Mike and Rich sit down to have a long talk about trek. No more interjecting Star Trek references into videos, fuckers. This time it's ALL TREK ALL DAY LONG. Did they like Discovery? FIND OUT!!!
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@nada-sparrowsstones8743 жыл бұрын
It breaks my heart to see these old Re:Views when they're talking about STD. Mike is trying so hard to be optimistic and to like it. It makes me so sad to think how badly they failed long time Star Trek fans like Mike. Meanwhile, Rich knew. Rich knew right from the start. Poor, jaded Rich.
@BigCowProductions2 жыл бұрын
I found RLM from their Picard reviews. I've exhausted all of those and the TNG reviews, and now are watching these. Maaaaaan, poor Mike here. I can tell what you're saying for sure here.
@JustABitJank2 жыл бұрын
@@BigCowProductions Yeah I just came back to this after watching their finale episode and goddamn its really insane how this seemed a bit jaded at the time, but now is such adorable naive optimism.
@SEATACx2 жыл бұрын
As a super new fan of RLM going back and watching the old stuff, I'm feeling that heartbreak in reverse and it's somehow even more sad lol.
@BigCowProductions2 жыл бұрын
@@SEATACx That's what I went through recently too
@hexrisk2 жыл бұрын
Even more so now..
@arthurchen64645 жыл бұрын
"The ratings are nose-diving! Bring out Spock!!!" Mike Stoklasa, 2017
@monsieurcondottiero26854 жыл бұрын
a highly logical prediction 🖖
@drbarx2 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2022 it's clear that KurtzmanTrek has aged Mike at least a decade in the last 5 years.
@mearl3977 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the amount of booze it takes to do best of the worst...
@BritishByakugan6 жыл бұрын
"This isn't Star Trek" - Rich Evans. If there's one thing I've learned. Rich is always fucking right
@Buddy75503 жыл бұрын
Is rich the keeper of the sacred star trek timeliness? Lol
@zagnorch13362 жыл бұрын
@@Buddy7550 He's got my vote.
@iamgubbler952 жыл бұрын
"Interdimensional elves are already living among us." - Rich Evans
@kinagrill2 жыл бұрын
He's right, it's Space Journey: Revelation.
@SuperDerp5 Жыл бұрын
The enlighten one is showing us the way, but we’re stubborn.. we refuse to follow him. 🤨
@landonny6 жыл бұрын
Rich Evans attempts to talk to a Star Trek encyclopedia.
@arlostein10004 жыл бұрын
Maladjusted man speaks to unstable obsessive
@zagnorch13362 жыл бұрын
I've always thought of Mike as the Star Trek encyclopedia's main text, and Rich the index and endnotes section.
@landonny2 жыл бұрын
@@notmewtwo4044 I remember it like it was yesterday.
@Nemcoification2 жыл бұрын
@@zagnorch1336 Does that make Jay the cover?
@Kyle-sr6jm4 жыл бұрын
In the time of STP, I enjoy coming back and watching the boys when they were young and optimistic.
@pingpong58773 жыл бұрын
They were young?
@BoleDaPole3 жыл бұрын
Biden is already a walking corpse, can't wait see him stumble through a second term
@jasonexplosion1543 жыл бұрын
Look how they massacred my boys.
@YouLousyKids2 жыл бұрын
It is *jarring* how hopeful they are that STD will try to be a good show. I just want to hug them and steer them away from the danger.
@aarondavis89432 жыл бұрын
Alex Kurtzman gave me an STD.
@smartalec20014 жыл бұрын
The moment at the beginning, as Rich’s mind catches up with Mike’s abbreviations joke before the punchline, makes me chuckle every time.
@JosefPiano Жыл бұрын
He forgot ENT though
@PaleBrownDot Жыл бұрын
@@JosefPiano Everyone forgets ENT
@amiciprocul85014 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: when you're commanding officer dies, the best thing to do to avenge them is to disobey their direct orders.
@dodojesus45294 жыл бұрын
@@westerling8436 but why though?
@dodojesus45294 жыл бұрын
@@westerling8436 why should i?
@dodojesus45294 жыл бұрын
@@westerling8436 you start screaming shut up the you say shut up because i said so, nah fam. And why did youbwant hjm to shut up in the first place?
@dodojesus45294 жыл бұрын
@@westerling8436 hehe you tell people to shut up...because, i don't think ive seen someone quite so precious before
@dodojesus45294 жыл бұрын
@@westerling8436 you come here telling people to shut up and don't even try to support that, i want a reason
@PlagueOfGripes6 жыл бұрын
I watched Orville for the first time right after Discovery. It's amazing how clear it is how one group of creators loves Star Trek, and the other wants to ride its corpse downhill.
@R0B1NG56 жыл бұрын
Which one is which?
@Combiner816 жыл бұрын
How bad is the Seth MacFarlanesness, though? Is he reeling it in?
@OneColdMonkey6 жыл бұрын
I really hope they give Orville a chance to find itself. It seems like its got potential. Maybe regret over what Fox did to Firefly will help it get that chance.
@AlvarazCMSB6 жыл бұрын
Hey I just got here from watching your new video, love your work!
@brawlmaster896 жыл бұрын
PlagueOfGripes plague did you finish that fence
@keeleon6 жыл бұрын
I feel like if the new Star Trek is mostly about War, they should give it a different name. But for the life of me I can't think of one.
@DarthEvilicus6 жыл бұрын
Like a war in the stars?
@FrancoisDressler6 жыл бұрын
Battle of the Stars?
@chewbokkiee95076 жыл бұрын
STAR WARS you fucking idiots, but that's already taken obviously.
@Michael_ORourke6 жыл бұрын
Star Trek: WAR
@User-gs1dk6 жыл бұрын
Celestial Body of Hot Gas Military Conflict
@soulhound87392 жыл бұрын
After the latest Picard review I came here to see the beginning of Mike’s decent into madness.
@edmaldonado8207 Жыл бұрын
Me too.
