Why the Star Wars Reviews by RedLetterMedia, Chris Stuckmann etc. are Wrong About Everything

This is the section of my longer video essay devoted to a rebuttal of all the nonsense in the very popular reviews trashing the Star Wars prequels by people like RedLetterMedia, Chris Stuckmann, and videos by other people like Patrick Willems who don't know what they're talking about. You can watch the whole video at: • How to Watch Star Wars...
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[@voiceofreason467]

I find it very interesting that people will watch this video and come away with the impression that the creator said something he didn't say ("The movies are qouting other movies, therefore the movie is good" or "the esoteric knowledge of film makss the movies good") all in an effort to write off what Rick here is saying. It really does demonstrate his point about how people who hate on these movies are doing so from a lens of film illiteracy or just outright irrational and so refuse to understand what is being said.

[@holdingpattern245]

There are a ton of comments here that interpret this video as "everyone needs to study more film history," instead of "people who pretend to have a deep understanding of film need to study more film history." Tarantino and Lucas don't borrow scenes from other movies to flex their cinema knowledge, they're trying to create a specific visceral effect in the audience that even a small child or an idiot could understand, and that is the actual purpose of studying cinema.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Thank you

[@Ryan-Petre]

Exactly. It's about tapping into the collective unconscious. Trying to make it so that as the audience absorbs the film's imagery, that they are then able to subconsciously relate it to dozens or hundreds of other images they've seen before.

[@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546]

Someone With Brain.

[@yospidey0078]

I decided to rewatch this video and going down to the comments is disappointing since everyone misinterprets the video entirely. Thank you for actually watching the video was saying, you earned a subscription.

[@nathancatalano2480]

He literally says this in the most clear way possible at 26:48 and people are still misinterpreting his main point. It's mind boggling

[@bobert3335]

I think the key issue is the "I wouldn't have done it this way, therefore the director is dumb" mentality. You can disagree with how something was done while still understanding the motivations.

[@lusotuber]

But they don't even understand the motives. Nor do they try.

[@WisdomThumbs]

...Stuckmann actually criticized Lucas’ use of the 180 Rule, left-to-right legibility, and stadium racing experiences? Then wondered why he never noticed before?? The heck???

[@robertlauncher]

Basic shot continuity, what?

[@emoxvx]

Bruh, legit the 180º rule was one of the first things I learned in Film class. 💀💀💀

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@emoxvx I don’t even engage in film discussion and I knew about it.

[@nosfonader8792]

"HIW DO YOU MAKE MORE OF YOUR KIND?!" Please tell me that was trolling. How does Stuckman not get Jedi go out into the universe to find Force sensitives?!

[@Stratmanable]

Because it doesn't matter, unless you're a Star Wars fan, and by that I mean an overgrown adolescent. The only two Star Wars films that are any good are the 1977 film and the Empire Strikes Back, and Empire is where we start to see the seeds planted for the law of diminishing returns exemplified in the rest of the horseshit that would follow. Star Wars fans treat this dreck like it's holy writ, which only serves to make them whiny and pathetic.

[@MalachiCo0]

​@@Stratmanable This is the most mentally dilapidated comment I've ever read, and I frequent both Star Wars and Political videos.

[@Stratmanable]

@@MalachiCo0 Your opinion is noted. Meaningless, but noted.

[@MalachiCo0]

@@Stratmanable Eh, I wouldn't expect someone that likes huffing their own farts like a crackhead likes to huff a fat rail of coke to have enough introspection to figure out why someone would perceive their statements as being lacking intelligence.

[@evanmil0minefly]

​​@@Stratmanable - says a horrible take - doesn't elaborate

[@Onezy05]

These comments from the seething RLM fanboys are hilarious. Looks like someone struck a nerve. ☕

[@Lone432345]

Well at least RLM has Fanboy. What dose Rick have.

[@Onezy05]

@@Lone432345 You obviously missed the amount of subscribers he has - though then again, are we really going to make an appeal to the majority? lol

[@censheard7019]

Even without research. The phantom menace is so obviously a reference to palpatine in episode 1 💀 how were people confused by this?

[@jakkuhl6223]

I think it's because the prequels are about subversive evil rather than overt like in the originals. It's why subversives are so dangerous IRL; they hope not to be noticed as an enemy until they already control the organisation of their targets. It comes down to it being harder to spot, and we live in a culture where noticing hostile subversives is shunned as conspiracy theory. So it's surprise to me that folks would miss it entirely.

[@OnTheEdgex23]

Because it’s a stupid title compared to the other three movies which had obvious ones. Even the the sequel movies and other prequel had obvious titles

[@LeftTownMedia]

Critics claim that Lucas had complete creative control over the prequels, but they don't mention that the director allowed the actors to improvise. Some of the actors improvised lines and movements and even convinced Lucas to keep them in the film.

[@katakesh8566]

A lot of the comment here are clearly RLM fans who were to scared to watch the longer video and it shows Its not just about the rhyming of scenes and their meaning; its about what the director is trying to illustrate Failing to understand the "why", the motivations only does a disservice to you. Complaints arent criticism

[@jerrysnail9267]

Exactly, it's funny reading these pseudo-intellectuals explaining how hard it is for them to understand simple concepts made for kids...

[@Chuck_EL]

​​​​@@jerrysnail9267 On a subreddit I pointed out how flawed RLM was and pointed out what Rick did here and how much shills like CinemaSins , RLM and their fandoms ruined the movie critic genre and now everyone thinks something that bothered them in a movie (not the plot btw) is now considered actual movie criticism And someone who kept defending RLM decided to write a near 5 paragraph slandering me and calling me names to the point I just blocked this person But yeah according to that person "RLM made some valid points and I don't understand why we can't have a civil conversation" It reminded me of TheBir3man and a channel called madvocate and their fans made videos just resorted to insulting him and outright lying about his critics on CinemaSins videos including one who made a near two hour video just insulting him and shilling for both madvocate and CinemaSins throughout That's who dominates the movie critic world now these unhinged shills

[@NEAZ24]

"Scared to watch." I love some of the bros. on social media.

[@davidanderson4748]

It doesn’t explain the idiotic scripting, the contradicting of the other films, the horrible acting, the awful dialog, and Palpatine’s plan that is so convoluted it only makes sense to the mentally challenged and those will to hand wave everything away as “the force.”

[@katakesh8566]

​@@davidanderson4748you want conventional media; that's fine. But that's not what the artist made. And instead of judging the thing that exists for what it is. You complain it's not the same as the "original" You're mad that an apple isnt an orange. That's a skill issue on your end and your intellectual kin Sorry it wasnt a repeat of the 80s . But hey I assume Episode 7 was more your speed Also saying a thing is bad doesnt make it so. Assuming you judge film objectively, what about the prequels are bad. And avoid use of subjective language

[@billyj.causeyvideoguy7361]

Controversial opinion: the prequels and the original trilogy are about the same in terms of storytelling quality. The real issue is the time and place for the OT being groundbreaking while the prequels released at a time when cynicism was the cultural norm. The movies aren’t bad. Neil breen is bad. But they didn’t awe in the same way because of how much harder to impress audiences were (and are now).

[@zoetropeguardian]

I mostly agree with this. I think the quality is equal in both trilogies. Timing really is everything in art but where I disagree is that I would say the Prequels did capture that same awe in the kids they were intended for. Just like how the Originals were for that generation of kids. It's more I find the kids who grew up and like you pointed out had become accustomed to the cultural norms of cynicism and many movies over the years since the Original Trilogy that they lost some of that wonder. They forgot what that feeling of awe and new feels like that George carefully crafts into his work. Kids didn't have a comparison as this was pre-internet being a big deal and streaming wasn't a thing yet. At most we went to the video store or an occasional movie on the big screen like to see The Iron Giant, Scooby-Doo, Spider-Man, Harry Potter, Toy Story, and quite a few others like it. These stories were quite uplifting compared to others in that timeframe the kids who grew up would be watching comparably speaking.

[@patrickholt8782]

Yeah that was right at the peak of “reality bites”

[@damiantirado9616]

lol if you genuinely think that the prequels are just as good as the OT you proof you don’t know shit about movies

[@Dram1984]

People who drone on about the Dunning-Kruger effect are typically perfect examples of it.

[@warlordofbritannia]

Look at this dude’s catalogue-he has NINE videos defending groomer Woody Allen.

[@Dram1984]

@@warlordofbritannia “I’m going to take a short break from defending pedos to tell you all why the prequels are good actually”

[@jesusnthedaisychain]

10 years ago, I had never heard of it. Now, everybody is an expert on it. It's a pretty good joke that makes me chuckle.

[@mattjindrak]

@@jesusnthedaisychain that's like everyone saying the word "content" now. Nobody ever used that word before KZbin and Twitch. I'd only ever see it when a videogame would say "saving content". Now I hear it 50 times a fucking day.

[@Apolita1987]

@@warlordofbritannia Yup. J. K. Rowling too. The guy clearly views it as his mission to defend these poor multi-millionaire auteurs from their internet critics using strawmen and bad faith arguments. The fact that he regurgitates the worst anti-trans propaganda while never acknowledging the fact that the "news" sources he quotes are by anti-trans grifters seems merely an extension of this close-minded authority worship.

[@coopmurphy9216]

The problem here is that you can point all the references and homages the prequels made to other pieces of cinema, but it doesn't make the factory scene in Clones feel any less like something out of a fucking Looney Tunes cartoon. Who cares what its referencing if the action falls flat and we're not invested in the characters?

[@matthias6933]

but dude if it's a reference, you can pat yourself on the back for how film literate you are just for recognizing the reference. Also not picking up some esoteric homages, that nobody cares about, makes these haters wrong for criticizing a bunch of films that are ultimately bland, have bad acting and are filled with effects that aged like milk /s

[@nmdubstudios6850]

No no, did you not hear what he said? It was actually taking down ALL OF CAPITALISM. It was a bold statement meant to push us closer to the revolution. Lucas is a comrade and an ally!

[@jofipa9953]

I think the idea of the video was more a comment on the online reviewers than actually defending the star Wars prequels, but yeah i came out of this video with the same take: referencing better movies does not automatically makes yours any better. I can excuse RLM cause their video is decades old, and i do agree most of the humor and gags in it has aged terrible, but Chris stuckman is just a failure as a film critic, like he is so pretentious and will say the stupidest things acting all mighty about it...

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

True. Tommy Wiseau tried to reference James Dean in The Room but that doesn’t make the movie any better. That’s not to say Lucas is as bad as Wiseau but references doesn’t make much of a difference.

[@charlesjenkins2090]

We're not invested in the characters? The action falls flat? I mean I remember very much watching them when they came out and it was one of the most visually striking scenes I had scene in my life and left a lasting impression. And the theater reacted in a way that suggests to me they felt similarly. Honestly this feels like a post ex facto loss of investment over time being treated as if its something objective.

[@arthandle2206]

RLM fans when Mike shits on George Lucas for a decade plus: haha yes this is excellent Rick Worley when he lightly criticizes RLM: wtf my friend simulator is under attack oh no no no this can’t be happening oh god oh fuck The lack of irony is astounding lol

[@thesentinel5523]

This ^

[@NJTCOMET]

What did people want the Phantom Menace to be called? It’s the perfect title for a film about Palpatine setting up his grand plan creating civil unrest to win an election while never being fully revealed. Hence the “PHANTOM” part and the “MENACE” part. What would have been better title? “Shadow Spooky Person Planning Things”, or maybe “Scary Guy Making Trouble?” The Phantom Menace is a elegant title the reflects the films plot.

