Star Trek: Picard Episodes 2 and 3 - re:View

Rich and Mike babble more about Star Trek crap. What a bunch of NERDS!

[@deadaccount7520]

They might be breaking the fourth wall. Romulans are wise to fear the dangers of a bad robot.

[@jimbo6934]

Underatted comment

[@KingsCountyLightHaus]

Top tier comment

[@SeekerLancer]

Bad Robot DID destroy their homeworld after all.

[@Kambrius70]

Dayum!

[@uzefulidiot]

Elite.

[@Counterbeat74]

Nothing says Star Trek like hatred, xenophobia, class conflict and casual cursing.

[@Myndir]

Er, there was plenty of that in the first movie, with the cargo ship, the wrecked alien spacecraft, and the xenomorph that ate the crew.

[@jwchampagne1]

Don't forget what Discovery added to the mix: frat-like parties with loud 250 year old music and drunk crewmen making out in the hall.

[@happyninja42]

Eh, I would say that themes of hatred and xenophobia are pretty typical for Star Trek, as they were used many times in multiple series to prove a point. The only real difference in this series, is that the negative qualities are more openly displayed by the Federation. Who in previous shows, were usually the side with the "moral high ground". And it was whatever outside race was introduced, that had the hatred/xenophobia issue. This show decided to focus more on the element within the Federation, which, honestly has always been there, they just usually tried to make it seem like an outlier who was being so bigoted and narrow minded.

[@starcraftyschannel1926]

And revenge killings infront of witnesses

[@DreamwalkerFilms]

Yes, truly Gene Roddenberry's vision lives on

[@MrSnowflake]

I prefer watching these reviews about Picard than the actual Picard show

[@thepunchableface1506]

More people will like your comment than like Picard.

[@MrSnowflake]

The Punchable Face haha oh god that’s probably true

[@mbrennan27]

Its better than discovery. But that aint saying much

[@MrSnowflake]

mark brennan I’ve tried 3 times to watch discovery. Twice I fell asleep and the other I just couldn’t do it ha I’m determined to finish it though

[@joemoffitt7340]

That's how I am with a lot of "big" movies these days. I get excited when they are released because I want to see the RLM review. I usually don't even watch the movie when it comes out on Netflix.

[@ChoolyBuzkill]

Remember when Kirk had to explain to Spock why the people of 20th century San Francisco used "colorful metaphors" in Star Trek IV?

[@robertholt3996]

​@@YT1300MF *dudn't

[@MKDumas1981]

"It's simply the way they talk here. No one listens unless you...swear every other word."

[@Activated_Complex]

You know, if there’s one thing every TNG fan was hoping for from Picard, it’s Jason Bourne shaky cam fight scenes with household items being used as weapons. Maybe the next fight scene can be in a dance club, set to Hydrogen from the Hotline Miami soundtrack.

[@casbyness]

I don't think we shoud give up so quickly on Picard having spaceship hands.

[@Prime1309]

Yo, for real? That's a good song.

[@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX]

I want Picard to reenact hotline Miami on a Borg ship

[@cpmartins]

@@Prime1309 Yeah, the whole OSTs from both Hotline Miami games are really good.

[@menacebi]

Anything set to Hydrogen is a good scene

[@deathsyth8888]

Mike is an addict. He's never going to quit Star Trek cold turkey. He'll go into rehab and be sober for a while but eventually he'll relapse back into the cold, dead embrace of Gene Roddenberry's dream. And we'll be here, gladly watching his struggle.

[@NicholasAdeptus]

deathsyth8888 Roddwnberry’s dream died alongside Mike’s joy.

[@deathsyth8888]

@@WeezaY5000 Rich Evans can quit anytime he wants but Mike is his enabler because he can't bare to be alone with his fandom. "Come on Rich, just one more episode. This is the one where Beverly Crusher gets possessed by a horny space ghost!"

[@DirkCjelli42]

The dealers started cutting the good stuff with garbage, but the high is just enough to not mind.

[@Alan1701b]

That reminds me (and probably Mike) of that episode of Star Trek Voyager where the EMH gets so obsessed over his decision of letting one patient die so that the other might live that Janeway locks him up in a holodeck filled with nothing except comfortable chairs so she can put him into therapy and he can let his struggle go but he keeps relapsing and she won't let him leave until he comes to terms with the fact that letting go is the only way to stay sane. But then there's next weeks episode and its like the previous episode never happened for the Doc so none of it really matters.

[@garrettdark5668]

At least Mike doesn't vap Star Trek like a disgusting junkie.

[@mikeyfjune]

Mike said he was done with Star Trek... But no one's ever really gone.

[@FeliussRexx]

Except for Tuvix. Janeway straight up murdered that guy.

[@Reggie1408]

You should have written: "But no one's ever really done."

[@AndrewTurpel8LivesVideos]

@@FeliussRexx Why did you jinx it! He's going to wind up being the big bad guy at the end of StarTrek: Janeway, now

[@FeliussRexx]

@@AndrewTurpel8LivesVideos that sort of works with the whole android twins plot. It's like poetry!

[@Kleavers]

To boldly go where no one's ever really gone.

[@KidInTheHall28]

"I miss Star Trek." - Has more meaning today than it did in 2006 when there was no Star Trek being made. That's sad.

[@TheBoundBowman]

This is why I watch the Orville.

[@LazyMe420]

Just don't give it any attention I guess. Pretend no more Star Trek is being made and stick with the classics. Just like we have to do with so many other franchises that modern Hollywood keeps spewing on us.

[@Karn0010]

Who would have thought no Trek was going to be better than what we have now.

[@Redclantube]

Wow, I hate that you’re right

[@rustyshackleford2558]

@@LazyMe420 p l0

[@codystork3008]

I love how they censor the cussing treck clips but not themselves. Mike just cannot hear cussing coming from Star Trek.

[@jogymogy3691]

Me either. It really doesn't fit Star Trek at all

[@genx-tv]

@@jogymogy3691 Yeah, I don't want Star Trek to reflect my own world! Haha! No, seriously, I watch Star Trek to find release from the real world that needs constant cussing. It's kinda always been a safe haven. Sad, isn't it?

[@jackarcher3955]

@@jogymogy3691 ok boomer

[@Marinealver]

I think I can speak for a majority of the audience here when it comes to CBStar Trek, FUCK THAT SHIT!

[@jogymogy3691]

@@jackarcher3955 hey, I am just between 18 and 40...

[@ericohm9474]

These star trek reviews have just been like: Rich: Mike, please stop. Mike: Just a few more Episodes Rich: Why are you like this?

[@shippo72]

At least they're not torturing Jay anymore like they did in the last Picard episode review.

[@PlasticComplex]

They're poking Star Trek's corpse with a stick, even though it's long dead :(

[@MegaZeta]

I CAME FOR BLOOD

[@Marinealver]

Mike: I am losing my soul, and the misery that replaces it loves the company you bring.

[@konradha]

Mike is way overthinking this. Kurtzman never heard of Lore, or Q for that matter. Rich is totally on point. Keep it simple, keep it stupid, that's new trek.

[@Tychoxi]

We need to ask jay which ones he knows

[@klystron2010]

Yes, he knows little of the Lore of Star Trek.

