

[@JustABill02]

Funny how the central command looks like the Edo god from the episode Justice... Is it lack of imagination or are they trying to save money by re-using props/special effects?

[@XX-sp3tt]

It's called suspension of disbelief.

[@KH4444444444N]

It's the same model.

[@rebeccasaez7772]

🥰🥰🥰

[@Glitcher2000]

This episode made no sense. Why didn't the alien assume the rank of captain to begin with?

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Access codes and biometric identification.

[@VladamireD]

@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 not to mention, if the Alien fires the weapons, it's just the Aliens attacking an enemy they're at war with, but if it's a Federation captain who fires on the Lysians, it's the Federation committing an act of war.

[@mikespangler98]

Do you think you can just walk onto the bridge of a Burke class destroyer and and know how to operate it? I was on a ship and had no idea how to operate the fire control system, nor do the fire control techs know how to run the engineering spaces I was in.

[@Glitcher2000]

@@mikespangler98 Who said you had to operate it personally? Just order your tactical officer to fire on anything you want.

[@XX-sp3tt]

It made perfect sense. If you're captan, you're more scrutinized than the rest of the crew. If you're first officer, all the pressure is off of you, you're the one who decides who sees the captain, and how to 'interpret' orders. The best manipulator is someone you don't suspect.

[@admincpt]

I would enjoy TNG a lot more if they didn't feel the need to do a music score to every single bloody scene. Sometimes less is better.

[@musclesmouse]

Ensign Ro

[@katynewt]

And after all this the Federation offered its "condolences" to the Lysians and we don't know if the Satarrans were ever punished... 😒 Lazy writing right there.

[@bojangles2492]

"our condolences for your loss, so sorry for killing your defenceless ships it was a bit like swatting bugs, something something it will never happen again"

[@XX-sp3tt]

We weren't given details. It's possible Macduff was a lone agent who got his hot little hands on some very illegal technology.

[@johnpob2486]

Missed those days where Hollywood wokeness did not exists yet.