Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Retrospective/Review - Star Trek Retrospective, Part 6

[@RowanJColeman]

Star Trek 5 Watch Party video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6K5dqatpraIZ7c

[@woody4077]

star trek 5 aka the murphy's law of star trek films

[@donksvilesghost]

Ooooooooo

[@SpaceMonke99]

Haha, I had no idea about the original version. That is just so very Shatner to make Kirk the only one capable of saving the day. Aside from that the idea of a cult trying to find God in a sci-fi setting is fascinating and has a lot of potential to be executed really well. I don't know why, but themes of religion in this genre can be absolutely fascinating if handled correctly.

[@qwellen7521]

Yeah. I don’t buy monotheism just dying out once we have space colonies. It would just be reworked.

[@NerdilyDone]

To be fair, if you think about it, this is really just a retread of several TOS episodes with godlike beings.

[@CoreIreland]

People forget what RJC pointed out in Ep2, it was Shatner that came up with the solution and ending of STTMP.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

I think it was Red Letter Media who noticed that in ST:TNG the idea of religion was actively discouraged by the crew of the Enterprise in at least one episode. Probably Mr Roddenberry's last shake of the fist at the franchise that slipped away from him.

[@NashmanNash]

@@qwellen7521 Oh please..of course monotheism will die out once humanity encounters single,omnipotent beings...wait a minute

[@Koniving]

My favorite question came from this film. "What does God need with a starship?"

[@Kujakuseki01]

It’s kind of the only memorable thing about the film.

[@theonlymatthew.l]

@@Kujakuseki01 Exactly!! 👍

[@kiwiruna9077]

Best ST quote ever

[@k1productions87]

I always favored the campfire scene. The entire exchange about trying to get Spock to sing, and McCoy's quip about Spock "God, I liked him before he DIED!"

[@purefoldnz3070]

my favorite question is what happened to Sagittarius A at the center of our galaxy??

[@matthewdoyle3628]

The film wasn't that bad however the best part of the whole movie is the camping trip between Kirk/Spock and McCoy it showed how great a bond they had with each other.

[@huskyfaninmass1042]

Why did they call marshmallows "marsh melons"?

[@johnbockelie3899]

Just remember the camping scene with Kirk , Spock and McCoy. They were just being them selves. Hell, even Uhura had to bring them back in a shuttle craft because Kirk had " forgot" his communicator. " I was wondering where that went". " bourbon , and beans, ....an explosive combination."

[@MrMac1138]

@@huskyfaninmass1042 That was cut. In the novelization it’s revealed that McCoy got an engineer to edit entries in the ship database related to camping. He planted the word marshmelon and row, row, row your boat as his way of messing with Spock. That’s why you see he and Kirk side eyeing each other. They were trying to see if Spock would pick up that they were messing with him.

[@davidgerlach4395]

@@huskyfaninmass1042 In the novelization it was explained that doctor mccoy was pranking Spock and had the library computer altered.

[@BTScriviner]

Never saw this outing and no real desire to. Good analysis, as always. Also, the Simpsons parody is spot on. "Again with the Klingons!" is my favorite line.

[@Football__Junkie]

Row row row your boat. I always thought the guy who played Sybock did a great job. Very good actor

[@paulrasmussen8953]

I would love a director's version of this

[@stevieboymkii]

Continuing to do a great job with these retrospectives - the work is always appreciated! Really would like to see what Meyer could have done to steer the ship a little back on course!

[@nickcampa4590]

Solidly done, I enjoy most everything you've been doing, this series has been awesome though. Well done.

[@stellabrown5034]

I am going through all of your Star Trek episodes and telling everyone how true they are to my belief I wish more people would open up their mind and their eyes wake up wake up

[@Thechezbailey]

David Warner is one of those guys you only have to see one performance to love in my opinion.

[@CharcoChoc]

Love these, can't wait for part 7. Undiscovered Country is my personal favourite.

[@drivingmemad7640]

Personally I really like this film. I don't look on it in the same way as the other Star Trek films, but to me this is a 'buddy' movie. It explores the later stage relationship between the Kirk-Spock-McCoy friendship dynamic. Kirk's prophetic 'I've always known I'll die alone' and just the overall feeling of moving from crewmates to friendships akin to family was touching and done well. There are some rough edges to it played for comedy value sure, but it hold a warm place for me. I see the God planet story as a secondary plot that gives them a reason to carry the buddy story along, and deepen the exploration of most of the TOS characters.

[@slinkyspedboy]

Little surprised Billy Graham was lumped in with Jim and Tammy Faye.... Billy was a public (tent) evangelist who was televised later at stadium revivals. J&T were straight to TV on a stage. I suggest BG be edited out, and put the many televangelists edited in.

