Star Wars: Apocrypha - Part 1

[@gabriellucas5864]

"I kind of lost control of Star Wars, so it's going off in a different path than what I intended. But the first six are very much mine and my philosophy." - George Lucas, 2021

[@fundhund62]

The first six are timeless masterpieces. It´s a shame that people like Mike Stoklasa and other self-appointed hardcore fans got it all their way. And ruined it for everybody in the process.

[@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621]

You have 66 likes.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@BK Beatty Nice

[@username45739]

Fanatic fanboy opinion - you seem to like sand?

[@fundhund62]

@pyropulse They already do. Episodes 1-6 are Star Wars, the other stuff is "Disney Star Wars ", which is a completely different thing. It's more like a superhero franchise that has stormtroopers and lightsabers in it for some strange reason.

[@Wackaz]

To this day, the mystery of Nerdonymous has yet to be solved. This man came out of nowhere, dropped three of the best Star Wars videos on KZbin, and over a year later, hasn't returned since...

[@filiperoque1801]

I've watched the Apocrypha videos at least 3-4 times. Easily some of the best SW content I've seen on this site. I just this guy would make more videos, he's really got some talent.

[@gavinmcphie6936]

Seriously. I have no idea how I stunpled across these videos but they're really fkn insightful

[@j.d.cityhill]

@@gavinmcphie6936 So Uncivilized's YT channel (another brilliant SW analyst) references this channel. Very insightful, indeed! The truth comes forth for all who seek 🙌💥💬👁

[@gavinmcphie6936]

@@j.d.cityhill that's how I found him!

[@FMK03]

@@gavinmcphie6936 Apparently not insightful enough to know the EU was indeed canon.

[@VerdantJedi]

WTF!?!!! HOW CAN I NOT HAVE SEEN THIS SOONER!!! THIS IS PURE GOLD AND THE REST OF THE FANDOM NEEDS TO SEE IT!!!!!

[@pocketnunu]

Me too. Heard about it from Steph!

[@ergonautilus]

Someone needs to get Niatoos Dadbeh (Star Wars Theory) or Doomcock (Overlord DVD) to share this.

[@alexhayden219]

Too many of them won't care. The vast majority of "fans" that mock more critical fans as not being real fans are far more interested in just accepting and consuming whatever content they're given. I can't even count the number of times that I've criticized the current direction of things and been told that I should just be happy we're getting things. They don't care if it's good or true or aligns with The Creator's vision. They just like the way it looks and clap when something exists that they recognize. I think Red Letter Media is overly critical of Lucas, but their mocking of nostalgia based fans is dead on.

[@spearfisherman308]

Rom are nostalgia based fans and they wanted Lucas gone.

[@alexhayden219]

@@spearfisherman308 True, but I'm more referring to the Nerd Crew type fans.

[@onemoreminute0543]

So, the way I understand it in conclusion, Ardnt was initially helping Lucas to write the script for the LUCAS sequels. However, after Lucas left the project due to the rejection of his treatments, Ardnt and Abrams were kind of left to duke it out, where Ardnt was working to create compromised story version between Lucas and Abrams, while Abrams wanted to go solely his own way. Abrams came out on top in the end. So you have: - Lucas's vision for the sequels - Ardnt's compromised vision for the sequels that tried to please Lucas and Abrams - Abrams vision for the sequels

[@octavianschaefer7294]

No wonder the writing was such a mess

[@thomasley4006]

„Vision“…?

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@thomasley4006 Sorry: - Lucas's vision for the sequels - Abrams superficial understanding and appreciation of Star Wars for Episode 7

[@histguy101]

​@@onemoreminute0543There was supposedly a moment where Arndt was let go and Abrams went to Lucas's house and asked for his blessing to start over on the script from scratch. Lucas was upset about it and left the project as an advisor, and this happened in late 2013-early 2014. It was at this time that murmurs began about a reboot in the EU community and in April 2014, it was announced that the EU was being rebooted and all ongoing storylines were cancelled and brought to a halt.

[@USSMariner]

​@@histguy101any references for this? I'm sure this could be corroborated thru publishers and writers working on those projects.

[@MasterNoMore]

Well, technically the expanded universe was actually considered as C-canon (continuity canon). There were different tiers of canon back in the day. The movies were G-canon (George Lucas canon), which was the highest tier of canon. G-canon: George's 6 movies T-canon: the clone wars s1-6 C-canon: the entire EU S-canon: some early works and alternate choices in video-games Non-canon: infinities and alternate video game endings.

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Thank you! People now a days think there’s only one canon per franchise. It’s so annoying especially in DBZ fandom

[@justmike3018]

George Lucas' quote from Starlog #337 (August 2005) does appear to contradict the words and function of the Lucasfilm publishing arm: that the EU was canon, and the reason why was because of their efforts to maintain the EU stories within the same universe as G-canon, and then later the T-canon, which threw a wrench into the well-tended C-canon. What George said was true, but I think Nerdonymous' statement should be put into this context of different levels of canon. It isn't simply "G- & T-canon is canon and everything else is non-canon", that diminishes everything done to keep the franchise going in between movies. Captain Fordo's "Truth about the Expanded Universe and the Expanded Universe Movement" video essay makes the best case I've seen for this so far.

[@hanumananky]

Another case of completely misinterpreting what George said entirely out of context. Think of it like this, if you're a parent, and you are friends with other parents, you all have kids, and raising those kids is important, a kid's well being doesn't stop mattering because its from a different family, but because of certain psychological, social, and cultural reasons, its important to differentiate between your kids and their kids. This is what happened with that George quote that everyone throws around like gospel. It has nothing to do with the continuity or the canon or the canon hierarchy, its about responsibility. His kid is the six movie saga, much like the books any author writes is their kid; that differentiation is also made in the canon hierarchy as "G-canon", but the continuity canon (C-canon) of Star Wars is the complete story of Star Wars as is, from 1977 to 2014 (excluding of course the T-canon and Filoniverse content) regardless of any esoteric explanation George makes in an interview about the nature of his personal relationships with his work.

[@Wackaz]

G-canon should be changed to God Tier canon.