[@skarloeythomas5172]

Haha I really want Scary Guy Making Trouble now. Perfect Robot Chicken name.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

Yep, not really a deep title it's pretty freaking straight forward.

[@DemonicRemption]

@NJTCOMET It's sad for me that at 10 years old I thought "Phantom Menace" sounded cool in an eerie and ominous sort of way. And I didn't get why until I thought out it a few years ago.(I was like 29, or maybe 31 when it clicked, I'm 34.) And yet this alluded OT fanboys because they wanted a repeat of what the OT was.

[@marcuseleazer3058]

The Phantom menace is like phantom of the opera or phantom itself and word itself is in other film , book.

[@cdr0]

@@DemonicRemption I think that's the prequel in a nutshell. When you're 10, you watch it because it's cool, and when you're an adult, you understand the political metaphors and it's depth

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

Stuckmann's "If Jedi are forbidden to love how do they procreate?" thing actually hurts. Like where is he even coming from with it? It's his confidence in the argument too, as with all his "criticisms," acting as if the writers are complete idiots and he's the big brain critic who's found this big glaring plothole... You know, as if Episode I wasn't largely about a new Jedi child being found and recruited...

[@Chronz]

I'm beginning to think my hatred of the prequels was entirely a result of them not living up to the hype and their lore. But they're not as awful as we all shouted back then

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

@@Chronz I totally admit to going through a phase in my teens of hating the prequels because it was just cool to do so. I always loved them as a kid, then as I got older, discovered the internet, and learned that everybody hated them and why, I suddenly seemed to forget everything I enjoyed about them and started nitpicking them and refusing to watch them. Thankfully my thinking got more independent as I grew up. I watched them only a few years ago and what do you know, I loved them. Sure I recognise their flaws now, but those are far outweighed by what I love about them.

[@adamjenson9369]

@@gungaloscrungalo8925 Some people have this odd logic that goes along the lines of "The prequels are not as good as the OT, therefore they are bad". As opposed to the logic "The prequels are good, just not as good as the OT". The latter seems to be much more reasonable then the former.

[@occam7382]

@@adamjenson9369, exactly. And that's how I think of something like Star Wars Rebels compared to The Clone Wars. Is Rebels as great as The Clone Wars? No, of course not, but that doesn't mean Rebels isn't good. It's just not as good as The Clone Wars, and that's fine.

[@Chuck_EL]

He also complained about Obi-Wan saying "I don't remember owning a Droid.. interesting" First , he didn't "own" R2D2 Anakin did , so he wasn't lying Second, its a foreshadowing of Obi-Wan's "Point of view " mindset out of fear of Luke becoming Vader Third, it also adds to Obi-Wan's "Old hermit Ben" characterization throughout the OT aka the wandering nomad

[@righteousindifference3179]

*writes title unironically* *presses publish on this video.* Seriously. What is this argument even aside from a cherry picked piss contest? BUT STUCKMAN MISSED THE HEAD FLY OUT OF THE HELMET! WHY DIDN'T RLM TALK MORE ABOUT THE ODESSA STEPS! I'VE SAW THAT MOVIE! I'M AN EXPERT! Like, the definition of madness.

[@sameash3153]

You're just being defensive.

[@TheSharkIsWorking_23]

Think his prequel videos are bad? Watch his review of Citizen Kane. He calls the movie slow, boring, not appealing to modern audiences, but because CK is consider to be one of the greatest films he gives it an A+, which did not feel like his real rating. He’s a hack and sell out who knows very little about filmmaking and movies.

[@remyvegamedia]

Your videos have opened my eyes to so much more about the "theory" behind filmmaking and it has been some of the most valuable info on cinema I've seen thus far. I'm a Star Wars fan, but I'm a musician and music teacher by trade. The parallels to compositional principles and music theory concepts are mindblowing in these videos. I feel similarly about music criticism. The importance of maintaining a knowledge of the intricacies of any craft can't be overstated, yet it seems like, currently, people are discouraged from gaining legitimate knowledge on these subjects. Great work.

[@MultiCoolmovies]

I do like how people act like George Lucas knows nothing about filmmaking when a movie he made in college was put in the National Film Registry.

[@HieronymousLex]

First off, that doesn’t mean anything. Second off, RLM and Stuckman are fans of the original trilogy, directed by George Lucas. So where did they say that he knows nothing about filmmaking?

[@MultiCoolmovies]

@@HieronymousLex RLM in particular goes on about how George got too much credit for the OT and that the good parts of the OT were other people's ideas. RLM believed the opening shot of ANH was something George would have fought against putting in the movie. I also find it interesting how you don't think a movie being preserved for being culturally and historically significant means anything.

[@MultiCoolmovies]

@xn0 Red Tails wasn't his movie though. He only directed the reshoots.

[@MultiCoolmovies]

@xn0 You're looking at it from the perspective that George made the film worse. Red Tails was Hemmingway's first feature film and he mainly worked in TV. We have no idea what needed to be reshot. Also Lucasfilm clarified that the claim George wasn't pleased with what Hemmingway had done was inaccurate.

[@cuck1ngfunt]

@@MultiCoolmovies The Mr Plinkett reviews are comedy. There’s quite a lot of good and real film analysis in them, but they’re not representative of what “RLM believed.” Go to half in the bag or re-view for that.

[@PoL860]

Basically people in these comments: "I don't care what Picasso tries to convey with his cubism. 'Crying Boy' or 'Gypsy Girl' is much better art, as that's at least something I can enjoy." And that's why Marvel movies are the most popular and "bestest movies evvar!" to the same crowd.

[@alonsomory2356]

I always thought the good “kids” movies or shows, are the ones that are actually for all ages. Then when you grow up you start noticing more and more subtle stuff.

[@geoffstemen3652]

This is exactly what is good about Star Wars.

[@Gundamguy-py3ir]

That's exactly what real children's media is. The problem is people brush it aside because it's "kids" stuff.

[@theriderofrohan5639]

Its so weird people think its some kind of insult or downgrade to say its for kids. 9yr olds can handle ROTS. People act like some violence, politics and meaningful themes contradicts this. Star Wars is for kids but can be enjoyed by everything.

[@VibingMeike]

@@theriderofrohan5639 It's funny that there even is a little scene in AOTC that highlights that George Lucas values the mind of a child, 'truly wonderful the mind of a child is', that scene. How someone could miss that...

[@WoahLookAtThatFreak]

Those are called family movies.

[@TheRadude]

Why so many dislikes. This guy shows how phony and fake these "critics" of the star wars prequels are

[@MrZackavelli]

Most likely, a forum of prequel haters were directed to this vid and just immediately hit the dislike button and then closed the tab

[@stuff2667]

This video isn't disliked because he likes the prequels, it is disliked because his arguments are trash.

[@liorbur]

@@stuff2667 exactly

[@ringe1008]

@@stuff2667 the argument are more logical than the so called "critics" of RLM and chris struckmann

[@stuff2667]

@@ringe1008 He just nitpicks random things from their reviews and repeats the same thing over and over again. Whereas at least RLMs review is very well structured and reasonable.

[@malakai9738]

NoW ThEsE ArE eYeS ThAT AnAlYsE MoVies

[@theriderofrohan5639]

I will never cringe more than when I heard him say that

[@VibingMeike]

@@theriderofrohan5639 I've heard even worse things: 'Star Wars should be simple.' 'Why is the Republic trading with the Republic?!' 'Padmé doesn't matter.' 'You can skip Attack of the Clones and nothing changes.'

[@fundhund62]

@@VibingMeike Did Chris Stuckman say that?

[@VibingMeike]

@@fundhund62 No, Cosmonaut Variety Hour said 'Star Wars should be simple' and the third thing. Confused Matthew said the second thing, and Nostalgia Critic said the last thing. But take my comment with a grain of salt, because I didn't include context as to why they said that.

[@fundhund62]

@@VibingMeike They will basically say whatever allows them to hate these movies. Take the weird fact that they praise every deleted scene out there (including Anakin and Padme at her parents home!!), and claim they would have made the films so much better. Or The Clone Wars show! How can anybody enjoy this and not love the prequels? It's literally the same thing, including trade blockades, senate meetings and old-fashioned romance. Or the infamous "blonde kid".. who blurted out his lines without accentuation, but "would have been the perfect choice as Anakin". The list goes on and on.

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

I may have just been a weird kid but I was never bored by the senate scenes. In fact I think they are actually what sparked my interest in real life politics.

[@thewkovacs316]

Wow,that's sad

[@anthonytitone]

Agreed, I was always into high concepts like politics & philosophy as a kid but George Lucas made politics epic in the Star Wars prequels.

[@JoesGuy]

@@thewkovacs316 How so?

[@zurich5607]

@@anthonytitone I don’t recall being bored by them either. I actually recall regarding the whole sequel trilogy as boring as a kid and much preferred the action of the prequels. Appreciating the sequels came with age

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@zurich5607 We call the the OT (Original Trilogy) I'm kind of conflicted on the politics point though. I just didn't pay it any mind as a kid and waited for the characters I do care about to come back on screen. I think scenes like that in movies are for the adults, and they put them in so the kids don't get bored, so they make it all interesting to look at, like how the senate's chairs are like little ships (that's how I saw it as a kid, lol)

[@johncorr7154]

That ridiculous chris stuckmann comment on podracing made me severely confused on how that video has like 1.5 million views. Thank god you talked about it.

[@MortiferV]

the problem isn’t the views. it’s the reception.

[@johncorr7154]

@@MortiferV True. That's in the spirit of what I meant, but at the same time the fact that so many people tuned in for Chris's then-lack of understanding of a basic filmmaker skill is also irritating.

[@ppjeje929]

@@johncorr7154 I’m no film maker but it didn’t look right when I watched it I dunno maybe I’m just fucking insane

[@Ruylopez778]

I wonder if he even realised it was referencing Grand Prix and Ben Hur? It's funny that people complain things are 'unoriginal' or a 'rip off' because they see the connection, but don't criticise the shot selection in the movies Lucas is referencing.

[@DeviantDork]

Spielberg did the podracing scene

[@GeorgePerakis]

This comment section is stupid. Look, just because you're bad at watching movies doesn't mean Lucas is bad at making them. And anyone who wants to sit there and tell me that Revenge of the Sith is a bad movie because they didn't like the way Hayden delivered some of his dialogue can get bent.

[@Lone432345]

Do if you have to explain why a movie is good. Then it probably isn't that good.

[@tomnorton4277]

@@Lone432345 That's a pathetically simplistic, naive and stupid way of looking at things. Good movies sometimes aren't appreciated when they first come out. Some of the greatest movies of all time such as The Shining were considered trash because people as brainless as you had no idea what they were talking about when they complained about them.

[@TheMovieDoctorful]

@@tomnorton4277 not to mention American Werewolf in London, John Carpenter's The Thing, The Blair Witch Project. Tons of classics.