[@dansmith1661]

Q did mention that humanity is expected to evolve beyond the Q in the far future. That is why Q is so interested in them in the first place.

[@rachagainstthemachine.]

Was gonna write this exact comment lol. Rich is usually spot on with his more logical predictions

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

@@dansmith1661 That's very unlikely in this current bleak iteration of "Star Trek", I doubt the writers could conceive of such a optimistic path for humanity.

[@TheREALBOJACK]

Mike - "I think she's a ROBOT." Rich - **Face Drops** **Soul Leaves Body** *_"...That's possible, too."_*

[@danielthiele4795]

Are you joking Rich hasn't had a soul in years. He traded it for that birthday boy fame.

[@Dereliction2]

@@danielthiele4795 The disappointment was so overbearing that the devil occupying Rich's soulless husk couldn't take it anymore and had to leave.

[@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle]

0:34 "You said you were done!" Gotta wonder how many thousands of times Mike has heard this yelled at him by a concerned loved one during his lifetime

[@ItsTheGuy77]

Mike: "I'm done" Also Mike: "No one's ever really done"

[@Omnishambles9583]

“You said you were done” Rich is becoming the Jesse Pinkman to Mike’s Heisenberg

[@hermannabt8361]

"We have to watch Star Trek, Rich." "I am the one who quotes Star Trek!"

[@kerouaclebain1148]

I still can't believe mike saw mr Plinket overdosing and still did nothing to help him while rich lay next to him in bed. Absolutely brutal

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

@@kerouaclebain1148 And Jay finds out and tries to bring Rich in!

[@marcogianesello6083]

We're done when I say we're done

[@SergioSource]

RICH! We HAVE to COOK!

[@dwightgriffith]

Haven’t watched the show just here to gaze at rich evans for 42 min.

[@TomOostenrijk]

He is an exquisite specimen

[@mrman6035]

I'm amazed he found Julia Roberts worthy of his gaze

[@frankmerker630]

i had to clean off my screen a few times

That’s the primary reason for all our views.

[@lilmoeszyslak4810]

Stop gazing at him, I saw him first!!

[@KeithRozett]

In the final episode, I want Dahj and Vash to team up to defeat the Zhat Vash in a game of Dom-Jot.

[@themilanguy1]

they dont have grandma tho

[@terrencenowicki8536]

"AAHN-DROID, PLAY DOM-JAT?!?"

[@gustavoperezramirez2717]

@@themilanguy1 Gurama* but I guess being android they don't have grandmas either.

[@winstonmiller7414]

Finding out Dom-jot is a real Star Trek thing makes your joke funnier and this show more annoying

[@sarosp9330]

Yes, but the referee must be named Raj and they must do it at the Taj Mahal

[@craiglackey9829]

I wish Rich and Mike would just talk about old DS9 and Voyager episodes. I'd actually pay money for that.

[@28Pluto]

Just thinking about all the mocking of Neelix that would happen makes me smile.

[@TetsuDeinonychus]

I want to hear more about the episode with dinosaur people!

[@thebackup2121]

@Stellvia Hoenheim How about just the bad episodes? They have to cringe at the thought of them when reviewing them, and to make it interesting they then have to make the argument that those are still better than New Trek/Picard.

[@johnnybigbones4955]

@@christopherlundgren1700 That invisible chameleon episode scared the shit out of me as a kid.

[@GruppeSechs]

I wish Rich and Mike would just kiss already and get it over with.

[@todayontheinternet9576]

I like how hard you guys are trying to figure out what the writers are doing in this show, if you figure it out, please tell them, so then they could know too.

[@Marinealver]

D&D school of story telling.

[@TwoDogsFighting]

One scene per episode.

[@linusdn2777]

I unironically believe that Mike and Rich spent more time thinking and discussing Star trek picard than the writers did while writing the show.

[@crimsondynamo615]

Even if you told the writers, they would deny it because they’re deluded narcissists who think their shit don’t stink

[@morgothfromangband6082]

These writers have no ideas.

[@nitewarden]

Lol, Mike is like that person who keeps returning to his ex no matter how much he complains how bad they are. And I love watching him and Rich vent.

[@Buttington_Headerson]

He’s like a battered house wife. A real Milwaukee staple.

[@jaybluff281]

Catharsis is a powerful thing.

[@music79075]

Thats what i am with Star Wars

[@rikowolfin4984]

We should really get him away from Rich Evans before the beatings go too far.... Oh wait, you were talking about Star Trek? Eh, give it a few more seasons, maybe Mike will learn to love the abuse.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

I just had a vision of Rich beating Mike with a belt over dinner being burned, while releasing his wonderful laugh.

[@noeticjustice1535]

"I miss Star Trek..." Most appropriate comment after watching Picard.

[@andrewhawes3134]

Michael Chabon said that they did the sunglasses thing just to give her that secret agent vibe, basically because law enforcement uses Ray Bans as part of their intimidation tactics. That's straight from the horse's mouth. Don't read too much into any of this. The writers are just really, really stupid.

[@mallios13]

That doesn't mean the writers won't retroactively bring it back up later on and give a canon explanation for it.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Oh jesus.

[@aserta]

The writers are plain retarded, is what they are. They drank JJA's bathwater and tadah, they became mutated forms of cretinism. I hear every day, they begin morning with sucking shit from JJA's toilet. I have it from a reliable source, they do it every freaking day.

[@onanthebarbarian4842]

And to think that Chabon is actually a celebrated literary writer. I highly doubt he does this in his books.

[@harrygibus]

I should have known they were Men In Black fans

[@nRommeln]

Warhammer 2k : Picard IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR...

[@ichmich9324]

Picard is gone be the birthhelper of the God Emporer. That's his faith that was forged over a 1000 of years before his existence.

[@Ipax7]

@@ichmich9324 And afterwards Picard turns into Malcador!

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

Oh! OH! This is all the big lead up to the Dark Age of Technology! And it all ends with the Emperor of Mankind getting up from his sofa and goes" Whelp, better do it myself I guess!"

[@Szalami]

If the Romulans are actually not building borgs but Adeptus Mechanicus or Space Marines, I'm actually in.

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

@@Szalami So when the Federation beats the Romulans they reverse engineer that shit on Mars thus birthing the mechanicus! It's all coming together...

[@Dynoxe]

With every iteration of 'new Trek', I am more and more convinced that we are living in our own mirror universe, where everything is arbitrarily bad; every decision has the bad outcome; every coin flip is tails; every one of your favourite franchises are taken over by the wrong people and burned to death before your screaming, pleading eyes

[@zylowolf7919]

Some say that is why the mandela effect exists. We are all living in another version of ourselves. Our own world is probably dead.

[@benjaminthefox]

Time to grow a goatee.

[@letmeinyourhouse965]

Or maybe greedy people ruin things because of greed and that's always how it has been

[@johnnyrico7228]

The malice to all things good is too blatant and ABSURD we cannot but realize that it is in fact on purpose and not accidental. *I like to always remember that at the very base of a pulverized TWIN TOWER...they found a terrorist passport ..insert Chris Evan's laugh here.

[@Kasaaz]

It has been proven that as CO2 Concentration in the atmosphere rises, human's decision making ability becomes more and more impared. Could explain some of it.

[@mikebliss3153]

"The currency is prestige. If you did good things, more people respected you, and that is what you wanted." Rich Evans understands Star Trek better than the writers of Picard do.