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

The word "canon" has several different meanings and the answer to what is canon isn't super-straightforward. The most basic sense of "canon," is simply defined by what are the most important or definitive works, the essential bits, the parts that take precedence. Star Wars known primarily as a film series, so that's naturally always going to put the films at the top, but it will also put the shows there because they should reach a similarly wide audience because they're broadly accessible. George however is the creator, and the first 6 episodic titles are about as close to his vision as you're going to get. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about other stories, people like to quote him as if other stories have no meaning to him, but it's very well known that he was heavily involved in a number of works beyond just those films. Obviously all the novelizations are based on his original scripts, and while they may have different versions of scenes that don't entirely match his vision, scenes absent (which may be deleted scenes in the movies) don't automatically cease to exist in his mind because they aren't on screen. Right after those, there's the book Splinter of the Minds eye, where obviously what he wanted to do next changed since the release of that book, but that book is directly based on his work. The original Marvel Star Wars run, Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, several multimedia projects (Shadows of the Empire, Clone Wars, The Force Unleashed) also had a lot of direct contribution by Lucas, so clearly he had ideas for what he would have done in stories set then and there, and those ideas are probably pretty close to at least some of the elements of what we got in those stories. Even for works Lucas wasn't as directly involved in, he still had rules for what they could and couldn't do, and authors would even go to him to check to make sure what they were doing worked with his vision (happened with elements of New Jedi Order, for instance, yes, the story with the Yuuzhan Vong, though for some reason I suspect Lucas wouldn't have liked those particular villains as they existed). The position of Lucasfilm was ultimately that most of these licensed works were Canon (and I don't think their wording ever explicitly says they've been "decanonized" specifically), and considering Lucas's involvement in a lot of these works, at the very least, writing off every element of them as irrelevant to Star Wars is a little misguided at the minimum. There are also of course, other creators who talked Lucas out of certain decisions, both in the films and in other media (the only instances I can actually think of this happening outside of the films is in the 2008 TCW series, going off of Filoni's word). I'd just say what's "canon" depends on what you mean by "canon," but as most people seem to use it with regard to Star Wars, at one point most of what is now Legends absolutely was, but in normal usage outside of copyright owners stating it from above, pretty much none of it ever really could be, and it wasn't Lucas's primary or realized vision, whatever influence he may have had (which could be a lot sometimes). And given various statements of what Lucas's intent was when making his films, I question the potential for much of any of the EU to actually accomplish a lot of that by nature of the very medium.

[@layla9319]

Something about the way this video was presented made me feel like I was watching the investigation and unravelling of a mysterious government conspiracy. I love it.

[@mac1991seth]

Body language is very contextual, depends on a person and sometimes is more like reading tea leaves. But one of common concepts in body language is the impulse to cover your mouth after telling a lie or something misleading or hiding the truth. It's the body trying to stop the words. Seeing on loop how George Lucas covers his mouth right after saying that JJ Abrams is a great director and a great friend is just priceless.

[@SoUncivilized414]

Woof, I felt the heat from that section starting at 50:00 or so. Good stuff.

[@servus_incognitus]

Thank YOU for sharing this channel. I'm thrilled. You're doing an excellent job as well.

[@KreyProductions]

it's unfortunate we live in a time where reactions to trailers get millions of views and nuanced, well produced deep dives into the film making process go unnoticed. this is a master class of a video, thank you for it.

[@mechadeka]

@joshuamunn2410 Speaking of attention span, perhaps you should read and _comprehend_ the entire comment you're responding to.

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Basically everyone at Disney lies constantly and we will never know the truth of what happened behind the scenes and J.J. is like a floating turd that you can't flush.

[@lumeronswift]

Iger's comments in conversation with Abrams are hilarious... "it's not going to be treated like a Disney movie" - it was almost entirely a stock-standard Disney film. If they had used Lucas's story, they could have at least tried to pin it on him if the films somehow weren't well received.

[@skywalkerorder2170]

Exactly, I would say that The Force Awakens is probably the most Hollywood Star Wars film.

[@sunsetman22]

the secret to understanding corpo talk is to completely disregard it, and assume the opposite.

[@ben_sisko2149]

A lot of OT fanatics don't understand the Force: the balance doesn't mean "2 and 2" because Lucas clearly stablish in many interviews and such (and it's also in the Clone Wars) that the dark side is TWISTING the damn Force to your will. It's kinda like It's like swimming in a river against the current vs using the force of the current to your advantage. Also, yeah, the rage against the midiclorians is absurd. Of course it has to do with biology, Yoda said that. And also, that's how everything is: some people have better disposition for some things. These idiots (and a lot of fanatics) don't understand Star Wars.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

And they don't understand biology, despite believing in pseudoscience like IQ

[@McFrozenNuggets]

*cough cough* idiots like Nostalgia Critic, the three stooges of Sardonicast, Chris Stuckmann, Star Wars Only, Cosmonaut Variety Hour (he's someone who says Yoda in the prequels is character assassination yet Luke in TLJ is perfect), and of course, the biggest instigators of all of this, RedLetterMedia (the idiots that launched an internet hate wagon against George in the early days of KZbin and eventually drove him into selling to Disney).

[@tonyknighton4019]

​@@McFrozenNuggets So THEY were the cause? Idiots They helped destroy Star Wars forever

[@McFrozenNuggets]

@@tonyknighton4019 Yep, they were huge contributors.

[@tonyknighton4019]

@@McFrozenNuggets What was their problem?

[@michaeldriston1513]

I have never seen a more well-researched examination and elucidation of any topic... ever. I don't know what you do for a living, but I really hope you are in journalism, because it would give me some hope for the fourth estate. This, with your rebuttal to the "saved in the edit" video, represents real fact-based, truth-seeking deep dives into the reality of these topics as opposed to emotional hand-wringing that I see in most videos. I can't imagine how long these take to do, but it's very clear that you go into these topics with an open mind and allow the evidence - rather than agenda - inform your conclusions. I love how you skewer both the reactionary fans and those responsible for discarding and destroying Lucas' vision for the sequels. There is no doubt that Lucas' vision - the Whills and so forth - would have upset a lot of fans. People might have been upset about where George took us next, but we still wouldn't want anyone else to finish the story. The amazing excellence of the Clone Wars animated series proves that Lucas is still capable of making amazing, quality Star Wars entertainment. When I was watching Game of Thrones and The Red Wedding occurred, I wanted to throw a brick at my television. I HATED what happened. I was incredibly angry, and I actually wept for the characters that died. That is not what I wanted to happen to them, but even though I hated what happened and missed those characters, I still didn't want some other person besides George R.R. Martin continuing to tell the story. It's his story, those are his characters and I only care about seeing what happens next if he is telling the story. The abysmal way that show concluded just illustrates how important it is to follow the creator's vision and story. The same is true about the Star Wars sequels. I might not like how he tells the rest of the story. The dialog might suck, the acting might not be great, but I only care to see his story. Now, I might wish he gets someone to help with the dialog. I might hope that someone else directs (with his active participation). I might hope he gets really good collaborators. But, I only want to see his version of the story made. It's the only version that matters. It's the one we've all been dying to know since we first saw Return of the Jedi and knew there were three more films coming to finish the story. I don't care what JJ Abrams thinks should happen next, I don't care to see his version or Disney's version. I want the creator of the story to tell me how it ends, and nothing else will suffice. It is his story, those are his characters, he created them and only he can tell us what really happens next. I really hope we get to see that before he dies. I signed the petition and chipped in $10, because I would take a shoddy-made animated film over the garbage we got. I know these videos take a lot of work and a great deal of time, but please give us a deep dive into what the stories might have been. After experiencing your videos and how well-researched and factual they are, I really only care to see a presentation on this by you. It's the only one I would I trust to be accurate. Thank you so much for these videos. The quality is just amazing and incredibly rare in a world gone mad. Thank you!