[@Thunder978]

I’ve watched all of these in the series now. You’ve done a fantastic job and I’ve had a blast watching them.

[@crowtservo]

It came out on my older brother’s 14th birthday. I was only 9 years old but I had a few dollars on me so I paid for our movie tickets and bought us some popcorn several days after it came out (he was obsessed with getting his drivers permit right away so Star Trek had to wait). I had called our older cousin who was 16 at the time to see if he wanted to drive us to the movie and go to it with us and he said no, he didn’t see the point of going to the movies to see Star Trek when it was on tv every week. He was better off staying home instead of going to the movie with us.

[@augiegirl1]

My younger brother's 8th birthday was 11 days after the movie came out (I was 10).

[@adsheff]

I genuinely think there's a good film in there. The concept is interesting, and very Star Trek. With some tweaks and better special effects this would be much improved.

[@popculture70]

I've always enjoyed this movie.

[@nata3467]

End of day...it is Star Trek- I end up watching all of them regardless.

[@donvreeland8844]

I loved ST V! Maybe from being a 'Counseling Medic' as I 'aced' a year of Psych.

[@rgerber]

I always thought the rock monster in Galaxy Quest is a tribute to what was cut in Final Frontier

[@DarthTingleBinks]

Honestly, I quite enjoyed this film. It is my fourth favorite of the original 6 films, above 4 and 1 (1 being my least favorite). My overall ranking ov the original 6 movies goes as follows: 1. Wrath of Khan 2. Undiscovered Country 3. Search for Spock 4. Final Frontier 5. Voyage Home 6. The Motion Picture I think I just liked the idea of a God-like entity, or more accurately, the idea that there could be a God-like figure shared among different alien species across the galaxy. And I'm saying that AS an Atheist. And I like that the entity Sybok was seeking only turned out to be a pretender (though surprisingly close to the actual Biblical God in terms of cruelty), and I was genuinely shocked when Kirk started questioning "God," as I felt that particular part wouldn't have landed well with many viewers (especially the Christians). I also think it would interesting to see the entity (and possibly even Sybok) return to Star Trek in some manner (possibly in Discovery) as an entity that powerful doesn't seem like something that would be destroyed by some phaser fire (even though it was from a ship).

[@Stansman63]

This was never shown at my towns main cinema, instead they sent it to an old theatre on the edge of town as a double feature with "Licence to Kill". It was no great surprise when I later learnt that neither movie was considered a success.

[@MrMann0123]

I loved this film. Not the best but a collection of great moments with a thin plot in between. So many meme-able moments that make it so hard for me to dislike the whole.

[@FreedomforHaiti]

The main thing that bothered me about 5 was all the sight gags Paramount insisted on putting in. I felt like I was reading a Mad Magazine satire. I liked that Kirk, et al spent time in nature during shore leave, the idea of a planet where three cultures try to establish a peaceful society (should've been revisited in a TV episode), and the quest for God was ballsy, it just needed a better payoff. Roddenberry himself had tried to produce a script addressing God called The God Thing, but Paramount turned it down. I liked the effects, especially the depictions of the Great Barrier. IMO, our society has gotten too obsessed with technical perfection (ever since Star Wars).

[@eddstarr2185]

Again you've touched on one of my rants, even Bill Shatner can't see the past the "Star Trek" cliché. As the original cast was aging, all I wanted was a simple story to see the old gang back together again one last time. My idea was a Retirement Party for Admiral Kirk at the famous Risa resort planet. Kick-back, relax and have some fun with the cast as we share the good, the bad and the funny moments. One last chance to say goodbye with a smile, a song and cake with waay too many lit candles on it, LOL! 😊

[@RA-VEN8]

Well Done.

[@marclaclear6628]

Billy Graham wasn't a televangelist.

[@hawkiebaby]

I really disliked the film when I was in my 20s. In my 30s I did not really care about it and skipped rerun sessions. Now, in my 40s, after several life changing events, own children, along with pain and suffering, ST V grew so much on me. Now I think it is one of the best films in the Star Trek franchise.

[@gstcomputing65]

People can crap on it all they want, but this is the same crew that once outwitted the Greek god Apollo. In actual story line, it arguably resembles the original series more than the rest of the films. I enjoyed it, and I can watch it anytime. I give a "B...as in Barricade!!!"

[@MrLuciousp]

10 FIXES: 1) CUT Kirk falling off the rock. 2) CUT "Row, Row, Row Your Boat". 3) MAKE Sybok only a childhood friend of Spock. 4) MAKE Sybok's mind control more sinister. 5) MAKE the mind controlled crew scarier, darker. 6) CUT the Klingons. 7) CUT a lot of the romance and comedy. 8) CUT the jet boots/lift sequence. 9) MAKE the journey to Sha Ka Ree as epic a V'ger. 10) MAKE God "Charlie X" from the original series. BONUS FIX: *) MAKE the credits in the style of "Khan".

