Star Trek: Voyager S01 - Food

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[@Seamus.Harper]

"There is coffee in that nebula!" has to be one of the best lines ever 😂

[@koningbolo4700]

turned out to be freeze dried sheit instead...

[@skitzotheclown7984]

There is coffee in that nebulae... lol

[@hugh.g.rection5906]

couldnt imagine being so dull that i make coffee part of my personality

[@jamesthomas1213]

If you ever see Garret Wang at a convention ask him to do his Janeway impression he does that line so well.

[@BlinkinFirefly]

There are coffee beans in many nebulas

[@thumpercomet3856]

Janeway's obsession with Coffee and Murder are what makes her the best captain.

[@alonenjersey]

Don't forget Picards' love for "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."

[@thumpercomet3856]

@@alonenjersey Yeah but he didn't have Janeway's blood lust.

[@alonenjersey]

Point taken fellow fan.@@thumpercomet3856

[@NoahSpurrier]

It took me awhile to warm up to the Neelix character, but I eventually came to love him. The final parting scene between Neelix and Tuvok was special.

[@nicolasrowe235]

I recently watched the whole show for the first time and I couldn't stand Neelix in the beginning, he was my least favorite character and I kept wishing they would get rid of him. He really grew on me throughout the show though, it may have just been them fleshing out his character and making him into a real person and not just comedic relief.

[@bugen5]

I never realized before how Neelix's "cooking pans" are actually those round stainless steel skimmers... not really used for cooking, but I guess it looks like a futuristic alien cookware 😂

[@xxlCortez]

That video really had Janeway appear as a coffee addicted princess.

[@Enkarashaddam]

Wait ...she wasn't?

[@CoralCopperHead]

*Queen

[@wakcedout]

I think this is part of why many people disliked neelix, without understanding that long trips like this would require going back to older starfleet methods of having a chef and galley. Trading for supplies as power for replicators was finite. And janeway ended up relying on his expertise in the region of space and the ear he provided. Just like she did with tuvok

[@spaceengineeringempire4086]

I watched the entire show and I got it. Because of well. Native guid plus chef. Plus talkative person. On long multi year trips and ever month a friend dies you need someone who everyone knows that can talk with you to just slightly lighten your mood. With a meal that will distract you from the terror from being alone.

[@2centschange]

@@spaceengineeringempire4086 Plus, people don't realize that he basically acted as their cheif intelligence officer too. Every time they made contact for trade or whatever, it was him finding out who else was around, their customs, etc. He was doing this long after they left his region of space. The info he gathered was far above 'ambassador'. I think that, for various reasons, they held off giving him any kind of rank or more military title, but he was basically their version of Garak, just more bubbly and less nefarious. Honestly, the biggest issue I had with the character wasn't with the character. It was the fact that they never used his ship for anything, and acted like it didn't exist except the 3-4 times it gets mentioned. Then again, the same could be said for the captain's yacht which, while CLEARLY VISIBLE under the saucer section, isn't even mentioned.

[@paulhunter6742]

Federation Captain had lot of indulgencez, private Ready Room, private dinning room. And the individual crew quarters were excessively large too.

[@CaptainBardiel]

Ever heard of hot bunking?

[@pwnmeisterage]

@@CaptainBardiel Captains do not hot bunk. They are always given a private stateroom on all but the smallest and most cramped vessels.

[@CaptainBardiel]

@@pwnmeisterage Yes, I know. Officers don't hot bunk, only enlisted and NCOs do.

[@borgCube100]

I do believe it's the same with naval vessels around the world. At least with ships large enough to support them.

[@Swindle1984]

Picard's ready room was pretty luxurious, being an office with its own replicator, bathroom (complete with sonic shower), and a couch that unfolded into a bed (a feature we never saw used, but in a couple episodes the couch was visibly not folded up all the way), basically allowing him to live just off the bridge so he could be in the captain's seat at a moment's notice if necessary. Janeway having her own private dining room, especially so large, on a smaller ship is just thoroughly unnecessary in an era where seemingly everyone just goes to their quarters for meals.

[@The_Gallowglass]

I find it hard to believe they don't have adequate ventilation on the Voyager that could suck that smoke out. Then again, maybe he didn't know how to activate it. Then again I would think the computer would sense it and do it automatically.