[@tylerwhitney3443]

this is actually how it is now to a degreee....I've been living primarily without money the last 6 years and an attest to having to lean on my character/reputation/good deeds as my currency.

[@Michael_ORourke]

Arguably this is how it is in Picard. Raffi complains about Picard's chateau, talking about all the nice things he has and how she lives in a trailer. She's both self-pitying and telling Picard that he doesn't deserve the chateau because he gave up. At no point does she mention that he's rich, but only that he lives in a nice place. (Mike and Rich's "bigger quarters" comparison still seems to be in play) The only mention of currency has been for the pilot and Freecloud. Both seem to operate outside the Federation where currency still matters.

[@PassiveNights]

I read a book like this

[@hugodrax1674]

@@tylerwhitney3443 Has your reputation got you a vineyard in France?

[@strifycyberlox5555]

This is how it works in several of the Star Trek games.

[@dan_irl]

That “aren’t you worried he’ll die?” “At least he will have lived” is straight out of The Last Samurai. Kurtzman can’t help himself.

[@drpg7924]

Is that movie any good?

[@Bloodynine606]

DPG G fuck yeah it’s good

[@biglicker4473]

lmao thought you said samurai cop at first glance 😂 tf is wrong with me

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Lost like tears in the rain.

[@invaderjae]

@@drpg7924 The Last Samurai is amazing. Totally worth the watch.

[@mrofftopic2802]

*Today on Mike and Rich mourn Star Trek:* "We can't judge this as work of Star Trek, Mike. That is dead!" ; "New trek is the anti-Star Trek." Tune in next time for another heartbreak.

[@BlazingOwnager]

"Garak is one of the best characters in Deep Space 9." Mike has chosen... wisely.

[@theycallmejojo6090]

Garak is one of the best characters in Star Trek period.

[@russellarcher5181]

My dear constable, had Mike never chosen Garak as one of the best characters; the entire Alpha Quadrant would be regretting his choice.

[@Lance37a]

He's wrong, he's one of the best characters in all of Star Trek.

[@henryglennon3864]

"The worst thing of all... is that I am a very good tailor."

[@s13gouf60]

Plain simple Garak is one of the best characters in all fiction.

[@OuttaMyMind911]

My dad grew up on the Original Series. I grew up on Next Generation. Now I have to hide Discovery and Picard from my kids. Something went terribly wrong.

[@maeton-gaming]

Idealogues took over the Forges of the artists.....

[@garrettmetting6938]

​​@@maeton-gamingTo be fair star trek was always pushing an ideology, it's just that with new star trek its poorly written, schlocky, unintelligent, violent, nihilistic, and basically pushes the opposite of what old star trek used to be. Old trek always pushed a narrative of progressivism without the writing feeling heavy handed or having people feel like trek was pushing a narrative.

[@MultiAlpha11]

@@garrettmetting6938you know new trek messed up when all the right wingers are hating on it like crazy. In TNG days people from all over the spectrum enjoyed it because it had subtlety.

[@maxter328]

The best thing these shitty new Star Trek shows have given us is Mike and Rich talking about them for hours, dying inside each time.

[@archfriend]

Rick Berman?

[@maxter328]

@@archfriend Rich, Rich evans. Damn it, autocorrect

[@hydra_lisk]

@@archfriend fuck you rick berman

[@matthewbowen5841]

The Vajaj would be proud

[@jessica_jam4386]

C Burgess this is your first time seeing them ever? If by that you mean all of RedLetterMedia, you need to go watch all the plinkett Star Trek reviews when you get a chance.

[@nirdram8549]

-“A secret so profound it could break a person’s mind.” -“They created the Borg” Isn’t that Serenity’s plot?

[@slackerdenile8836]

Mike also predicted that the android girl would be a powerful, River Tam style character who everyone would end up depending on so yes it seems likely the writers are stealing from Firefly.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

Awesome! I heard that all Romulans are robots. Cmdr. Oh is a robot. That's why the Zhad Vash hate robots. They hate themselves. But that they invented the Borg?!? That's even better!

[@harryloomer-young2960]

Also Battlestar and SG-1

[@kva1770]

also reminds me of how Alien covenant destroyed the mystery of the xenomorph.

[@GoatMalp]

Oh and don’t forget the bitter strong black lady in the crew who is a jaded former member of The Alliance, I mean, Federation....

[@joshliam1967]

I can't wait to see how Mike relates Star Trek: Picard to Star Trek.

[@RustyMuck]

It reminds me of that episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation

[@matthewcorcoran2891]

Nathan Obral that would take a leap, to remind him of that.

[@deanavery2351]

i swear like a trooper myself, but for some reason seeing it in star trek is so jarring and cringy it hurts.

[@katofdarkcrest]

Star Trek 4 Spock has no idea about cursing as it was supposed to be a thing of the past. Until Klutzman gets his hands on the IP then you get f-bombs at the drop of a hat. God I hate what that man has done to Star Trek

[@jcore0981]

@@katofdarkcrest You've made a grave mistake in thinking that Alex Kurtzman has watched 4. He probably said "Whales! So boooooring"

[@thehza2592]

Humans, at least, should be above that. You still had Klingons and Romulans swearing occasionally.

[@Lady_in_the_Radiator]

@@jcore0981 Alex Kurtzmann (and Roberto Orci) recorded a full commentary track for Star Trek IV... So we _know_ he's seen it, he doesn't even have that excuse

[@waywardhero1177]

Its like Elmo saying the N-word

[@FutureAlien]

Calling it now: regardless of what else happens, Picard himself will die in the last episode of season 1, then the rest will rename their ship "Picard" so that the series can keep the name without the character. Disclosure: I have not watched a single episode of ST:Picard; I go by what I hear on KZbin.

[@music79075]

After season 2 as it has already been shot due to worry about Picards health since the dude is so old

[@HangmanOfficialUploads]

Yet despite that disclosure, that's exactly what'll happen.

[@roberttaylor7423]

Well, it already feels like Picard is a guest star on his own show, so I wouldn't put it past them.

[@samdog8087]

Called it months ago....there is no other way...if not the first season, then the second.....but hes finished.

[@HextimusDuex]

someone said that already. might have been Mike actually on the last episode

[@SuperLlama42]

>"Good" fight scene >Can barely tell what's going on because of the shakycam

[@ALotOfCancer]

Yeah I couldn’t see anything to be able to tell what was happening

[@Xayjohns]

Yeah. It's like Don Knotts directed that.

[@KellsKats]

@SuperLlama42 I’m guessing it’s a good scene when it has context... but yeah the shaky cam sucks.

[@preciousroy6079]

Rich: "NuTrek is all about fate." Oh, is that why the slave android that blew up Mars had a big F8 on his head? ~ I T S L I K E P O T T E R Y ~

[@clementello]

It's like pottery. It looks like it was made by a kindergarten art class, but at least you can put your cigarette buts out in it.

[@BakingAndGhibli]

*sound of kurlon naiskor smashing*

[@kyzendelaguia1063]

Don't you mean poetr.... Oooooooh clever ;)

[@Laketwig]

fuck you if thats real....thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while

[@Laketwig]

OMG IT IS

[@redplague]

They didn't talk about how Patrick Stewart isn't playing Picard, he's playing Patrick Stewart. The character is nothing like Picard.