[@joshuapatrick682]

All I learned from this is that nepotism ruled and ruled the entertainment industry….not surprised since it rules pretty much everything

[@maxwellschmidt235]

The movie doesn't bring out very well that free climbing el cap is Kirk fighting mortality, trying to be brash and young again. I've said it before, but V is the most original series movie of them all, which is why I think it deserves a lukewarm but positive memory.

[@siennahartle9069]

They really didn’t learn their lesson about giving Spock previously unmentioned siblings huh?

[@ariacummings]

I like to refer to this movie as Star Trek V: The One That Sucks.

[@johnbockelie3899]

"Captain, if I may........, A family portrait of The Clan of Sarek, my family on Vulcan.........the smiling Vulcan is my half brother, Sybok.......the Earth woman, my adapted " sister, Michael, a woman with a man's name."

[@KhaosAdmiral]

as bad as Star Trek V was, I honestly do consider Nemesis to be a much worse film as its failure effectively killed Star Trek for a few years.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Generations is far worse

[@FreakDaMIghet]

The best thing to come out of this movie are the silly quotes my dad and I say to each other.

[@MrLuciousp]

A climax featuring angels vs demons?! HOLY SH*T!! Paramount cheapskates screwed us out of THAT?!!!

[@kennyryan625]

Star Trek V The Final Frontier was (and still is) my favourite Star Trek film. I’ll never understand the ridiculous level of hate it gets. No-one watches Star Trek for the special effects. It’s about the message.

[@solduspython]

Cant remember the last time i watched ST5.

[@k1productions87]

Ooooh, I just realized,... with Star Trek V coming out in Summer of 1989, that means it came after TNG's second season. TNG hadn't even hit its stride yet when this movie came out. That must have been a rough period. TNG Season 3 had to literally save the franchise from an almost gutter it was falling into. Fortunately 1991 was a kind of boom period

[@andrewmurray1550]

Sybok being spock's half brother is that more or less plausible (or believable) than Michael Burham being his adoptive sister?

[@glenn_r_frank_author]

All I can remember about this film was the scene where Spock in in his silly hover-boots and Kirk is climbing El Capitan in Yosemite... which makes me think I saw it but honestly I do not remember ANYTHING about ST V! none of that plot or the visuals are ringing a bell... wow... either I only saw preview cuts of that one scene or my memory is going bad.

[@usedscar]

If Connery had played god this movie would be more well thought of. He belonged in a Star Trek movie!

[@jacques-emmanuelbelizaire8592]

Billie Graham is a genuine evangelist. He has nothing to do with the other TV fake evangelist. He wasn't in it for the money and many had a conversion and genuinely found and walked with God afterwards. Just like not all soldiers were Nazis back in WWII. Some actually tried to do something against Hitler.

[@james-qq8uo]

How can you walk with an imaginary character?

[@lancasterII]

Yes, there are some good ideas and elements in this, but it's still an abomination. Uhura's dance, Scotty, Sulu, Chekov acting like buffoons, horrible special effects, Spock having a surprise sibling out of nowhere, ten minutes in and I was just shaking my head. Thank goodness for the Romulan ambassador.

[@hopsonkim4952]

They should go back and re-do the effects for this and replace George Murdock with Alanis Morissette.

[@ricogomez4020]

Is that SFX company still in business?

[@Glandorray]

Man, and here I was thinking that Shatner was gonna be the major reason why the film was a disaster. Turns out? Just really REALLY bad luck on his part.

[@Rocketsong]

Final Frontier isn't a bad movie, its a decent movie that was poorly crafted, mostly due to the ever dreaded studio interference. As is often the case the novelization fills in or paves over some of the plot issues, such as how the Enterprise got through the barrier and how the Klingons followed them. Remaster the VFX, (including fixing the stupid turbolift numbers) and it would actually be fairly decent.

[@danieldalton6544]