[@Caiyde]

He probably disconnected the ventilation control during his cowboy rerouting of the electrical system

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@Caiyde 🙃

[@koshi6505]

Neelix probably disconnected them when he turned off the fire suppression forcefields.

[@joejackson4202]

Nelix absolute legend. Great character.

[@koningbolo4700]

Anybody read his cookbook ?

[@alonenjersey]

He and Tuvok were my favorite characters from "ST: Voyager." Neelix just wants to be every ones" friend ( I know the feeling) and Tuvok stills maintains his Vulcan ways, etc. despite being so far home and surrounded by non-Vulcans.

[@koningbolo4700]

@@alonenjersey Well American tourists act very much like American tourists despite the fact they are far away from home and being surrounded by non-Americans...

[@alonenjersey]

Good point.@@koningbolo4700

[@BlinkinFirefly]

I hated Nelix at first. But then he totally grew on me ^^

[@aeginsilverblood2070]

One of my favorite Star Trek characters. I would have preferred if Ethan Philips had been cast as a single episode mentor to captain Archer in Enterprise rather than a random ferengi pirate. It would have felt like an homage to both a well written character and the phenomenal actor that brought him to life

[@stratfordbaby]

8:54 Nicholas Locarno returns!!!

[@HP-mf4df]

8:14 "I do not recall allowing you to hydrate."

[@develynseether4426]

Its clear she does need reminding as she felt like she was still entitled to her own dining room.

[@cmj0929]

She’s the captain and was entitled to it that’s why they built it. It’s the same way on most military vessels, the captain has their own private rooms where they can invite guests and crew to join if they’d like

[@djcfrompt]

Starfleet still holds to some military traditions, including the captain being apart from the crew. Helps maintain discipline and order in what is still a military outfit.

[@hornet370]

@@djcfromptyea mostly for short missions which is what Voyager was originally supposed to be on, but since you know what happened, the Captain being closer to the crew worked better

[@02ujtb00626]

​@@hornet370Voyager, and thus the rest of the class, wasn't intended for short duration missions. It was a deep space explorer. It couldn't do the super extended missions of its larger counterparts like a nebula or galaxy class, but was perfectly suited towards the kind of extended missions a Constitution class had back in the day. That said, if Voyager was on its home turf, the standard practice if the Captain being somewhat separate would apply, and you are correct that in Voyager's unique situation Janeway being closer to the crew was more applicable. But it doesn't have anything to really do with mission duration rather than a practical response to their situation. Starfleet ships operate as starfleet ships, traditions/hierarchy included when normal operations apply.

[@BlueShift24]

@@cmj0929 and the largest quarters with actual windows and her ready-room office, which alone has the size of a crewmen’s quarters. 😅

[@LiarNobody]

I could never understand the concept of replicated rations. There's no way that replicating flavorless protein bars somehow saves the ship so much energy over whipping up some bacon and eggs.

[@Healbot2000]

Both are packed with the same amount of nutrients since the replicator adds them to whatever you're making. The difference is that the rations would have higher shelf life so it's likely that during periods where energy is more abundant (say when they're in a solar system) they would fill up their storage with rations. So they're not actually replicating rations to eat, they'd grab one already made and eat that instead. Go they go eat Neelix's Special of the Day. I wonder how many would rather eat a ration.

[@borgCube100]

Well yes and no. You can bulk replicate and store "ration-bars" far better than bacon and eggs, I'd imagine. It's like when poorer families are told to eat more veggies than frozen foods. The veggies and fresh foods that are cheaper than the frozen stuff don't last more than a few days/a week at tops.

[@smith22041]

I think it was the Replication use it self was Rationed. So like every crew member has say 10 credits/day they can spend on whatever they needed made be it food, or nick-nacks like that Flotter doll for Naomi Wildman, the watch Chakotay made for Janeway.

[@LM-xw7ii]

Oh, absolutely. Adapting to Delta quadrant food sources should have been a WAY bigger part of the series for that reason.

[@ahapka]

If the replicators was changing up existing matter into the food somehow, it could use about the same amount of energy but give people a wide variety of options that makes it worthwhile for that reason. It's not about the energy usage, but about crew morale. If it's turning energy into matter for the food, that is so energy intensive, it would be stupid. Remember, less than one gram of matter was converted into energy at Hiroshima. So the amount of energy to make an actual mean would be enormous. And that's presuming you can easily control it and make it make the food the way you want it.