[@mcintma2]

4 years ago you couldn't imagine how much worse it would get ... :(

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

😆 Yep

[@alexhayden219]

Whether you like JJ or not, there's no denying that he's a liar and nothing he ever says should be accepted without question.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

This is just a general rule of life. Always be a little bit skeptical.

[@alexhayden219]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 true. But he's proven himself a liar many times, so it's less being prudent and more just expecting it from him.

[@hanburgundy4317]

I knew from watching and getting way too invested in LOST - I was one of the few who hated TFA and knew from the minute they started marketing it that George had made a mistake selling.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

"JJ Abrams you're a liar and you will spend eternity on this ship!"

[@morsecode980]

So to summarize: JJ Abrams hijacked the development process once he was hired so he could pretend to be George Lucas in 1976. Meanwhile the rest of Disney covered for him because they needed to get movies out

[@octavianschaefer7294]

It’s actually such a shitty situation because I can’t really see a scenario where Disney could’ve succeeded, without simply letting Lucas remain in control

[@Jiub_SN]

@@octavianschaefer7294and they could've done it. If JJ wasn't hired we'd be in the alternate universe where Lucas' work would be in tact (other than the Disney+ shit)

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

While I think Disney could have succeeded without Lucas being in control, but they at least needed to listen to and deeply consider some of his ideas. Michael Arndt had the correct approach of taking his time to cumulate everyone's inputs and defaulting to Lucas.

[@occam7382]

@@octavianschaefer7294, the only thing that really would've needed to change is that it was made absolutely clear that J.J. was the director of Episode Vll and the director of Episode Vll only, and that he was not allowed to have any input on the story whatsoever. That shoud've been left solely up to Micheal Arndt, Lawrence Kasdan, and George Lucas.

[@mac1991seth]

@@occam7382 He could've as well directed the whole trilogy, so long as his fingers are not in the cookie jar.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

I've been trying to find information like this for years! Thank you sir for putting it all in chronological order. Other KZbinrs like Star Wars Theory should be helping you push this video out because it should be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of views. I'll do what I can to help you get this video out.👍

[@lenircotia]

One of the reasons, I think, Disney and KK did not want teenagers in their version of Star Wars movies is that they could not wait for these teenagers to physically mature between movies shoots. Disney and KK used actors who were already out grown so that a Star Wars movie could be released every two years. George Lucas planed in 3 years between the making of the episodes so that he had enough time to work on qualitative movies and that the actors could show changes in their physical appearance, looking older than in the last movie.

[@billmcdermott9647]

Couldn’t you cast 17 year olds

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@billmcdermott9647 Not quite, a year vs 3 is a very different age gap until you become at least 30.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

But as the video points out, aging them up would be very easy

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Um Solo has teenagers. We have Baby Yoda. Nothing you said makes sense.

[@jandm4ever716]

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891baby yoda is literally a puppppet

[@alcarbo8613]

I love that you labeled the Stars Wars Saga separately from Disney Star Wars, we need to get more people making that important distinction, and more people need to see this eye opening video

[@username45739]

Nur die Originaltrilogie ist die Sternenkriegssage.

[@sonofabookkeeper8382]

I think that momentum is growing.

[@IvanKinkle]

@@username45739 1-3 aren’t bad. The plot lines are solid, it really comes down to dialogue writing and delivery of lines. This is an issue of George Lucas not having the same people or peoples alongside him as he did with 4-6.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@IvanKinkle Not really. It is actually amazing how much of his team he kept from the OT. Ben Burt and John Willimas among others, all returned and delivered some of their best work yet

[@ofidiotabagista5259]

@@IvanKinkle 1-3 are exactly what George wanted them to be. But he didn't want them to be movies we're used to. You should check Rick Worley's "How to watch Star Wars" series. Also the Star Wars Ring Theory essay.

[@zedatkinszed1216]

Abrams and Kurtzman are part of the same generation in Hollywood who have ZERO ideas of their own and don't want anyone else to have any either. Creatively, they are basically Dan Weiss and David Benihoff's older smarter brothers Everything Abrams touches becomes laden with member berries, nostalgia and bad rebooting. The same thing happened in comics with Grant Morrison in the late 1990s. They're all fatuous Gen Xers who need to step the hell away from creative control.

[@servus_incognitus]

That's an interesting take about Grant Morrison. I stopped caring about comics once I graduated from high school more or less, but I thought he was a very beloved author. What makes you say that?

[@zedatkinszed1216]

@@servus_incognitus He's the reboot guy. His nickname at DC was the revamp guy. He took less characters and updated them to be 90s edgy. And he might be beloved by readers who grew up on his stuff. But anyone who has read what came before understands that he's just the bald Scottish JJ Abrams of comics. As to examples - his whole run on Batman. The writing is god awful. Plotholes, lack of a sequence. I mean the black glove was never resolved. Final crisis ... say no more. He rushes past the actual story, past the detail and past the plot.

[@mrZanZibar777]

@@zedatkinszed1216 I don't hate Morrison but I don't really like him either. I definitely agree that he seems to have a distinct lack of interest in the mechanics of storytelling and really just cares about "ideas" and "moments", but your story needs to have, well, a story in order for those ideas and moments to really stand out. His whole idea for the Batman run was brilliant, but the execution of it never resonated with me at all. No pacing, no plot, no room to breathe, things just happen and it's like the reader is getting shuffled along a conveyor belt from "idea" to "idea" and from "moment" to "moment" without anything interesting happening to facilitate that movement.

[@sunsetman22]

@@mrZanZibar777 and now Gunn's new DCU is gonna be taking major inspiration from his stuff lmao

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

​@@zedatkinszed1216 the Batman black glove is great though.

[@paulw6057]

I hate how filmmakers have to take the notion of an 'alternative timeline' literally and make it known 'in universe' that the alternative timelines exist. It's clunky and it just messes with suspension of disbelief. The problem with the Disney trilogy, apart from the obvious, is that it's not a reboot, it's supposed to be a continuation. If somehow the sequel trilogy is miraculously replaced with something closer to what G.L would have wanted, don't try to explain it in-story, just ignore the blasted things.

[@akumaten]

Abrams did this blatantly with his crappy (not) Star Trek movies.

[@SuperMAC464]

Great video! You deserve way more subscribers. I feel bad for Michael Arndt. He was fighting the good fight of keeping real Star Wars alive for so many months against JJ. Must've been exhausting.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

From every interview with Arndt I've seen, he really speaks like the kind of guy who deeply cares about each and every story he has ever written. I think Arndt witnessing Abrams defile his script treatment(s) must have felt like having CPS take his child away from him.

[@legoboy1214studios]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123I loved his video series he made on the writing/storyboarding process of Toy Story 3. Incredibly insightful and shows how much care he and the Pixar team put into even the smallest story beats.

[@fundhund62]

34:57 "What do we desperately want to see?" That´s the root of the sequel trilogy`s problems. How about "what do we have to do to faithfully continue the story of episodes 1-6"?