Just seems there's a STTMPDE or SIIRDC inside this film. Look, this film was just as good as the previous one. Paramount let Shatner down, namely through Ralph Winter (in charge of the visual effects team chosen, by him). Yes, ILM was booked but had he gotten Richard Edlund, Dream Quest, Apogee hell even John Dykstra or any number of a half dozen proven quality visual effects delivery systems companies, this could have been something else and delivered what this film deserved, effects wise. Instead? He chose Bran Farren? Okie dokie (he shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near VI for committing such a dunderheaded sin). Yes, there are scenes that are not "the greatest" as well as in VI because of whomever and because those whomevers thought because IV was funny and the most successful that that was the formula to pile on the funny, the silly, the goofy ( inappropriate for this particular trek, at least). Just seemed a little bit of sabotage was going on by Bennett passed down through Winter toward Shatner (because he wanted Shatner to fail for personal reasons?) that they didn't do to Nimoy, even down to the eventual misguided comedy writer and spending money for cinematography instead of visual effects. The story IS THERE. And it's quite distinct and eloquent, when it's not being overly silly, like Superman II-TC/RLC. The idea, the theory, the belief that "GOD" is in the human heart is intelligent, thought out, and TRUE. Had the film not been delayed by Nimoy's The Good Mother and Paramount spending another few million on spectacular f/x I think it would have been a hit as well, released in '88 instead of '89-the first Blockbuster Summer (hell, Blockbuster Year) at the movies. Even though the film disappointed, it made more than it's money back. And, even though the visual effects weren't where they needed to be, I still liked it and watched it 3 times in the cinema (the first plural viewings at the theatre for any Trek film) and continue to admire many facets of this film. Just wish Paramount would have permitted Shatner a director's edition, to make up for f**king it up on premiere (I mean, "my god", he's still working at age 92!!!!, let's give him his props). Lol. Well, anyway...

[@jamesparry561]

However bad the film is, it's worth it just for that piece of music when kirk is climbing el capitan. Stunning.

[@startrekker6913]

I'm sorry i like The Final Frontier, bar the special effects and God bullcrap. I like it and I love the campfire scenes their beautiful and I love them.

[@nicholascassadine1294]

The movie did poorly because of the release date. Did you guys see the number of classic blockbusters it went up against? HOLY F*CK. That’s probably the most stacked summer release ever.

[@spacepiratecaptainrush1237]

Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain, why is he climbing a mountain.

[@NikStamps]

"Because it's there" (some famous quote a climber made about why he climbed mount Everest)

[@RA-VEN8]

To hug the mountain.

[@spacepiratecaptainrush1237]

"to envelope, that mountain"

[@leejohnstone2285]

Me: Spock do you have any other siblings that we don't know about? Spock: that's up to the writers of Discovery lol

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Given how little Spock ever talks about his family to anyone, I’m not surprised if there’s more secret family members he’s not even mentioning. I mean nobody even knew his father was THE Ambassador Sarek until he was right in front of Spock, Spock keeps his family ties very close to his chest you’d have to pry it out of him

[@kc0itf]

Spock: If I told you, I'd have to kill you...

[@leejohnstone2285]

@@kc0itf lol

[@leejohnstone2285]

@@CaptainPikeachu plus Spock was estranged from his father for a long time. Spock even says to Picard you knew my father better then his own son

[@mikewaite3746]

I don't see how you could consider Star Trek discovery, Picard, and possibly strange new worlds Cannon. The problem I have is it is a service that you actually physically have to pay for and is not an over-the-air Television Network show. One thing I do enjoy watching is h&i TV they show the original series all the way up through Enterprise Sunday through Friday night 8 until 1 in the morning. Yes you have to watch a few commercials but I absolutely despise paying for any subscription services.

[@erikklein7618]

The best part of this movie is the campfire scene you can really feel the years that these actors have been together in that scene

[@gallery7596]

I really like the line "Please, Captain...not in front of the Klingons." Shatner's got such a great sense of humor; they might've done better if they'd attempted a flat out comedy.

[@UnitSe7en]

Shatner absolutely does not have a great sense of humour.

[@Marveryn]

@@UnitSe7en how can you claim that? have you seen him when he does SNL bits? the guy love making fun of his himself

[@UnitSe7en]

@@Marveryn That's not proof of having a great sense of humour - Unless you're suggesting that he's a really good joke.

[@terrycraig6386]

Boo boo.😊

[@timhendricks650]

I pretty much agree with Shatner's own take on this movie: There's a shadow of a good movie in there, it just never quite materialized. I don't think it would have happened just by not having the strikes, and getting ILM onboard, but those certainly didn't help. Some of the scenes in this movie are actually pretty great though, even if the whole movie isn't.

[@111highgh]

Thank you, Peter Travers of Rolling Stone.

[@raymondmeyers8983]

Agree, it was a movie that was less than the sum of its parts

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@raymondmeyers8983It wasn't a total dumpster - fire, but it was on a par with Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

[@DouglasEdward84]

There are a few things I like about Final Frontier, the score is outstanding, the crew/cast interacts well together and the first half of the movie is acceptable. The turning point of the film for me is Uhura's "dance" after that point the movie takes a turn for camp, the poor special effects seem to show up more and things never really recover bar one or two redeemable moments.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

This is a fair assessment.