[@FollowerOfChrist144]

Nothing better than going to the comments and reading a bunch of morons completely ignoring every well researched response to ignorant prequel haters….internets full of dumb people who think they are intelligent, video creator said it best. The whole video I was thinking “ I’d love to see a movie made by one of these know it all critics” and you post that snippet of red letters 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Christian-en6lk]

I thought it was pretty clear that this video isn’t necessarily about prequels, or even film criticism in general. This video is a smaller part of a larger video about how an artist’s intention should be taken into account when assessing art. The common criticism that keeps being repeated is, “why didn’t George Lucas do this instead?”, and then try to justify it with notion that everyone has more ownership of Star Wars than the person who created it. It just goes back to that quote from Lucas. The fans wanted a green house and George painted it white, and since it’s George’s house, there is nothing wrong him painting it white, which is how art should be treated. People also keep saying that George had good ideas, but failed in the execution . But, as I’m sure many artists can attest too, if something executed poorly, the artist themselves will be the first person to point it out, which is something George did quite often with his movies. This video was made to point out the hypocrisy of critics, who point to something and say it’s a mistake, when it was actually completely intentional, and was even inspired by other works of art.

[@simonkorica9467]

You put it better than I ever could. Is just strange that so many can rant about all their personal gripes with the films, and then manage to get even more worked up after having their questions answered back. George Lucas made the movies the way he could manage at the time, then after getting great success and better funding, choose to keep editing and adding on to those films as him and his crew got better. That's what made Star Wars so fascinating to me, having a person very much unlike me, creat a series so captivating and different from anything I expericed before and since watching it.

[@Acrocanthosaurus]

HE. FAILED. IN. THE. EXCUTION. Is the end of the discussion. Everything else is you justifying

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

I mean George can make a film any way he wants but that doesn’t make it a good movie.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

"I wish I could just wish away my feelings"

[@koishki]

This is completely moronic.

[@Seth_M-T]

In the film Inside Out, when Riley's family moves to San Francisco, the shots of the car are always from right to left. This is because they're moving west across the United States!

[@BoleDaPole]

This is a rule that is thousands of years old coming from old Greek plays.

[@holdingpattern245]

@Snark.com en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

[@dekuisagreatmaincharacter]

No it’s not, it’s because the director doesn’t know what he’s doing and the scene is stale. - Chris Stuckman, probably.

[@ianprinzing1273]

The popularity of the term 'dunning-kruger effect' has skyrocketed among those who it is meant to describe. The irony of using that term in a video where you argue everyone that disagrees with you is being dumb is incredible.

[@scheminmo602]

This guy judges struckman on not watching classics but only watches Star Wars

[@ianprinzing1273]

@@scheminmo602 And I like the prequels, but I would never argue that they don't have a lot of terrible writing. Seems like he is trying to tell the majority of people who have seen the prequels that they don't watch enough rick and morty to understand them.

[@sh3p007]

I was going to make a comment about the irony of this video using the D.K effect when this video in and of it self is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@clementello]

you all've got it all wrong! this video is an homage to the Dunning-Kruger effect because of the close-up shots on Rick Evans' diabetic face. You're totally misinterpreting the intent of this video creator

[@zonefreakman]

@@sh3p007 Can anyone actually explain how he's a victim of the DK effect? You are all sounding like bots copying eachother.

[@georgepalchikov7176]

"I recognized this reference and I clapped!" This basically sums up the whole video

[@warlordofbritannia]

Rich Evans rolls in his grave every time this guy opens his mouth

[@gregjensen370]

@@warlordofbritannia Rich Evans is a national treasure.

[@grantwithers]

@@warlordofbritannia Rich evans better not be dead

[@geoffshotts]

@@grantwithers Rich Evans is Undefeatable.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@grantwithers Didn’t you here? He died of AAAIIIDSSSS!

[@22lagoon]

Making references and homages doesn’t substitute substance or purpose… it’s just referencing. Referencing other things that actually have substance

[@AvocadoBawlz-Johnson]

"Substance" or "purpose". The irony of the juvenile prequel haters is that their "criticisms" are as vacuous as they claim these movies to be.

[@peenweinerstein9968]

you contradict yourself. if you referencing something with "substance" then then the reference itself inherits that same substance or purpose, or can be commentary/critique of it. Its a lineage of thought. a string that ties movie makers together. the exact same thing is done in literally every form of art since (and presumably before) Homer

[@HITMO1408]

This comment reminds me of mauler critiques. Thus, entertaining but not always true

[@00JenkZ00]

@@peenweinerstein9968 tug

[@bobafeet1234]

Exactly. By contrast, The Mandalorian references the spaghetti westerns directly, but you actually care about the events in the story. That's why The Mandalorian worked and the prequels were a forgettable mess, IMO.

[@Code_Dee]

What's the term for when someone wants to like something so badly they overlook gigantic flaws? Make all the references to classic art you want but that's not going to make the visuals less sterile, the acting better or the dialogue less poorly written.

[@uncleethan7488]

Haha just watch his Woody Allen “rants” not even videos, he clearly is all about looking past something for the sake of he likes something about it.

[@djjjjj]

You clearly missed the point, this review was a homage to the aristocratic reviews of the late 1900s vaudeville entertainment scene, who thought it was too low-brow for any class higher than the bourgeoisie...

[@uncleethan7488]

@@djjjjj lmfao 😂

[@wintermute25]

You mean, the flaws the exist in original trilogy just as well, and that Lucas continuously tried to fix over time? Yeah, right.

[@Code_Dee]

@@wintermute25 "You know what Return of the Jedi was really missing? A poppy big band jazz number in Jabba's palace, let's get on that" "Fix" lol

[@kg7219]

“Adults who still have the taste of children” is such a great way to describe most KZbin critics hahahah

[@LeftTownMedia]

Redlettermedia states that the plot with the Trade federation invading Naboo doesn't make sense. But thats the whole point of it- it's not meant to make coherent sense. There was a scene where Qui Gon says to the Queen "There's something else behind all this. Theres no logic in the Federation's move here." So even Qui Gon acknowledged the lack of logic in the actions of the trade Federation.

[@katakesh8566]

Or maybe he meant the Sith Since Palpatine was the one manipulating everyone But I expect nothing but non-analysis from RLM fans

[@emoxvx]

The Trade Federation invaded Naboo so that queen Amidala had to sign the treaty, which she didn't and brought Naboo's situation to the senate which caused instability in the Republic, which in turn made Valorum look like a fool which led to the vote of no confidence, which in turn brought Palpatine to power and made the Trade Federation look like villains in the eyes of many in the senate (which they 100% were), which in turn created the CIS (Confederacy Of Independent Systems (seperatists) and led to the Clone War which destroyed the CIS and allowed the Republic to turn into the Galactic Empire, finally concluding the Sith Grand Plan. Even if Amidala had signed the treaty the Trade Federation would be seen as a villain. Violent resistance against the invaders was inevitable. The outcome of the occupation wasn't that relevant due to the fact that the whole point of the occupation was to cause instability and drive out Valorum. Palpatine was already in control of both sides, he was always going to win, just a matter of time. Qui-Gon knew it didn't make sense on the surface but even if he found out about Palpatine being Sidious his destiny and the destiny of the galaxy was already sealed. The invasion of Naboo was always a win-win situation for Palpatine.

[@adamduffield7782]

Yeah, its like red letter media missed the whole point that Palpatine (Darth Sideous) was trying to start a war! He was playing both sides against each other

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Quigon said there was no logic in the federation's plan because he doesnt know what Sidious is plotting but we the audience are given screentime of Sidious telling us his plot and it still makes no fucking sense lol

[@LeftTownMedia]

@@dancingvalkyrie qui gon didn't even know the sith had returned at that point

[@ChristianMartinez-gb2wj]

I just recently watched the prequels and the og trilogy and I love all 6 movies. The prequels are definitely over hated. The prequels were worthy entries to Star Wars and stand toe to toe with the originals, in my opinion.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

It's probably because they don't match the version of the original trilogy that they remember in the heads. Not the actual trilogy, mind you.

[@timpatrick2109]

The first 2 were the best. A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Down hill from there, in my opinion.

[@arthandle2206]

RLM fans shitting themselves in the comments is hilarious lmao

[@joechisten7176]

I never even noticed the head shadow, I always just assumed the head thing was because jango had a well fitted helmet for combat

[@Pegases0]

That actually makes more sense. Having your helmet fall off while rocketing around sounds kinda sus.

[@FosukeLordOfError]

@@Pegases0 I'm think either could make sense. The lightsaber went through the neck which could have cut stuff holding it on or th helmet could have been so well fitting.

[@gorth1314]

The fact that the head flies further away implies that the head has way more velocity, despite them given the same amount of force. It would have made more sense for his head to fall after it hit the ground, not in midair.

[@Apolita1987]

This video is a 57-minute definition of the phrase "film school sophomore."

[@Alpha_beef]

Lol, true

[@iamjurell]

And this is the short version...

[@derek96720]

Bingo. "I know more than you; therefore this shitty film is actually enjoyable."

[@iamjurell]

@@derek96720 'This is actually an obscure reference to Obscure Film #4922 and therefore the shot was competent and not at all shoddy or poorly thought out'

[@grantwithers]

based take

[@PumpkabooTrainerLiam]

I love how people disliked bomb your video just because you said "Mean Things" about the creators they like, and didn't bother watching your video all the way through. Because let's face it, frick what a person actually has to say, if you criticize someone popular period, they'll just come and smash the Dislike button period... *Sigh...* Some people, am I right? 😮‍💨

[@loliH9]

I seriously don't understand Stuckmann's point about Jango's helmet. Did he actually wanted to ruin one of the best scenes of that movie? For what? A shitty joke? Even if Lucas hadn't thought of including Jango's head's shadow, making the head plop down from the helmet while Boba is mourning his father is something only a retard would've don... Oh. Oh...

[@tomnorton4277]

This is why Chris Suckman is failing to become a filmmaker.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

loliH9 Same here

[@nathanjora7627]

loliH9 isn’t his point that the head should’ve fell down when Boba picked it up, hence Lucas should’ve shown or hinted at the head falling down the helmet previously ? Pretty sure his point relies on him being factually wrong about where the head is, not about him wanting a worst scene.

[@UncleJoeNeonCherry]

Stuckmann is a guy who thinks that the line "Tell that to Zodd's snapped neck!" is a great dramatic bit of dialogue. It's from his rewrite of Batman v Superman where Batman tries to accuse Superman of being a killer. Yes. Of course, he would think about something cringy like Jango's head falling out because that's how HE would have made it.

[@loliH9]

@@nathanjora7627 idunno, maybe. It's honestly not clear to me because he does both. It really isn't a good idea to "critique" a movie between jokes and nitpicks because you end up not being clear or saying dumb things that should stay as jokes but people think you said them in all seriousness because you have presented serious arguments embedded into jokes before. Also, Nostalgia Critic killed and raped amateur/internet film criticism in the cradle.

[@T0mek87]

Red Letter Media guys actually went to film school, so I'd say they actually do have qualifications to talk about the movies.

[@JMD501]

They also have made movies themselves, but this guy obviously knows way more about film than the RLM guys.

[@Monticello19]

Just because you get a degree doesn't mean you're good at the job.

[@nectarinedreams7208]

@@Monticello19 But they are good at their job. They have over a million subscribers and make tens of thousands of dollars every month. This guy is a nobody.

[@DamnDealDone]

@@Monticello19 RLM are good at their job, so your point is irrelevant.

[@mabusestestament]

Yeah they went to film school and then made a couple of extremely low budget movies that even their fans know are bad 😘

[@pirateninjaalliance]

I take your point that some critics aren't culturally literate. But is a movie supposed to be nothing more than a puree of old tropes?