[@JohnMichaelson]

That's a very insightful observation, and correct. He behaves and emotes exactly the same in the show as he does on stage and in interviews now.

[@DefSquadFan]

@Redresseny He's not stern in the flashback scenes either.

[@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle]

@@suba7320 he didn’t

[@mattheweveland8335]

@@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle yeah, they mentioned it briefly in another review. Honestly, none of the characters act with any sense of continuity.

[@jasonjayalap]

About that fight scene: He hits a large, helmeted fighter over the head with a wine bottle and it knocks him down.

[@cpmartins]

@@paulcoy9060 It's Ladden with Lead.

[@garrettdark5668]

That bugged me too, as much as it bugs me in Rogue One where some Storm Trooper gets sand kicked in his face and he acts like he's blind despite wearing a helmet.

[@ralphderksen7958]

@@paulcoy9060 It's fermented in the bottle...

[@clumsiii]

@@ralphderksen7958 Your avatar compels me AHHHH THE FRENNCSH

[@NotOneOfUs]

It was a bottle of Melbourne Old-and-Yellow.

[@finnigan16]

In the TNG season 1 finale 'The Neutral Zone' (the same episode you reference in this video when discussing the Federation economy) we find out that Federation and Romulan outposts along the neutral zone have been disappearing, entire communities vanishing off the planet surfaces. It's later revealed in season 2 that the Borg were assimilating the outposts. So it's likely that a great number of Romulans have been assimilated by the Borg.

[@roberttaylor7423]

Yeah, but the writers on Picard don't know about that, much less care. I doubt they even bothered to watch any episodes of old Trek featuring Romulans or Borg before scribbling down their nonsense. That said, I'm still waiting on the reveal of what the Romulan's "Matters more urgent caused our absence" reveal from that TNG episode was.

[@kryten09]

That's kind of a cool concept... I'm gonna guess it's not really in this show.

[@Sardious]

YOu assume they know any Star Trek. They asked some random crew people on discovery what's "the next generation about?" The answer was Picard, data, make it so, the borg, calling someone number one probably sexism cause they remember one lady was pretty or something..... then in mustache twirling villain voice......OK shoehorn some of those things into the plot I think they made a movie about the Borg so make them the crux of the story....now we'll get all those Trekkies money cause we had some nostalgia! I wonder if they knew that Trekkies even though famous for their strong fandom were always a smaller niche market. Oh well.

[@daspacemonkey5837]

That's the kind of story telling that the show writers of Picard think is too boring or too vague for the common audience: hinting at something odd happening without showing it immediately (It's the reversal of the "show don't tell" thing, but done cleverly instead of lazily). Hell, even the MCU had to show Thanos at the beginning because simply stating "something odd is happening somewhere and we can't explain it" won't hook enough people. For instance, when it's hinted in Endgame that Namor might be introduced in the future, the only people that caught it were the people who knew enough about Namor to put the pieces together. They could easily scrap that idea if no one aside from the neeerrrrrrrds paid attention to it enough to care because we didn't get visual representation of the character as the very beginning of his implied inclusion. When the Borg were brought up vaguely in TNG season 1, only to actually appear and be named in the next season, I doubt anyone watching linked that to the mysterious Neutral Zone mystery. It was just "something" happening in some point of the galaxy. Weird, ok, move on to the next story! But the show writers didn't care about that; they wanted to write something good that if you went back and watched, you'd hear that one line about outposts disappearing, and go "OHHHHH MY GOOOOOD".

[@Knttsq]

Even in DS9 Earth was a utopia. It was the frontier where the Federation's values were pushed to the limit.

[@ryngobrody1627]

tbf even Earth did become a police state when they were trying to find out where the changelings were, so I don't think the federation and Starfleet weren't willing to steal people's rights when they wanted to.

[@BeKindToBirds]

@@ryngobrody1627 It became a police state for a very brief time to prove how easy it is to slide into that and to show how ideals can be held to prevent and keep that from happening. It was a moral lesson, it was not a police state after the arc of those episodes, in fact, it became even less likely to ever become one again. That was the entire point of DS9, really pushing the values of the federation and showing that in the end those values persevere and prove their worth. That the federation became even stronger and more dedicated with a better understanding of why the federation's values are good ones. Because when those values slipped, many things got a lot darker. DS9 is a crucible for the values of star trek, proving then out in the end. Not an endorsement of the dark elements and failures that provide the contrast.

[@BeKindToBirds]

@@logicplague I don't consider the actions of some get rich quick types today to have any effect on the story and ideals of star trek

[@BeKindToBirds]

@@logicplague I don't know what you mean about "these days" it has been a constant battle through all human history and I guarantee no matter how old you are that you have lived to see new tyranny and new liberty alike. But I agree, star trek didn't have a large enough cultural impact.

[@cratonorogen9208]

They didn’t exterminate the Changelings with that virus just like they didn’t exterminate the Borg via Hugh. New Trek would’ve just nuked them or let them nuke us because we’re the real racists. Or some shit.

[@DJosAmmel]

Rich: "Why am I struggling to say Tal Shiar?" Also Rich: "Folding chable."

[@tumbles8350]

Forton potatoes

[@noone3216]

To be fair, "Tal Shiar" is as commonplace as "and" or "the" to rich - its barely a word at all. Folding tables, on the other hand, are for fancy folks.

[@adamwendt8972]

This reminds me of two former lovers of a recently deceased person having a chat. While they are laughing and swapping stories about the dead person they once loved, there is still that air of sadness underlying it all.

[@bencarlson4300]

And the dead person’s child, who has the same name, is a major disappointment and the two of them are equally dismayed at the kid as they are at the death of their lover.

[@donnypotsmoker]

But, it was all a dream.

[@whatisupbruh2738]

I could literally listen to these two talk about Star Trek forever, it’s so enjoyable

[@JazzHands]

Came here after watching episode 5 to say: Rich was right. Rich is ALWAYS right.

[@lukestover2207]

Oh no, I am afraid to ask to what degree is he right!

[@joebobby1412]

Luke Stover The Original Dick The Birthday Boy Rich Evans

[@eggsbenedict2251]

Rich Evan's is a seer.

[@CoryDambach]

right about what specifically?

[@JazzHands]

@@CoryDambach it was a year ago don’t make me watch this stupid show again

[@Sch0lar4h1re]

I'm not a Trekkie, but I genuinely feel bad watching these two talk about how the franchise is spiraling. Hope it gets better guys

[@jqp9336]

The franchise spiraled in the 00s when Enterprise was a thing. This is Kurtzman fucking a dead horse.

[@GoingtoHecq]

It's frankly tragic

[@mtr801]

@@jqp9336 Well, at least Enterprise was Star Trek, the last two seasons were actually really good.

[@jqp9336]

@@mtr801 It felt like too little too late at that point, not to mention the series finale was awful.

[@mtr801]

J Q P Too late? It is quite normal for Trek shows to start with 2 weak seasons, but I guess ENT's viewing figures didn’t increase with the third and fourth season

[@jasonstraight3338]

She's a Palpatine... it is the only explanation.

[@stirnersretrowave5094]

PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL!