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

I think the trick is striking a balance of both (with a higher priority placed on the latter)

[@lumeronswift]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 Not really... because what drew us to the first six episodes was not "what we desperately wanted to see". A faithful continuation will NATURALLY contain elements that will fulfil what people desperately want to see - but even better, it will provide things they never expected or imagined.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

@@lumeronswift I could write a really long response, but instead of wasting your time and mine, I'll just say that we have different definitions of "faithful continuation" and we probably agree, but I don't want to go through the tedious process of establishing definitions.

[@drifter402]

It's not 'we' though. It's what marketing people think would make money

[@optimusprime3484]

Jj must have some major dirt on some very powerful people in Hollyweird. I can't believe this guy still gets hired for major franchises, just got reported the other day that he's heading up the next superman movie. The dude seriously sucks at directing movies.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

The answer might be a little bit more _on the nose_ than you think.

[@akumaten]

Add the fact the Steven Spielberg is JJ's godfather, so add nepotism.

[@gplgs4640]

Well, duh. He’s Jewish.

[@drifter402]

Well he is the type to do that. The shoe fits

[@lastjedi-1]

This hour long KZbin video is better planned, researched, written, directed, shot and edited than the entire sequel trilogy. If only you had Disney’s marketing team 😅

[@fantomtheorist5517]

I can understand now why TFA was a rip-off of ANH. They were so desperate to deliver a story ANH was literally their only HOPE! And TLJ being written at the same time! No wonder again why it had zero correlation with TFA when both were being written both separately & simultaneously.

[@SheshadriK-os2du]

not to mention TLJ is a ripoff of ROTS climax with ESB and ROTJ

[@QuickPoker]

Huge props to you for exposing the clowns peddling the anti George narrative. There are so many ppl who owe George an apology. We were robbed as fans because of all the wagon jumpers!

[@VideoSage]

46:30 "not to negate or undo," God I wish Abrams was never allowed to walk upon this earth. The bastard destroyed the entire New Jedi Order, the New Republic, and made Han a defeatist who abandoned his family... He undid everything, EVERYTHING, from the original trilogy.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

Yet people blame Rian for The Last Jedi. Even though it was JJ who put Luke on the island, split up the family and every other stupid idea. Rian has made two movies after TLJ . JJ hasn't made anything since the piece of trash TRoS . Not to mention his big deal with bad robot seems to have gone nowhere.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

BTW I think TLJ is the best out of the new trilogy

[@NobleRaider2747]

​@@JohnSmith-yd5wq I agree, despite not having seen it since it came out in theaters and never seeing the rise of skywalker

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq I think TLJ and TFA are pretty close but got to agree. TFA isn't any better, but TROS is by far the worst. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. A movie about a fetch quest to find a map to a map to a map to Zombie Palpatine's hideout for the dumbest space battle ever. There were moments where I legit thought I was dreaming in the theater

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

@@officialmonarchmusic I agree. Not saying TLJ is Citizen Kane but like this video pointed out JJ WOULDN'T let Johnson reveal certain plot points and he had to work with that

[@aceambling7685]

I cant believe this only has 500 views, truly comprehensive journalism, bravo sir.

[@mpnuorva]

And now, two weeks later, it has over three times that. On a year old video...

[@aceambling7685]

@@mpnuorva gotta love that algorithm.

[@woufff_]

close to 3k views now and rising :)

[@iloveeveryone8611]

This 2-part series is the most in-depth and well written explanation for what went wrong. This video should have hundreds of millions of views

[@RaikenXion]

That's what i love about George Lucas even though he considered the Expanded Universe as "Non-Canon" to his "Skywalker Saga" he still respected all the many creatives that wanted to tell their own stories that expanded on his saga and Galaxy. I consider KOTOR books and games canon and in my own "Head Canon" i like to think ALL my favorite EU characters, such as Kyle Katarn & Jar Ors, Dash Rendar, Kam Solussar and Mara Jade exist and are out there in the Galaxy and at some point after events of the Mandalorian Luke does meet Mara Jade and they end up in a relationship. I don't consider Disney's Sequel Trilogy as "Canon" to anything. I only consider Rogue One and Favreau & Filloni's Star Wars shows as Canon to Lucas's Skywalker Saga.

[@sunsetman22]

the sad part is that the Filoni shows still feature references to the sequel trilogy, such as throwaway mentions to the planets (like Canto Bight) and even that Snoke clone facility that featured in one of the episodes if I'm not mistaken. I think only Rogue One somewhat fits with the old canon, but only slightly.

[@Fullmetalnyuu0]

@@sunsetman22 The bad batch is clearly trying to explain the emperor cloning crap.

[@darthdragonborn1552]

@@Fullmetalnyuu0 And the mando episode that just came out literally had snokes guards in to lmao

[@magma_fire_bagwan]

How you feeling about Filoni SW after Ahsoka?

[@VideoSage]

The creator is always the final say in canon. Disney ignoring George Lucas, while he still lives, infuriates me so much. What ideas would the world had seen, had Frank Herbert lived... And here, the creator still lives, we could see those ideas no matter how strange- yet they are kept from us.

[@kevinquiroz5384]

It would be even more infuriating and insulting if he was dead.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@kevinquiroz5384 Ironically, Lucas opposed colorization of movies for the reason you said, authors were dead and Turner manipulated their work. However Lucas bashers use his quote to discredit the special editions instead of understanding what he meant, that being "leave the creator alone".

[@creed8712]

What we would have gotten seemed to be the plot of Ant-man and the wasp Quantumania

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

I mean he sold it. As much as he owns it he has gotten rid of it. So he doesn’t own it anymore. It sucks. But he’s done with it dude wants to retire he’s an old man. He wants to go do what Luke did in the new movies and go to his ranch and drink his Blue milk. And just chill out and that’s what he intends to do. And it’s over now and nothing we can do to change it the movies have already been made.

[@occam7382]

@@creed8712, why? Because George wanted to explore the Whills via going into a microscopic world? How on Earth is that at all the same as Quantumania?

[@mangotarot6919]

Watch how professionally done this video is. The in depth analysis and the fact this guy disappears off KZbin after dropping these videos. My hunch. This guy is an insider, most likely from Disney and sympathetic to Lucas. Who dropped the vids anonymously to let the truth come out as to how Disney destroyed the Star Wars franchise.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Nerdonymous being a Lucasfilm employee who was there since the prequels is my head canon now.

[@sunsetman22]

I don't know about that. I believe he's just a knowledgeable, intelligent and articulate dude with no ties to either Lucasfilm or Disney, just a passionate fan who knows his stuff :)

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

I thought maybe he was an insider as well but who knows.

[@raptorshinryu]

He's no insider. He was a dude who, like many of us, was torn the fuck up by the death of a franchise that helped make them who they are and needed closure as to why it happened.

