Star Trek Discovery (Pilot Episodes) - re:View

[@Goshdarnet]

It breaks my heart to see these old Re:Views when they're talking about STD. Mike is trying so hard to be optimistic and to like it. It makes me so sad to think how badly they failed long time Star Trek fans like Mike. Meanwhile, Rich knew. Rich knew right from the start. Poor, jaded Rich.

[@BigCowProductions]

I found RLM from their Picard reviews. I've exhausted all of those and the TNG reviews, and now are watching these. Maaaaaan, poor Mike here. I can tell what you're saying for sure here.

[@JustABitJank]

@@BigCowProductions Yeah I just came back to this after watching their finale episode and goddamn its really insane how this seemed a bit jaded at the time, but now is such adorable naive optimism.

[@SEATACx]

As a super new fan of RLM going back and watching the old stuff, I'm feeling that heartbreak in reverse and it's somehow even more sad lol.

[@BigCowProductions]

@@SEATACx That's what I went through recently too

[@hexrisk]

Even more so now..

[@arthurchen6464]

"The ratings are nose-diving! Bring out Spock!!!" Mike Stoklasa, 2017

[@monsieurcondottiero2685]

a highly logical prediction 🖖

[@drbarx]

Watching this in 2022 it's clear that KurtzmanTrek has aged Mike at least a decade in the last 5 years.

[@mearl3977]

Don't forget about the amount of booze it takes to do best of the worst...

[@SaskDuder]

Star wars got the gray going in his mustache area, and Star Trek did the rest

[@Fusspilzsammler1]

Why does this Evans always have to mention that he's rich? That's so annoying. Hackfraud.

[@turtleanton6539]

Boastet

[@jacobberry5138]

He is throwin bait to get laid.

[@dontsubscribe8292]

@@jameslwjtoler what lawsuit?

[@TheGoonhole]

He made his millions doing the laugh for the rat creature in Jabba’s palace.

[@Robosobojobo146471]

He can be a real dick. Especially on his birthday

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

In the time of STP, I enjoy coming back and watching the boys when they were young and optimistic.

[@pingpong5877]

They were young?

[@BoleDaPole]

Biden is already a walking corpse, can't wait see him stumble through a second term

[@jasonexplosion154]

Look how they massacred my boys.

[@YouLousyKids]

It is *jarring* how hopeful they are that STD will try to be a good show. I just want to hug them and steer them away from the danger.

[@aarondavis8943]

Alex Kurtzman gave me an STD.

[@landonny]

Rich Evans attempts to talk to a Star Trek encyclopedia.

[@arlostein1000]

Maladjusted man speaks to unstable obsessive

[@zagnorch1336]

I've always thought of Mike as the Star Trek encyclopedia's main text, and Rich the index and endnotes section.

[@landonny]

@@notmewtwo4044 I remember it like it was yesterday.

[@Nemcoification]

@@zagnorch1336 Does that make Jay the cover?

[@PlagueOfGripes]

I watched Orville for the first time right after Discovery. It's amazing how clear it is how one group of creators loves Star Trek, and the other wants to ride its corpse downhill.

[@R0B1NG5]

Which one is which?

[@Combiner81]

How bad is the Seth MacFarlanesness, though? Is he reeling it in?

[@OneColdMonkey]

I really hope they give Orville a chance to find itself. It seems like its got potential. Maybe regret over what Fox did to Firefly will help it get that chance.

[@AlvarazCMSB]

Hey I just got here from watching your new video, love your work!

[@brawlmaster89]

PlagueOfGripes plague did you finish that fence

[@soulhound8739]

After the latest Picard review I came here to see the beginning of Mike’s decent into madness.

[@edmaldonado8207]

Me too.

[@Bozogumps]

Me too. They have hope again in season 3

[@imperialspy805]

Descent*

[@smartalec2001]

The moment at the beginning, as Rich’s mind catches up with Mike’s abbreviations joke before the punchline, makes me chuckle every time.

[@JosefPiano]

He forgot ENT though

[@PaleBrownDot]

​@@JosefPiano Everyone forgets ENT

[@keeleon]

I feel like if the new Star Trek is mostly about War, they should give it a different name. But for the life of me I can't think of one.

[@DarthEvilicus]

Like a war in the stars?

[@FrancoisDressler]

Battle of the Stars?

[@chewbokkiee9507]

STAR WARS you fucking idiots, but that's already taken obviously.

[@Michael_ORourke]

Star Trek: WAR

[@User-gs1dk]

Celestial Body of Hot Gas Military Conflict

[@Edzhik]

Upon rewatching this one it kinda seems like Mike is in bargaining stage of grief and Rich has straight-up accepted that this show is bad and never will be anything else.

[@aaronwebb1548]

@@zeppelinboys Is that last one real?

[@stranger59]

Who cares about Discovery? Just come back and talk about random Star Trek stuff every few weeks. Just ramble on for hours about Star Trek. I'd watch that. Talk about all the times Worf got beat up just to show how much stronger someone else was.

[@CJtheRad]

I'm good with that.

[@stevethegeck0]

Good to know you got your wish lol

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

Remember when we used to be explorers? ~ Jean-Luc Picard, Nemesis.