@Bozogumps Жыл бұрын
Me too. They have hope again in season 3
@imperialspy805 Жыл бұрын
Descent*
@Edzhik3 жыл бұрын
Upon rewatching this one it kinda seems like Mike is in bargaining stage of grief and Rich has straight-up accepted that this show is bad and never will be anything else.
@aaronwebb15482 жыл бұрын
@@zeppelinboys Is that last one real?
@Fusspilzsammler16 жыл бұрын
Why does this Evans always have to mention that he's rich? That's so annoying. Hackfraud.
@turtleanton65394 жыл бұрын
Boastet
@jacobberry51384 жыл бұрын
He is throwin bait to get laid.
@dontsubscribe82924 жыл бұрын
@@jameslwjtoler what lawsuit?
@TheGoonhole3 жыл бұрын
He made his millions doing the laugh for the rat creature in Jabba’s palace.
@Robosobojobo1464713 жыл бұрын
He can be a real dick. Especially on his birthday
@pickeljarsforhillary1026 жыл бұрын
Remember when we used to be explorers? ~ Jean-Luc Picard, Nemesis.
@dtm_6666 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's Insurrection, but whatever.
@pickeljarsforhillary1026 жыл бұрын
We all try to forget Insurrection.
@alcosmic4 жыл бұрын
pewpewpewpewpewpew pewpewpewpewpewpew
@GeorgeMonet4 жыл бұрын
@@pickeljarsforhillary102 Star Trek, His Erection.
@JoelRiter3 жыл бұрын
@scorenut hey there buddy boy. You do realize that's always been Picard, but more notably, Star Trek, right? Like, Gene Roddenberry almost couldn't get Star Trek made because all the TV execs felt that way about Roddenberry. The new Star Treks are performative wokeness. You see, the older Star Trek was about exploration and trying to create, not a galactic empire but community. Almost like having different communities with different voices having a say and basic rights. Almost like an ideology based around communities and the rights of the individuals within those communities. With the societies deciding as a whole were resources go. Almost like a community ism or a social type of ism. Almost like media and culture in the US especially has always been conservative and quick to reject leftist ideas only allowing some ideas in as a way to be performatively woke to trick liberals into watching to make them feel ok about their meager lives and to give conservatives a reason to be angry to draw attention to the shit product for free advertising.
@SilverCyan3 жыл бұрын
"Let's go 15-20 years, where's the Federation at. Because then you can have cameos from Patrick Stewart..." Mike needs to stop giving people ideas
@alesin19923 жыл бұрын
Picard is Mike's fault. Spock in season 2 is Mike's fault. JJ Abrams directing episodes 7 and 9 is Mike's fault. Shut the fuck up Mike, you elderly grandmaster of tactical hackfraudery.
@veespa_3 жыл бұрын
@@alesin1992 it’s like they watch these, take the worst ideas, & there’s one guy in the room that says, “uh… guys? They’re saying they want us to slow things down, focus on character dynamics, stick to the themes & formula of what made old Trek great. Shouldn’t we be seeing what we can do to get on that path?” Then, one of two things happens: 1) the guy says, “hahahaha I’m just kidding, why would we ever do some dumb bullshit like that?!” _OR_ 2) another writer in the room pulls out a gun, kills the first guy, & then they get an intern to bury the corpse.
@alesin19923 жыл бұрын
@@veespa_ They get the intern to write the script while they consume the corpse.
@Wilburgur5 жыл бұрын
38:20 Oh. They predicted S2.
@TykeMison_4 жыл бұрын
I'm not just going to let this Wilburgur comment go unnoticed.
@ibenholston4 жыл бұрын
WOWEEEE
@redneckgopnik81644 жыл бұрын
You old skooma Junkie ;D
@noneed4me2n73 жыл бұрын
Buckle Your Fuckle yeah but trying to sell it to normies is near impossible. It's nice to see that them getting a bigger fan base they still the same ole' a$$holes. Gotta luv em. I hope they keep doing this for years.
@MovieMagic5153 жыл бұрын
@@noneed4me2n7 How? Just what
@element65376 жыл бұрын
Wow, Jay really let himself go. He also got an amazingly shrill laugh. I guess that's what hanging out with Mike does to you.
@herpittyderpitty53096 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about his crippling diabetus.
@JeffToner6 жыл бұрын
Whos Jay? Do you mean Susan?
@mikekz44896 жыл бұрын
The Orville also has an audience because they can watch it on platforms they already have.
@Sines3146 жыл бұрын
Yah, that's a big seller. There are a lot of reasons I'm not interested in getting me some STD, but having to pay for it is the biggest practical reason. Although, they're also putting that young Sheldon Cooper on that streaming service too, and my girlfriend is a big Big Bang Theory fan, so maybe I'll end up getting access to it anyway.
@czdaniel16 жыл бұрын
Man, if you pay a girl for All-Access, she will give you STD
@ScruffyLookin11386 жыл бұрын
Right? The fact that someone would have to pay for a whole streaming service for a show that is called Star Trek but isn't really is asinine
@bryanmcfadden4071 Жыл бұрын
@@Sines314 big bang theory is absolute gobshite
@SebastianMikulec3 жыл бұрын
Going back and watching this it's heartbreaking hearing the optimism in Mike's voice. Oh Mike, foolish foolish Mike, let me tell you about a man named Alex Kurtzman...
@CarlEmmoth5 жыл бұрын
Mike foresees Spock by only see the pilots. Impressive
@urekmazino65196 жыл бұрын
I'm sad about my experience with STD
@kevarosenberg6 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed my STD experience lol
@doggomcpuppers47844 жыл бұрын
Urek Mazino mine left me with a strange burning sensation
@themilanguy13 жыл бұрын
@@doggomcpuppers4784 slide whistle
@allencampbell33506 жыл бұрын
Rich nailed it with the Orville audience. That's why I watch it. It harkens back to when Trek had heart and charm.
@whodatninja4396 жыл бұрын
Allen Campbell I mean it's basically a rip off of TNG with unfunny jokes, so if you just want that then sure
@cezar2110916 жыл бұрын
+Patriot Cat How about..Star..Wars?