[@ianfisch7289]

Not only is “but it referenced this other thing!” not a shield against criticism, but Clint Eastwood movies weren’t exactly avant-garde art films. Love or hate Stuckman, I’m sure he’s seen The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

[@craigthompson6466]

The prequels are rubbish. (Most prequels are). Easy to make that correct subjective judgement about them. But not easy to try to objectively justify that judgement. Still a lot better than the sequels tho. And far more interesting. Nitpicking and getting clever about specific criticisms or specific critics isn't suddenly gonna change peoples's subjective opinion about the films. But how can you possibly be a movie buff and still try to make out that the prequels aren't rubbish? What's the point in spending so much of your precious time watching movies if you're gonna still end up liking crap like that and worse be prepared to make excuses for it. And it's not as if far better filmmakers than Lucas ever was or ever will be haven't made crap movies themselves. Really annoying when people feel the need to defend everything their favourite artist/team/director/musician/politician/etc etc does or produces. Problem is that the vast majority of both movie buffs AND the vast majority of the general public think that they're rubbish. Best if you can to please both, obviously, but if you're pleasing neither you've objectively fucked up.

[@proctoscopefilms]

Yeah this is an odd hill to wanna die on.

[@MrGittz]

That’s not what he’s saying at all. He’s saying there’s a visual language at play & most reviewers aren’t comprehending that whilst being pontificating arrogant blow hards. The prequels aren’t perfect movies but the truth is that each generation has its own Star Wars trilogy to love and to complain about.

[@nighttrain1236]

@@MrGittz True but throwing cinematic language at the screen doesn't make a good film per se, it just shows you've been to film school (or watched a lof of film). I can't fault Lucas for his earnestness with the prequels but they aren't good films. It's quite possible for the prequels to be well-put-together mediocrities and the amateur blow-hards to be somewhat unfair in their cynicism.

[@xk1390]

Stuckman is definitely a fraud, I came to the conclusion myself years ago.

[@BEATmyguest31]

Yeah I have to agree. Have you noticed how now he’s trying to get his foot in the door of Hollywood now he is done with the harsh takes? Now he’s brown-nosing everyone as much as possible. Maybe it’s him growing or maybe he is realizing he is above the KZbin ad revenue/ fan support & can now be a true fart sniffing Hollywood sociopath

[@darkpatches]

+1 He added a beard, tattoos, and f-bombs, but forgot to add film literacy. Dropped him pretty quickly, too.

[@somethingsomething9008]

Imagine defending the prequels and claiming others dont have film literacy lmao

[@JaketheMovieGeek]

Same

[@ThinkingFella]

​@@somethingsomething9008 how did you manage to project that statement into the comment you are responding to? Like seriously lmao

[@rockandaardvarks]

Man, a lot of people took this video as a personal attack.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Well some people have too much attachments to others…. Not Jedi material. But in seriousness and not in jest, it’s a niche thing some people want to hear new points, others don’t.

[@soldat88hun]

it is, if you are stupid, then of course you'd feel called out

[@MahkyVmedia1]

Make all the comparisons to good movies you want but the prequels are not good movies. It is what it is get over it.

[@Mega-Brick]

I love that Chris says "something that *_always bothered_* me" about the helmet thing, even after admitting he got a lot of inspiration from RLM and blatantly basing his critique on RLM's review.

[@IMajst3RI]

Yea, It is just sad. People who think they are intellectual, and yet they think that technique is art itself and not just a tool of expression for telling stories and conveying emotions. They dedicate endless hours to a medium that they ultimately do not understand. Some people could not see the forest for the trees

[@Chuck_EL]

@@IMajst3RI When Chris claimed Maul was the "Phantom" in TPM I lost all respect for him It's obvious It was Sidious as he was literally shown in the shadows and on a hologram as a ghost like a phantom

[@gabrieledwards1066]

@The Pub Knight see, I thought The Phantom Menace was the Specter of Darth Vader. On the first movie poster it had Anakin with the shadow of Vader behind him. But I get your point. This video is a weak apologetic. I've heard more convincing arguments coming from a flat earther.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@gabrieledwards1066 The fact that we aren’t even sure what the Phantom Menace is just goes to show how confusing and convoluted that movie is

[@warlordofbritannia]

Ok, but how do you know that’s one of the things he got from RLM? Why do you think he’s lying there?

[@George-de6hd]

Episode 9 was supposed to end with R2-D2 (and 3PO) 100 years in the future telling his story to the keeper of the whills beginning it with A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY….he’s the only one that knows the whole story from beginning to end (George would say it’s really R2s story ) of course we were robbed of this when Disney barley put him in the sequel trilogy and didn’t use this ended

[@LOKITYZ]

Remember when Stuckmann thought he could rewrite the Batman v Supetman script to make it better, released it, and it turned out that it sucked? Yeah, I've unsubscribed from him a long time ago after feeling that a lot of his analyses were not very deep or flat out inaccurate. He's not even funny, which makes his lame analysis even worse....

[@Dagenspear]

I think that's a pretty irrelevant thing.

[@dereksanime5289]

Exactly what he is.

[@Chuck_EL]

@Daniel James every person who has been critical of the prequels you find out are very poor filmmakers themselves as Lucas said they don't understand how to properly do films

[@KibaRanger_Kou]

Tell that to Zod's snapped neck right? Haha.

[@carlireland5049]

In defence of Stuckmann, he later admitted the prequels are far better than his first reviews made them out to be, strongly downplayed the negativity of his early content, and seems to have picked up a better knowledge of filmmaking since he shot them. Still, I kind of agree after watching this that he was more amateurish than I remember in those days.

[@paintingcube3853]

Now if people could do the same for the Halloween trilogy..never hated it once it finished last year. I see the problems, yet never saw it as bad.

[@carlireland5049]

@@paintingcube3853 they’re way better than the other sequels/reboots of the series

[@j-555]

he only recanted what he said because he saw this video 😂he must have felt so stupid. I would even say his shift in opinion makes him look worse because he obviously leans with the prevailing wind. i.e. - it's trendy to appreciate the prequels so he doesn't want to come off like a jerk, especially now that SW is totally dead because of the awful disney fan fiction movies. I'd respect him if he said "I still don't like them but I apologize for terrible, inaccurate commentary." basically an admission that he didn't know what he was talking about and needs to shut up. But then he would have to revise nearly every negative "review" he's ever done🤣

[@SerialExperimentsLuis]

@@j-555this video is definitely not the “prevailing wind” it’s ok to change your opinion especially if your opinion is being challenged directly

[@j-555]

@@SerialExperimentsLuis nice try. No, the "prevailing wind" is the larger shift in attitude towards the prequels since the horror that is disney sw. mainstream publications have put out articles showing appreciation for the prequels, various people have put out video essays taking another look at them, etc. It's not just this video. And yeah, it's not "against the law" to change your opinion. But a grown man usually doesn't have to change his opinion much, especially on movies. A decisive adult looks into things and knows what he likes. If I took a political position and then later discovered new information that contradicts that view, then yeah I would change. But with a movie, this stuckmann tool has an unlimited well of resources to look into these movies, and he's gone on and on for hours talking out of his ass about things that have been explained or things that film/art people know like the cinematography, writing, etc. He tried to pick apart everything about these movies -- because doing it was a bandwagon -- and now when things like this surface, he knows he was being an obnoxious idiot. This is the cut down version of "how to watch sw". The full video has over 200k views. He saw it.

[@_AlejandroVega1]

Damn this video is hilarious, we get it bro, you’ve seen lots of classics, as have most reputable critics and film enthusiasts. You should of just made a video advertising ur letterbox, u want ppl to know ur film catalog so bad 😂 that good the bad and the ugly point wow, we all know what extreme close ups are and the point to them hahahah

[@arthandle2206]

I like how people are fine with dunking on Stuckmann, but are so hesitant to critique RLM, while Stuckmann is literally just regurgitating the same critiques that RLM put out in the first place.

[@appropriate-channelname3049]

It's because redletter media's Plinkett reviews are more about more Plinkett than the review itself. They are meant to be funny the film analysis is secondary.

[@sillygoose9791]

RLM is the final boss in the quest to redeem the prequels. Once they're struck down, we will be once again able to go about liking whichever movie we want regardless of a zeitgeist built by morons

[@viniciusmotta13]

@@sillygoose9791 Even the sequels?

[@squirt3299]

@@viniciusmotta13 I wouldn't go that far since those were made by committee

[@jamesmoss3036]

I get what you're saying, though you may have inadvertently answered your own question already (at least partially) - RLM's talking points, whether right or wrong, are at least their own and could theoretically be debated with them. Stuckmann however is just parroting their words which isn't really useful to anyone. If someone brought a counterpoint up with Stuckmann, he likely wouldn't have a rebuttal because he isn't really expressing anything. It's the difference between having your own ideas and ideas having you. Like I can't believe how often people say TPM has no protagonist. It's Qui-Gon. And it wasn't difficult to work out.

[@celebalert5616]

'dunning-kruger' bruh 😂what exactly is the field of expertise here, going to the movie theatre? it's a mass-market blockbuster , not molecular biology , like how are you gonna reply to someone saying they didn't enjoy a movie: 🤓"uhmmm actually yes you did"

[@yalbad5160]

It's so funny all the Star Wars fans getting upset at this video for defending Lucas and his Prequels (and for making them feel dumb). These are the same people this video brought up, the "They weren't for children!...why are they so violent & boring when they're for children!" crowd. These people want to co-opt Star Wars as they own private property away from Lucas. Bit they can even agree what they want the films to be exactly. I don't blame Lucas for selling the whole thing to rid himself of these horrid ungrateful ghouls!

[@bobs192]

Is this video just addressing nitpicks? I'm 4 minutes in and I'm skipping segments already. Like who gives a fuck about Anakin's helmet size?? It's a dumb nit pick, so why nit pick it back? Like I want to hear the justifications for the abominable pacing, stiff cardboard performances, awkward, stilted dialogue, horrendous fully cg sets and boring characters. I'm going to keep watching, but so far, this is exactly what I thought a staunch prequel fans video would be. Maybe he gets to the good stuff too. But just like Attack of the Clones, a strong ending doesn't save a project

[@footclann0043]

Yeah most of those criticisms made in your video are more on the minor side of things They don't talk about Plot, Characters/Character Development, pacing, etc. I need to go back and watch those reviews by Stuckman(and Red Letter Media mainly) and see if it's more than just the usual "Bad Acting, Bad Dialogue, Bad CGI, and Jar Jar Bad" arguments I'm up for fair critiques but guys like Patrick and Stuckman are in love with stupid camera angles🙄

[@kaptinbarfbeerd1317]

I plan on doing the same. If you ever do get round to doing it yourself, see if the criticisms are actual criticisms and not just ranting personal opinions. I remember hearing Plinkett saying "It's so stupid" a lot but don't remember the context were I heard it.

[@footclann0043]

@@kaptinbarfbeerd1317 I actually had a crazy idea about review the Plinkett reviews on the PT and apply it to a video addressing their "criticisms" Whether they have fair criticisms or not Right now I'm actually working on a "What the Prequels do better than the Sequels" video It's more or less a Star Wars Discussion and not heavily a "film discussion"

[@beatlecristian]

@@footclann0043 How is the video coming along?