[@dtm_666]

Actually, it's Insurrection, but whatever.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

We all try to forget Insurrection.

[@alcosmic]

pewpewpewpewpewpew pewpewpewpewpewpew

[@GeorgeMonet]

@@pickeljarsforhillary102 Star Trek, His Erection.

[@JoelRiter]

@scorenut hey there buddy boy. You do realize that's always been Picard, but more notably, Star Trek, right? Like, Gene Roddenberry almost couldn't get Star Trek made because all the TV execs felt that way about Roddenberry. The new Star Treks are performative wokeness. You see, the older Star Trek was about exploration and trying to create, not a galactic empire but community. Almost like having different communities with different voices having a say and basic rights. Almost like an ideology based around communities and the rights of the individuals within those communities. With the societies deciding as a whole were resources go. Almost like a community ism or a social type of ism. Almost like media and culture in the US especially has always been conservative and quick to reject leftist ideas only allowing some ideas in as a way to be performatively woke to trick liberals into watching to make them feel ok about their meager lives and to give conservatives a reason to be angry to draw attention to the shit product for free advertising.

[@SilverCyan]

"Let's go 15-20 years, where's the Federation at. Because then you can have cameos from Patrick Stewart..." Mike needs to stop giving people ideas

[@alesin1992]

Picard is Mike's fault. Spock in season 2 is Mike's fault. JJ Abrams directing episodes 7 and 9 is Mike's fault. Shut the fuck up Mike, you elderly grandmaster of tactical hackfraudery.

[@veespa_]

@@alesin1992 it’s like they watch these, take the worst ideas, & there’s one guy in the room that says, “uh… guys? They’re saying they want us to slow things down, focus on character dynamics, stick to the themes & formula of what made old Trek great. Shouldn’t we be seeing what we can do to get on that path?” Then, one of two things happens: 1) the guy says, “hahahaha I’m just kidding, why would we ever do some dumb bullshit like that?!” _OR_ 2) another writer in the room pulls out a gun, kills the first guy, & then they get an intern to bury the corpse.

[@alesin1992]

@@veespa_ They get the intern to write the script while they consume the corpse.

[@urekmazino6519]

I'm sad about my experience with STD

[@kevarosenberg]

I enjoyed my STD experience lol

[@doggomcpuppers4784]

Urek Mazino mine left me with a strange burning sensation

[@themilanguy1]

@@doggomcpuppers4784 slide whistle

[@Wilburgur]

38:20 Oh. They predicted S2.

[@ibenholston]

WOWEEEE

[@redneckgopnik8164]

You old skooma Junkie ;D

[@noneed4me2n7]

Buckle Your Fuckle yeah but trying to sell it to normies is near impossible. It's nice to see that them getting a bigger fan base they still the same ole' a$$holes. Gotta luv em. I hope they keep doing this for years.

[@MovieMagic515]

@@noneed4me2n7 How? Just what

[@noneed4me2n7]

@@MovieMagic515 what? I don’t get what u want to know?

[@clearmountain28]

Its heartbreaking to rewatch this after their Picard reviews. Mike, and even Rich, had hope..........then new Trek killed it......

[@element6537]

Wow, Jay really let himself go. He also got an amazingly shrill laugh. I guess that's what hanging out with Mike does to you.

[@herpittyderpitty5309]

Don't forget about his crippling diabetus.

[@JeffToner]

Whos Jay? Do you mean Susan?

[@mikekz4489]

The Orville also has an audience because they can watch it on platforms they already have.

[@Sines314]

Yah, that's a big seller. There are a lot of reasons I'm not interested in getting me some STD, but having to pay for it is the biggest practical reason. Although, they're also putting that young Sheldon Cooper on that streaming service too, and my girlfriend is a big Big Bang Theory fan, so maybe I'll end up getting access to it anyway.

[@czdaniel1]

Man, if you pay a girl for All-Access, she will give you STD

[@ScruffyLookin1138]

Right? The fact that someone would have to pay for a whole streaming service for a show that is called Star Trek but isn't really is asinine

[@bryanmcfadden4071]

@@Sines314 big bang theory is absolute gobshite

[@scottfitzpatrick1939]

man its heart breaking how much Mike wanted to like STD. RIP star trek

[@CarlEmmoth]

Mike foresees Spock by only see the pilots. Impressive

[@wraith1977]

Came back to rewatch these re:views. Mike was so hopeful, god bless him. 😂

[@amiciprocul8501]

Fun fact: when you're commanding officer dies, the best thing to do to avenge them is to disobey their direct orders.

[@dodojesus4529]

@@westerling8436 but why though?

[@dodojesus4529]

@@westerling8436 why should i?

[@dodojesus4529]

@@westerling8436 you start screaming shut up the you say shut up because i said so, nah fam. And why did youbwant hjm to shut up in the first place?