@justsomeguywithsunglasses84186 жыл бұрын
Because pandering and stupid jokes=charm
@ScruffyLookin11386 жыл бұрын
Allen Campbell the Orville isn't my cup of tea, especially because i don't find Seth Macfarlane funny. But based on the Pilot, it captures the feeling look of Star Trek more than STD. The music alone in the Pilot episode i think could fit into a Trek show.
@ScruffyLookin11386 жыл бұрын
Allen Campbell Allen Campbell the Orville isn't my cup of tea, especially because i don't find Seth Macfarlane funny. But based on the Pilot, it captures the feeling look of Star Trek more than STD. The music alone in the Pilot episode i think could fit into a Trek show.
@TheSelloutCrowd4 жыл бұрын
Mike still had light in his eyes back then.
@wraith19774 жыл бұрын
Came back to rewatch these re:views. Mike was so hopeful, god bless him. 😂
@TheLoremasterNojah6 жыл бұрын
"I didn't mean to say that the Discovery should be hauling garbage - I meant to say that it should be hauled away AS garbage."
@Madman-ym8dh6 жыл бұрын
TheLoremasterNojah Don't you think you might want to rephrase that?
@macgeek20046 жыл бұрын
I love you both. XD
@allenharper29286 жыл бұрын
Madman Nope, original assesment was accurate. 😂😂😂
@joshuatanner64096 жыл бұрын
Ha that's a good one
@WilAdams6 жыл бұрын
Great call back to the Tribbles episode of TOS
@stranger596 жыл бұрын
Who cares about Discovery? Just come back and talk about random Star Trek stuff every few weeks. Just ramble on for hours about Star Trek. I'd watch that. Talk about all the times Worf got beat up just to show how much stronger someone else was.
@CJtheRad6 жыл бұрын
I'm good with that.
@stevethegeck02 жыл бұрын
Good to know you got your wish lol
@scottfitzpatrick19392 жыл бұрын
man its heart breaking how much Mike wanted to like STD. RIP star trek
@clearmountain284 жыл бұрын
Its heartbreaking to rewatch this after their Picard reviews. Mike, and even Rich, had hope..........then new Trek killed it......
@Vindsvelle6 жыл бұрын
4:30 "But, Star Trek isn't effects alone!" - *hand disappears behind superimposed screen*. Please tell me that was deliberate.
@DisentDesign6 жыл бұрын
A new Star Trek series should be set about 50 or so years after voyager when the federation has just discovered an efficient means of intergalactic travel to Andromeda or some other close by galaxy. The possibilities for new story lines with the federation entering another galaxy basically write themselves
@MN-yb8un3 жыл бұрын
Like a gate to travel between stars
@PyrokineticFire12 жыл бұрын
STP steals plot elements from Mass Effect.. why not rip-off ME:Andromeda too? just copy that game, but use star trek references: nacelles, klingons, warp speed, phasers, vulcans, deflectors, photon torpedoes, etc.
@highhorseo78752 жыл бұрын
@@PyrokineticFire1 lol it writes itself because someone wrote it already
@BoleDaPole2 жыл бұрын
Let's be real, star trek has never been original, it's always told traditional stories but in space.
@homelessend8557 Жыл бұрын
@@BoleDaPole um, TOS?
@DeadHorse843 жыл бұрын
Watching the review for 6,7,8 of Picard first and then going back to this really let's you see how much light has faded from Rich and Mike's eyes.
@tonypine3434 Жыл бұрын
as steven segal once said 'without darkness, light can't exist.'
@Hdarg2 жыл бұрын
Just watched this video 3 years after release. Oh Mike... you were filled with hope and trying to be positive with the future. He just didn't know what Alex Kurtzman was capable of doing. Just broke my heart seeing so much hope...
@requiem4ameme26 жыл бұрын
You know, Mike's reference to STDs really reminded me of that one episode of Star Trek where Wesley contracts Alien Super AIDS and Janeway ejects him into space.
@nox55556 жыл бұрын
I would like a spin off series based on the dieing wesley slowly floating in space.
@gabrielsilverio11926 жыл бұрын
This is the best sentence in the history of everything.
@naapalm826 жыл бұрын
The Klingon empire sang ballads of the event! The ferangi stock market soared! And all the Vulcans noted that a great source of illogic was eliminated from the galaxy! Even harry kim grew a pair!
@heirofaniu6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't he infect her later and then they both mutate and get it on as gross lizard aliens in that episode? Or was this a different one?
@Razermund6 жыл бұрын
Shut up Wesley
@kanothe1876 жыл бұрын
The Klingons look like the bastard offspring of TNG Klingons and Prometheus Engineers cosplaying with Man of Steel Kryptonian costumes.
@floppywalrus4096 жыл бұрын
No No you say that like it's a bad thing 😏
@Sines3146 жыл бұрын
I hate the design. They look so fundamentally different. They look more like Cardassians than any Klingons we've seen so far. I don't mind updating the look a little bit, but if you didn't tell me they were klingons, I would never have guessed. Sure, there was a huge change going from TOS to the films and TNG, but that was because they went from having no budget, to having a budget. There was no reason to change them like this. I'll take the criticism back if there is a reason for this new look though. Maybe it's tied into the augment virus. As silly of an excuse for smooth foreheaded TNG Klingons as it was, there is actually good story-telling potential in seeing how the Klingons deal with that virus.
@jonathanhernandez32926 жыл бұрын
No No they look like giant dried prunes
@thetramp1236 жыл бұрын
At least they don't fly around in those small Kryptonian penis ships from Man of Steel
@joshuacalkins4 жыл бұрын
Rewatching this I am thinking “you poor bastards have no idea what’s coming.” And that idea about jumping forward 20 years to take advantage of 3 casts worth of appropriately aged actors...you poor, poor bastards. Edit: “ratings are down..bring out Spock!” You think they’d do that? Hahahaha
@Spessforce2 жыл бұрын
Rereading this I am thinking “oh you had no idea just how bad it could get”.