[@moviebad109]

@@footclann0043 comparing anything to the sequels is a remarkably low bar to try and hurdle…. If the prequels only hold up when compared to the dumpster fire of the sequels, that’s not high praise.

[@footclann0043]

@@moviebad109 not the point Fam. I can acknowledge the PT had some writing issues

[@grabowski5348]

This whole comment section is cope lmao prequels suck

[@mischiefandmayhem8409]

They're trash. I don't know why youtube recommended this vid after 3 years. Sorry I didn't take college courses in cinematography to detail why some star wars contents works and some is garbage. Prequels suck and you don't need to be an artiste in order to explain why.

[@georgelucas2571]

Honestly. We live in a time where movies have gotten so bad, that people actually think the prequels are good.

[@Constantinch]

I love how you somehow manage to be more obnoxious with your "well actually" than the most "well actually" arguments you hand picked from RLM and Stuckman. Also it's not the best idea to pick the stupidest points to fight over at the very beginning of the video. Nobody cares if the head poped out of the helmet or if there were candles or not.

[@tonywords6713]

Right like if nothing else RLM can structure an argument and make entertaining content that stands on its own

[@OpticTeadrop]

I'm quite surprised this brilliant video has more dislikes than likes. Bias is a strong thing

[@Nickabob45]

Because prequel haters are weird

[@nope5657]

Well, it's a PT stan saying "Lucas is God no criticism valid" for an hour. You can analyze and appreciate the PT without being a smug prick for an hour about how everyone who doesn't love almost universally hated films are stupid idiots.

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@@nope5657 Awh, are your feelings hurt by someone calling out false claims you still want to cling to?

[@nope5657]

@@zoetropeguardian lol

[@jeremy8927]

But...but they were just objectively bad movies. All those little gripes people had that you pointed out wasn't why they hated the movie. They were just the icing on the crap flavored cake that was served to us through the screen. They were just boring, crappy movies and when the end product sucks, it's very easy for people to point out every little thing that's wrong with it.

[@tomnorton4277]

They're objectively good movies. Most of the gripes don't hold up when people bother to look at them objectively. The majority of people are just too lazy or too stupid to approach them like that. Also, calling them boring is not an argument because being bored by something is completely subjective.

[@Onezy05]

'objectively' 🤣🤣💀

[@dugonman8360]

I like to call the phenomena moreso "an ouroboros of mediocre opinions" where everyone regurgitates the same exact opinions on things without any personal insight into it yet the second you bring up a clarification on that insight, they end repeating the old hot take like a mantra as if theyre a robot or your a ghoul who will disappear if they keep repeating it. You see this all the time on the internet from films to tv to anime to music to politic to martial arts. The only criticism actually worth its weight now tend to be video game essays by guy like kingk and such and take that as you will but I find it disheartening.

[@malakai9738]

Mediocre opinions?!!

[@thorthewolf8801]

@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte its almost as if they are wrong objectively

[@REDDAWNproject]

@@Floki-D. they literally don't know what the fuck they are talking about half the time.

[@Floki-D.]

@@REDDAWNproject why do you say that?

[@ti5866]

Whats the last bad movie you've seen? I don't need to hear about the few subtle good qualities it contained, just tell me the name

[@ryanculver9441]

I believe the Dunning-Krueger effect is actually specifically about people’s ability to rate their performance on a given subject matter. The idea was that experts would be more accurate from their predictions to their final scores and beginners would be less accurate. They actually retracted their findings when they were unable to replicate it later. However the public’s generalization that we took away from the experiment seems to hold truer, the less you know the more you seem to think you know.

[@ravissary79]

And it being used to defend the prequels as unassailable by the drooling nerdy masses is so ironic and laughable I just can't take any of this seriously.

[@iamjurell]

@@ravissary79 Especially when the title emphasises RedLetterMedia (for reasons that are definitely totally super not about getting hate clicks) as an example when their whole shtick is 'we're dummies but that doesn't mean having no standards.' I mean for christ sakes, Mike Stoklasa said he enjoyed Jurassic World-- they're hardly trying to sell themselves as academic film philosophers.

[@warlordofbritannia]

There’s also the related consequence that amateurs will think they don’t need to know more, thus wallowing in their ignorance. Really, the whole Dunning-Kruger Effect comes down to “a *little* learning is a dangerous thing.”

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@iamjurell RLM also frequently refers to themselves as “hack frauds.” They know they’re not deep, analytical thinkers-they just like talking about movies in an entertaining manner.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@td111 Oh yes, there’s a degree of self-deprecation in the “hack fraud” label that wouldn’t work if RLM *didn’t* have intelligent criticisms to make.

[@vasilivh]

The "angry reviewer" genre isn't actually about the movies or the games or whatever they are crapping on, it's about snarky quips and skits and humorous overreactions. The angry reviewers long ago ran out of actually interesting things to criticize and interesting things to say about them, now it's pretty much anything goes. The sad part is that these "reviews" sometimes end up hurting media that doesn't deserve to be crapped on, like legitimately good games and movies that people then shy away from. This type of content was getting old about 10 years ago, now it's insufferable imo.

[@TypingHazard]

Yeah, social media algorithms that push content are tuned to pump out the most contentious crap, and we're really seeing the effect it has on people as they try and adapt to serve up whatever they think is going to gain the most traction. Someone needs to stop the fucking ride, but nobody will, so v0v

[@teddyobrien4801]

That reminds me of BigJackFilms. His reviews are without a doubt the worst I've ever seen.

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@teddyobrien4801 In what way?

[@teddyobrien4801]

@@MegaSpideyman He's been making pretty much the same thing since 2013. Terrible effects and editing, screaming at the movie or show, being biased towards what he likes, bad story arcs, barely scripted videos, shipping himself with Android 18 and other anime women, things like that. He's a Doug Walker clone that refuses to die.

[@thorinbane]

Conversely we have other critics paid off to make AAA crap taste like wine. How many games and movies get great reviews and completely miss the mark.

[@He-Man00]

I commend you for calling out nitpicking and for defending the good things in these movies. However you don't make the strongest arguments against the critique. You consistantly bring up "the point of the scene" or what it is referencing, to paint Chris or RLM as cinematically illitirate. Just because George pays homage to a classic film, scene or shot, doesn't make the scene great. George Lucas has genius ideas and he is clearly passionate. But some great ideas don't translate to a good scene. Like that weird close up of Obi Wan. The shot is flat, boring lighting, off center and just looks weird. Regardless of what he is referencing. Its kinda like a movie like "Mother". Where the movie is saying: DO YOU GET IT? ISN'T THIS DEEP? Without having an interesting story or characters. Phantom Menace is still boring, awfully paced, messy, flat, boring, too slow, stiff, boring, badly acted, boring. I don't think your arguments hold up sorry. I could have all the knowledge of film in the world, still doesn't mean I'm a good scriptwriter, character director or that my ideas mesh together

[@jerrysnail9267]

You're absolutely right, someone could have "all the knowledge of film in the world", like what Chris (literally claiming) or RLM claim they have, and not be a good scriptwriter, I mean the proof of that is in all the content RLM and Chris ever made. What you have to do to be a good scriptwriter is to make good movies which coincidently is also what George Lucas has done with the Star Wars SAGA, especially the prequels (sorry I couldn't censor that last bit I know that must have been a lot for you). Now we get that all your "criticism" on the prequels is based on what your feelings, lack of intellect, and RLM/Chris tells you, but please for all of our sake just sit down and go back to playing with your blocks and Tik Tok and stop watching the oh so tewwible Phantom Menace movie that gets widdle man baby so upset :(.... We know that you think it's bowing, bowing, and bowing that's what happens to developing minds when they'we used to watching 3 second content. Awwww so saddd :((((((

[@ggr.]

@@jerrysnail9267 My god this is such a disgustingly condescending comment. Its ironic you're insulting this other dude and implying that he's upset when it seems like you are the one who's mad.

[@jerrysnail9267]

@@ggr. Damn, this comment was half a year ago and I gotta say... I stand by every word I said. The original poster is so insufferable with his comment that I had no choice to tell it to him how it is. Don't get too angry because I had to do it to him, baby. ;)

[@ggr.]

@@jerrysnail9267 How was their comment insufferable? Is it just that you disagreed with it? I don't see how it justifies your mocking and condescending response.

[@jerrysnail9267]

@@ggr. Is my justification for giving an opinion to someone that gave their own, dumb@ss, opinion that important to you? Is this really worth white knighting this hard? You know that this guy is part of a band wagon of people who came from another bigger KZbinr's channel to attack this smaller KZbinr? This is the piece of sh!t you choose to defend? This is what you want to put your effort in? The original guy didn't even respond, this is just sad for you...

[@TheRoboRobot]

As a counterpoint, I’d argue that Lucas explaining plot details or his reasons for doing things in commentaries or interviews doesn’t mean he was successful in presenting those things in the movie itself. Lucas might have wanted the focus and central protagonists of Phantom Menace to be the Jedi Order and the Queen but if that doesn’t come across well in the movie then that’s a shortcoming in his filmmaking. I think Lucas is a good filmmaker, I think he’s one of those rare big blockbuster directors who actually wants to say something and use his self-described kids movie as a way of delivering a deeper message and should be applauded for that. I also think he needs a really confident editor willing to tell him what to change to help him deliver that message which is something lacking in the prequels. As for the allusions to classic cinema, I personally follow the MST3K rule of “don’t remind me of a better movie in your worse movie” although I do think you’re onto something. I think a lot of the negative reaction to modern sequel Star Wars stems from the fact that it’s weightless, it’s referencing nothing but it’s past and this is what makes it feel lacking more so than the prequels imo.

[@defketra2817]

Fuckin thank you

[@Apolita1987]

You need no more evidence that George Lucas doesn't understand filmmaking than his own statements quoted in the video. 1. "Star Wars is from the point of view of the droids." - no it isn't. The first act is, but once Luke is introduced, it becomes his movie. In the Phantom Menace, there is no main character,. That might not be an issue in itself - Empire didn't have a "main" character either - the issue is that none of the characters are interesting or compelling. 2. Yoda drawing his lightsaber is a reference - sorry, a "quote" - of The Man With No Name. If Boba Fett, badass bounty hunter acts like Clint Eastwood, that's a reference. If a 3ft-tall CGI goblin acts like Clint Eastwood, that's parody. If the above doesn't convince you, there's also the footage of the movies. I recommend the "fight" between Anakin and a 90-year-old man,where they're just moving their lightsabers from side to side, or any scene where the characters speak.

[@darthbigred22]

@@Apolita1987 IDK, GL isn't perfect BUT he did a hell of a lot better than anything Disney has done with it. The whole argument, not having sat through this video from our side is this: these idiots mostly led by RLM built their careers bashing the prequels, GL sold, Disney got it, and then proceeded to show us all that you can do so much worse than anything GL did. The criticism went overboard and while I would agree he wasn't a movie god he did conjure up Star Wars out of his head and did a successful job keeping it going and expanding until he sold. Did he fuck up? No doubt Jar Jar, AoTC being boring, the fast wrap up in RotS, and a lot of the expanded universe right before the sell (specifically making the Sith as dull as the Jedi rather than just pure hedonistic evil in the Darth Plageuis book) and the Force Unleashed games making this far far too strong Jedi who is pulling Star Destroyers out of space were a bit much. However in fairness to GL i think it was self evident he wasn't a movie god, he moved into basically everything else other than movies after Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Disney did so much worse the only thing they can do is a slate wipe because I refuse to accept anything they have done. They rewrote many things that didn't need to be changed, they clearly don't get Star Wars appeal, they are far too concerned with woke ideology from a franchise that was fairly progressive already, Rey was beyond a Mary Sue, and bringing the Emperor back just felt weak. I'd have rather just have them made the old EU books that were meant to be the last 3 films as opposed to what they did. Star Wars wasn't in the best condition when it was sold but a few easy fixes here or there and it would have been fine again. However it is so broken now and the core characters are ruined so badly it doesn't matter how good a TV show may be, it's done.