[@dodojesus4529]

@@westerling8436 hehe you tell people to shut up...because, i don't think ive seen someone quite so precious before

[@dodojesus4529]

@@westerling8436 you come here telling people to shut up and don't even try to support that, i want a reason

[@Trillykins]

I saw the trailer for The Orville and thought it looked like absolute shit. Saw the series (after word-of-mouth informed me that the trailer completely misrepresents the series as a Star Trek parody) and ended up enjoyed it quite a bit. Considering the RT disparity between critics and audience, I'm not the only one. Feels like Star Trek TNG, but with a crew that isn't the paragon of humanity. Yeah, the budget clearly isn't super large and it has flaws, but the time flew by while watching the show and has generally done a good job of subverting my expectations. Saw Star Trek Discovery, a show critics have praised, which has amazing visuals and a seemingly unlimited budget, and thought it was garbage. I could barely make it through the pilot episodes. The writing in this was fucking awful. I'm not a Star Trek fan, so it has nothing to do with it not being Star Trek enough or whatever. It's entirely due to how shit the writing is. The Klingons just made me laugh. Yeah, I appreciate the attempt making everyone speak Klingon, but it sounds stupid and it impedes the actors ability to, you know, act, and everyone else is speaking English anyway, so there's literally no reason for it and you're making the scenes worse by doing it. Also, the mouth prosthetic was a mistake. You can clearly hear the actors struggle to talk with it, which further ruins their performances. When I saw the show was created by Alex Kurtzman, the writer of such amazing shit as Transformers II, Star Trek: Into Darkness, and The Mummy 2017, it finally made sense why it was such a mess.

[@TheSelloutCrowd]

Mike still had light in his eyes back then.

[@Hdarg]

Just watched this video 3 years after release. Oh Mike... you were filled with hope and trying to be positive with the future. He just didn't know what Alex Kurtzman was capable of doing. Just broke my heart seeing so much hope...

[@TheLoremasterNojah]

"I didn't mean to say that the Discovery should be hauling garbage - I meant to say that it should be hauled away AS garbage."

[@Madman-ym8dh]

TheLoremasterNojah Don't you think you might want to rephrase that?

[@macgeek2004]

I love you both. XD

[@allenharper2928]

Madman Nope, original assesment was accurate. 😂😂😂

[@joshuatanner6409]

Ha that's a good one

[@WilAdams]

Great call back to the Tribbles episode of TOS

[@vaporizejello]

Starship Shen Zhou. In Chinese Shen Zhou (神舟) actually means 'starship'. So... you're telling me you called it 'Starship Starship'? Smart.

[@silverschannel8578]

Well, literally it means "divine ship," not exactly the word for spaceship, and contemporary Chinese ships are actually called Shenzhou 1, or 2, or 3, or whatever. Spaceship in Mandarin would be 宇宙飞船 (space flying ship) or 飞船 (flying ship) for short

[@vectoor91]

Hey I'm from the future. SpaceX's upcoming spacecraft is literally just called starship.

[@donwald3436]

Sounds pretty woke.

[@MelindaColden]

godammit moon moon

[@arlostein1000]

The ship so nice they stuttered

[@DeadHorse84]

Watching the review for 6,7,8 of Picard first and then going back to this really let's you see how much light has faded from Rich and Mike's eyes.

[@tonypine3434]

as steven segal once said 'without darkness, light can't exist.'

[@Vindsvelle]

4:30 "But, Star Trek isn't effects alone!" - *hand disappears behind superimposed screen*. Please tell me that was deliberate.

[@RaymLovesEggs]

I miss TNG.

[@jinvid]

Raym Loves Eggs yep! TNG had Q!

[@JoshuaBeaverhousen]

Yaassss

[@doggomcpuppers4784]

Jin Luncheonmeats also the passion and effort that went into the story telling.

[@adamfrazer5150]

@@HC-qc5rp totally with you, I think the feeling will only grow. You've probably been force fed this suggestion already, but if you've not given Orville a shot, please do - after a handful of episodes it was clear (and I'm not a huge fan of McFarlane)how much care and genuine passion has gone into making the very closest to the spirit and atmosphere of TNG. I hope you enjoy it 🍻

[@oliviergagnon8719]

I miss cocaine

[@NarcissistAU]

Yeah watching this now, wow, the fairness and gentle optimism they had. That we all had. Were we really so innocent/naïve? It feels like a Spielberg film from the 80's, not something we lived.

[@chaddubois8164]

Coming back to watch this after everything that happens with Discovery and Picard. It's like watching Mike and Rich in boot camp before they're shipped off to war.

[@Blade_Runner_79]

They misspelled the word *PROPHECY* in the Klingon speech. And that prophecy is one of the main plot points driving the whole series. How do you botch that?! They went through all the effort of clearly enunciating the Klingon language and having the fancy font but they missed the simple thing of spelling the word correctly (even after being reviewed by innumerable editors and spell checking). I think that is indicative of this whole series; they miss essential details but lavish attention on a lot of window dressing.

[@elduderino1635]

Welcome to modern Hollyschmock!

[@musicamaxima]

I haven’t seen this ep in for ever but was it prophecy or prophesy? Both are words they just mean different things.

[@gloryon5609]

i never saw a single episode of STD and i watching all of this videos like 10th time

[@asfdasdful]

Working my way backwards through this anthology has been amazing. The best part is ill never watch a second of these shows.

[@doctorjoyboylove]

I disagree with Geordie LaForge having no character. In fact, when I was young, he was the one human character I could relate the most to, because he was very talented (I wanted to be), kind (I considered myself to be), but was also very unsure especially with women (I definitely was). His problems were a main issue in "Booby Trap", which was always one of my favourite episodes. I think Harry Kim was ment in the same direction but was not developed as much as a character.