@RaymLovesEggs6 жыл бұрын
I miss TNG.
@jinvid4 жыл бұрын
Raym Loves Eggs yep! TNG had Q!
@JoshuaBeaverhousen4 жыл бұрын
Yaassss
@doggomcpuppers47844 жыл бұрын
Jin Luncheonmeats also the passion and effort that went into the story telling.
@adamfrazer51504 жыл бұрын
@@HC-qc5rp totally with you, I think the feeling will only grow. You've probably been force fed this suggestion already, but if you've not given Orville a shot, please do - after a handful of episodes it was clear (and I'm not a huge fan of McFarlane)how much care and genuine passion has gone into making the very closest to the spirit and atmosphere of TNG. I hope you enjoy it 🍻
@oliviergagnon87194 жыл бұрын
I miss cocaine
@silver6kraid6 жыл бұрын
Okay, seriously, Jay and Josh have to do a re:View of Twin Peaks the Return now that Mike and Rich did this, right?
@daiselol6 жыл бұрын
please god, yes. so much for them to talk about
@NEETfreak16 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I watched that Re:View before I saw the Return. It made me appreciate Laura's scream so much.
@lolocaustsupplier10656 жыл бұрын
I would only watch it if it took the form of a reenactment. Starring Rich Evans as no less than 5 characters, in the style of Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor remakes.
@ChuckPalomo6 жыл бұрын
Ah Twin Peaks. I though there were still 10 episodes left when it ended suddenly and without warning. I still have blue balls from it.
@CarlSlime6 жыл бұрын
The most appropriately RLM way to start an episode.
@vaporizejello6 жыл бұрын
Starship Shen Zhou. In Chinese Shen Zhou (神舟) actually means 'starship'. So... you're telling me you called it 'Starship Starship'? Smart.
@silverschannel85784 жыл бұрын
Well, literally it means "divine ship," not exactly the word for spaceship, and contemporary Chinese ships are actually called Shenzhou 1, or 2, or 3, or whatever. Spaceship in Mandarin would be 宇宙飞船 (space flying ship) or 飞船 (flying ship) for short
@vectoor914 жыл бұрын
Hey I'm from the future. SpaceX's upcoming spacecraft is literally just called starship.
@donwald34364 жыл бұрын
Sounds pretty woke.
@MelindaColden4 жыл бұрын
godammit moon moon
@arlostein10004 жыл бұрын
The ship so nice they stuttered
@NarcissistAU Жыл бұрын
Yeah watching this now, wow, the fairness and gentle optimism they had. That we all had. Were we really so innocent/naïve? It feels like a Spielberg film from the 80's, not something we lived.
@TreyWait6 жыл бұрын
Speaking of geeky Star Trek things, and needing a new conflict that *isn't* war. Does any remember the episode of TNG where a scientist killed himself proving that warp drives were actually destroying the fabric of space, and they wondered what the hell they were going to do because they realized they wouldn't be able to use warp drives to speed across the galaxy anymore? And then... it's never mentions again.
@TreyWait6 жыл бұрын
The problem was that the wrote themselves into a corner they couldn't get out of. The whole TNG universe would have been impossible without warp engines, but that's what makes it such an interesting dilemma. Imagine the TNG universe where it suddenly takes years to reach the next system again and warp drives are 'against the law', and everyone is searching for a new solution to faster than light flight. Opportunity lost.
@garblechunk6 жыл бұрын
True, you can hand-waive it away, but the point is it's a very interesting conflict that can create new stories that aren't just STAB THE SPACE ORCS IN THE FACE BOOOOM LASER BEAM!!!!
@mattlandrie60786 жыл бұрын
Tech is usually the answer in Star Trek. The Federation starts using new Space-Time Friction Reducing Warp Drives in all their new ships and they figure out some way to repair and essentially repave quadrants of space showing stress and weakness.
@xtieburn6 жыл бұрын
Its actually mentioned repeatedly. In the episode they decide that they should route round damaged areas and the ships are limited to about Warp 5, and thats exactly what they do pretty much as far as Star Trek has ever gone. In multiple episodes they have to confirm reasons for breaking those rules and otherwise stay at around Warp 5. (Even by the time of the E.) It also wouldnt fit in the framework of TNG that was a one story to a maximum of two episodes, it was always going to be consigned to the background. I see where you are going with it being a good idea for a non-war reason for a lot of issues, even the episode mentions that a bunch of races probably wouldnt comply with the rules, and for a long form story series perhaps they could come up with a deeper issue in the same vein to do it*, but as far as TNG goes it was actually one of the few times a story element did actually have far reaching consequences. Edit: To just go full geek on this. Voyagers waggly pylons were actually meant to mitigate the damage done, but there are hints that the technology isnt perfect, or at least fully tested. *Alternatively you could have some weapon or something bust up space for warp travel, then start a series when that issue is fixed. Similar to what has happened in a few games and bits of sci-fi, leading to rediscovering the state of chunks of those universes that ended up isolated for a long time.
@macgeek20046 жыл бұрын
+Trey Wait Actually, I think they *DID* bring that concept back up in Voyager, but when they did it, it was more of an allegory against nuclear weapons than against pollution or global warming. For more information, search Memory Alpha for "The Omega Particle" or watch the Voyager episode "The Omega Directive."
@jemmrich6 жыл бұрын
The Klingons look like all their faces swelled up from being stung by a hoard of space bees.
@tyrgoossens6 жыл бұрын
Someone smuggled a tribble onboard and they're having a really bad allergic reaction. I don't know why so many people seem to like the new klingons, I can't tell any of them apart.
@craigs716 жыл бұрын
It's pretty hard to see emotions with the new klingons due to the overdone makeup, I do like the 'we come in peace' blurb followed later by a battle?!
@beelzibubbles6 жыл бұрын
They look like they for some reason interbred with the Cardassians.
@Nieghorn6 жыл бұрын
I thought they were Uruk Hai, but clean shaven and with their best clothes on. :D
@Heliosphan152 жыл бұрын
The beginning of the end. Anyone else remember the Return of the Jedi commentary when Rich said “nothing has ever managed to completely FUCK Star Trek”.