[@Apolita1987]

@@darthbigred22 No argument on the Disney movies being forgettable and shit . The guy's core arguments are that the sequels are brilliant, actually, because there are shots lifted from better movies, that you don't know better than George Lucas because he made Star Wars, and that RLM bad because they make unsophisticated hooker jokes. Oh, and the movies are made for toddlers, who REALLY enjoy them, the old movies were silly because Boba Fett was in an underwear ad, and the dialog only seems bad because the movies were made so they could be watched without it - they're like silent films, see? To sum up, the people who don't like the prequels are too uneducated in film history to get them, just like the dumb plebs who didn't get Dylan's transition to electric guitar.

[@berendharmsen]

@@darthbigred22 Although this is undoubtedly true when you only focus on the main story movies, I disagree that Disney fucked up over the entire line. Both Rogue One and Solo were objectively better movies than all the prequels. And when you throw the streaming shows in the mix, the first season of The Mandalorian is probably the best thing in this universe since The Empire Strikes Back came out and the show Andor is definitely on par with the only two Star Wars movies that are actual masterpieces - the first two. Some Disney Star Wars stuff is actually a lot better than most of Lucas' Star Wars stuff, but they are - just like Lucas' movies - a mixed bag. The first two prequel movies are almost genuinely terrible, and so are all the three sequel movies. Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith are 'ok'. The Obi Wan and Boba Fett shows are horrendously bad; prequel/sequel bad. Neither completely fails or completely succeeds. They both fail more than they succeed. They both - rarely - totally knock it out of the park.

[@TheQHBlend1]

Drag these dummies back to hell and back lol! Instant subscribe. Love how you called out these fools for their hateful schtick. Always loved the Prequels. Glad to see them getting their critical due these days.

[@tsurugi5]

RLM and the generation of midwit "critics" that they inspired represents the worst in the modern generation. They think they know it all. And them thinking they know it all has made them cynical. But in truth, their abilities are below average. And every time they attempt something of their own, they fail. They're cowards who base their careers on shitting on the works of greater men and it's all too obvious that they're terrified of taking back criticism themselves, seeing how they deflect with snide cynicism and the veneer of irony "i-it's just a joke bro! It's MEANT to be bad and campy! "to avoid being seen as the all-too vulnerable bullies that they really are.

[@obelixpfeifenreiniger2863]

who cares. i dont need to know anything to enjoy the old movies. but i seem to have to watch countless internet idiots to enjoy the new ones.

[@EricSteelmountain]

Referencing something that is good or conveys a specific meaning doesn't make the scene good. It is an interesting tidbit but if the scene can't stand on its own it almost only highlights the flaws of the scene itself. Referencing other works does add meaning to the scene, if you know the reference, but if that's the major source of meaning the scene itself becomes shallow. Imo the showing of the scenes from star wars in another language doesn't work at all. Presumably most who watches video has already seen those, knows what is said in them and already know the intent of the scenes. Whether or not the meaning of the scene is properly portrayed by the non-verbal communication is probably something that we should be careful to determine since we are already colored by our knowledge. I found the video overall bit annoying, or perhaps disingenuous. You talk about how RLM is wrong and a big source of the shallow opinions on Star wars but your responses and the focus you put is mostly on other people who regurgitate RLM instead of RLM themselves. I think I would've enjoyed it more if the focus was primarily on RLM.

[@mikedrop4421]

Wow I've never seen Chris Stuckmans take down of the prequels but as a regular dude who likes movies enough to be watching things like this I got lots the references Lucas was making. How did Chris miss all of them? Edit: omg he doesn't understand the 180 degree rule or maintaining directional continuity?

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Does cuckman not get them? Or is he faking ignorance so he can bitch and get outrage views? He strikes me as fake AND stupid so it’s hard to tell.

[@johncorr7154]

The thing is about Chris is that a lot of his reviews were made long before he ever became a film student. I remember in a video from about 2017-2018 he said he noticed the director of the film he was reviewing was breaking the Line of action. So a lot of the time before he started learning how to make actual competent productions, he didn't really know what he was talking about, as he didn't when he made his review on TPM. I don't really blame him though to be fair, as he said his family and religion didn't allow him to pursue a career in filmmaking, and after he left he got more interested in film and is now directing a movie.

[@beatlecristian]

@@johncorr7154 so now he is going say whatever he needs to say to stay in pedowoods good graces?

[@Chuck_EL]

@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 Even when I saw aotc in the theater I instantly picked up Anakin's arm being stuck on a conveyer belt was a foreshadowing of his Darth Vader future, I saw people in the audience gasp because they thought we were getting Darth Vader sooner than expected How Chris missed that is crazy

[@highjumpstudios2384]

To be fair, I didn't. But I'm the definition of a film illiterate so that's not a mark against Stuckky

[@MrZackavelli]

35:13 I literally did a spit take I've never seen that video, I can't imagine how bad the rest of it must be

[@magustobias8827]

It's horrendous. Patrick Willems is the embodiment of pomp and pretense regarding film criticism and analysis.

[@MrZackavelli]

@@magustobias8827 There's no way he can be worse than Chris Stuckmann.

[@magustobias8827]

I mean, Christ Stuckman is... overly self-assured, where Patrick Willems is just blatantly pretentious. I've literally never heard a reviewer accuse the audience of "watching movies wrong" one second, and that there is no wrong way to watch a movie. I would suggest for your consideration the coverage of his Last Jedi review on the podcast EFAP: Every Frame A Pause. MauLer, the host, tends to have an exceptionally good grasp on analytical writing and storytelling. (Though I'll even admit that A. he can have some bad takes/takes I disagree with, and B. isn't for everyone due to how in-depth he can get.) If just seeing EFAP being mentioned gives you a gut reaction though, I would strongly encourage you (or anyone interested for that matter) to not listen or watch someone's "opinions" of them, and watch their content to make their own determination, as a LOT of the negativity they receive is by people who just either don't agree, are jealous of the efforts they can go to, or who just parrot the opinions other's say without doing their own due diligence with an open mind. (Though I won't lie, their content definitely isn't for everyone. It can be hard to get used to them going between cracking jokes, being frustrated, going on tangents, and giving some damned insightful assertions.) They were absolutely flabbergasted by and cackling because of the weird as fuck and ridiculous things Patrick says and asserts. So, maybe worth a look-see for you. Feel free to get back to me if you do though. (Or if you want diddly to do with that, I'd be curious to hear why.)

[@magustobias8827]

@@MrZackavelli Actually, slight disregard on the previous comment; consider looking up "EFAP Patrick Willem's hilariously bad" video first, it's just a small segment of that episode and will give you a small taste of what he's like and what that podcast is like.

[@duffman18]

I've heard people like Patrick Willems and Austin McConnell and Chris Stuckmann described as not really being guys who's passion is for filmmaking (like they claim), but they want instead to have the titles of "filmmaker" and "auteur". They have nothing to say, no art they want to create. They just want to be famous for being directors. They want all the glory with none of the work. And they don't really understand what goes into creating art. People who love creating art do it regardless of whether they become famous and successful doing it. They do it because they love creating. Any success or fame is just a bonus (or even a negative, for a lot of them). So many great songwriters got successful with a hit or two, found out they absolutely hated fame, and so dropped back to the shadows and became hugely successful writing songs for other people that became massive hits, because they just love writing songs. They just didn't want the fame or the artistic recognition or the title of "great songwriter". They just wanted to write songs. Austin McConnell in particular, he seems to want to be everything. A film director, an animator, an author, and he tries all of these things once, but then always complains about how he never has an ideas of what to write or what to make. Artists don't struggle for ideas, they have too many ideas. But he just wants the title of "artist", in every category.

[@DunkeysLongLostSon]

The video essay equivalent of tipping your fedora

[@RuneAnimations22]

your video isn't a good take either. Your video is the equivalent to someone saying "omg that's a jojo reference" everytime you see a jojo reference in another piece of media, and if someone doesn't say it with you, you call them stupid and culturally illiterate. Who cares about homages? The meaning behind scene , the way the scene is shot, and how the actors/actressess act are important in what makes the scene impactful. That should be the main emphasis on what these film critics focus on. Reviewing movies isn't about finding a bunch of hidden mickeys and going "hey look this was inspired by this scene in this old movie, and this movie was inspired by that"

[@onecoolcustomer4950]

I never liked stuckman as he claims to review movies but literally just recaps the plot 90% of the movies he watches. But I never realised what a hack he really was.

[@scienceofnoises]

He's an idiot so he might've learned how to "review" movies by the Nostalgia Critic and thought that was actually legit.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Didn't the nostalgia critic start that gimmick?

[@onecoolcustomer4950]

@@ryanjacobson2508 no idea. The few nostalgia critic videos iv seen were just so nonsensical I stopped watching.

[@username45739]

Ok so this video is incredibly flawed. 48:15 A large reason why the release order works better, is that you're on the same wavelength as the writers who were coming up with this stuff as they went along, and thus don't notice the continuity breaks etc. as much; so like if you go from 3 to 4, you'll have all these events in fresh memory, and Obiwan's retelling contradicts everything: "Anakin" having grown up with Owen, going off on some kind of idealistic crusade; wanting his son to inherit his sword; having gone by "Ben" since way before Luke's birth; Owen not remembering 3PO rofl; Vader having "left" Obiwan as a "learner"; and so much more. Whereas in release order, just like the writer, those lines from way back might not be as vivid in your memory, and the contradictions therefore less glaring. And Rick Worley is evidently unaware of all that stuff - knows which scenes from older films are being referenced, but not the text itself; which is the primary aspect all these Stuckmanns and RLMaos discuss, as poorly as they happen to be doing it.

[@username45739]

Hm so the TPM opening doesn't work as "woaaah the Jedi in their prlme taking lightsabers to the next level!!"? And then after seeing all this stuff in 1-3, "your father's light, saber (he wanted you to have it, but Owen was against it)", Luke ignites it for the 1st time, waves it around, and then we see what it can do in the Cantina - totally not an introduction eh? LOL Anakin builds robots and tech, but that skill fizzles out in 3 and then 4 cause it was invented for 1. Owen doesn't recognize him, Vader doesn't recognize any robot despite having been best pals with them; oh "but their parts diverge" I guess, that solves everything.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

7:49 You don't even need to know Sergio Leone's films to see where Lucas is going with this. Grievous' face is static, it's a rigid faceplate. He can only emote with his voice and eyes, so when we zoom in on them, we're focused on his emotions in that shot. And what his eyes spell is hate. In contrast to that, you get Obi-Wan's eyes, which are confident with a hint of mischief in them. Basic cinematic language.

[@Gundamguy-py3ir]

I don't even know why I'm talking about this. People meme on this scene not because of the close zoom. It's the line: "Oh I don't think so..." And the super winde up force push Ewan Mcgregor does.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

@@Gundamguy-py3ir I don't even know why that would be a meme.