[@kushan101]

Late to the party, as always, but i agree. I liked Kim for all the same reasons you listed liking Geordie for.

[@Hunpecked]

I remember "Booby Trap". I was yelling at the TV, "Don't take the ship in there! Send a shuttle! Send a shuttle, you morons!" I hate it when the heroes have to be retarded in order to advance the plot. 😀

[@axenledgie1423]

Kim and Geordi were the modest characters in their respective series, which I like.

[@freedone.]

There are a lot of Star Trek apologists who are trying to explain why they think STD is good. It reminds me a lot of the Seinfeld episode when George was trying to break up with a woman and kept telling her all of his faults. Even when George told her he was gay she STILL was okay with it - in complete denial - which also made it funny and absurd. This new Star Trek show is absurd and unlikable despite a lot of money and talent. The Orville is a solid show. I've also been watching Dark Matter which is excellent. The new Star Trek is just a shadow of what makes Trek great.

[@GeorgeMonet]

She wasn't ok with George being gay. Rather she didn't believe that George was gay.

[@mouser98k]

Thanks for the heads up on The Orville. I'm a trekkie but I never heard of it. Watching Ep 1 now, it's hilarious

[@Odysseun]

I'm still hoping amazon or netflix picks up dark matter 😔

[@joshuacalkins]

Rewatching this I am thinking “you poor bastards have no idea what’s coming.” And that idea about jumping forward 20 years to take advantage of 3 casts worth of appropriately aged actors...you poor, poor bastards. Edit: “ratings are down..bring out Spock!” You think they’d do that? Hahahaha

[@Spessforce]

Rereading this I am thinking “oh you had no idea just how bad it could get”.

[@allencampbell3350]

Rich nailed it with the Orville audience. That's why I watch it. It harkens back to when Trek had heart and charm.

[@whodatninja439]

Allen Campbell I mean it's basically a rip off of TNG with unfunny jokes, so if you just want that then sure

[@cezar211091]

+Patriot Cat How about..Star..Wars?

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

Because pandering and stupid jokes=charm

[@ScruffyLookin1138]

Allen Campbell the Orville isn't my cup of tea, especially because i don't find Seth Macfarlane funny. But based on the Pilot, it captures the feeling look of Star Trek more than STD. The music alone in the Pilot episode i think could fit into a Trek show.

[@ScruffyLookin1138]

Allen Campbell Allen Campbell the Orville isn't my cup of tea, especially because i don't find Seth Macfarlane funny. But based on the Pilot, it captures the feeling look of Star Trek more than STD. The music alone in the Pilot episode i think could fit into a Trek show.

[@DDX1944]

Is absolutely heartbreaking coming back to see these reviews...Insane how hopeful and lenient Mike was, while it was actually Rich that was kinda smelling the shit from 2 miles away. Although Mike at the end did recover by predicting spock lmao

[@DreadPathZone]

I would really love to see one of these with Mike and rich discussing the first few episodes of The Orville. That's far more star-trek-y than discovery

[@kevarosenberg]

Discovery has yet to really begin tho, so how could you know?

[@gryphon9507]

Orville kicks this things ass as a place I would want to live in. This was pretty JJ verse effects, but I can't stand this universe CBS has written.

[@TheAtlasReview]

Rich is right about everything ever, except his insistence against retro aesthetics in these things. A consistent style and continuity is more important than looking futuristic, like how Alien should look like bulky CRTs and pipes. That's what people want to see, not holograms. You can easily have a hybrid that looks retro and sleek, Doctor Who pulls it off.

[@GOLDFISH817]

It would still need an upgrade

[@BoleDaPole]

He's just mad bc the show doesn't cater to nerdy white guys anymore.

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

@@BoleDaPole Star Trek has not been exclusively catering to nerdy white guys as far back as DS9.

[@thecpmr6276]

Actually, the doctor who thing is a good point. There's something to be said about a long series with consistent continuity. That IS coming from someone who hasn't seen much of TOS, mind you.

[@youtubeaccount697]

@@BoleDaPole ?

[@Faenwolf]

I am 100 percent with you. Especially Rich. TNG showed a world where I wanted to live in. The new show is just action pew pew in space. I miss having a crew I can relate to. TNG, DS9, VOY were like families. I don't like having this single main character structure so far... Should not have been a prequel, too. One good thing about Discovery though: Sound design was great. So many familiar Star Trek noises. That was nice... but look and sound don't make up for plot and character design.

[@Faenwolf]

Unfortunately here in germany there is no legal way to watch Orville yet - But I hope some streaming service or network will pick that one up.

[@christiegreenwood2642]

Good Lord, it's been two episodes. AS IF the crew of DS9 had felt like family after the frigging pilot. You know, when that show aired, there was a lot of bitching about how different it is, too. What the hell happened to IDIC? This fandom is truly the epitome of angry, entitled geekiness. Crikey.

[@Faenwolf]

Angry and entitled... Sure. Whatever you say.

[@doncoyote68]

@Christie Greenwood For me I'm giving the show a season or so to grow into itself. But I completely understand why people might want any Star Trek show to be the best kind of show. I think with Star Trek people should be allowed to hold it to very high standards. It's a franchise with a huge legacy behind it. Also I don't see most people being particular angry.