[@clairdeloona]

50:22 is really funny bc it just goes to show how my they don’t understand midichlorians, or the force. everyone has the force. padme has the force, han has the force, chewie has the force, every living thing *does* because they are all bound together by it. according to qui gon, life wouldn’t exist with out the force and midichlorians. all these characters have midichlorians, and the midichlorians can communicate the will of the force through them, but only those with enough can tune their mind to hear and understand the will of the force. jedi work with the will of the force, sith make the force work for their own will. the whills feed on the force and communicate their will via the midichlorians. this is the level of understanding i’d expect a sci-fi universe would have of their magic system (and a pretty well-built magic system imo), and it also says a lot abt george lucas’s personal philosophy. the first 6 star wars films explain george’s personal philosophy, not what 11 year old JJ misinterpreted it as.

[@Jared_Wignall]

This is an incredible video. I’m glad I found this now, but I just wish I found it sooner. It lays out so much of what happened leading to Disney owning Lucasfilm and likely happened afterwards that lead George Lucas leaving as a creative consultant in a great way. I can’t wait to watch Part 2.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

It's crazy when you think about when this video came out. With everything that's happened since, this video really has aged like fine wine

[@occam7382]

One thing I don't think Nerdonymous touched on was that George got remarried and had a daughter in the summer of 2013. So it's very likely that that was the reason he left Episode Vll.

[@Textra1]

Lucas is the Alpha and Omega. I don't care what Disney do or say, Lucas created the story. His word is gospel.

[@Knightmessenger]

I love how you covered all the contradictions given in interviews that none of the publications seem eager to point out, even though they would presumably have it at their fingertips. Almost like just going along with whatever narrative their interview subjects want to spin, and not pointing out any issues with their responses..

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Calling out gets you blocked,getting blocked leads to less ad revenue.

[@rodrigomarcondes5857]

This video was humbling to say the least. As a fan i also had the notion that i knew more of Star Wars than George Lucas himself, and after watching this video, i feel like a moronic idiot

[@orlandofurioso7329]

What you said is very honorable, many people still refuse to give Lucas credit.

[@archetypalhero7408]

Why does this video have less than 1000 views? It’s so well done. And my god, the research alone must have taken forever. I hope you make more!

[@jacobp249]

I feel like part of the reason might be the title makes it unclear what the topic of the video will be. If it was something inflammatory like "How JJ hijacked Star Wars" then it would have more views. But I appreciate that the argument is made later in the video and the viewers are given all the info first with the chance to decide for themselves

[@username45739]

@@jacobp249 Jar Jar Abrams DESTROYED

[@pyropulseIXXI]

We should blast this to MauLer or other well known 'critics' that aren't morons and have them push it. It needs to be circulated and well known amongst the legit fans

[@archetypalhero7408]

@@pyropulseIXXI my man!!!

[@GlassGolem]

26:33 Questions... and answers (from reliable sources) Makes me laugh every time! Contradictions every step of the way!

[@justinholl1817]

First to thumbs up! Now somebody needs to thumbs down to bring balance to the ratings...

[@neo6834]

another thing JJ destroyed by making the forces awakens is now every nostalgia cashgrab has copied the same kind of "soft reboot" that tfa made popular

[@weiner_hands-guy914]

I'm surprised this hasn't blown up. I think it will.

[@gaget5455]

Oh I think it’ll get more views one day.

[@geoffstemen3652]

Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen it

[@histguy101]

There are quotes from Lucas supporting either perspective, but Lucasfilm had always been consistent that all "C-Canon" works took place in a single universe, and were absolutely "Canon."

[@histguy101]

@WillFanofMany "G-canon" included the films, novelizations, screenplays, etc. It did not include TCW

[@histguy101]

@WillFanofMany TCW was originally C-canon also, until after season 2 or 3 when it was given its own category. There's all sorts of C-canon works that Lucas was directly and/or heavily involved in that didn't make it into the new canon. There were even "George canon" works(like the novelizations) that are now sold under the legends banner. What was kept and what wasn't kept had nothing to do with Lucas's level of involvement. The decision to reboot everything but the films and TCW wasn't made when Lucas sold to Disney, but almost 2 years later. TCW was kept in the new canon because Dave Filoni wanted it there, and had the say-so to keep it, and was working on new projects that tied into it.

[@BurningBushProductions]

This whole time everyone’s blamed Kathleen Kennedy… but the real Phantom Menace this whole time was Abrams… dang ferrik… we’ve been played.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Kennedy still betrayed Lucas. Lucas trusted her to stop Iger from tossing out his storylines for the sequel trilogy, but she broke that trust and was complacent to JJ's pitch for the mutilation of Star Wars.

[@FMK03]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 I think what nerdonymous says regarding JJ lying about Disney throwing out Lucas' ideas is true. I'd argue Kathy was waiting for an opening to do what she wanted, as it was clear from the get-go that she had an agenda. The opening presented itself in the form of JJ throwing out Lucas' ideas and Disney agreeing to his decisions as writer and director.

[@BurningBushProductions]

@BK Beatty Yeah I think that’s a fair criticism. The only thing that annoys me is when people say “this is good so KK had nothing to do with it” or “this is bad so it’s only KK’s fault!” Truth is she green lights the good and the bad projects alike.

[@dancorneanu9144]

It's less The rule of 2 Sith and more old Republic era Sith order. A bunch of squabling, power hungry, angry mad men leaving devastation as they kill one another.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

You can hate 2 evil things.JJ only got his way because KK let him do it.

[@tripleWRECK]

Your forensic analysis is fascinating, it's a shame that this rare example of proper journalism hasn't gotten the recognition it deserves. There's no question the Disney Trilogy was horrifically mishandled. Star Wars fans deserved a coherent and respectful continuation of the Skywalker saga, hopefully we'll see it realized in some form... bittersweet as that may be.

[@blond_slut]

FeelsBadMan

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

Agreed! About a week ago KZbinr Drunk 3PO dropped a video with breaking news about how there was no plan with the sequel trilogy and I posted a comment that Nerdonymous covered it in detail here over a year ago and posted a link. To this date he's not replied to that post.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

The fans don't deserve anything after what they did to Lucas, the "documentary" people vs George Lucas was my final confirmation that they brought this onto themselves. Disney deserves to collapse as well as JJ, but the fans got what they deserved, they got a rehash from an OT only fan that thought he understood Star Wars better than Lucas, and of course, it sucked.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Honestly, I have to agree. As much as I believe that the Star Wars fandom can be a positive space, I know the truth. I hope those horrible people are happy.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

I like Nym but this is not true Jay used to be nice but he's just another racist moron sucking Jeremy off 1. There were plans. Colin has confirmed his script was ready 2. Don't trust Jay on anything 3. It was NEVER a "skywalker" saga to begin with - Lucas made Anakin and Vader TWO DIFFERENT people - Hamill confirmed this. The skywalker thing is a fan myth @@JohnFourtyTwo

[@isaacdavidnz]

Abrams: There was not mandate from Disney Also Abrams: The mandate was start from scratch WTF

[@USSMariner]

Both can be true, *from a certain point of view* Once you are an employee of a company, especially one of their directors and executive producers, would your mandates not by definition also be those of the company?