@kalishinko6 жыл бұрын
"This is 2017. You can't make Star Trek: Voyager anymore." Tell that to Seth MacFarlane.
@jackboothe92166 жыл бұрын
tbf there's no time for voyager
@arlostein10004 жыл бұрын
You forgot his title Seth (plagiarist) McFarlane
@thenotmangaman88853 жыл бұрын
arlo stein Jimmy Corrigan
@nRommeln6 жыл бұрын
Star Trek Discovery should be renamed 'Star Trek : WAAAAARRRRRRRRRR'
@edmundscycles16 жыл бұрын
NormandySR5 we need orks, some space marines maybe some imperial guard. Then we can have a waaarhhhhhh
@cristianmassad89996 жыл бұрын
Now, the door is opened to a Twin Peaks The return review, please Jay, go ahead and do it!
@cristianmassad89996 жыл бұрын
The same here, it was wonderful, scary, trascendental, the best thing i ever seen.
@kenchun246 жыл бұрын
Yes! Jay and Neckbeard TP:The Return RE:view
@asfdasdful Жыл бұрын
Working my way backwards through this anthology has been amazing. The best part is ill never watch a second of these shows.
@gloryon56094 жыл бұрын
i never saw a single episode of STD and i watching all of this videos like 10th time
@fakemail4suckers6 жыл бұрын
The Next Generation was the shit!!! I seriously miss good Star Trek.
@bmcelvan6 жыл бұрын
How many episodes of TNG were there that did not include ANY ship firing? Now you can't have a show or movie like that ("Sooooo many lightsabers on the screen at one time"). To me, that's sad...it's like we're not allowed to use our brains anymore to feel...we have to be shown how to feel...which is stupid!
@aBoogivogi6 жыл бұрын
Also I strongly dislike that ship phasers have gone from slightly more realistic solid beams of which they typically have only one or two to a shit ton of small laser cannons scattered about the ship. It just makes the whole scene look like a massive clusterfuck making it impossible to see what is actually happening and judge the consequences. It's like when the shenshu lost 3 decks. That sort of thing would mean the enterprise would be more or less out of commission or hightailing it out of there. Instead they just zip around shooting as though nothing had happened. The stakes have no time to sink in and the show pays them no concern so why should we as an audience care?
@Blade_Runner_796 жыл бұрын
They misspelled the word *PROPHECY* in the Klingon speech. And that prophecy is one of the main plot points driving the whole series. How do you botch that?! They went through all the effort of clearly enunciating the Klingon language and having the fancy font but they missed the simple thing of spelling the word correctly (even after being reviewed by innumerable editors and spell checking). I think that is indicative of this whole series; they miss essential details but lavish attention on a lot of window dressing.
@elduderino16354 жыл бұрын
Welcome to modern Hollyschmock!
@musicamaxima2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen this ep in for ever but was it prophecy or prophesy? Both are words they just mean different things.
@DDX19442 жыл бұрын
Is absolutely heartbreaking coming back to see these reviews...Insane how hopeful and lenient Mike was, while it was actually Rich that was kinda smelling the shit from 2 miles away. Although Mike at the end did recover by predicting spock lmao
@Trillykins6 жыл бұрын
I saw the trailer for The Orville and thought it looked like absolute shit. Saw the series (after word-of-mouth informed me that the trailer completely misrepresents the series as a Star Trek parody) and ended up enjoyed it quite a bit. Considering the RT disparity between critics and audience, I'm not the only one. Feels like Star Trek TNG, but with a crew that isn't the paragon of humanity. Yeah, the budget clearly isn't super large and it has flaws, but the time flew by while watching the show and has generally done a good job of subverting my expectations. Saw Star Trek Discovery, a show critics have praised, which has amazing visuals and a seemingly unlimited budget, and thought it was garbage. I could barely make it through the pilot episodes. The writing in this was fucking awful. I'm not a Star Trek fan, so it has nothing to do with it not being Star Trek enough or whatever. It's entirely due to how shit the writing is. The Klingons just made me laugh. Yeah, I appreciate the attempt making everyone speak Klingon, but it sounds stupid and it impedes the actors ability to, you know, act, and everyone else is speaking English anyway, so there's literally no reason for it and you're making the scenes worse by doing it. Also, the mouth prosthetic was a mistake. You can clearly hear the actors struggle to talk with it, which further ruins their performances. When I saw the show was created by Alex Kurtzman, the writer of such amazing shit as Transformers II, Star Trek: Into Darkness, and The Mummy 2017, it finally made sense why it was such a mess.
@1111Tactical6 жыл бұрын
Boba Fett is my favorite Cylon from Star Trek.
@crumbb_m6 жыл бұрын
FrankDaTank1218 *So say we all.*
@panterasux226 жыл бұрын
*and also with you...*
@eskreskao6 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@blueshit1996 жыл бұрын
He's my favourite Spartan from Mass Effect.
@psivewri6 жыл бұрын
nah, Lord Farquaad from Back to the Future was a much better Wookie.
@MichaelMacGyver3 жыл бұрын
I'm interacting to support the channel. This was better than PewDiePie playing Minecraft, or Markiplier and JackSepticEye playing Fortnite, or MrBeast watching ASMR videos.
@XtoriezNovel5 жыл бұрын
Star Trek was supposed to be clean, bright and friendly. Star Wars was supposed to be the anti-trek, dirty, dark and filthy. Somewhere along the line they merged and met in the middle.
@ladyhm.67483 жыл бұрын
Where do you get that impression of Star Wars?
@stevenwright70703 жыл бұрын
@@ladyhm.6748 star trek feels more clean and star war have a more gritty
@Canadish3 жыл бұрын
@@ladyhm.6748 The old Star Wars always had an oily, greasy look to its ships. They were dirty and rough, because they draw on the feeling of Western movies, and gave our heros a working class feel to them. The Empire was always clean, cold and sterile by contrast. Star Wars is a dystopia that is fixed via the movies events. Star Trek was always utopian, so the ships were bright, warm and appealing looking.