[@depreseo]

The one thing, re-watching the episode where the gally is introduced that bugs me isn't that Janeway has a private dining room (we see archer have one in Enterprise, and there's the old naval tradition - be that navy or merchant shipping if captains dining separately). It's that starfleet decided to get rid of ship galleys on their large ships. We know that the NX-01 up to the NCC-1701-A had galleys/kitchens (we see them or hear about ships cooks). Yet TNG, and VOY neither the enterprise D nor the voyager had a galley... Because replicators? Like, yes, the runabouts in DS9 are tiny and so a replicator makes sense. The Defiant, although small could have had a kitchen as warships (with the defiant being officially unofficially classed as a warship) do have them as crew fitness and health iant a "luxury". Yeh the great big NCC-1701-D had no kitchen/galley apparently and neither did voyager? I mean, these are ships of exploration and "what do they eat and how do they prepare it" is part of that exploration. Plus we always hear how replicated food just doesn't taste right. So why no ship galleys? It always baffled me, and apparently the writers aswell as enterpise-E onwards would have ship galleys again.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

they probably had galleys, or even restaurants, on the D. Basically we saw 10-Forward but i would bet there were plenty of other places to eat. We just never got to see them. They had a Cetacean Ops that we never saw. Galaxy Class ships were huuuuuuge.

[@depreseo]

@@cernstormrunner7263 while we do see bars like 10 forward I have this feeling that if the galaxy class did have "restaurants" they were more like the replomat on DS9. Mostly, this thinking comes from episodes of TNG where folk comment about how crazy it is when people tell them that they've touched uncooked food with their hands. Or how they emphasise that the food (mostly meats) they eat are resequenced proteins produced by the replicator.

[@borgCube100]

@@depreseo I think they pretty much all had things like a hydroponics bay for the case of fresh produce and the like, and all ships WOULD have had rations to last a good chunk of time. I think it's down to a cost vs benefit situation. You'd have to have a crew trained in not only how to cook, but in food safety and nutrition. It's made infinitely more complex when you add in the diverse species in and outside of the Federation that would serve on-board. Replicator tech in the alpha quadrant is so abundant and perfected that it's much easier to have the crew trained in building replicators from rocks than having to maintain supply lines and chef teams (at least before Voyagers return). Voyager shows that it works easier and more efficiently when you have a crew stranded and not being replaced every 2 seconds. But for the majority of ships it just works better to rely on replicators when you're always around the corner from any starbase/other starfleet ship/Federation friendly planet. From the E onwards, I think there were shakeups on all levels due to Voyager's return - having some level of support service does have it's benefits. Although the Galaxy class WOULD be a different kettle of fish altogether as it's practically a city in space. I do believe that they WOULD have real meat and the like onboard at any given time. Even if they are generally going "out there". But honestly - what would be the difference between a replicated, uncooked slab of meat than that cut from an animal? Then all they have to do is cook it (like with the equipment in TNG season 2 epi 13). Not that it matters as it's a tv show. But it is interesting to think about. Their hubris of thinking they'll always have the ability to create and maintain the tech is fun to reflect on. But until all their tech is gone, and barring cases like Voyager - it really is so much simpler and more efficient to have replicators than gallies.

[@2centschange]

I think the idea was voyager wasn't really meant as a long distance exploration ship, but more task oriented. One of the reasons that, unlike some of the other classes, there weren't families on board voyager. It was basically a step up from the defiant in that regard. This was likely very much intentional, to better sell the 'fish out of water' aspect of the series and why they had to keep retrofitting their ship for various needs as things arose. Hell, their sick bay is tiny compared to others, as an example.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

@@2centschange Pretty sure the families onboard ships went away after Wolf 359

[@davido.1233]

I started to hate Neelix after watching SFDebris' videos over the last few years, but after listening to the Delta Flyers Podcast, I've grown a new respect for Neelix!

[@joyl7842]

an open flame on a spacecraft 😄 Imagine the chaos and disaster if the artificial gravity goes offline while Neelix is preparing dinner for the entire crew

[@RockieOnly]

Ever notice the artificial gravity never goes down on any of the shows though. If only their life support was even a hundredth that reliable.

[@jean-lucpicard5510]

That coffee looked like cold gravy afte 1 day.

