Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - Full Next-Gen Release Tested

A final look at the full next-gen release of Fallen Order - a proper PS5 and Series X app that takes advantage of each in myriad ways. From visual upgrades to halved loading times, and performance boosts, Tom covers what's included.
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[@foopock]

*Frame drops from 60 to 56* "There is a great disturbance in the force"

[@koolk2115]

Lol!

[@jonuiuc1]

not if you have a VRR display.

[@maugod6972]

@@jonuiuc1 he is joking about how they make it look like it is unacceptable lol

[@soldier91]

These drops happen on a PC with a 3080, 5800x, and pcie gen4 ssd. There's definitely an issue with the engine in this game.

[@Sims64340]

No problem with 8700K 1070 and HDD.

[@moresarmsmorequalms7901]

No issues for me with 9090, 8500x, and a pcie gen220 ssd

[@brettcarlson5450]

@@Sims64340 i mean yes there is. It is an unreal engine issue. It happens in many unreal games. You not testing the game front to back. Dont lie

[@jetthejudge]

Same my good sir

[@coruviel]

Well that’s unreal for ya, hoping it’s fixed with their next iteration.

[@somatyk]

My laziness at clearing my backlog is actually turning out to be of benefit on PS5. Nice work Tom.

[@somatyk]

@@WKSnacks Definitely. I'm going to sit tight on a few games now in the hope they get updates.

[@treywar25]

Yeah Xbox started that in 2015 I think. Backwards compatibility improvements are always nice

[@umbrellacorp1173]

I added a new catch to my backlog, if it has ps5 update, goes up on the list

[@teddyholiday8038]

I plat’d this game on PS5 last week. Great game with great graphics. I was curious, so afterward I loaded the PS4 Pro version and it felt like they look and perform very similarly. I was shocked how good the PS4 version looks on PS5. I dunno if it’s just a great looking game no matter what.

[@leiflala]

Kinda... I mean I wish Sony had more games updated with FPS increases like Xbox do with FPS Boost with a tonne of titles

[@funkyronin8694]

Now all we need is an option setting for dismemberment

[@M1d32]

Disney: No

[@funkyronin8694]

@@M1d32 They didn't put it in because they wanted to be seen as virtuous, I bet it wouldn't have been that big of a deal to the sensitives. Only a few Nutheads would've complained

[@automata.]

@@funkyronin8694 I imagine parents are the biggest factor in this. Disney wants to be seen as pure as possible, even with violent content like in videogames

[@DEVILTAZ35]

That was to get rating low enough that it sold 20 million units lol. It is annoying though hey :)

[@The_Mad_King_Aerys]

Yeah it's pathetic. We had it nearly 20 years ago in jedi academy. Just made for kids now and the exact reason I didn't get this game.

[@MrEditsCinema]

My high end PC has the exact frame time loading stutters. That's unreal engine for you lol

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

Really now? You should know it's likely more to do with the devs than the engine. There are games that are well optimised that use unreal engine.

[@concinnus]

@@_Chad_ThunderCock There's no reason the engine couldn't include automatically adjusting tools for setting streaming parameters. If it's a common problem with one engine and not most, it's an engine problem.

[@lexsanderz]

Sounds like unreal doesn't know to utilize the new storage APIs. Cuz on consoles the storage has custom sillicon worth multiple cores of processing power dealing with streaming assets. But on PC everything is done by the general purpose CPU. They haven't adapted the code, like Morales can load anything anywhere without drops.

[@CaptToilet]

@@_Chad_ThunderCock If it is the devs then there are a lot of stupid devs out there. Most of my UE4 titles are stutter fests. Not unplayable by any means but it can be really annoying. I am fairly confident that UE5 will be just as stuttery as UE4.

[@Cirilius011185]

Good thing EA didn’t use the Frostbite engine 😅

[@dualshark117]

I hope Mafia trilogy recieves a next gen Patch

[@brewski535]

I'd be happy with just a FPS boost

[@vincentclark8386]

I popped in Mafia 3 yesterday and that game is rough which is unfortunate cuz the story kind of intriguing even if it is generic

[@Peightun]

Its published by 2k so thats not happening without a payment

[@cdmwwf]

Facts!! I still haven't played it because I don't wanna play at 30 fps

[@tinmanslickgreasy999]

So true... that would be a awesome thing to at least get it to 60 on the ps5 and SX! Maybe one day!