[@Michael_ORourke]

I find this movie really entertaining (probably from the mix of legitimately good things and campiness). Some highlights for me were: the camping scenes, Spock's rocket boots, the drunk Klingon ambassador, Sybok (the character and performance), the jailbreak scene, rocket boots up the turboshaft, the "release your pain" scene, and "what does God need with a starship?".

[@alfredvalrie5541]

@@Michael_ORourke It's probably the only truly lighthearted Star Trek film. The stakes are the lowest of any Trek film, and we're just along for the ride with old friends.

[@Rhamsody]

Uhura and Scotty's relationship was so out of left field, and hardcore cringe for me.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

@@Rhamsody It should’ve been handled better or not at all. It’s not so much cringe as confusing.

[@cubmastercherryhillcubscou4900]

I’ve often wondered if the camera crew had trouble shooting the campfire scene... if they could see DeForrest for the trees....

[@Scripture-Man]

LOL Good job the scene didn't feature Edward Woodward!

[@BTScriviner]

Out the airlock with you! 🤣

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

DeForrest for DeTrees

[@fakecubed]

This comment is the best thing to ever come out of that movie.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@fakecubed Too bad they couldn't get ED WOOD to direct it, hehehehe.....

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

The McCoy "Pain sharing" scene really always touches me… it's absolutely heartbreaking and it is such a turn of the films overall more joyful mood. In fact the film is quite a rollercoaster and it makes you wonder how it would have become if the troubled production circumstances would have been more in favor of this film. This kind of personal character exploration is what i love the most about this film. Even though sadly we don't find out more about Uhura, Scotty, Sulu and Chekov. But just like the show it follows the same structure by focussing mainly on the 3 main roles Kirk, Spock & Bones. Just as Gene Roddenberry originally intended with the show.

[@marcychan168]

Agree absolutely - De Kelley was brilliant in this - it was very moving for me as well and one that I remember most in this movie - this - and the campfire scene (sort of Star Trek meets Blazing Saddles😄😄😄😄🤭)

[@Marveryn]

weirdly enough this is one of my mom favorite. It has to do with the pain sharing part of the villian cause she was a social work dealing with drugs and alcohol. So this film nuance hit her bottom right.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@Marveryn The scene where Sybok rides onscreen looked like Lawrence of Arabia.

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

It’s Star Trek’s own When She Loved Me scene. An emotional moment no one sees coming.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 Didn't Sybok break a MAJOR Vulcan taboo by reaching inside their minds, digging out painful moments, etc. ? There was discussion of Spock reaching into Valeris' mind in ST VI, AND the *ethics* therein, even though circumstances were *_way_* different.

[@dirkfierce2525]

Despite the mess this movie is, Kirk's line "What does God need with a starship?" has got to be one of the best lines in all of Star Trek.

[@ukmediawarrior]

I absolutely agree, lol:) I always wondered why Sybok and Spock never asked themselves that, I mean they are Vulcan so logically that should of been the first thing they considered, lol.

[@nathanexplosionn]

In all of SciFi

[@ashleydominiak9059]

👆”excuse me”

[@WCRMovies]

The films is overall a mess, but there're some fantastic lines in it!

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@WCRMovies " God " should've been portrayed by Gary Lockwood AKA Gary Mitchell, Kirk's best friend who was turned into a silver - eyed superhuman in the series.

[@derworfnet]

I can't be too hard on TFF, for it is (like the others) also part of my childhood. And many of its negatives (hole ridden script, mediocre SFX, disappointing climax, forced humor) can be attributed to its difficult production. And there is definately a lot to enjoy here. First of all, it feels more like TOS than the other five TOS-Movies: Antagonists taking over the _Enterprise_ and our Heroes facing off against a creature pretending to be a God were tropes explored several times during the Series. More importantly, this movie has great Scenes for the 'Big Three'. Their dynamic and friendship is very well explored here and given a lot of room. The Camping Scene is very enjoyable for me for that reason. Its a bit like the Party-Scene from "Age of Ultron" in a way: Just our Heroes having a good time not worrying about Saving-the-Universe-Stuff. Also, the Film has a charismatic and likeable Antagonist (more like Antihero) in the Form of Sybok (Laurence Luckinbill gives a really solid performance IMO), good camerawork and a fantastic Score by Jerry Goldsmith. And the one time where all of these positive Aspects come together, the Scene in the Observation-lounge where Sybok confronts McCoy and Spock with their pain is legitimately one of the best Scenes of the entire Franchise. Everything is on point there. I mean that. Overall, this is the only TOS-Film I don't *love.* But I still _like_ it. It deserves credit for at least *trying* to give us that Vulcan Salute. In stark contrast, I feel like more most Trek I watched since 2017 was just giving me the finger...

[@philfitnesspt6139]

Agree with what you said. I actually enjoy it the same as 4 and it's better than 1.