[@borgCube100]

Yummers

[@burnzy3210]

re-watching voyager in 2023, neelix is actually my favourite character

[@OhManTFE]

Apart from one or two bad jealousy episodes re Kes with Nelix, he is a great character and I love him especially when paired with Tuvok!

[@timmytheimpaler]

I loved that scene with Neelix in the bath. It gave us the first look into Tuvok's personality. "Can the replicator make a uniform like yours?" "Certainly not."

[@earlofsandwich7884]

I always thought Tuvok was one emotional but will not show it Vulcan.

[@ahapka]

@@earlofsandwich7884 if I remember correctly, it has been stated that Vulcans have more intense emotions than humans. Part of the reason they had to learn to control them.

[@goen5601]

This is like a throwback for the Kitchen in the Enterprise Series, when Earth didn't have the Replicator Technology.

[@Pumpkinshire]

I always wondered why people hated Mr. Neilx I love him. I just realized I am him. That might be why I don’t have very many friends.

[@BlinkinFirefly]

:(

[@subliteral]

Neelix was better when he was written as a slightly rogueish eccentric. I think they did the character a disservice when he started constantly pining over Kes. I thought he had great chemistry as a character with Paris , especially when the two would commiserate over some underhanded plan. For some reason he became a much more bland and uninteresting character as the show went on and it's a shame.

[@thomasbernard8922]

When you don't put your favorites on the replicator

[@AzguardMike]

in hindsight, what was Nelix doing there? Like, he was meant to be trying to find a way to save his 3 year old girlfriend Kes, by salvaging junk?

[@DanielDangerous]

I like to think he had no intention to go back because he had no way to get her back, but when the opportunity arose his first thought was that he could go back and get that hot 3 year idiot that wouldn't know he was a predator. More like a opportunist than a selfless savior

[@10191927]

Controversial hot take here. Janeway should’ve teleported Neelix directly into space after being separated from Tuvix.

[@AzguardMike]

she shouldnt of separated Tuvix. He was a new life form, one of a kind. What she did is technically an act of genocide.

[@a.m.gnovember151]

Nah, Janeway was right about splitting them up. And Neelix was easily one of the best characters in Voy.

[@timonsolus]

@@AzguardMike : A new life form created by annihilating 2 other life forms - whom Janeway had the ability to save. Tuvix did not have the moral right to save his own life by sacrificing the lives of Tuvok and Neelix. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - or the one.

[@Athetos_Admech]

​@@timonsoluseasy fix, either make a copy of tuvix after separating them or make copies of the original two. The transporter dissassembles you so that it can reassemble you in a different location which technically kills you anyway. So it must be temporarily saving the blueprint for how to recreate whatever it destroys. They don't seem to be bothered by the existential issue of being copies so the only moral issue for them would be if an instance of them exists.

[@ericpode6095]

​@@Athetos_AdmechAgree, the transporter managed to make two Rikers by accident. I'm sure if the tried a little harder there wouldn't have been a problem.

[@The_Lost_Subrosian]

Still wondering exactly what Bolian style tomato soup is.

[@nicholasherring1309]

I'd imagine something with a great deal of acidity maybe like a tomato version of battery acid as bolians have a curtilageus tongue so could handle it

[@reginaharrigan7454]

Nelix good character

[@cerethpainting6606]

How did Roga Danar get aboard voyager???????

[@augustcanyon3438]

I never realizeduntil now the actor at the end in the blue uniform was a main character on a TNG episode

[@airliner7478]

When I first saw Nelix, he seemed a little annoying. But time made his character look so much better that it was sad to see him leave Voyager near the last episode of the show. The guy made a great difference on Voyager and befriended pretty much everyone.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

8:22 Watch out, Roga Danar's infiltrating voyager!!!! :(

[@Stinger913]

Any chance you can do DS9 food? Icoberry torte goes so hard

[@earlofsandwich7884]

I've done a few DS9. Which episodes were you thinking of?

[@Geminias]

So... if the captains dining room is a thing... wouldn't voyager have a legitimate mess hall or galley already? Like... the ship was specifically made for long term, deep space exploration. It seems like that purpose would merit a kitchen for the crew.

[@davesecx]

I think just the kitchen area was meant for the captain only. The rest of the mess hall was meant for everyone else. Neelix just knocked down some walls and rerouted some power.