[@davidhenriksson285]

Faenwolf Just like the new star wars. Bombarding us with shit so we are to tired to see the flaws

[@bertimusprime7900]

The biggest difference between the changes to Klingons between TOS and TNG, and between DS9 and STD is that TOS had barely a year of development, but there was over a decade of development of them as a race and culture across multiple series.

[@silver6kraid]

Okay, seriously, Jay and Josh have to do a re:View of Twin Peaks the Return now that Mike and Rich did this, right?

[@daiselol]

please god, yes. so much for them to talk about

[@NEETfreak1]

I'm so happy I watched that Re:View before I saw the Return. It made me appreciate Laura's scream so much.

[@lolocaustsupplier1065]

I would only watch it if it took the form of a reenactment. Starring Rich Evans as no less than 5 characters, in the style of Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor remakes.

[@ChuckPalomo]

Ah Twin Peaks. I though there were still 10 episodes left when it ended suddenly and without warning. I still have blue balls from it.

[@kalishinko]

"This is 2017. You can't make Star Trek: Voyager anymore." Tell that to Seth MacFarlane.

[@jackboothe9216]

tbf there's no time for voyager

[@arlostein1000]

You forgot his title Seth (plagiarist) McFarlane

[@thenotmangaman8885]

arlo stein Jimmy Corrigan

[@LowellMorgan]

You do have Star Trek fans among you viewers. We'd appreciate you doing more discussions like this since you know Star Trek and aren't total wankers.

[@XtoriezNovel]

Star Trek was supposed to be clean, bright and friendly. Star Wars was supposed to be the anti-trek, dirty, dark and filthy. Somewhere along the line they merged and met in the middle.

[@ladyhm.6748]

Where do you get that impression of Star Wars?

[@stevenwright7070]

@@ladyhm.6748 star trek feels more clean and star war have a more gritty

[@Canadish]

@@ladyhm.6748 The old Star Wars always had an oily, greasy look to its ships. They were dirty and rough, because they draw on the feeling of Western movies, and gave our heros a working class feel to them. The Empire was always clean, cold and sterile by contrast. Star Wars is a dystopia that is fixed via the movies events. Star Trek was always utopian, so the ships were bright, warm and appealing looking.

[@bowenorcutt78]

"Star Trek is about a bright future" Figuratively AND literally, and this show failed at both!

[@chance2smoke]

I just have to point out Nemoy's subtle yet convincing job of personal doubt and shame in the scene at 34:26. The power of mom.

[@tygrahof9268]

Pointing out the coffee stain made me lose it. Classic Star Trek set!

[@bobsaggat]

How many years before they do a remake of quantum leap? Only DARKER!?!?

[@Plaguewielder88]

Jon Deal and AIRWOLF

[@kevarosenberg]

Quantum Leap did get dark tho, and the last episode was very unusual and sad. I cried

[@stephencarroll4681]

If they really want to attract a wider audience, how about a Star Trek show that uses the rekindled interest in science and astronomy and blends the classic science side of Trek with popular culture by doing trippy, pop-science episodes? You have stuff like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Interstellar that are popular, Inception and Doctor Who, Stranger Things, even Vsauce and Mind-blowing Facts... if they want normies they should realize there's a massive audience who would be more happy to say "mind=blown" or "I learned more from this than 12 years of school" after you have episodes about spaghettification or fun paradoxes, or biological curiosities for alien races. I don't know if Trek fans would be chafed by the over-explaining of stuff for more casual viewers but they could certainly appreciate the focus on science rather than boom boom 'splosions and people endlessly punching each other in the face for "drama." You could also easily work in the political and ethical stuff that Trek fans want. In lieu of that you could still do a smart enough drama in the vein of Doctor Who which isn't always the most scientific but still has the wonder of discovery, and all you'd need to pull in an entire show-dedicated demo and balance the fan gender percentages is a few attractive leads (a la Sherlock, Doctor Who, Supernatural). Plus f they sacrifice their short-term greed and put it on Netflix in the US it has some practically guaranteed pop culture effects with the way Netflix is going. They have so many options for this to be a big hit. Instead they do something that turns most people off-- oh it's a dour space show, I don't want to watch that-- and alienates the core fanbase. It's just amazing how wrong the hands that Star Trek is in are.

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

It's even worse in Picard they even have a "magic tool"! There is not one example of interesting science used in interesting ways. Only explanation is science illiteracy in the writers room.

[@tamlandipper29]

You already wrote a more interesting unit of entertainment than the new show.

[@KodiakCaptures]

Star Trek Discovery was the most disappointing thing since my son.

[@mollywatch]

That is fucking hilarious and good on you...but really it wasn't that bad. My son? Well that's a suicide in a 7-11 bathroom in the making.

[@KodiakCaptures]

I have yet to watch it. Hopefully the final product is better than the trailer, like Star Trek Beyond.

[@beanacomputer]

Are you Thel 'Vadam's dad? I would be super disappointed if my son lost a Halo then allied with the humans.