[@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX]

[Sigh] Somehow the Borg queen has returned

[@benoliver632]

Sheev’s a Palpatine. She’s a Palpatine. Palpatine is behind it all.

[@marcusmcclain3251]

No...she's...a Skywalker.

[@FreakDaMIghet]

I think Janeway was a Palpatine.

[@Jonas_Fox]

Star Trek is now psychologically, morally, and philosophically bankrupt. End of a sad story.

[@connectionpoints930]

Imagine having class conflict in a universe where Earth is literally considered paradise

[@marcocappelli2236]

_'Nobody leaves paradise'_

[@connectionpoints930]

@@marcocappelli2236 Eddington

[@marcocappelli2236]

@@connectionpoints930 Chihiro?

[@connectionpoints930]

@@marcocappelli2236 Haku?

[@Onyx1987]

Well hey, you gotta throw that out so you can have a black lady admonish an old white man, because that's more entertaining to... some... people nowadays.

[@BlaiseArath]

There was an episode where they considered Little Vacuum robots and Nanobots as forms of life and to be considered as such... The Federation has always been incredibly careful when it comes to approaching new forms of life however they may appear. Remember the little "Entirely inorganic" rocks on that Terraforming Episode? Theres so much wrong with this new series that you could make a Plinkett Video the length of the Episode 1 video and still not cover half of it. I love watching you guys review this because you clearly understand what Star Trek is about, I just wish the people who wrote this crap did. "I miss Star Trek" is the perfect final line for this review... me too Mike... me too.

[@dirus3142]

The three mining robots that went on strike that Data risked his career over. Also the hologram doctor. I think the hologram doctor is a dumb idea. It's a program inside a computer. Not the hologram itself. Then there is V ger. Lastly in the original series a giant silicon slug that spit acid and killed people was recognized by Kirk, and Spock to be sentient. They negotiated a mutual beneficial partnership between the slug and the miners.

[@BlaiseArath]

Let’s not forget the crystalline entity that despite devouring entire planets, Picard wanted to communicate with it and exclaimed it had as much a right to exist as they did. Shame how that ended, but still a valid lesson and addition

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

In an episode of Lower Decks Ensign Tendi held up an entire mission because she thought some readings she was getting indicated possible life. Lower Deck is a comedy and a cartoon and it understands Star Trek way, way better than the live action shows do.

[@Ghilliedude3]

Even for all of DS9's darker tones, the characters still maintained the values of the federation even during the war.

[@The_Butt_Cracker]

And when they didn't, the plot was centered around it. That's why "In the Pale Moonlight" worked.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

@@The_Butt_Cracker in the pale moonlight *does chef kiss* i LOVED that episode.

[@G0lg0t4]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 Also the one were Sisko poisoned the atmosphere of a whole planet in order to catch Eddington.

[@ActionAlligator]

@@G0lg0t4 In the Pale Moonlight, to me, felt totally within reason, even for a Starfleet officer, and it was sympathetic and relatable; it also didn't feel forced and was properly setup. But, that "poison the whole planet" thing was so out in the open and dramatic for drama's sake; not only was it out of character for Sisko, and not only was it unbelievable for a Starfleet officer, at least one of Sisko's caliber, it was also out of character for Starfleet as a whole. Sisko would have been court-martialed FOR SURE and most likely found guilty because his actions weren't justified. That plotline just felt so forced and inappropriate.

[@Myndir]

@@The_Butt_Cracker "In the Pale Moonlight" has been devalued so much by New Trek.

[@Aethgeir]

"Remember when Romulans were all clean shaven with and had v-shaped head ridges and shiny helmet hair? Yeah nah, they all look like shabby hobos now, because planet got blowed-up or some shit, you know it's visual story telling." - A writer for Star Trek Picard probably

[@catoblepasomega]

It's like the writers saw all the joking about 'rubber forehead aliens' and 'Romulans and Vulcans all have the same barber' and took it 100% at face value and decided to write it out as much as possible. So now all the Romulans look like Elves at best, and scruffy humans at worst.

[@alexvalin9085]

I actually don't mind the 'eric bana' romulans that we seen from JJ trek, but having punk-rocker emo Romulans is getting to be a bit much.

[@Cooleepable]

Every time I heard that secret Romulan society name, I was hearing "Jaques Vache", imagining a Frenchman dressed as a cow and giggling to myself.

[@randyc786]

And now this is how I will choose to "hear" it from now on. So I thank you for that!

[@theycallmejojo6090]

The reason why I love RLM is that they mostly cover things in a very laid back and chill manner, whereas other KZbin reviewers mostly just yell and turn everything into some social/political statement for like 2 hours.

[@frankmerker630]

Or if they ever do bring up politics it’s like “wow, it must be so blatant to the point of annoyance”

[@getawaydance]

when the new "star trek" is so exciting the review gets derailed talking about old trek episodes. Love it lol :)

[@jv8462]

And not even about the great episodes, even random filler episodes are more compelling than Kurtzman's Trek

[@Myndir]

@@jv8462 VOYAGER filler episodes.

[@EllRiver]

I mean, thisbisbthe best star trek series so....

[@MoeAji]

I think the show runners of Picard saw the Expanse and said "Hey! I want that in Star Trek". It doesn't work, and feels out of place. Star Wars and Star Trek fans can now join the same support group to heal the sorrows inflicted by these new shows and movies. The Expanse is really good. It scratches that sci-fi itch soooo well.

[@slagit]

So true they seem to take from that and other shows and yeah THE EXPANSE rocks!

[@jond6666]

@Gobythebear Hi /pol/

[@VirtuaSavage]

Also, The Expanse tackles that crazy idea that maybe violence isn't the answer. Isn't that a crazy concept?

[@tcschenks]

Unfortunately I binged the entire Expanse season in one sitting and I have to wait for another year for more. :)

[@RS-ub3we]

@Gobythebear what propaganda? The universe is in some socialist, one world government "paradise" where most of the population lives in slums on UBI

[@MarxistKnight]

Presumably the grungy shipyard workers chose to replicate “sticky brown sh*t” for their dinner? Are they not aware they can replicate lobster thermidor with a truffle and white wine sauce, if they wanted?

[@chazblank2717]

I think one person ordered it as a joke and started riffing… then presumably everyone else ordered the same to join in on the joke… then they all died in the most ironic way possible both talking and literally eating shit 😆 As part of better a show, a moment like that where you’re challenged to feel sympathy for objectively awful people casually discussing the possibility of their own demise in a way that makes it seem both hilarious and righteous when they’re horrifically murdered could’ve worked. As written with the current tone though, it just doesn’t fit with the wider context of Trek.

[@jazzgb9469]

"That scene with Oh" Yes, god.. That scene with.. "she's a bad spy" She's a Vulcan wearing 1980s Sunglasses. SUNGLASSES. "Because she's a robot" Too much credit, waaay too much credit.

[@mind4lease554]

@ihatescreennames89 They keep calling her the destroyer, God is clearly using the android as an angel of destruction.

[@prolamer7]

Honestly by now Iam sure those """writers""" are just making funn of audience... noone can be so stupid and incompetent director/writer?

[@jazzgb9469]

@@avenuePad in all honesty I found it hilarious. I reckon the actor had problems with the light and they just rolled with it - or the prop dept couldn't be arsed. It's not like it's a party Wyclef Jean playing in the background.. That would just be silly.