@nicolasmontes72076 жыл бұрын
The Klingons are going to be like the White Walkers. Every episode its gonna be "They´re coming!"
@DreadPathZone6 жыл бұрын
I would really love to see one of these with Mike and rich discussing the first few episodes of The Orville. That's far more star-trek-y than discovery
@kevarosenberg6 жыл бұрын
Discovery has yet to really begin tho, so how could you know?
@chance2smoke3 жыл бұрын
I just have to point out Nemoy's subtle yet convincing job of personal doubt and shame in the scene at 34:26. The power of mom.
@insanelyheinousbeefer2 жыл бұрын
thing that strikes me most of all is how mike still had some glimmer of optimism and hope. incredible. he has become wilted like a rose in winter. will he ever bloom again?
@rahn456 жыл бұрын
The Orville: You'll probably feel happier after watching it. STD: You'll probably feel sad after watching it.
@gtc99666 жыл бұрын
I'm watching both to level me out..
@ZiPolishHammer6 жыл бұрын
Heroin: You'll probably feel happier after doing it.
@SquierStrat726 жыл бұрын
The Orville: I DO feel happier after watching it. STD: I feel like I almost caught an std from watching it.
@Marssnowable6 жыл бұрын
I wanted to like the orville.. but theres no subtlety to the jokes, theyre like someone threw family guy jokes into a star trek show.
@sweptay6 жыл бұрын
I liked the Orville, it's better when they're not going out of their way just for the sake of a joke, but it didn't kill it for me.
@Faenwolf6 жыл бұрын
I am 100 percent with you. Especially Rich. TNG showed a world where I wanted to live in. The new show is just action pew pew in space. I miss having a crew I can relate to. TNG, DS9, VOY were like families. I don't like having this single main character structure so far... Should not have been a prequel, too. One good thing about Discovery though: Sound design was great. So many familiar Star Trek noises. That was nice... but look and sound don't make up for plot and character design.
@Faenwolf6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately here in germany there is no legal way to watch Orville yet - But I hope some streaming service or network will pick that one up.
@christiegreenwood26426 жыл бұрын
Good Lord, it's been two episodes. AS IF the crew of DS9 had felt like family after the frigging pilot. You know, when that show aired, there was a lot of bitching about how different it is, too. What the hell happened to IDIC? This fandom is truly the epitome of angry, entitled geekiness. Crikey.
@Faenwolf6 жыл бұрын
Angry and entitled... Sure. Whatever you say.
@doncoyote686 жыл бұрын
@Christie Greenwood For me I'm giving the show a season or so to grow into itself. But I completely understand why people might want any Star Trek show to be the best kind of show. I think with Star Trek people should be allowed to hold it to very high standards. It's a franchise with a huge legacy behind it. Also I don't see most people being particular angry.
@davidhenriksson2856 жыл бұрын
Faenwolf Just like the new star wars. Bombarding us with shit so we are to tired to see the flaws
@schmidtfam04 Жыл бұрын
When “they” tried to get us to call it “Disco” and buy the shirts etc it lost me! A disco is a fun and enjoyable place we used to go in our youth. STD is certainly not fun.
@xX_dash_Xx Жыл бұрын
I hate STDs
@doctorjoyboylove6 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Geordie LaForge having no character. In fact, when I was young, he was the one human character I could relate the most to, because he was very talented (I wanted to be), kind (I considered myself to be), but was also very unsure especially with women (I definitely was). His problems were a main issue in "Booby Trap", which was always one of my favourite episodes. I think Harry Kim was ment in the same direction but was not developed as much as a character.
@kushan1015 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, as always, but i agree. I liked Kim for all the same reasons you listed liking Geordie for.
@Hunpecked4 жыл бұрын
I remember "Booby Trap". I was yelling at the TV, "Don't take the ship in there! Send a shuttle! Send a shuttle, you morons!" I hate it when the heroes have to be retarded in order to advance the plot. 😀
@axenledgie14234 жыл бұрын
Kim and Geordi were the modest characters in their respective series, which I like.
@nazlfrag6 жыл бұрын
Totally disappointed that this wasn't half an hour about the Orville.
@nazlfrag6 жыл бұрын
I guess you hated TNG too then?
@gryphon95076 жыл бұрын
Orville kicks this things ass as a place I would want to live in. This was pretty JJ verse effects, but I can't stand this universe CBS has written.
@TheQuietWelshman6 жыл бұрын
The first two episodes of Star Trek Discovery felt like a season finale of show we didn't see
@bertimusprime79005 жыл бұрын
The biggest difference between the changes to Klingons between TOS and TNG, and between DS9 and STD is that TOS had barely a year of development, but there was over a decade of development of them as a race and culture across multiple series.
@leydensjar6 жыл бұрын
I laughed when Mike's hand disappeared when he started talking about special effects... 4:33
@MidnightGrind6 жыл бұрын
Sean Elliott Good catch! It was like spotting this in a recent AVGN video.
@Qaosbringer6 жыл бұрын
Orville: critics hated it fans loved it. Discovery: critics loved it fans hated it.
@AlexRMcColl6 жыл бұрын
As a fan, I think I hated Discovery because it's a bad JJ-Abrams version of "Prelude to Axanar." I would have much rather seen a Roddenberry style Axanar TV show about a gritty war with the Klingons.
@basilscruby10826 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but when it comes to anything involving Seth Macfarlane, you can replace "fans" with "fucking idiots" so
@JulioLeonFandinho6 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan and i loved it. I don't think it's nothing to do with J.J. Abrams
@Knowbody426 жыл бұрын
Lots of people don't like Seth but did like the Orville.
@spartakalania77166 жыл бұрын
QAOSbringer I like both.