[@bmcelvan]

How many episodes of TNG were there that did not include ANY ship firing? Now you can't have a show or movie like that ("Sooooo many lightsabers on the screen at one time"). To me, that's sad...it's like we're not allowed to use our brains anymore to feel...we have to be shown how to feel...which is stupid!

[@aBoogivogi]

Also I strongly dislike that ship phasers have gone from slightly more realistic solid beams of which they typically have only one or two to a shit ton of small laser cannons scattered about the ship. It just makes the whole scene look like a massive clusterfuck making it impossible to see what is actually happening and judge the consequences. It's like when the shenshu lost 3 decks. That sort of thing would mean the enterprise would be more or less out of commission or hightailing it out of there. Instead they just zip around shooting as though nothing had happened. The stakes have no time to sink in and the show pays them no concern so why should we as an audience care?

[@conrad1on]

I was surprised how much the guys here seemed to like the show. Certainly more than I did.

[@jackboothe9216]

i notice they haven't come back to talk about subsequent episodes yet...time will tell i guess. i found myself saying out loud during the third or fourth episode "oh, fuck you" over and over again...so, michael burnham hasn't grown on me yet, but, maybe that's just me.

[@conrad1on]

+Lee Yates I'm not familiar enough with how they do things to know if it's unusual or not that they haven't returned to it. It's not just you either; I'm not sure I've seen anyone claim they like her. They should kill her off and make the captain the main character, like he should have been in the first place

[@ToumalRakesh]

They caught on to the fact that STD is a Kurtzmanian dumpster fire by now. They gave it more leeway than it deserved back then.

[@rahn45]

The Orville: You'll probably feel happier after watching it. STD: You'll probably feel sad after watching it.

[@gtc9966]

I'm watching both to level me out..

[@ZiPolishHammer]

Heroin: You'll probably feel happier after doing it.

[@SquierStrat72]

The Orville: I DO feel happier after watching it. STD: I feel like I almost caught an std from watching it.

[@Marssnowable]

I wanted to like the orville.. but theres no subtlety to the jokes, theyre like someone threw family guy jokes into a star trek show.

[@sweptay]

I liked the Orville, it's better when they're not going out of their way just for the sake of a joke, but it didn't kill it for me.

[@SB0780]

There was an albino Klingon in the Deep Space Nine episode 'Blood Oath'. And other races such as the Bajorans, Cardassians and Romulans - I thought they gave those races a lot of variations. Great review!

[@nealho]

SB0780 They never specified he was Klingon.

[@krumplethemal8831]

STD is a perfect acronym for the show, it's something you don't want when you want something cool.

[@jemmrich]

The Klingons look like all their faces swelled up from being stung by a hoard of space bees.

[@tyrgoossens]

Someone smuggled a tribble onboard and they're having a really bad allergic reaction. I don't know why so many people seem to like the new klingons, I can't tell any of them apart.

[@craigs71]

It's pretty hard to see emotions with the new klingons due to the overdone makeup, I do like the 'we come in peace' blurb followed later by a battle?!

[@beelzibubbles]

They look like they for some reason interbred with the Cardassians.

[@Nieghorn]

I thought they were Uruk Hai, but clean shaven and with their best clothes on. :D

[@islandplace7235]

I'm 20, my girlfriend is 19 and we watch tng. We're part of a "modern audience" but that hopeful optimism is just what we need.

[@flybeep1661]

Critics according to Rotten Tomatoes like Discovery over Orville. But the audience according to IMDB prefer Orville over Discovery. Personally, I consider Orville better. Lastest episode (4) was great.

[@tr11251]

Not even a trekkie but Picard saying 'let's see what's out there' gives me a little tingle up my spine also this channel needs just more guys sitting around talking about their favourite tng episodes involving data

[@derpotheday3897]

Why TNG Was Perfect: 178 Episodes.

[@omnivorousbiped2447]

This is the best RLM content in recent memory. I'd watch you two jabber for another hour.

[@KenRosenbergGrad]

It's funny that Rich didn't notice at first, but Michael switching the phaser to kill is exactly the moment I decided I didn't like Star Trek Discovery. It was deliberate in a way that contradicted everything we were supposed to understand about her Vulcan upbringing, without being earned or emotionally well-presented.

[@nicolasmontes7207]

The Klingons are going to be like the White Walkers. Every episode its gonna be "They´re coming!"

[@erentheca]

I always thought the next step should have been pretty obvious - explore other galaxies. Now that they have the visual effects, they could use intergalactic exploration as an excuse to show off those visual effects by introducing extremely alien characters - ie, not bipedal humanoids. Stargate Universe was, ironically, more Star Trek in theme than many of the latest incarnations of Star Trek - ironic because some Stargate fans didn't like it for taking a creative departure from SG1 and SGA. Stargate Universe had several episodes devoted to pure exploration. The theme of the show was about learning more about the universe, taking great risks purely to obtain knowledge.

[@GeorgeMonet]

You don't need to go to another universe to show quadrupeds. There are supposed to be what, billions of planets in our galaxy alone? But it really is a question of whether quadrupeds would ever develop complex brains because the very fact that they are quadrupeds suggest that they interact with the world through their mouths instead of their hands. So you'd basically just have elephants. Large brains but not enough cognition.