[@prolamer7]

@@MrCpfreitas You know I always teling myself what you just told, but then Iam like no... noone in that position can be so bad when there is so much talented people which never get to write anything interesting. So Iam trying to rationalize by authors actually disliking all ST and making funn of audience. I so miss true ST it was like food for mind those stories inspired your imagination, thinking....

[@doctorroboto5018]

@avenuePad Vulcans have a 3rd eyelid, she shouldn't need them.

[@LnPPersonified]

"I think she's a Q" That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So of course it's probably true. God I hate new Trek.

[@war1980]

It is going to be revealed that Romulans are actually organic androids.

[@ryanwalraven812]

Old Trek was hopeful, based off of the optimism of those who lived through WW1 and WW2 and came out the other side, trying to build a better society. New Trek is designed by baby boomers who think a utopian future is "socialism" and providing for peoples' basic wants and needs is evil. It's really that simple. There's been a cultural shift. Hopefully we can get back to old Trek ideals at some point.

[@LnPPersonified]

@@ryanwalraven812 Frankly, I've given up hope. When Seth Macfarlane makes a better Star Trek than Star Trek, you know it's over.

[@OuttaMyMind911]

@@war1980 Which was already the reveal at the end of Battlestar Galactica. We (earth humans) are the descendants of organic cylon robot hybrids from another star system.

[@R3GARnator]

@@ryanwalraven812 They're just trying to be "cool and edgy" and like Battlestar Galactica.

[@BreakerdeGodot]

I'm so glad Mike is watching The Expanse. It's far darker than his Star Trek preferences but I hope he likes it anyway.

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

If he's only at episode 2, he can get bored with it still. (Or, that's what happened to me anyway.)

[@buffalosabres91]

Cole Tynan the first 4 episodes are like a mini movie to set up the characters for the rest of the series. You’re right, after 4 it goes from good to great pretty quickly

[@SeekerLancer]

@@MaxResolve Anything that's not "and then the world ends" is more optimistic than most modern sci-fi.

[@sithlord7m]

@@DisgruntledDoomer Episode 4 is when things really get going. Gotta get the ship/crew together. Things are pretty rocky until then, the players aren't quite in position til 4.

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

I could accept a slow start, but even after watching the whole first season, I never got the feeling that "I want to see more". (Maybe if the show was only about the bladerunner-y detective man, LOL... I liked him.)

[@barbarayhivjaneahl3198]

I remember watching epsiode 3 and thinking to myself, " Are the Romulans just Dark Elves now? Is this just Space DnD?" The answer is Yes.

[@Eisenwulf666]

Sadly, it fits. I mean, they've had some silly moments in the past, especially in TOS, but these ones are just "edgy evil" dnd villains. They were brilliant strategist and infiltrators, now they are space ninjas with pointy ears.

[@Dhomden]

Romulans were always* Dark Elves to the Vulcan High Elves. They are just reduced to the dumbest Delfs imaginable (Since TNG at least)

[@NunSuperior]

I maintain that these RLM episodes are better than the Picard show. Can we get an RLM Star Trek TV review show? I would pay for that.

[@Marinealver]

I believe it is called Space Cop

[@TheMisanthropeLives]

Same with the SW prequels. The reviews blow the movies away.

[@silverschannel8578]

@@TheMisanthropeLives tbf though, what doesnt

[@RichardTheRoe]

The most depressing part is that Mike actually planned to do a weekly discussion show when Discovery was announced... And then Discovery crushed his soul.

[@colinweldon9175]

"Janway gave all the federation secrets to the Borg for a foot massage" - Rich Evans

[@colinweldon9175]

@@-M0LE and sculpting 🤣

[@brimone1982]

This is actually factually true.

[@britishnerd3919]

"Why didn't they vaporise that with a phaser" because Romulans use disruptors. HAVE YOU SEEN STAR TREK?! Also, technically the ruling on Data was that they couldn't break open his brain, not that all robots were people.

[@shanenokes1170]

British Nerd This is their edited and polished product. Think about that... Either they're idiots or constantly taking the piss.

[@pickle7056]

Those two are HACK FRAUDS!

[@shanenokes1170]

Pickle Yeah they are. I just got to the part where they question where the "money" for Picard to have Chateau Picard would come from. He inherited it and it's a really well-known prestigious fucking operating Vineyard. It's not like it's sitting dormant and wasting away.

[@pickle7056]

@@shanenokes1170 I was being sarcastic. It's a running joke of the channel's. You sound like a friend of mine, who continues to do the mental gymnastics necessary for the script to somehow make sense. :/

[@dalpet3643]

@@shanenokes1170 they know that, if you watch that part again you will see that they say it.

[@HauntedXXXPancake]

Keep doing what you're doing Rich & Mike. Thanks to you, countless People can keep a tab on Star Trek without paying CBS for the displeasure. I hope it's enough for Seth McFarlane to get the rights cheap and fulfil his destiny of becoming Gene Roddenberry II. Crazy times ...

[@adhirg]

shiiiiit, I’d rather give Seth McFarlane a chance at a new show than fucking Bad Robot and Kurtzman. they even put Bad Robots in the show! hell, just convert The Orville into an officially licensed Star Trek show!

[@obscure4847]

I wonder how many people watching the RLM reviews of the new Star Trek show have actually watched it, I know I haven't.

[@Jeviok]

Probably none of them

[@LN37275]

Maybe someone here was forced to watch it with their dumb families :P

[@rickhernandez2114]

I've watched all the episodes. Yeah.. It's not star trek but I'm also watching on Amazon video so I don't have to pay for CBS all access

[@belisariussmith9095]

Never have. Never will.

[@PumaPantalones]

The first episode was free on KZbin, maybe still is. After an explosion hit Picard almost point-blank and he flew backwards 50-100 feet and just brushed it off, I was done. I hope the series lasts though, just so I can watch Rich & Mike talk about it.

[@lobeliabaggins8782]

"I miss Star Trek" this sums it up. We kind of received Star Trekkish feeling but new movies and series have no soul. They just are. I find borg theory really interesting.

[@snavs420]

It reminds me of CSI-level storytelling. It's god awful.

[@gibberconfirm166]

CBS is the worst company to hold Star Trek. All their success is working with hacks. Somehow they made bank with shitty shows, so there's not even economic incentive to call out hacks. I hate Big Bang Theory, but if I ran CBS, by God, that man is a genius!

[@MegaZeta]

As a long-time fan of Star Trek, certainly longer than most of the kids in these comments, I don't really give a fuck about "Star Trekkish feeling" if they used the setting and concept well to make a quality TV series. What matters here is that _Picard_ has all the same problems as _Discovery_ when it comes to being a _TV show:_ even its best actors can't make its dialogue believable; it tries to chain together Star Trek trivia into a story and fails; it's paced like an old jalopy that stalls out going uphill.

[@Marinealver]

Just as Rise of Skywalker has single handedly marginalized all the plot points of Star Wars, then this show can single handedly undo everything about Star Trek.

[@hettfield]

Maldus Alver I think The Force Awakens unmade Star Wars... TROS just finished it.

[@WadeDMcGinnis]

I feel at this point Q was correct in judging Humanity. If this was their eventually route in the show. heh

[@SeekerLancer]

I said the same thing after the first episode. I want Q to show up just to rub Picard's face in it. That's how it should end.