[@sofi1518]

It's sad that some Star Wars fans never matured enough to appreciate the prequels, which didn't give them a repeat experience of their childhoods. Whatever flaws they may have, they were still Star Wars movies, just set in a different era, in different planets, and expanded the universe in a way the sequels and shows only wish they could achieve. It's sad we'll never get to see George Lucas's vision on the screens. Lets hope someone will leak Michael Arndt's script one day

[@Fullmetalnyuu0]

I'm glad I was born at the right time to appreciate them both. Not poisoned by nostalgia.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

No,the prequels were bad too.

[@supadead]

@@naamadossantossilva4736L take

[@Feesh322]

Fantastic video. I'm fascinated by how much the development of Star Wars as a franchise and the fandom mirrors the evolution of a religious movement. You have the fundamentalists that only accept the OT, those of the Prequels/New Testament that re-contexualized the events of the OT from the Creator, which are rejected by many of the fundamentalists but enthusiastically embraced by the new generation. And now we have a heretical movement growing out of the Creator's canon now that the Creator/Prophet is out of the picture, and drawing condemnation from the adherents of both the OT and the NT but drawing new adherents of their own, who must now defend themselves against charges of heresy from the traditionalists. Just like any religious/socio-political movement, it's a mess.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

And just like Protestantism, the Disney era divided into many small denominations

[@katakesh8566]

Well Lucas was aiming to being mythology back into the mainstream Only things he did wrong was that he did his job too well and selling his company But I'm glad the fans finally get the saga they want. Some endless nostalgia and self insert characters like Rey and Kylo. They deserve this hell

[@japanesemammal7156]

I think the lesson we can all take away from this is have a fucking plan when you write your stories

[@fundhund62]

The lesson is: Don't make a movie (much less a trilogy) when you don't have a story to tell in the first place. Just making it rebels versus empire all over again was the worst decision possible, and it made abundantly clear from the get-go that nothing means anything.

[@CalmaxFilm]

This is not really what he really teaches us in this part 1. It is rather : do not hand over the torch to someone who does not understand the essence of your work.

[@sunsetman22]

that and don't hire Jar Jar lmao

[@holdingpattern245]

I know that the major studios did resent George for keeping Star Wars away from them and so on, but you'd think when given the opportunity to finally make George work within their system, they would take it instead of trying to prove that they can do Star Wars better than him.

[@raptorshinryu]

This is one of the most important Star Wars videos made in the last decade and it only has 22,000 views. What the fuck.

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

@Stephen O'Brien yup. Unfortunately, defending George Lucas doesn't get nearly as many views as Lucas-bashing.

[@luisbarajas5202]

My god, when you start listing the directors they approached before abrams I just... David Fincher?! Guillermo Del Toro?! Brad Bird?! My heart, it hurts. Fuck dude I even would have taken Matthew Vaughn or Neill Blomkamp over fucking jj binks over here.

[@onemoreminute0543]

Del Toro's take would have been interesting.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@onemoreminute0543 Imagine all the space creatures and funny dialogue he would have come up with

[@sunsetman22]

Neill Blomkamp would've been amazing. and Vaughn, remember X-Men First Class? guy has a knack for nailing reboots. he would've been an excellent choice. Fincher doesn't wanna touch anything sci-fi since Alien 3, so highly unlikely that he would've taken the job. Del Toro would've definitely been interesting. Brad Bird has some great animated films, and his one Mission Impossible flick (a saga in which our esteemed Jar Jar had his first true director job) was incredibly kinetic and fun, but if Tomorrowland is anything to go by, his take may have not been much better than JJ's. maybe much better paced and actually fun, but not exactly 1-6 tier.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I would've loved Matthew Vaughn to direct

[@Silveirias]

What an excellent documentary of the events! This deserves so many views. I recall seeing the interview where JJ spoke of the cantina scene, cringing, and getting a really bad feeling for what we were about to get... I enjoyed TFA on the first viewing, but the more you think about it and the closer you look into things the more obvious it is that it's just a version of ANH, makes little sense as part of the saga, and that the makers of it do not understand Star Wars. I also remember him speaking of Star Trek, saying he's not even a fan. I'm not a Star Trek fan myself, either, but I if had heard a Star Wars director say they aren't even a fan of Star Wars, I would've been insulted. Huge red flag there. That being said, even if JJ is a "fan" of Star Wars, he's most certainly not the kind of fan that should have been given any creative control over Star Wars, since he clearly does not respect George Lucas's canon. Also THANK YOU for that part about the midichlorians. It's so frustrating that people to this day think midichlorians are the Force and thus somehow destroyed it.

[@The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.]

Very good video. You might be the best journalistic youtuber talking about Star Wars. You could have speculated a bit more on why Disney picked JJ and Kenedy scrapped Lucas' script because they're one in the same. They originally wanted to go with Lucas, Kenedy or Disney Executives got anxious that doing whatever Lucas wanted was bringing the same uncertainty of the prequels. The mood in 2013 or so was heavily based on RLM echoing prequel hate that Lucas is an idiot who didn't know anything. And JJ, while originally onboard by being good at rebooting franchises like Star Trek and being a good box office success, voiced his dislike of the prequels and an adherence to the original movie. That could be the catalyst for why Lucas script was scrapped and an argument for it being accepted by Disney Executives since the mood at the time was that prequels bad original movies good. But now, with the sequel movies, people have finally realized that the prequels are good, although people didn't and don't understand the full extent to why they are good movies. Either way, beyond my own addition to your conclusion, this is a great video.

[@myujokt733]

Anyone curious about "My Own Addition" Here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5KaqWiEZ8qJfKc

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Part of it was also the 2015 deadline. Michael Arndt was working his behind off to make Lucas's vision work until basically the bitter end before JJ essentially took full control. It was taking him too long for Disney's taste, but, it was only taking him so long because he was trying to write out a draft for the entire trilogy in one go, and because Kennedy literally didn't lift a finger to vouch for his efforts, despite being the one responsible for bringing Arndt onto the project (facepalm). The pressure from Disney to release a Star Wars movie by 2015 was the perfect leverage for JJ to make them ditch Arndt, ditch Lucas's storylines altogether, and go with his mystery box of a movie, with the promise that treatments would be good enough to go off of for Episodes VIII and IX.

[@RetroCrisis]

Why does this not have a million views?! It's fantastic

[@polyman6859]

27:00 - 30:08 is the biggest fucking red pill I've ever taken.

[@revan1911]

About the bloodlines. Then why the actual fuck did he made Rey to be the descendant of the strongest sith if not Force User in the galaxy? Bloodlines and midichlorians my beautiful ass. Basically what Abrams wanted is the classic shounen protagonist that believes in themselves and their friends can do anything, then I wonder why didn't Kenobi one shot Anakin because he believed, or why didn't Anakin absolutely murder Palpatine because he believed in himself?

[@googiegress]

Or why, if Luke's foster parents could have survived if only they wanted to badly enough, did they get skeletonized? Guess they were just real tired of livin'.

[@googiegress]

@WillFanofMany Was that one of the academy younglings? I'm not obsessed enough to remember every time a kid got lightsabered.

[@XxZmoK3sxX]

This is gold and deserves more views. Great job and I enjoyed it all!