[@thinkstump]

Nothing has ever snapped me back into my 90's childhood like seeing that TNG commercial ad. Holy damn. It was sharp as an olfactory triggered memory. Love you RLM

[@CarlSlime]

The most appropriately RLM way to start an episode.

[@kanothe187]

The Klingons look like the bastard offspring of TNG Klingons and Prometheus Engineers cosplaying with Man of Steel Kryptonian costumes.

[@floppywalrus409]

No No you say that like it's a bad thing 😏

[@Sines314]

I hate the design. They look so fundamentally different. They look more like Cardassians than any Klingons we've seen so far. I don't mind updating the look a little bit, but if you didn't tell me they were klingons, I would never have guessed. Sure, there was a huge change going from TOS to the films and TNG, but that was because they went from having no budget, to having a budget. There was no reason to change them like this. I'll take the criticism back if there is a reason for this new look though. Maybe it's tied into the augment virus. As silly of an excuse for smooth foreheaded TNG Klingons as it was, there is actually good story-telling potential in seeing how the Klingons deal with that virus.

[@jonathanhernandez3292]

No No they look like giant dried prunes

[@thetramp123]

At least they don't fly around in those small Kryptonian penis ships from Man of Steel

[@socialmedia4637]

Glad they showed 18:21 Day of the Dove - I always thought it was kinda funny how they kept Shatner's reaction to being slapped on the back by Micheal Ansara. He instinctively wanted to hit back because it stung!

[@onen6942]

@35:34 Superweapon threatening the alpha quadrant? Mike literally guessed the plot for season 2 while covering the pilot, goddamn

[@tsnap84]

I absolutely love your Star Trek discussions. Please revisit this show after some episodes pass.

[@TheQuietWelshman]

The first two episodes of Star Trek Discovery felt like a season finale of show we didn't see

[@cristianmassad8999]

Now, the door is opened to a Twin Peaks The return review, please Jay, go ahead and do it!

[@cristianmassad8999]

The same here, it was wonderful, scary, trascendental, the best thing i ever seen.

[@kenchun24]

Yes! Jay and Neckbeard TP:The Return RE:view

[@TheColonelKlink]

I gotta say. The closer I get to the future the more disappointing it appears.

[@czdaniel1]

+Klink -- "They promised us flying cars & hoverboards...what we got was 140-charachters"

[@TheColonelKlink]

czdaniel1 You said it. Big lol. :)

[@marcrollins]

Howd o you get closer to the future?

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

Pepsi didn't even make commemorative bottles back in 2015 that had that upside-down look. That was entirely disappointing because it was 100% doable.

[@AxelBrass]

Ready Player One seems like a more likely future the older I get. Who needs reality when you can just keep escaping from it? :(

[@markgrehan3726]

What killed Enterprise for me was the choice of Time Travel as the main overarching plot............. I really dislike Time Travel storylines they always end up overcomplicated and silly.

[@Qaosbringer]

Orville: critics hated it fans loved it. Discovery: critics loved it fans hated it.

[@AlexRMcColl]

As a fan, I think I hated Discovery because it's a bad JJ-Abrams version of "Prelude to Axanar." I would have much rather seen a Roddenberry style Axanar TV show about a gritty war with the Klingons.

[@basilscruby1082]

Yeah, but when it comes to anything involving Seth Macfarlane, you can replace "fans" with "fucking idiots" so

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

I'm a fan and i loved it. I don't think it's nothing to do with J.J. Abrams

[@Knowbody42]

Lots of people don't like Seth but did like the Orville.

[@spartakalania7716]

QAOSbringer I like both.

[@connordavisj]

But you can have knobs and switches as a vision of the future. Alien: Isolation took the approach of retrofuturism in its design and this granted it a unique, gorgeous, and immediately identifiable look. You can't tell if you're looking at a new Star Wars or Alien or Star Trek movie anymore. It's boring. It takes away the visual identity of the series.

[@connordavisj]

ArcanePath360 Mate, Isolation is full of CRT's, computers running on physical reading, switches and knobs galore, beige plastics, and simple beeps and whirs. And it goes further. Everything from chairs and tables to toys and advertisements are designed from an 80's perspective that abandons modern visual forms and colors.

[@connordavisj]

Cristian Dumitrascu Of course I remember Muther, and to this day it remains a ridiculously unique looking room.

[@williamarthurfenton1496]

Klingons now look more like they belong to the Xindi.

[@emperormarcusaureliusanton5995]

William Fenton and I was just about to entirely forget the Xindi

[@shakezoola1114]

I thought the Kzindi were more interesting than the Xindi.