[@Scripture-Man]

You watched Trek since 2017? Poor guy.

[@cooliphoneguy2934]

This is such a good series! Are you planning on going beyond ST6 and into TNG/DS9/etc era?

[@RowanJColeman]

Yes, I'll be going right up to Star Trek Beyond. I've already started work on the TNG Retrospective, which will likely be about two hours long 😅

[@ZuluRomeo]

@@RowanJColeman The Star Trek 6 story should be interesting, with the subtext of Gene Roddenberry's declining health and the planning of DS9 at the time. Trek was in dark and edgy times back then.

[@k1productions87]

@@ZuluRomeo and a lot of controversial decisions on the part of Nick Meyer, like lines that bothered much of the cast members, some of which they flat out refused to read. Wanting Nichelle Nichols as Uhura to be the one to say "Guess who's coming to dinner" was particularly troublesome.

[@GeeVanderplas]

This one does indeed always feels more like a TOS story than the other original movies. The primitive visual effects actually help in that respect! For me, this one still holds some entertainment value, even if it means laughing at the picture. There are a couple of genuinely great moments with the main characters though. Overall, the worst of the original movies, but not my least favorite Trek movie.

[@saulzmon]

I love the young Klingon captain in ST5. He really sells having a hardon for going out to battle the legend known as Kirk.

[@k1productions87]

its just a bit jarring going from this, and seemingly a little respect between captains at the end of the film.... to "Let them die!" in the film afterward.

[@Rhamsody]

I liked his jacked up first officer gassing him up to take a shot at Kirk.

[@Scripture-Man]

What horrible use of the word "hardon"! LOL

[@buddha4tw]

William Shatner going from directing a few TJ Hooker episodes to a full length movie, what could go wrong...

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Nothing he had control over

[@RighteousBrother]

Not his fault.

[@buckhunter6560]

He had good ideas, but his hands were tied from day one.

[@joblo7]

I'm not a fan of this film, but to be fair, the actual direction wasn't a problem. The biggest problem of the film is the story and the script. Shatner actually directed twice as much television than Nimoy, before directing this feature.

[@jesseadair5564]

I thought the reason Sean Connery didn't do Star Trek V was because he was busy with Indiana Jones

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Indiana Jones was a much bigger paycheck I guess

[@adamsagehorn3520]

I think people are too harsh on Final Frontier. For one, I like Cybok and Spocks paradigm. One embraces his emotions and feels so much yet doesnt have any true friends unlike Spock who although represses his emotions has friends he has faith in and will not abandon. Second it has my favorite Kirk quote. "I need my pain. My pain makes me who I am." Just great insight there to the human condition.

[@shona-sof]

One of the best things I can say about this film is that in tone and presentation, it's the movie that most feels like a bigger scale episode of the original series.

[@Koniving]

The version we got is better than Shatner's original version.

[@sinicalypse]

I'll take #Blasphemy for $1000, Alex!

[@TakedaIesyu]

I disagree. Apart from McCoy and Spock leaving Kirk, the original version sounds really cool and interesting. I'd love to see what it would have looked like.

[@dytakeda]

#restoretheshatneruniverse

[@Axonteer]

Somehow i remember this exact film most "fondly" when i think of the old star trek movies... i dont know why, maybe i saw it first at a specific moment? I really dont know but i just rewatched it recently, its not as bad as many seem to make it out to be (i only heard recently that its apparently a bad movie) ... but i might be bias'd because im no "hardcore" Trekky and im not invested in the franchise in any way, i just enjoy sci fi and.. i enjoyed the movie. Altho i noticed the lower VFX quality and i never knew why.... now i know :D

[@willlauzon3744]

It's definitely the worst of the 6 it wasn't that bad in most respects. It had an okay premise and good moments between the cast specifically the camping scenes.

[@Neil070]

There were bad aspects to it. Spock having a "secret" brother and just by coincidence being sent to confront him. The "only ship in the quadrant" thing again. Generally, though, it is only less good by comparison with STII, STIV & STVI. On its own merits, it's a decent film. Not bad for a rookie director

[@matthewburns7989]

@@Neil070 I like to think of STV as an above average B movie. Very watchable and makes for a nice diversion on a rainy day.

[@motomike71]

Despite the movie's problems, it has one of my favorite lines of the series: "What does god need with a starship?"

[@oafpolitics179]

I went to see this film with my very first paycheck... and I nearly gave up on cinema altogether. Topped in it's disappointment only by Highlander 2.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Generations is far worse

[@oafpolitics179]

@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan We don't talk about generations.

[@georgemorley1029]

You have a rich heritage in disappointing cinema.

[@hopsonkim4952]

Highlander: there should have been only one.