[@SuperJumper40]

This video is shaping up to be a fucking thriller, holy shit. Great, outstanding work.

[@Fullmetalnyuu0]

This video hurts so much to watch, to see the truth of it, or at least an approximation of the truth based on what information we have, but it's so important to understand how it happened. Disney (or really any corporation) never should have been made the steward of such a thing as Star Wars. It's NEVER been a property that would have flourished under corporatism. I give it 10 years before Star Wars largely fades into obscurity because it has become so over-saturated and pointless that nobody has the energy to care about all of it anymore.

[@thaneofwhiterun3562]

This guy is making GOT tier theories about real life. I love this channel

[@samgilley3160]

Wow, this video has already blown me away and I'm only halfway through. My preconceived notions about the development of this trilogy have been challenged for the first time in years. This is absolutely fascinating.

[@szabomate90]

Wow this was one of the best video essay I've seen in this topic, it needs more views! Also I'm not commenting too often , but now I feel I have to say congratulations to you, it was amazing!

[@huoshewu]

Ok. I'm 30 minutes in...I knew it was a juvenile multi-billion dollar creative piss fight between JarJar A and Ruin J, but wow. WOW. Holy, and I can't stress this enough, FUCKING shit. It's not just those two, Disney was lying forwards and backwards, gaslighting THEMSELVES into trying to think this was good and everything was happening 'as planned'. What a friggin' clown world. I'm eager to see a breakdown of Marvel! Keep on keepin' on my Nerdbro!

[@Violaphobia]

Great video! Well edited, well researched, and (maybe most importantly) well delivered. Also, the tickets now DO IT edit was hilarious.

[@onemoreminute0543]

25:43 Or, to use one of my favourite quotes from the Internet Historian: "They didn't necessarily throw him under the bus. It was more of a shove under a mini van".

[@odiadordeisrael]

This channel filled my void left by Rick Worley not uploading Star Wars videos.

[@VibingMeike]

Lol same...

[@servus_incognitus]

The creation of the state of Israel and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

[@odiadordeisrael]

@@servus_incognitus "state"

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Lucas Star Wars is the only legitimate Star Wars.... Disney Star Wars is just expensive fan-fiction without George's approval or blessing.

[@pspublic13]

Honestly, there are much better stories and continuity in the EU, which is just commercial licensed fanfiction anyway.

[@breadordecide]

No.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@breadordecide Compelling argument.

[@breadordecide]

@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE As compelling as yours. If George’s approval or blessing means it would be like the prequels, than quite frankly fuck his blessing. You easily forget fans wanted lucas’ head after the prequels. Remember the movie the people vs george lucas?

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@breadordecide Why would I care what others think? I wasn't one of those fans.

[@Placid_Falcon]

I ultimately blame Mike Stoklasa and his "Plinkett reviews". JJ Abrams was just a cog in his indoctrination plan.

[@xxepic_swag_gamingxx5238]

I really wish you made more videos. The level of research and your ability to tell this story is really captivating

[@o8ee435]

Why would anyone, ANYONE, who watched Lost think J.J. had a plan at any point?

[@TrueLunacy]

They didnt want to explore the Journey of the whills.. even though this part of lore was right there back in 77.. apparently Lucas wanted to bring Maul back..

[@AlexeiX1]

You know what really grinds my gears? When people like Abrams and JJ think it’s such an original concept to make a commonly born Jedi, as opposed to you know, Obi wan Skywalker, Yoda Skywalker, Mace Skywalker, Ahsoka Skywalker and all those Skywalker younglings Anakin killed in rots

[@mariostwald5073]

This such a fantastic piece of work, i`m shocked the video has only 2k views and it`s only 3,5k followers on the channel. Thank you for your time and effort, nerdonymous - i`ll make sure all my surroundings know about it. Can`t wait to investigate more of your work!

[@Ultimaterockmanx135]

While Abrams lied about being unrelated to the decision of turning down Lucas's ideas, I do wonder if he really was lying when he said that Kennedy described it as a white canvas. After all, she proposed the job to him twice.

[@_Bakers_dozen_-ee8yf]

I doubt she described it as a “blank canvas” my theory is that she offered him near total creative freedom

[@подэмерон]

EU universe was amazing, one of the biggest mythologies in pop culture, with amazing games, books, comic books e.t.c And what is the most important George was involved in expanded universe, he was a consultant for all authors, he gave his opinion what they can and what they can't do and they followed it. From a certain point of view both G universe and expanded universe, are Georges universes.

[@BarstoolTeacher]

Someone promoted this out on Monday’s Star Wars Theory’s live show and I’m glad they did. Hopefully you get some traffic.

[@nicholasgremmels9649]

The “we want to make something for the fans” comment is completely and utterly baffling

[@boxcarhobo7017]

I love your channel. I'll get the word out this weekend. We need to get you blown up STAT. Thank you for the content. Stay encouraged and inspired. Beautiful work.

[@zoricgames]

How do you not have AT LEAST 100k subs? This is excellent. Your dry sense of humor is amazing.

[@HoneycuttVideos]

It's incredibly funny that Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy were so adamant about retaining JJ Abrams as director because they wanted to have Episode VII released by May of 2015, and the very first thing Abrams did when he came on board was to be such a pain in the ass for Michael Arndt to work with that it delayed the film's release by seven months.

[@Christian-en6lk]

One of my new favorite videos about Star Wars and one of the few people that understands what makes star wars great

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

JJ Abrams is what you get when a prequel hater gets power over star wars. Thanks prequel haters we have you to blame for this.

[@PurpleColonel]

The prequels still suck hard. You can dislike the prequels and know how to make a good film. JJ just doesn't know how to make a good film.

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

@@PurpleColonel that's the difference, though - something sucking is not the same as you disliking it. The prequels are good films, whether you like them or not.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

@@BlackScreenProductions125 The prequels are bad films, but I like what they represent: They introduced a new era of Star Wars, with its environments, characters, races, and events. The Star Wars "prequels" are more than the movies themselves.

[@StationaryBeggar]

Even in the wake of horrible modern star wars the prequels were and continue to be bad movies. Just awful awkward trash.

[@R1ck_Ryder]

@@FindecanorNotGmail lmao it's hilarious how you people keep repeating the same lies to yourselves like you're in a cult. It's pathetic, it makes you seem like you're trying to convince yourself

[@turdwallet8840]

To make a connection with what you’re saying here 50:30 It’s baffling how a similar hijacking of the Halo series happened underneath the heads of 343 industries. Someone (Frank O’Connor) who thought they knew better than the original creators of Halo was given the keys to the halo castle. He then, similar to JJ, proceeded to inject his own ideas and understanding of the halo universe into everything; books, games, etc. This isn’t necessarily bad because it’s different, but because it clashes with that was created before. Almost everything about the original stories created during the bungie era have been retroactively rewritten. Not just through the games, but it’s done in a similar way to what you’re showing us here. Lots of interviews and quotes by 343 muddying the water. Making inconsistent and flat out false remarks. Either to discredit the original creators, plant seeds of doubt in our original understanding of the world or even point the blame at someone else.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Came back to this after Trey and Matt from South Park clearly blamed the wrong people for the sequel trilogy

[@gat2asp919]

Hit it right on the head. The only person that told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth was Mark.