@freedone.6 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of Star Trek apologists who are trying to explain why they think STD is good. It reminds me a lot of the Seinfeld episode when George was trying to break up with a woman and kept telling her all of his faults. Even when George told her he was gay she STILL was okay with it - in complete denial - which also made it funny and absurd. This new Star Trek show is absurd and unlikable despite a lot of money and talent. The Orville is a solid show. I've also been watching Dark Matter which is excellent. The new Star Trek is just a shadow of what makes Trek great.
@GeorgeMonet4 жыл бұрын
She wasn't ok with George being gay. Rather she didn't believe that George was gay.
@mouser98k4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up on The Orville. I'm a trekkie but I never heard of it. Watching Ep 1 now, it's hilarious
@Odysseun3 жыл бұрын
I'm still hoping amazon or netflix picks up dark matter 😔
@krumplethemal88316 жыл бұрын
STD is a perfect acronym for the show, it's something you don't want when you want something cool.
@ficha136 жыл бұрын
So if you're doing this, where the hell is the re:View for Twin Peaks? :D
@impuri7y6 жыл бұрын
lol that would be a jay only re:View
@ficha136 жыл бұрын
you mean Jay and Josh, they did do a Fire walk with me re:view, they're both fans :)
@bobsaggat6 жыл бұрын
How many years before they do a remake of quantum leap? Only DARKER!?!?
@Plaguewielder886 жыл бұрын
Jon Deal and AIRWOLF
@kevarosenberg6 жыл бұрын
Quantum Leap did get dark tho, and the last episode was very unusual and sad. I cried
@timjones93052 жыл бұрын
Rich looks so young in this one.
@williamarthurfenton14966 жыл бұрын
Klingons now look more like they belong to the Xindi.
@emperormarcusaureliusanton59956 жыл бұрын
William Fenton and I was just about to entirely forget the Xindi
@shakezoola11145 жыл бұрын
I thought the Kzindi were more interesting than the Xindi.
@tygrahof92686 жыл бұрын
Pointing out the coffee stain made me lose it. Classic Star Trek set!
@TheColonelKlink6 жыл бұрын
I gotta say. The closer I get to the future the more disappointing it appears.
@czdaniel16 жыл бұрын
+Klink -- "They promised us flying cars & hoverboards...what we got was 140-charachters"
@TheColonelKlink6 жыл бұрын
czdaniel1 You said it. Big lol. :)
@marcrollins6 жыл бұрын
Howd o you get closer to the future?
@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control6 жыл бұрын
Pepsi didn't even make commemorative bottles back in 2015 that had that upside-down look. That was entirely disappointing because it was 100% doable.
@AxelBrass6 жыл бұрын
Ready Player One seems like a more likely future the older I get. Who needs reality when you can just keep escaping from it? :(
@TheAtlasReview2 жыл бұрын
Rich is right about everything ever, except his insistence against retro aesthetics in these things. A consistent style and continuity is more important than looking futuristic, like how Alien should look like bulky CRTs and pipes. That's what people want to see, not holograms. You can easily have a hybrid that looks retro and sleek, Doctor Who pulls it off.
@GOLDFISH8172 жыл бұрын
It would still need an upgrade
@BoleDaPole2 жыл бұрын
He's just mad bc the show doesn't cater to nerdy white guys anymore.
@SaulGoodman3D20492 жыл бұрын
@@BoleDaPole Star Trek has not been exclusively catering to nerdy white guys as far back as DS9.
@thecpmr62762 жыл бұрын
Actually, the doctor who thing is a good point. There's something to be said about a long series with consistent continuity. That IS coming from someone who hasn't seen much of TOS, mind you.
@youtubeaccount6972 жыл бұрын
@@BoleDaPole ?
@conrad1on6 жыл бұрын
I was surprised how much the guys here seemed to like the show. Certainly more than I did.
@jackboothe92166 жыл бұрын
i notice they haven't come back to talk about subsequent episodes yet...time will tell i guess. i found myself saying out loud during the third or fourth episode "oh, fuck you" over and over again...so, michael burnham hasn't grown on me yet, but, maybe that's just me.
@conrad1on6 жыл бұрын
+Lee Yates I'm not familiar enough with how they do things to know if it's unusual or not that they haven't returned to it. It's not just you either; I'm not sure I've seen anyone claim they like her. They should kill her off and make the captain the main character, like he should have been in the first place
@ToumalRakesh4 жыл бұрын
They caught on to the fact that STD is a Kurtzmanian dumpster fire by now. They gave it more leeway than it deserved back then.
@connordavisj6 жыл бұрын
But you can have knobs and switches as a vision of the future. Alien: Isolation took the approach of retrofuturism in its design and this granted it a unique, gorgeous, and immediately identifiable look. You can't tell if you're looking at a new Star Wars or Alien or Star Trek movie anymore. It's boring. It takes away the visual identity of the series.
@connordavisj6 жыл бұрын
ArcanePath360 Mate, Isolation is full of CRT's, computers running on physical reading, switches and knobs galore, beige plastics, and simple beeps and whirs. And it goes further. Everything from chairs and tables to toys and advertisements are designed from an 80's perspective that abandons modern visual forms and colors.
@connordavisj6 жыл бұрын
Cristian Dumitrascu Of course I remember Muther, and to this day it remains a ridiculously unique looking room.
@KodiakCaptures6 жыл бұрын
Star Trek Discovery was the most disappointing thing since my son.
@mollywatch6 жыл бұрын
That is fucking hilarious and good on you...but really it wasn't that bad. My son? Well that's a suicide in a 7-11 bathroom in the making.
@KodiakCaptures6 жыл бұрын
I have yet to watch it. Hopefully the final product is better than the trailer, like Star Trek Beyond.
@beanacomputer6 жыл бұрын
Are you Thel 'Vadam's dad? I would be super disappointed if my son lost a Halo then allied with the humans.
@MichaelLeroi2 жыл бұрын
Poor Mike, he was so optimistic and forgiving...
@richardmcgowan16512 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2022 and we haven't even reached rock bottom with Star Trek and that is scary enough to think about......
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Жыл бұрын
There is hope with Lower Decks and Prodigy or Orville
@robtaylor60986 жыл бұрын
Michael isn't dislikable just because of her actions, but because the actress that plays her has no damn charisma. She was the exact same wet blanket in Walking Dead as she is here.