[@icreateworlds]

I don´t care, this is still my all time favorite Star Trek movie and the only one in Cinema that actually feels like a Star Trek story. Love the inclusion of the original bridge noises and all these little details. Finally the bridge also feels like a Star Trek Enterprise place, the characters actually feel like the real original Trek characters from the 60s and the whole God ideia is great. Too bad about the "poor" ending when it comes to production values but in my view this is still the best Trek movie. I think Shatner was the only director that really got the original feel totally right. And that "Why that God needs a starship" is one of those phrases that to this days still pops in my mind all the time. I love this movie. Great bluray edition too. I also love Star Trek the Movie and the ones I really don´t care much about are The Wrath of Khan and the Search for Spock. The Voyage Home was great too. Other than that after V , I didn´t like any of the subsequent movies and dont even remember much about them. But V is one of those that I keep revisiting and I think Shatner actually has a distinct directorial style that made the movie stand apart.

[@smallishfilms8362]

I have to say this one felt the closest to a TOS episode to me. The bond between the trio, the voyage into the unknown and match up against a god feels very much like who mourns for adonais

[@icreateworlds]

@@smallishfilms8362 My toughts, exactly. :)

[@fstanley2328]

Yeah it felt cheaply made and filmed. Just like the TOS episodes.

[@truthskr7127]

Agreed, I thought this one was great. It returned to some philosophical debates the original series was known for and created character depth with Sybok exploring their pain. So many fundamentals in new Trek series are lost, younger fans just don't know.

[@kennyryan625]

Totally agree with you. It’s my favourite Star Trek film

[@willlauzon3744]

I always thought that the "god" was one of the many omnipotent beings in the galaxy imprisoned on a planet inside a barrier that would prevent rescue.

[@jcngokai-76]

“Our guy in a silly rubber suit looked like ... a guy in a silly rubber suit.” Priceless 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@edwardevans7219]

THE MUSIC FROM JERRY GOLDSMITH WAS THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@k1productions87]

Imagine Insurrection and Nemesis without the Goldsmith soundtracks

[@edwardevans7219]

@@k1productions87 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@neelvaidya40]

I love that a recurring theme in these retrospectives is that when a story sounds bad, they consult Nicholas Meyers

[@gimmeboobes]

Has its issues, but watching this crew, and this cast play them, was always a visit with old friends.

[@barbaramcgee8933]

Exactly. I love these characters and spending any time with them is a good time.

[@purefoldnz3070]

more like a visit to the old folks home.

[@aldunlop4622]

@@purefoldnz3070 Ah there’s always one wanker at every party.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@aldunlop4622 wouldn't be much wanking going on at that age.

[@michaellewis1545]

For me the most interesting concept from the movie was the idea of the city of Paradise. You have the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans coming together to build a city were they could live together in peace. Yet as we see in the movie it failed. I always wondered how did it fail? Was doom from the star, dose a city in post scarcity universe need more then good will and intrest to survive? If anything from this movie should be revisited it should be that city.

[@RowanJColeman]

Yeah that setting was actually a pretty cool concept. I wonder if there's a novel somewhere exploring that.

[@TimNutting]

I always wonder about the inconsistency of this alleged post-scarcity universe in Star Trek. "Mudd's Women" isn't that far in the past here. As I do not have encyclopedic knowledge of Stardates I couldn't say exactly how long ago it was, but Childress and his crew weren't post-scarcity. Even so, you're totally right: Paradise City's failure is very interesting!

[@derworfnet]

@@RowanJColeman If I remember correctly, the "Vanguard"-Novel-Series touched upon Nimbus 5 a bit. Also there is the ST5-Novelisation by J.M.Dillard that went into a bit more detail regarding the setting (and the backstory of J'onn)

[@Rocketsong]

Nimbus III is a fairly major social hub in Star Trek Online. It's still a backwater, and the Orions are using it as a location to smuggle weapons of mass destruction.

[@broganfreeman8958]

As per usual, quality content mate. Can't wait for your Undiscovered Country review. ...nothing pickles me gherkin more than hearing Klingons abuse Shakespeare! "Cry havok, & let slip the dogs war!" Mark Anthony may have spake! Never once did he entertain Ghak! Bet he'd entertain Cleopatra after some Romulan Ale though!!!

[@riogrande5761]

Rowan included a picture of Billy Graham in the televangelists; but in my opinion, Rev Graham had a very high degree of integrity vs. many of the others. I don't recall him getting rich off of parishners.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

I always had a lot of sympathy for this film. It was never going to be great, but it could have been better than it ended up.

[@mattrodgers4878]

Unfortunately, trying to live up to the best (TWOK) and the most profitable (St4) is a pretty tall order. I’m a huge William Shatner admirer, but most will agree he has a huge ego. Nothing wrong with a ego (it’s almost impossible to enjoy the success he has had without a huge ego!) but in this case I think it definitely hurt his goals for the movie. Not to mention all the budget and writer problem that were out of his control.