[@WadeDMcGinnis]

@@SeekerLancer Would be the best use of that character.

[@necr0danc3r29]

This whole show is probably a prank by Q's dickhead son.

[@dirus3142]

@@WadeDMcGinnis Best use of the character would have Q snap his fingers and launch directly into a pilot of a new Star Trek show with a team of creators who care.

[@KilliK69]

@@gsofficial is this for real?

[@simplefatkid9971]

I actually hate what they’ve done with Picard’s character.

[@moviemetalhead]

That isn't Picard, it's Sir Patrick Stewart playing Sir Patrick Stewart.

[@go_rilla262]

"You have to disregard that it's Star Trek" That's not how that's supposed to work.

[@PeterBrockie]

My only takeaway from this episode is that Mike started on The Expanse. Looking forward to future RLM videos on that. :D

[@cruZak89]

The Orville is a show that mentions multiple time that their "currency" became prestige/reputation after abolishing the monetary system.

[@drlovejuice9388]

Throw back to when Mike and Rich both completely agreed that Orville was more Star Trek than the reboot of Star Trek

[@jacobesnard]

Came here to say this exact thing. Glad you beat me to it lol.

[@snoopstp4189]

So then Picard's Vineyard wine is divvied up by "prestige" ? The entire "utopian" no money system is bs, you aren't worth what I'm worth, period, end of story.

[@boredfartless4221]

Communism never makes any sense, so neither does Star Trek economics. Reputation doesn't get you a vineyard in an all property is theft future. All citizens are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[@r.daneel.90]

@@boredfartless4221 That's not communism. Star Trek economy was never deeply explained, all stuff comes from the air. So, it doesn't make any sense to analyze it.

[@ashtonrooks7899]

"They don't care about saving Romulus, all they care about is stopping the federation from building robots. That would just be stupid" .... Yep.

[@lispmachine9687]

As a DS9 fan, I loved the Garak 4 seconds on RLM. Garak's life is now complete. Furthermore this Picard series is something I see through re:view, so thank you hacks for taking the bullet for me. I'm grateful you break the ground so I don't have to. These must be trying times for Star Trek, be brave. (Toasts with a glass of kanar)

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Andrew Robinson (Garak) wrote a book about his history prior to ending up on Ds9. To the best of my knowledge it wasn't ghost written and was actually by him, it was a pretty good read. Stitch in Time it was called, dunno if its still in print.

[@Mak10z]

Would you like some Yamok Sauce?

[@byebye1813]

Raise a goblet of blood wine!

[@UloPe]

mak10z don’t think that’s going to go well with Hasperath.

[@EmperorSigismund]

Meanwhile, in the Star Trek writers room. "Guys, I just saw these Star Trek nerds on KZbin. I know how we're going to end the season."

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

@Redresseny i really wonder if Alex Kurtzman or any of the writers has ever watched Star Trek

[@Nevermore414]

@@spiderjeranimo4992 he probably watched a few youtube videos about the lore of star trek lol

[@Xcalibus28]

They're currently REEing at Doomcocks videos.

[@emile1365]

@Redresseny I really wonder if Kurtzman can even operate anything like a tablet or a laptop.

[@thebackup2121]

RLM did say not too long ago, that they realised they may not actually be predicting Hollywood's bad decisions, so much as giving them bad ideas XD I believe that was in reference to the new SW trilogy under Abrams, especially the fact that Rian Johnson is a self-professed RLM viewer.

[@dholmestar]

"They did not care about evaculating" - Rich Evans

[@tlaxietlkyon]

Sic?

[@Streeknine]

Picard's currency is his wine. Whenever he needs something, apparently he just brings along a bottle of wine to buy whatever he needs or get whatever information he wants.

[@ranikannan734]

But sir, I can't give you lemonade for your wine. Im just 8 Picard - fuck you this is why i want robo kid

[@patthetech]

*big sigh* "I miss Star Trek" So Say We All

[@Brownaldo2]

Old Trek had an almost Jane Austen sensibility to the characters and the dignified way in which they interacted with each other. New Trek just doesn’t get that. I’m glad my mum (God rest her soul) didn’t have to see this.

[@tylerwhitney3443]

indeed! It's like ASMR even with the pacing, the silence, the stilness of how it's shot.

[@austinlevreault6211]

Unfortunately Jane Austen is now regarded as being part of the patriarchy, being part of the classic cannon of literature and all.

[@PassiveNights]

Austin Levreault it’s more that her novels are about rich aristocrats and their manners....

[@Bapper0]

Austin Levreault Patriarchy? More like PLUTOCRACY amiright folks?

[@Brownaldo2]

MagnumMia 👏🏻

[@benphua]

Do you guys think it would be a good idea for RLM to do re:views of classic star trek instead? I'd rather get humorous discussions of the classics...

[@DeSinc]

has noone else noticed the freeze frames they keep doing near the start of these? 2:00 they crack me up every time I can't believe how funny it is

[@Marxist_Bidenist]

Upload you fuck I want you to do the funny speed run movements in various games

[@suckersupreme4380]

I’m glad the funny KZbin gamer man also enjoys the funny KZbin movie men

[@itsd0nk]

That’s the RLM magic. You might not have noticed it, but your brain did.

[@Rufflzfeatherz]

Easter Eggs

[@jardelelias5625]

Cutting to a still is an art form, mastered by Mike Stoklasa and Jay Bauman.

[@dknife451]

I'm just glad Mike is finally watching The Expanse. The best sci-fi series made in a long time, and one of the only hard sci-fi series ever made.

[@phantasos12]

Please do a re:View on the Expanse series when you're done with it. I wouldn't even mind if you just compared and contrasted it to Star Trek the whole time.

[@LetsSmokePodcast]

If you did, you wouldn’t be watching any RLM

[@pragon1173]

The Expanse is so wonderful, glad it's still around

[@TheFormActually]

@Horrible Cunt yup, decades. (although I really loved enterprise - but not originally when it aired lol? )

[@ZaGorudan]

Watching Rich and Mike be miserable for 40 minutes was exactly what I needed right now.

[@Barnesofthenorth]

"Some people get the shit jobs" - I love the implication with that editing choice that one of the jobs is "sacrifice yourself to this machine to keep the ship running". Which honestly would fit into the new Star Trek well considering how 40k its become.

[@chazblank2717]

The command test Troi takes pretty much confirms this… to captain a ship, you gotta be able to order Geordi to die.

[@fl3xo]

The guys pointed out that new Trek has a lot of "You are fated to do this...", which is why I'm slightly surprised they didn't point out that the android who blew up Mars was designated "F8" (fate). I'm sure that they noticed, but didn't point it out because they didn't want anyone to think they thought that crap was clever.

[@valer48]

At this point, I would graciously welcome a long series of TNG-era reviews from Mike and Rich breaking down every episode. Just let them go back and enjoy Star Trek without feeling depressed and miserable.

[@SlartiMarvinbartfast]

I second this excellent idea.

[@Ant509y]

Well, considering how season one of TNG is worse than Picard in every single way, a tedious bore at the best of times... maybe they should take off their rose-tinted glasses first.