@TheMTSilver6 жыл бұрын
I dislike her because of her actions. Nervepinching your captain when she won't agree to your homicidal plan? She went full villain at that point for me.
@cloudedjourney6 жыл бұрын
Mope mope mope. visit a grave, mope mope mope.
@airavm32076 жыл бұрын
she is arrogant and annoying as fuck. it's understandable why people were put off. fuck this show, the orville is far better.
@LordElfa6 жыл бұрын
Let her grow a beard.
@Guardian5826 жыл бұрын
not only that, she went to the VULCAN academy and is still this emotional, sure shes had a bad past, most of us have at some point...but shes was also at taht academy for what looks like 20-ish years and STILL lets little things make her a homicidal maniac?
@tr112516 жыл бұрын
Not even a trekkie but Picard saying 'let's see what's out there' gives me a little tingle up my spine also this channel needs just more guys sitting around talking about their favourite tng episodes involving data
@derpotheday38976 жыл бұрын
Why TNG Was Perfect: 178 Episodes.
@sageparra4956 Жыл бұрын
The fact that the show runners didn’t think about the acronym is yet another indicator that they don’t get Star Trek, minor as it might be.
@thinkstump2 жыл бұрын
Nothing has ever snapped me back into my 90's childhood like seeing that TNG commercial ad. Holy damn. It was sharp as an olfactory triggered memory. Love you RLM
@MrDe4dGuy346 жыл бұрын
The show's abbreviation is STD? Was no one awake during the production to call that shit out?
@YZaiCreates6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, nobody calls voyager stv
@MrDe4dGuy346 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Voyager's title doesn't also abbreviate as STD either. Just hearing the title makes me want to go to the doctor to get a check-up. I don't hate the show, but such a lack of awareness on such a simple detail makes me question on how much attention to detail the show runners are going to give to the new Star Trek show.
@RGDcommentnode6 жыл бұрын
The girl with the robot head shows that while genetic engineering is a big no-no in Star Trek, people go hog wild with cybernetics. Great future.
@dastractionwolfkagmi29376 жыл бұрын
I don't think she was human.
@CarlosFontes6 жыл бұрын
Daft Punk FTW
@84jesterx6 жыл бұрын
And finally affordable since there is no currency in the future.
@DMichaelAtLarge6 жыл бұрын
"The Orville" proves you can go back home, you can make Voyager again.
@dambition74954 жыл бұрын
I litteraly dont understand why someone would think yiu wouldnt be able to
@pyramear54144 жыл бұрын
@@dambition7495 because humanities opinion of itself has nosedived in the recent decade. Execs think no one is smart enough to appreciate anything that isn't constant explosions.
@bredincaptivity46924 жыл бұрын
@@pyramear5414 The worst part is they're probably right.
@arlostein10004 жыл бұрын
If it's got McFarlane's greasy dogshit hands on it then I'll pass
@Nethseaar4 жыл бұрын
Except, please don't make a show like Voyager again. (That is, don't treat the premise of a show as a joke, and don't ignore continuity, and don't technobabble-ex-machina, etc.) Make a show like TNG or TOS -- don't copy a pale imitation; go to the source.
@bowenorcutt784 жыл бұрын
"Star Trek is about a bright future" Figuratively AND literally, and this show failed at both!
@lqcrow6 жыл бұрын
I love Rich's slow, building laughter as he gets where Mike is explaining abbreviations.
@jcjaff5716 жыл бұрын
JAY! WE ARE STILL WAITING ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON TWIN PEAKS; THE RETURN. PLEASE LET US KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
@petewadesays126 жыл бұрын
Joshua Jaffee I'd love to hear more. I even go on Twitter to see his thoughts on Peaks. I assume he loved it. I sure did
@ericpetschow11086 жыл бұрын
Joshua Jaffee I know......wtf where is the review
@jcjaff5716 жыл бұрын
I have no doubt, but I need to hear from him how much he loved it. I know it's probably weird or creepy but my Twin Peaks experience won't be complete until I can compare and contrast my thoughts to his.
@BaxterBarclay6 жыл бұрын
Man, I'm just sitting here waiting for his Exorcist 3 review. Maybe this Halloween...
@sephirothstein29436 жыл бұрын
Joshua Jaffee problem is that probably none of the other hack frauds actually watched the one quality show this year
@onen69425 жыл бұрын
@35:34 Superweapon threatening the alpha quadrant? Mike literally guessed the plot for season 2 while covering the pilot, goddamn
@LowellMorgan6 жыл бұрын
You do have Star Trek fans among you viewers. We'd appreciate you doing more discussions like this since you know Star Trek and aren't total wankers.
@xerra36 жыл бұрын
But Klingons had the same look for TNG, DS9, Voyager ... thats literally years and years of ST with the same look.
@-..-_-..-4 жыл бұрын
and the motion picture and enterprise too, so literally from '79 to '05. the tng klingon design is old enough it's probably married with kids
@jacoblevenson79344 жыл бұрын
@@-..-_-..- and they were always supposed to look like that. TOS just didn't have the budget to make them look like that.
@trekadam303 жыл бұрын
@@jacoblevenson7934 EXACTLY!
@YT1300MF3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I can’t agree with the guys here. The Klingons only changed once. Not to mention Enterprise actually had tied a rather nice bow around that particular discrepancy, so in reality you had 40 years of consistent appearance, including three years of them looking different but retconned to make sense. There was no reason to change their appearance anymore than the Romulans or Vulcans.
@omnivorousbiped24476 жыл бұрын
This is the best RLM content in recent memory. I'd watch you two jabber for another hour.
@TeamZealand6 жыл бұрын
Since when is Mike a Star Trek fan?
@socialmedia46373 жыл бұрын
Glad they showed 18:21 Day of the Dove - I always thought it was kinda funny how they kept Shatner's reaction to being slapped on the back by Micheal Ansara. He instinctively wanted to hit back because it stung!