[@AstroNerdBoy]

I saw this in Japan, and had to wait 6-months after it was released in America. So I had already heard the negative press on the film and went to the theater with lowered expectations. I remember liking the idea of having ground troops to storm the facility to rescue the "hostages", but the crappy special effects killed a lot of the fun of that. And I did notice that the Great Barrier was a concept from TOS, so it disappointed me that this wasn't mentioned in the film. On the whole, it is OK. I still have the VHS copy I later bought in Japan, just for the Japanese cover.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Jerry Goldsmith's return to score the Trek films really was amazing as he wrote an absolutely beautiful score for the film that oozes adventure, passion, excitement and sheer beauty. The Mountain Climbing theme is still to this day one of the most beautiful pieces ever written for any Star Trek and is, together with Jay Chattaway's "The Inner Light" and Dennis McCarthy's Star Trek Generations suite, my absolute favorite piece of Star Trek music. :)

[@tineye5100]

The Generations score doesn’t get enough love! Agreed!

[@BPond7]

The span of time between the campfires is Captain Kirk’s dream. It’s the only thing that explains Spock’s half-brother, the impossible number of decks in the ship, and any number of other bizarre happenings in the film. Herman Zimmerman’s new bridge was by far, my favorite, in all of Trek! I also loved Todd Bryant’s depiction of Captain Klaa. That voice! It’s a shame, that Shatner’s reach so vastly exceeded his grasp, but I still love this movie, especially the camaraderie between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. 🖖😀

[@redkommie80]

I will agree, the friendship between Kirk, McCoy and Spock is one of the best aspect of this movie. All other problems aside, that alone made the movie memorable for me

[@frankchavez519]

A really solid analysis. I think there's blame to go around for how the film turned out but at the same time, I think the general concept was solid, if poorly executed.

[@stantheman9072]

Late to the party here, but equating Rev. Billy Graham with grifter Jim Baker as similar “televangelists” is both ignorant and insulting. You should have paired Baker with Jimmy Swaggart. That would have been appropriate.

[@chasethevioletsun9996]

I would love to see Sybok reprised in an episode of Strange New Worlds, he always fascinated me as a character. I don't care for this film, but these days rank it above Nemesis and Into Darkness.

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

J J Abrams should be banned from ever picking up a camera again.

[@jimbrown5091]

This movie was not good, but the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship really shined through.

[@grahamturner1290]

Another enjoyable review! 🖖

[@NostalgiaBrit]

I unabashedly, unashamedly, and unapologetically LOVE this film! 🥰❤️

[@jenniferwilliams9612]

I am loving this series of videos. Seeing this pop up as available today on KZbin was a delight, and that is rare for me. I hope that this conveys the degree to which I am enjoying these videos. I cannot wait for the TNG, DS9, VOY, videos, and the ones for the TNG films.

[@Moochtv]

Another well put together retrospective on one my guilty pleasures of the series. I admit out of all the OST's I listen to Star Trek V the most. I miss you Jerry. RIP

[@DaveSomething]

what... does GAHHHHD... need... with a starship?

[@erichtomanek4739]

It always boils down to the story and writing. If they are good to excellent, then you are more than half way to a great movie. It is only logical.

[@saintcruzin]

This was my favorite of the films which many people disagree...I loved the search for God which turns out to be an alien...

[@SFICA9]

No apologies here but I really liked ST V. Saw it in the theaters twice and both times the audience laughed and applauded so I guess I'm not the only one who liked it. Love the music, character interactions, and the original series style introduction to the story before the main theme. I find the humor mixes well with some of the more serious moments too. Couldn't stand ST VI and thought that film had its fair share of plot holes, awkward humor, and just plain bad scenes. While ST II is considered the best film by some, it seems a bit too heavy for me to watch all that often but Final Frontier (for all its faults) always seems to bring a smile to my face.

[@nathanielm4033]

I've never completely understood the hate for this. I think it continues many of the themes of Wrath of Khan. The idea that wishing it so cannot change the march of time and experience, or erase the sins of the past. Two of my favourite lines too. "I need my pain!" And "What does God...want...with a starship?" I personally found Cybok a great character. He is a misguided visionary who makes the ultimate sacrifice when he realises the ruin his hubris had wrought. The film is also very funny. Lastly, it's genius to me that this horrific pseudo-god is defeated by Cybok forcing it to share it's pain , and we get these inhuman howls. So cool. It does look cheap and a bit hokey in parts, and the we're all friends now ending is a bit silly, but still -all in all my second favourite after Wrath of Khan.