[@Gundamguy-py3ir]

@@TheSixthDoctor My guy. At this point Revenge of the sith as a movie is a meme.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

@Ryan Vetter >can't tell a close up from "shot, reverse shot"

[@callumdalton9560]

The fourth doctors the objectively best one, just saying

[@FernieCanto]

This video is so frustrating. It makes so many good and thought provoking points, and its harsh criticism of self-appointed "movie analysers" is absolutely necessary. But its opinions are also deceptive, and it's very jarring how it tries to flex so much knowledge and so many clips from old Russian and European movies to make the viewer feel ashamed for not liking the Star Wars prequels. And it's painful how the whole argument repeatedly boils down to "Lucas *wanted* to do [X], therefore it's automatically good", when there's a big gap between intent and execution. And I'm talking about this having almost no emotional connection to the saga. My favourite Star Wars related movie that I watched as a kid was Spaceballs--and I loved that movie without having ever seen any actual Star Wars whatsoever. I didn't watch those movies growing up, I'm not a fan of them, I'm not a fan of Lucas, and I really have no horse in this race at all. It just turns out that the Star Wars fanbase provokes some kind of morbid fascination in me. I think the original trilogy is quite decent entertainment, and I think the prequel trilogy is not as bad as people say it is, but I didn't find it very good either. "Oh, but this scene is a clear reference to Sergio Leone." Yeah? Well, if I want to see references, I'll read a Philosophy paper. I understand there are things Lucas wanted and intended to do in his movies, but he doesn't control my perceptions and my opinions. I have no obligation to comply with everything he wants. The art has to be bigger than the artist, and the artist is not my boss. If the execution fails to live up to the intent, it's not my fault. Now, does most of the "criticism" against the prequels probably stem from rose tinted glasses and irrational nostalgia? Yes, most likely yes. There's a lot of blind hatred from people who oughta be looking for better ways to spend their time. Does that automatically make the films good? Not really, no.

[@Dbuffardi1026]

Fernie, you are correct Lucas and any other artist out there are not your boss, and their content doesn't control your perceptions... However, I would argue that LUCAS more than many other Directors has always made his ART for him and what he wanted. The results were that his first Trilogy became some of the most beloved cinema ever created. Go ask Scorsese, DePalma, Kubrick, Coppola if they make their ART for the audience or because they believe in it and want to make it this way or that way. It is BECAUSE Lucas wanted to make a FILM he loved that Star Wars was created, he took parts and bits from things he loved as a kid, and melted it all together in his own vision, it was his choice to NOT use studio backings at first and use his own funding, build his own effects team etc., so he can do what he wants.

[@FernieCanto]

@@Dbuffardi1026 I know that an artist makes their art primarily for themselves. I'm a musician myself, and all music I make has the primary goal to express the ideas and sentiments that *I* want to express in the way *I* feel is adequate. On the other hand, it that was _really_ the case, why would I release it? Wouldn't it be enough for me to record my music and keep it only for myself to listen to? There's a duality between the artist realising their own artistic vision and the artist creating a cultural artifact for public contemplation. If something is made open to the public, it's automatically open for scrutiny, and the artist *knows* that. Using this argument that "the artist made it for themselves" as a shield against any form of criticism is disingenuous, because, again, if that were truly the case, the work wouldn't have been published. And this is even more glaring in the case of cinema, in which there's *rivers* of money involved. A film is more than just a work of art; it's an enterprise. People put money in it and people want their money back. I'm sure it's laudable for Lucas to finance the original film on his own, but I'm sure he wasn't doing it as an act of charity either. He wished to at least recoup his expenses. So, inevitably, a film *also* becomes--as much as it pains me to say it--a product to be sold. That's one of the reasons why I make music and not films: music is much cheaper to make.

[@Dbuffardi1026]

@@FernieCanto as a musician you should understand how your MUSIC can be one and both... There are countless examples of albums created mainly out of the desire to piggy back off another idea or just be outward with the art in a way to please the creator first. Think of Pet Sounds from Beach Boys, or Kid A from Radio Head both albums were lambasted as failures because the artists went out of their way to be experimental and see their vision.. in both cases there, those albums turned out to be classics and I believe Pet Sounds is considered by some a top 5 album of all time... My point is you can have your cake and eat it too.... I love film, and even as someone who did not like the Prequels as much as 4,5,6 I really love understanding more about Lucas' vision, and I think this particular reviewer makes more solid points than the other Negative ones. Full disclosure I do agree with a lot of the negative stuff as well, but to me I find it a little odd that someone like yourself who is also an artist fail to see why it is important to have an idea of where inspiration came from. I am sure your music pulls from experiences and other albums or artists you admire. After all the saying goes.. Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal

[@FernieCanto]

@@Dbuffardi1026 "but to me I find it a little odd that someone like yourself who is also an artist fail to see why it is important to have an idea of where inspiration came from." I don't think it's a failure to understand. I just believe a work of art should be able to mostly stand on its own feet, without depending on the audience to finish an undergrad course on the artist's intentions before being able to appreciate it. And that directly affects how I make my own art too: I've made albums that richly narrated deep and intense moments of my life using only instrumental music, in a way it would be impossible for the listener to deduce exactly what's going on only from listening. But instead of demanding the listener to read a book on what the album is supposed to mean, I've tried to make sure the each album was able to stand on its own two feet as a work of music, because that's what counts in the end. If someone doesn't like the music, I won't blame them for not knowing the story behind the music. Likewise, I don't think people who dislike the prequels should be blamed for not having watched Fritz Lang or Ingmar Bergman--after all, those "illiterate" viewers were the same ones that made the original trilogy such smash hits and global phenomena. Or do you think every 10-year-old who wanted to be Luke Skywalker or Han Solo knew about Metropolis? As I mentioned, I don't think the video is entirely wrong, but it is a little disingenuous. It takes Lucas's words as absolute gospel and dismisses everything else as illiteracy. To be blunt, this video is _religious_ in its attitude. It paints Lucas as an infallible god, and I don't think any artist should be elevated to that status. We're just humans. And I reiterate: I think the work of art should be bigger than the artist. My albums are bigger than me, and I should pretty much disappear under their shadow.

[@Hoganply]

'Lucas actually provides a shot showing where the head landed' **cuts to two small blurry shadows separating from each in a half-second shot** I hope this isn't a microcosm of this metareview.

[@warlordofbritannia]

*Curb Your Dunning-Kruger Effect*

[@matthias6933]

Not only that but the shadow cast and how it shows the head just floating away is hilariously physically inaccurate, appearing more like a mistake or artifact than artistically intended.

[@charlesjenkins2090]

I caught in the theater at first view at the age of 11, adults missing it just prove they are inattentive.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

@@charlesjenkins2090 or they deliberately ignore it

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@charlesjenkins2090 That’s nice. I loved the prequels as a kid myself, saw Revenge in theaters, etc. Never noticed the microsecond implication of Jango’s head flying in a different direction until a few years ago, after someone else pointed it out. Presumably, that’s the experience of the vast majority.

[@charliebrown4804]

You sound like a prequel fanboy who’s mad that people have a difference of opinion than you do. You spend an hour doing the same thing you accuse them of doing 😂

[@odiadordeisrael]

Who does that remind me of...

[@bshaddo]

I don’t think the Plinkett Reviews are actually reviews. They’re extended sketches that accidentally include some film analysis. Which makes the other guy’s reviews with some of the same points that much worse.

[@mania4270]

Cope. They're more ppl who watch those reviews than the actual prequel, kid

[@bshaddo]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[@Lone432345]

29:04 Your complaining about someone making a 2 hour review. When all you do is make 2 hour reviews of review. And you don't see how redundant that is. You say all these people who put all this hard work into making these movies, so you shouldn't criticize it. But then you defend Lucas when he takes the people hard work and shoves then down the toilet to put some CGI crap in its place. All those people who work so hard to get the Special Effects in the original. They don't mean shit to you do they. So I'm not buying that argument.

[@kellywilliam3708]

More than just the SW hate, there is a lot of rising cynicism in movie reviews by amateurs, like all that goes into an insightful critique is just crapping on something that is either in fashion to do so, or is just not for you.

[@Atheismo9760]

Well, these days most of what is coming out is woke crap.

[@kbg12ila]

Honestly discussion about movies in general is getting tired... It's all so muddled in so much rubbish that its taken away the enjoyment of the art itself. I also think it's led to what we have today which is movies made for the sake of getting certain reactions from people to guarantee successs instead of just making something good. Look at the original trilogy and the Prequels... Lucas made those movies in the same way... He just told the stories... The Darth Vader reveal wasn't a set up in the first movie that was revealed... It was a natural progression of the story and we reacted that way because the story was good. The Prequels did the same thing. The Prequels are way more similar to the original movies than anyone wants to admit. They weren't made like most blockbusters of their time. They were made like more star wars movies and "fans", who'd seen other famous movies since we're disappointed that the action scenes weren't like Terminator, or it didn't use as much practical effects as this movie, or didn't have as much something else as another movie. Instead of appreciating it for what it was. It's what happens... People get attached to ongoing properties and then want those properties to make content that's as good as the most popular and well loved thing. Everyone wanted assassin's creed to be like the Witcher and so it became the Witcher and now people miss assassin's creed. People wanted star wars to be like their other favourite action blockbusters and when they became that they missed the Prequels. Eh I'm tired of writing now.

[@kellywilliam3708]

@@chewcab8008 "I've done quite a bit of research" *same boring take as most haters* I'm gonna press X to doubt on that claim

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

To be fair, I think these kinds of reviews became a thing in large part because of the likes of some featured in this video.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

There have always been snarky and snobby critics. It is what it is. Some people have that personality.

[@PeverellTheThird]

The comments section is filled with so many excessively cynical, literal minded folks. Scrolling through it is like witnessing a mass genocide in real time.

[@Anthony-jo7up]

Likening a comments section to mass genocide is excessively cynical and literal-minded.

[@HighStrangeDrifter]

If Lucas is making a classic movie reference with Han shooting under the table, why’d he go back and edit it? In fact, why go back an add so much extra cgi to all the films? He’s even added stuff into THX1138. Waiting for two moons to show up in American Graffiti. I don’t why Lucas seemed to have lost the touch, but he did.

[@KaosNova2]

I feel it’s similar throughout the industry (see Ridley Scott making however many special editions of Blade Runner). I understand that feeling of wanting to “fix” older creations. I have felt that so far with what limited creations I make, but so far, the best part isn’t altering past works, the best part is when you realize there’s a way to do a better job at future works, with your early works as a reference for how you can improve.

[@arthandle2206]

He has another video on this exact topic, How to Watch Star Wars Part 2 which I would recommend. Goes over the special edition changes.

[@HighStrangeDrifter]

@@KaosNova2 The difference being, with Blade Runner, I can choose those “editions” right beside each other. I have no such luxury with Star Wars. The version I watched when I was 10 in 1977, no longer exists. Unless I do a lot of shopping or own a Time Machine. Same with THX-1138. I prefer your approach of making art and moving on. Stop the constant editing.

[@Fenris30]

Cause he wanted too.