[@EpochDarkleaf]

I though the thumbnail was Mrs. Doubtfire for a moment.

[@2Scribble]

I know that Neelix wasn't *everyones* cup of tea - but I'm glad they softened his character over the course of the series 'cause the pilot version of Neelix is just a fluffy Ferengi and is *way* more annoying :P

[@counttommymarion7319]

Tomato Soup with a piece of aged chedder.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

8:56 If you're Nick Locarno, does that mean your Dad is really Owen Locarno???? :O

[@smof1]

why would the captain need such a huge private dining room anyway?

[@chrisd1746]

Especially on a fairly small ship like Voyager. You give the captain a huge private dining room but there's no crew common area? What were they thinking

[@AzguardMike]

short range science vessel. Wasnt meant for war or long term exploration. So they probably thought "Lets give the captain his or her own dining room. Maybe he or she can host meetings there with senior staff over a meal and drink"

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Its not that big

[@borgCube100]

What? It's practically a cupboard? Neelix's tiny kitchen was it extended INTO the crew common area.

[@safiremorningstar]

In a way neelix provided besides comic relief he also kind of was responsible for saving the ship at least once and for keeping the crew in away together in many ways he was the equivalent of guinan but I think I like neelix better than guianian only because because neelix was always trying to ingratiate himself where is Guyana was kind of like a know-it-all.

[@DarkLexus542]

But on ds9 on the intrepid it's a mess hall lol

[@mygaffer]

It's elk but looks like turkey legs?

[@mygaffer]

Which show is worse, Voyager or Enterprise? Trick question, it's always Discovery.

[@the1tigglet]

This is the only part of the show that made no sense whatsoever, water is literally everywhere in our galaxy, as is diamonds, gold, alcohol, iron, nickel, lithium, antimatter, gold, platinum, plutonium, magnesium, beryllium, aluminum, tritium, Californium (a radioactive material that is used in cancer treatment and to detect explosives and land mines). So there would be no shortage of water because there are literally clouds of water in space easily capturable and purifiable by warp civilizations.

[@QuarkGamingLLC]

sci-fi properties always do away with realism to show something that's actually entertaining. If everything was 100% scientifically accurate and realistic it'd be the same as watching paint dry or going to the zoo only for every animal to be taking a shit all at once.

[@QuarkGamingLLC]

also I've heard theories that water in space might not be the same as water on earth, so maybe it's the same as us not being able to drink or generally use ocean water cuz of the salt. But in the end, it's a plot convinience that's never brought up again, so I doubt any sort of realism was taken into account when writing the episode.

[@develynseether4426]

Entire regions of the universe are detected as being utterly void of anything. Planets, stars, everything. Considering that it's not entirely implausible that a galaxy 100 light years across and 100 billion light years cubed might have sector's void of certain resources. Our own solar system only has 1/10 of all celestial bodies capable of producing water in some fashion.

[@the1tigglet]

there is heavy water in space and likely water that's gone through a distilling process naturally but I tend to think that we'll be able to figure out methods of obtaining plenty of it and making it pure by then@@QuarkGamingLLC

[@AlanGresov]

​@@QuarkGamingLLCit's a three element molecule, how different could it be?

[@gorillazzillathemeh5897]

Neelix isnt the most, OSHA complient.

[@ultrasometimes8908]

Sand scrub wannabee freemen!

[@mrmoralman1]

I prefer Tuvix/Neevok

[@DemocracyDiesInDarkness]

How can they have interstellar travel and not have water? So stupid.

[@checkoutmyyoutubepage]

It’s like being able to sail and not have water.

[@oculosprudentium8486]

Ugh, Netflix They should have shoved both him and Janeway out of the nearest airlock after 3 episodes and shut down Voyager and put it out if it's misery

[@richardm3023]

Thank You...for reminding me about how BAD this show was. Gilligan's Island in space, and Janeway was Gilligan.

[@klovenkane5982]

What ? 😂

[@richardm3023]

@@klovenkane5982 I didn't stutter.

[@klovenkane5982]

@@richardm3023 I didn't say you did, the comment is funny..lol

[@richardm3023]

@@klovenkane5982 think about it. Janeway kept them from getting home every time, just like Gilligan. They had two hot babes on the show. And all the silly guests and adventure with natives.

[@klovenkane5982]

@@richardm3023 I see what you mean. Lol hahaha