[@GeorgeMonet]

The Romulans haven't existed for thousands of thousands of years. The writers don't know that the Romulans used to be Vulcans do they? Also the idea that a secret could causs someone's mond ti break is ludicrous in the extreme. A secret is just data.

[@Tiyev]

Yeah. Especially since this isn't some setting that has like, lovecraftian rules, where it's built up, established that things work that way.

[@inkermoy]

Vulcans were actually created as Organic Synths (*cough*Replicants) by the Romulans, who then rebelled and forced the Romulans off Vulcan to find a new home. It's why Spock has the mind like a computer... because he IS a computer!

[@dholmestar]

If Jay doesn't know, the writers don't know

[@necr0danc3r29]

The last episode it'll be revealed that this whole thing was just Q having a laugh

[@jonathanpusar5931]

Nah, new trek writers don't bother to research their own IP

[@Prizm44]

“You’re in a car going 5 miles an hour.... into a cliff, essentially.” Perfect summary of modern TV drama. No self-contained episodes or resolution by the end of the season. Just stringing you along on the road to nowhere until it gets cancelled. This is why I don’t watch 90% of TV series.

[@nifralo2752]

Maybe we could go back to serials like dr who. Like 5 serials each made up of 4 25 minute episodes but each serial is self contained As a compromise

[@CosmicWaltz7]

I worked retail when Game of Thrones was every-where. We had a corner of the store dedicated to Game of Thrones merch. I had numerous acquaintances recommending it to me, and some aspects seemed interesting. But, I had become a bit jaded to the "it never resolves and throws in a new plot point from nowhere to keep recycling the scripts" story-telling of the early 10s. I made it a rule that I'm only going to watch shows that have concluded, because there's weirdly no guarantee there's even the intention of having a conclusion when something is being made now. Then the final season happened, and even the die-hard fans I knew swore off it for good. I know no one that has gone back to the better episodes because of how bad that last season apparently was. That's my impression of modern television: "We've got an audience now, who cares what we do? We'll get spin-offs."

[@ScytheSalinas]

After she called Picard "JL" I completely gave up. I'll watch the episodes through your reviews now.

[@ScytheSalinas]

@@-M0LE yikes.

[@azertyQ]

You didn't finish watching the episode, lol

[@croisaor2308]

2:30 Damn what a great fight scene! I was nearly able to make out what was going on with all those cuts!

[@doctorknow]

The 'Sheer f***n hubris' scene makes my skin cringe off my body in a painful traumatizing way. Now I understand why you repeat it so much, so I can understand your pain. And believe me, I do!

[@PizzaTimeGamingChannel]

DS9 was the perfect balance between episodic and serialized. I don't know why they can't do that again.

[@Pauly421]

Because the company that owns the IP doesn't know anything about what made it good. Plus they hired the worst writers going

[@Persian-Immortal]

Because, kurtzman would need to think and breathe at the same time. He can't do both together!

[@chazblank2717]

Cause that perfect balance was just an accidental product of studio interference and the conflicting visions of writers and producers…

[@Eisenwulf666]

Not a lot of people would watch it, or so they believe.

[@CommissarHolt_]

Even DS9 admitted earth was a paradise and had no problems and therein lied the problem that they could not deal with external threats properly. Which in turn lead to extremism and the signs of destruction of peoples rights when the federation tried to keep earth a paradise under the changeling threat. One of my favorite scenes in trek history is Siskos father using the gas pipes in his kitchen like prison bars and telling him how blinded by paranoia he had become. A very chilling scene. A story similar to that would make sense, not the current picard nonsense.

[@mallios13]

Although honestly, the Maquis was a really weak idea, and one the writers only invented in DS9 for the intro to Voyager to establish a conflicting crew for that show. The Maquis are a flawed concept, because it implies that humans are petty idiots who would rather stick it out on a crappy colony than actually abide by basic logic and relocate to safe territory; the Maquis indicate that humans in this otherwise paradisaical future of human enlightenment are very quick to adopt nationalist ideals, even if it's in regards to a colony. Abiding by Gene's view of humanity at this point in time, the Maquis would never exist, and Sisko's impassioned speech about "It's easy to be a saint in paradise" wouldn't exist, either. Gene's future humans would just get the hell out of dodge, not dig in their heels for no reason and instigate civil conflict with other humans. A colony is not worth dying over, and true Trek humans would know that.

[@shanenokes1170]

Einbjørn What you see in Trek and what's presented are very much at odds.

[@onanthebarbarian4842]

@@mallios13 That's not nationalism, though. Maquis loyalties are to their own, local community, not to that of a greater nation-state or culture. The uncomfortable aspect in terms of national culture where the Maquis are concerned is the dichotomy between the Federation's general culture, and the individual's choices. The Federation expects them to just pick up and leave after it made a deal that affected their lives profoundly, but which they had no say in. TNG also played with this idea a few times, most notably with the episode with the American Indians.

[@isodoublet]

@Benjamin Figgins "Star Trek had always done that to some extent, but DS9 went much further with it." That's putting it mildly. DS9 really kinda nuked the whole thing. Not just the maquis thing but more importantly section 31 retroactively exposed the federation as built on a foundation of lies, a narrative blunder the consequences of which we're still enduring to this day.

[@isodoublet]

@@onanthebarbarian4842 "The Federation expects them to just pick up and leave after it made a deal that affected their lives profoundly, but which they had no say in. " That's called a government. The maquis are childish.

[@alanparris8823]

At the end, that sigh with, "i miss Star Trek..." got me right in the feels.

[@909sickle]

Let's spend a lot of money making a new Star Trek show, but not learn anything about Star Trek

[@JeffreyPiatt]

Rod Roddenberry is the executive producer the show and Patrick Stewart is the executive producer

[@brerbunny]

Maybe the “Picard” series is so depressing and full of conflict because it’s all happening in the Mirror Universe.

[@DreamwalkerFilms]

Didn't they already confirm this in the first episode? I mean who the heck really knows anymore

[@gerogiropa4611]

That's exactly the reason. We're seeing the birth of the Terran Empire in the mirror universe. The tipping point being the decision to not help the Romulans and turn inward.

[@Shozb0t]

Oooooh. That’s a great explanation. Really.

[@PurpleColonel]

This was the fan explanation for why Discovery was all terrible. If I remember right that turned out to be true, but the second season was just as bad.

[@pedrotorresboreli9708]

It's all a scenario created by Q to teach Picard a lesson, but again, the scenarios made by Q were fun to watch.

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

The Expanse is terrific. My favorite current show.

[@xtrakewlguy666]

Glad we have The Expanse and Altered Carbon to watch while classics like Star Wars and Star Trek are just having diarrhea sprayed all over them constantly.

[@lg3106]

"They created the Borg" - Rick Evans 2020. My money is on that

[@cthulufunk]

It's just stupid enough for the writers of Nu-Trek

[@BlancheDP]

It's going to be worse: Romulans are artificial lifeforms.

[@frankmerker630]

Rick? What’s up with Ricks?

[@SirDobbsdaGr8]

If that's where they are going with this i will rage quit the show. So far I am giving it a legitimate chance

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

@@BlancheDP Romulans are actually Cylons

[@Linklex7]

I love how this Picard recap just turns into a Voyager appreciation video in the end.

[@anirudhk217]

"What is this, an action movie?" Goddamn it made me spit my coffee