[@geek8555]

53:02 this really sums up people like jj abrams, rlm, and other OT fanatics as a whole.

[@hiddlesubblubites5116]

Dude, what an underrated channel on youtube

[@TheBebuchis]

This is an oddly deeper and darker story than it looked like at first glance before this video

[@ShawHortonMusic]

Honestly, I use to let JJ off the hook for a number of things regarding the sequels, but this video has made me accept what I already knew, that JJ was directly involved in the discarding of Lucas’ sequel storyline. JJ is a known prequel hater and OT purist, and I knew that he had no intentions of directing a Lucas-written story, but I didn’t want to accept it. Disney has made good Star Wars content (Rogue One, Solo, and The Mandalorian are all good imo, basically the stuff that isn’t the sequel trilogy), so it IS possible, and JJ wasn’t involved in those so it makes sense. He is a very talented director, but I really wish Lucas had been allowed creative input on the trilogy and that JJ could have collaborated with Lucas, helping bring to life his version of the sequels. The whole ordeal is just kinda sad, but it’s fun to speculate about what could have been (although “what could’ve been” being “what was” would have been much more fun).

[@billmcdermott9647]

I don’t think jj is an OT because he doesn’t like return of Jedi and apparently doesn’t approve of Vader’s redemption

[@ShawHortonMusic]

@@billmcdermott9647 So JJ’s more of Star Wars (1977) purist? Maybe he likes Empire too but the original film is obviously his favorite (he’s even said as much).

[@billmcdermott9647]

@@ShawHortonMusic agreed

[@northwestpassage6234]

Really? Solo is probably weaker and a worse movie than the force awakens. I haven’t seen the mandalorian but I’ve also heard it’s rather inconsistent in episode quality.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@ShawHortonMusic Abrams is specifically one of the fans who thinks that the 'only' good Star Wars movies were ANH and Empire, and that everything from ROTJ onwards was subpar. It's easy to forget that ROTJ was generally looked down upon as the weakest of the OT for stuff like the Ewoks, and for some was the beginning of the end for 'good' Star Wars storytelling. The typical 'bad' third movie in a trilogy. However, ROTJ's reputation has absolutely skyrocketed in recent years, I'd argue in part due to newcomers liking how the prequels add even more emotional weight to the events of that film.

[@dragonphoreal]

Brad Bird's Star Wars Episode 7 sounds like a rather appealing alternate reality.

[@RealNameDre]

This covers so much that I was not aware of. Truly an informative essay that is top notch!

[@marialau5451]

Nicely done. Thank you for the wealth of information! I hate these fan films Disney made. They will NEVER be cannon

[@fundhund62]

There is Star Wars, which doesn't exist anymore in terms of new content. And there is Disney Star Wars. The two don't have much in common

[@returnedspectator6512]

Great work keep it up!

[@D.Pensak]

IMPRESSIVE! Most Impressive!!!

[@RickRacket]

Man, your channel has come up a lot recently on Star Wars Theory and Mauler. I’ve commented with this before, and I’ll say it again here, I really hope you come back at some point. Your perspective on the current state of Star Wars would be very welcome. You honestly made 3 of the best videos ever on Star Wars. This Apocrypha series in particular is criminally underrated.

[@korakys]

Despite knowing that as soon as JJ was brought on that it was going to be shit due to his inability to write anything good, ever, I still bought that lie about the executives giving him a blank slate rather than him extorting it. I put more blame on Kennedey than I should have.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Kennedy still betrayed Lucas. Lucas trusted her to stop Iger from throwing out his storylines for the sequel trilogy, but she broke that trust and was complacent to JJ's pitch for the mutilation of Star Wars.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

​@@youtubeviolatedme7123 you really think that KK had more power and influence over the CEO , the HEAD of Disney?

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

@@JohnSmith-yd5wq That's not what I said. I'm trying to remind anyone who comes across the comment written by korakys that even though Kathleen Kennedy is not solely responsible for the Disney Trilogy, she shouldn't be absolved of blame. I hold the same nuanced opinion as korakys that the Disney Trilogy was a culmination of multiple people failing to do their jobs properly, and I don't want other people misinterpreting a divestment of blame away from KK means that she's blameless. And if by any chance you believe that Bob Iger is solely responsible for the Disney Trilogy, I should remind you that most leaders delegate power.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 blameless no. Did she have the final word, no.

[@f-zilla7347]

Loved the video, but heavily disagree with the opening statement that the Old EU was “non-canon”. You seemed to have taken Lucas’ quote at face-value and not looked any deeper than that. Here is some evidence that debunks your claim: • ⁠He consulted with James Luceno when he was writing Darth Plagueis to make sure it told the story he wanted told. He had him report directly to head guy Hoffman instead of the usual editorial staff. •⁠The Dark Horse comics writers sent him a checklist of options to understand the Jedi better. He told them what the Jedi/Sith could and could not do. • ⁠He was directly behind Shadows of the Empire, the underworld angle was his idea. • ⁠He was directly involved with The Force Unleashed project. • ⁠It was his decision in planning the New Jedi Order books to let them kill a main character and which one. • ⁠It was his decision that decided which of the 3 children of Han and Leia would be the hero of New Jedi Order, and which would die, based on what he thought was too similar to the Prequel story he was telling at the same time. • ⁠It was his decision to go ahead and retain Coruscant as the capital world in the prequels, as it had already been established in books. • ⁠It was his decision to take the comic book character Aayla Secura and add her into Attack of the Clones • ⁠He was the one who decided to hire Timothy Zahn on the continuation of the after Return of the Jedi era. Certain elements were denied as they would impact on stories that would be told in the prequels, including making Noghri the actual Sith (as Vader was Lord of the Sith) and C’baoth’s clone which would originally have been a clone of Obi-Wan. • ⁠He actually suggested Terry Brooks include Expanded Universe material such as from Tales of the Jedi in the novelization of the Phantom Menace. Yeah, so… Lucas was definitely involved in the Old EU and was conscious of it not contradicting his films but also making sure that the films had some references to the EU. He wouldn’t have done any of that if he never considered the EU any level of canon. But regardless of that, I doubt that a lot of the EU post-RoTJ wouldn’t have been at least relegated to an alternate timeline if George decided to produce the Sequels himself. All that said, this is still an amazing video. The true Episode VII-XI is what George Lucas wanted, and it’s the only version I’m interested in seeing in any form, perhaps in a book trilogy one day…

[@polyman6859]

Holy shit, thank you for this breakdown. This needs more likes and possibly a pin.

[@kryptonicification]

Freddie Prinze Jr. understands Star Wars more than just about anyone other than Filoni. Saying those words is just odd.

[@Сайтамен]

No he doesn't. He defends TLJ and says that Scooby-Doo should be shown in schools.

[@NobleRaider2747]

​@@Сайтамен tlj is the best of the sequels