[@I3rigand]

I thought Enterprise failed because instead of making the show about what it was actually supposed to be about (Humanity meeting all these important races for the first time, forging alliances and testing their beliefs and morals against the challenges they'd face etc. etc.) they made it about some fucking temporal cold war which bore seemingly no relation to anything which happened later in Star Trek and which was completely out of left field. Enterprise's later seasons which were more about the sort of thing everyone expected were well reviewed and well watched, people liked the later episodes more... and then it got cancelled because they bungled the first two seasons so badly. Indeed, the parts of Enterprise peopled liked least (apart from stuff like Dear Doctor where the show writers showed a baffling misunderstanding of basic morality or the Federations ethics) were non-TNG style episodes, they were overarching plot and story-driven parts of the show which weren't episodic or self contained like a lot of TNG, and because a lot of people didn't like the overarching plot they didn't like that part of the show. The reason Voyager did badly had nothing to do with it's basic episodic nature and had everything to do with the dramatic shifts in the crew's personalities and the quality of writing and the fact that a lot of episodes just sucked. It wasn't the basic format which wore people out, it was the format done badly and individual episodes which were poorly executed and poorly written. And speaking of Enterprise, I know it was more than a decade ago but like Mike said it managed to look futuristic while maintaining much of the Star Trek style and aesthetic and not looking TOO out of place for the era it was supposed to be in technology wise. I disagree with the idea that modern audiences need to see touch screens and holograms to like Trek or think of it as futuristic. I think that there's sort of a generic future chic that executives THINK everyone thinks the future looks like and if they don't see that they'll hate it, and so those aesthetics are ubiquitous, but executives and decision makers for a lot of this stuff are morons who don't know anything about anything, so I honestly don't trust their instincts or perceptions of what the public will like or tolerate AT ALL.

[@jpetras16]

I loved Star Trek: Enterprise until the final episode completely ruined it for me.

[@lqcrow]

I love Rich's slow, building laughter as he gets where Mike is explaining abbreviations.

[@adrianthomas4163]

'I'm still not convinced that we aren't getting Star Trek on TV' We are. The only difference is that the actual show is called The Orville.

[@peterthx]

Warmed over carbon copy rip-off The Orville. Originality? That's for suckers.

[@Marinealver]

We are getting "WAR, I'M GOING TO STAB YOU IN THE FUCKING FACE!" Seriously I know that Star Wars is more popular than Star Trek, always have and always will. But will Hollywood stop trying to make Star Trek Star Wars. You are not going to get more money from Star Trek, only decrease the value.

[@JCass42]

In all seriousness, this would be great to have semi regularly so I know what my opinion on each episode is.

[@nazlfrag]

Totally disappointed that this wasn't half an hour about the Orville.

[@nazlfrag]

I guess you hated TNG too then?

[@TeamZealand]

Since when is Mike a Star Trek fan?

[@nRommeln]

Star Trek Discovery should be renamed 'Star Trek : WAAAAARRRRRRRRRR'

[@edmundscycles1]

NormandySR5 we need orks, some space marines maybe some imperial guard. Then we can have a waaarhhhhhh

[@xerra3]

But Klingons had the same look for TNG, DS9, Voyager ... thats literally years and years of ST with the same look.

[@-..-_-..-]

and the motion picture and enterprise too, so literally from '79 to '05. the tng klingon design is old enough it's probably married with kids

[@jacoblevenson7934]

@@-..-_-..- and they were always supposed to look like that. TOS just didn't have the budget to make them look like that.

[@trekadam30]

@@jacoblevenson7934 EXACTLY!

[@davebooshty299]

The New Klingons are terrible i think.

[@BeKindToBirds]

Look up some Photoshop of them with hair/facial hair added. It does SOOOOO much

[@trekadam30]

You mean the Klingorcs.

[@1111Tactical]

Boba Fett is my favorite Cylon from Star Trek.

[@crumbb_m]

FrankDaTank1218 *So say we all.*

[@panterasux22]

*and also with you...*

[@eskreskao]

Indeed.

[@psivewri]

nah, Lord Farquaad from Back to the Future was a much better Wookie.

[@lelandgill3631]

mine too man

[@sageparra4956]

The fact that the show runners didn’t think about the acronym is yet another indicator that they don’t get Star Trek, minor as it might be.

[@grantmoore8790]

As a Star Wars fan who has never watched a single piece of Star Trek media, I enjoy watching these reviews because it provides insight into my own increasing insanity under Disney's Star Wars.

[@RudiRaichura]

Amazing being here after finally watching S1 of STD. I know how they hate the show and as such it’s so interesting how Mike likes the pilot and is optimistic for the future...

[@Heliosphan15]

The beginning of the end. Anyone else remember the Return of the Jedi commentary when Rich said “nothing has ever managed to completely FUCK Star Trek”.

[@marianomosquera1995]

I've watched all these reviews starting from the last one and coming all the way up to this one and oh my God how optimistic and beautifully naive you guys were. You were so happy.

[@LolFishFail]

Looking at the Orville reviews, Once again it looks like a blatant disconnect between critics and viewers.

[@charleynewman5057]

Look at Supergirl for the inverse of that. Critics give that shit show a 97% FUCKING NINETY-SEVEN!

[@chaotixtrekker5789]

Gaming with Mikey! Money drives the critics train

[@thefoundationofwhate]

wait so you cant criticize a show if it has a female lead? If a show is bad a show is bad who cares what gender the lead is.

[@wamphyrie7961]

If a critic says a show is good, don't watch it, if they say the show is bad, it will be amazing. With STD, the fans hate it, the critics love it. I ain't gonna watch it.

[@leydensjar]

I laughed when Mike's hand disappeared when he started talking about special effects... 4:33

[@Jouzujoe]

Sean Elliott Good catch! It was like spotting this in a recent AVGN video.

[@captainexcabier]

I honestly think the TOS sets and designs can be updated with more detail while still keeping the same aesthetic.