[@wintermute25]

It's explained in excruciating detail by Lucas how and why the changes to the original trilogy were made. The overall motive - it's because many of original props were shit or overly restrictive. It's a shame you can't be bothered to go and read about those things.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Since when referencimg something makes it a good bit, wtf? You need to watch 30 hrs of old western movies to appretiate a movie targetted for kids? Reference is only good if it alligns well with the scene. Also overreferencing makes movies predictable and thus boring imo, watching same scenes over and over again

[@KazuyaMithra]

>all the top comments are from the last year on a 4 year old video Looks like r/redlettermedia found your video. Sorry Rick.

[@timpatrick2109]

As a huge fan of Red Letter Media, and all their criticism of the prequel’s, this was very informative. I now feel balance with the force.

[@billysledgehammer]

So just because the prequels are one giant reference fest to other and better movies,that makes them not bad after all? Okey dokey

[@billysledgehammer]

@guyledouche5812 I don't think you quite grasp what dunning Kruger means. It's not just an insult you throw around when you want to call someone dumb but in a smartypants way

[@GageEakins]

Glaring plot hole brought up....But its a reference. The prequels aren't as bad as many people remember them but they are pretty bad. They have pretty one-dimensional characters with plots that barely hold together, they have some serious tone problems with random bits of comedy, and they have some of the worst character directing in a major block buster.

[@reinhardgutzat8828]

I never understood how anyone could like Chris Stuckman's reviews.

[@username45739]

Christ Stuckmann has been a laughingstock on Moviescirclejerk for years (not a sub without its problems though).

[@Chuck_EL]

@@username45739 did you see his video where he is in legit tears after his god red letter media trashed his short film lol?

[@username45739]

@@Chuck_EL Saw a snippet of him crying in some kind of RLM related context, but didn't catch the details lol - where did they trash his film, was that on twitter or one of the regular videos?

[@username45739]

@@Chuck_EL Ah gonna have to go check that out lol

[@GabAssbreaker]

i think this video is bs but im on board with all the Stuckman hate, the dude is a hack

[@heraldofoblivion499]

I'd be interested in a more coherent video about each of these reviews you take issue with indepth. I think it would be interesting viewing.

[@markparkinson6947]

I completely agree!

[@bionic-tale4313]

Hello.

[@fundhund62]

It wouldn't be worth it. Why argue with people who don't understand movies in the first place?

[@valorfirstspherecherubim285]

If you want to see more you should check put anomaly inc's series called revenge of the prequels (shit someone beat me to it)

[@theriderofrohan5639]

Yea I cannot wait for part two how to watch Star Wars

[@ikoandreas5085]

Chris Stuckman and all the other redwall youtube ‘’critics’’ just replay what they heard from someone else. The reason you never see a direct breakdown and response to the plinkett reviews is that (and this will hurt to hear) but Mike Stoklasa is 100% fucking right

[@JMD501]

You just don't understand, this guy mentioned old movies, and was able to predict everything in star wars. So we are obviously wrong and dumb.

[@BuJammy]

For a sniffy critic, this guy shoor don unnerstan criticism. The ultimate "You just don't get the themes" + "You just don't get the references... to good films, ones that aren't filled with wooden acting, weightless CGI washes, that have good plots & pacing.". "I guess RLM/Plinkett don't know what Lucas was trying to do.". They do, they just think he did it poorly. Sigh. What a pseud's banquet.

[@peterparker1683]

This video is like saying you have to have a high IQ to understand Zack Snyder’s DC movies

[@gabriellucas5864]

The Star Wars prequels are not "too big for little minds" movies. These films are so easy to understand that it amazes me that "grown-up fans" haven't.

[@peterparker1683]

@@gabriellucas5864 except he’s arguing that movie is good because they make references to other movies. You don’t need to have a film degree to understand what is happening in these movies. Just because you reference better movies doesn’t mean your movie is somehow good. A lot of that shit is distracting and out of place.

[@gabriellucas5864]

@@peterparker1683 That's not what he said. Knowing the films that George Lucas references is just the first step. Understanding HOW and WHY Lucas is making these references is what is important. If you believe Worley's argument is "this makes a reference to a good movie therefore it's good" then you haven't watched the video correctly. Although you don't need to know these references to understand the Prequels, it is through these references that you can truly understand the meaning of these films.

[@peterparker1683]

@@gabriellucas5864 That’s an intentional fallacy. There is a reason why the prequels failed with the public audience when they first released. The reason why RLM’s reviews were even successful to begin with was because it perfectly illustrated how they failed to connect with the audience when they first released. Are you really gonna argue that every single person who didn’t like these movies “weren’t paying attention” or “didn’t understand what Lucas was doing?”

[@gabriellucas5864]

@@peterparker1683 yes, because this same audience wanted a film that only satisfied their nostalgia and their personal desires. This same audience didn't pay attention and didn't understand even the Original Trilogy.

[@krimtim3]

Insert Rich Evans laugh here

[@Iriseon]

@David Proeve trite tripe lemming phrase of another stripe.

[@qbatmobile]

This comment.

[@e11-f2l]

@David Proeve I dont think you understand the npc meme....

[@greedyclown851]

The guy seriously was going to ignore the axis rule... My god, you learn that the first week in film school, in every course, every basic video here about it, just incredible

[@pentelegomenon1175]

I know that rule literally just from watching KZbin movie reviewers, I don't know how Chris could be so unaware of it.

[@Samanosuke1138]

@@pentelegomenon1175 he was too busy regurgitating RLM to notice he was making stupid assertions.

[@warnut8]

Chris Stuckman is very ignorant for not understanding the jedi being forbidden to love. Has he ever heard of the Knights Templar? The jannissaries? Is he aware that priests are celibate? The jedi are a blend of warrior and monk and there have been countless celibate warrior/monk organizations throughout history. A 2nd grade history education would teach you this. This video exposes how hollow and nonsensical much of the disdain for the prequel trilogy is. And how most of the hate for the prequels originated from snarky know-it-all dudebros like RLM who think hating something means that you have good taste. However I don't see enough evidence for the idea that the prequels are objectively good films. The prequels were made by a guy (Lucas) who hadn't made a film in years, whose script was not vetted by anyone, and had his ass kissed by the people working for him all through the making of the trilogy. That is a bad recipe for a film. And it shows in the stilted acting and extremely densely plotted storyline.

[@Lone432345]

He only made a big deal about Stuckman. Was because he was a easy target. He didn't bother with most of the Arguments that RLM was making.

[@rynobehnke8289]

I feel like when it comes to the stilted Dialoge that its often not properly seen in context. Of cause will most characters talk stilted they are Monks, politicians and Corporate mouth-peaces. They be there very position in life are suppose to talk unnatural because they have responsibilities. The Jedi must be detached from emotions to leave no attack vector for the dark side The Politicians have to be reserved for diplomatic reasons. Especially Padme has to present herself as overly serious to make up for her young age. And the CIS members are all leaders of big mega corporations and no business talk ever sounds natural. Something that I think is best shown in Phantom Menace when you directly compare Padme talking as the Queen VS Padme talking as herself on tattoin.

[@eph6640]

So glad someone is finally calling out the plinkett industrial complex for what it is! RLM is a joke! I mean, hello! Has anyone bothered counting how many time Mike has said something is the worst movie he’s ever seen? Contradict yourself much? Sheesh. Thank you my good sir for fighting the good fight and making sure that billionaire 4-time Oscar-nominee George Lucas doesn’t have his good name sullied by the vast influence of these ignorant youtubers. Finally, some justice in this crazy world.

[@jowaksh6627]

Preach brother

[@REDDAWNproject]

I know this is sarcasm, but george lucas absolutely has been tarred and feathered and minimized and they try to eliminate his pretty monumental impact because there is an actual vested interest in destroying his legacy.

[@FantasticOtto]

You're kidding right? If you don't have the ability to recognize irony and sarcasm, then RLM is definitely not the channel for you. Of course Mike says something is the worst he's ever seen. It's his catchphrase. He even says it in a comical voice.

[@REDDAWNproject]

@@FantasticOtto he's doing the cinemasins plausible deniability crap. Or as i've heard it called, schrodinger's dick. Be a dick, but only so long as people don't call you out. When they do, say its satire.

[@toastymuffin4153]

I liked everything George made cause he was a film nerd and just tried to have fun and experiment

[@thorinbane]

Indiana jones 4 checkmate

[@orlandofurioso7329]

​@@thorinbaneAnd? It had a lot of great stuff in it

[@thorinbane]

@@orlandofurioso7329 I don't think you watched that movie, it was a polished dog turd. Even Ford and Spielberg thought it was garbage.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@thorinbane The area 51 intro is maybe my favourite Indy intro for example, the chase in the college was also great, as the ending was, the only part where i think the movie stumbles is the end of the second act

[@thorinbane]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Sorry but the premise is just a let down from the get go. I am way more upset at the movie from a technical standpoint.I suppose if you where young when it came out there is the nostalgia of it from a kids perspective. As is the case for my 2 favs being last crusade and raiders. I much prefer practical effects and in camera ones. The dialogue on 4 is...soooo bad. Its about par for lucas at that time period. The SW prequels being another example of terrible plotting, dialogue and pace. I did enjoy the chase scene on motorbike, but again its a standout in a rather bad indy movie. But it was also practical in camera work. Thats what makes it good. The area 51 has issues because the magnetism being put so prominent, while it is outright ignored most of the movie. Its setup with no payoff. Meh I didn't go see 5 so maybe 4 moves up from the worst indy movie to just a bad one.

[@OdileOdile19]

Yeah so terminator 2 and predator were marketed to kids and had toy commercial doesn't make them kids movies

[@nineleafclover]

Lol you are so insecure

[@khalido50ko]

@@nineleafclover what makes you say that? i hope it’s not because he had an opinion.

[@rubberoid2501]

They’re SOOOO MATURE lol

[@Ruylopez778]

Terminator 2 - rated 15 Predator - rated 18 A New Hope - rated U

[@nineleafclover]

@@khalido50ko It's because you touch yourself

[@405Robot]

An attempt is not the same thing as a successful attempt. You can try to imbue your work with all kinds of deep cinematic references and even have a vast filmic wellspring of knowledge to draw from, but if the end product is bad, it's bad. "Well, I was trying to do something deep" amounts to nothing more than an interesting commentary track on the DVD if the results are a jumbled mess, and that's what the prequels are. In the hands of someone else (like the last 2 movies of the original trilogy, and everyone acknowledges that A New Hope was saved in the edit), the same basic stories could have been much better, but Lucas as the writer AND director is a dangerous combination. He's the Steve Jobs of Star Wars, the big broad idea man who can get great people together to do amazing things, but Jobs knew that he wasn't an engineer, software developer, or coder, so he left that to the people who knew what they were doing. Lucas made 3 bad movies, possibly out of hubris, but that doesn't mean he isn't a genius or an extremely thoughtful and knowledgable filmmaker. And the attempts to rescue his reputation by pointing to tangential nonsense like "That scene you thought was bad or out of place was actually a reference to an old western" or "He made the opening and closing shots of the movies in each trilogy act as counterpoints" just feels like intellectual masturbation. Some criticism of the prequels is unnecessarily harsh, wrongheaded, or just nit-picking, but they just aren't good movies. Also, Chris Stuckmann sucks. It feels like shooting fish in a barrel to use him as the main focus of your critique of the criticism when RLM, while immature and going after the low-hanging-fruit in some places, is actually well researched and thoughtful.

[@BoleDaPole]

Wow so what you're saying that it's formed to be like poetry, it rhymes.