[@WDeranged]

Loading stutters in the Unreal engine? Why I never!

[@itsd0nk]

I thought it runs on a modified source engine just like all of Respawns games. It’s impressively not source enginey looking, if it is.

[@prich0382]

@@itsd0nk It's Unreal Engine 4

[@zybch]

@@prich0382 Yep. EA tried to force Respawn to use Frostbite but that studio is so good they have been allowed to use whatever engines they want, including source and UE rather to have their stuff shoehorned into Frostbite which is great for some genres but terrible for others.

[@snchez2106]

@@zybch Still, Frosbite would have saved this game from most stutter, if not all of it, UE4 if not used properly will end up causing this stuff.

[@snchez2106]

@@itsd0nk No, it's UE4, only UE4 has major asset streaming issues.

[@Silikone]

It ain't a real Fallen Order video without The Hu playing somewhere in the background.

[@MisterCasket]

Yuve yuve yu! 🤘

[@MedalionDS9]

Who? No... Hu. Who? Not The Who... HU... ... Who Hu?

[@wombat7961]

The Hu is the only redeeming factor of this game...

[@warweeny5127]

The random framedrops are also present on PC.

[@DEVILTAZ35]

Why would they use Unreal Engine 4 if they are not competent enough to modify it to iron out these issues in the first place?. Gears 5 is perfectly smooth on both console and PC.

[@Anonymous-Wolf]

Specially when loading new scenes

[@zaxmaxlax]

@@DEVILTAZ35 Because gears is a totally different game.

[@coolertuep]

@@DEVILTAZ35 respawns latest game „medal of honor above and beyoned“ is running on UE4 as well but doesn’t have that stutter, it’s something with this game I guess

[@saputrasaputra3347]

laugh on my RTX 3080 Ti

[@kirk-daroostergordon9961]

Had it for the Xbox One X was only 30% in so I'm happy I get to play the Next-gen upgrade on my Xbox Series X

[@TLOWNSU]

You buy that xbox one x star wars bundle too lol

[@PhilosopherJEB]

Same story!

[@alienrapturecoverup]

Same

[@zybch]

And same here too.

[@PhilosopherJEB]

@@alienrapturecoverup seeing as how I’m in good company, let me ask you all this - are you all planning to seamlessly pick up where you left off? Or to start over again? Cuz I just started over again and am really digging how amazing it looks so far.

[@Jpilgrim30]

May have to play through this game again. This was one of my favorite games in the last few years.

[@Kristoferpalmestal]

This is one of my favorite games from the last couple of years. Nice to see it supported, hopefully more players takes the chance ro enjoy it now.

[@SwatBeatsOfficial]

Crazy that you posted this. I just started replaying this badass game on my PS5 and it is beautiful

[@Schnyger]

Really excited to see what Respawn does with the sequel. Considering how different this game was from their previous work, it's very impressive how well it turned out. If they can tighten up a few spots, improve the boss fights, and add just a little more customization, I think the sequel could make a run for the best SW game of all time.

[@turri8577]

To take that title from kotor in my pov they would really have to make an impressive history! you know something that blow our minds big time!

[@apictureoffunction]

Agreed. For instance, I mostly like the traversal, but I feel like it could definitely be made to feel more smooth/fluid, and sometimes even when locked on in combat, Cal will rarely attack in a wrong direction. I think there's a ton of potential though as the game was really fun, I just hope we don't have to relearn all of the powers and skills we unlocked in tbe first game.

[@MohdAsif-Alpha]

​@@apictureoffunction we have to, i think 😢

[@apictureoffunction]

@@MohdAsif-Alpha no we don't. The developers have said that Cal will start with all the force powers he had by the end of the first game

[@emporioalnino4670]

You were right. Barring the offensively poor performance it was a fantastic game and some of the best Star Wars media ever.

[@Archuro25]

I love this game so much, I can't wait for the sequel.

[@SaItyToad00]

No

[@HackEliteSPARK]

No sequel game trash

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

Same, its one of the best Star Wars game made recently in a long long while.

[@playmaker451]

Totally ready for the sequel myself as I love the first game

[@Zeegoku1007]

@@HackEliteSPARK No you trash...😂

[@TheRealOne24]

Excellent video. I would have liked some commentary on the tradeoffs for which mode we should play on, like how you did with the Ratchet and Clank video. That was helpful

[@vanx0u]

Great work as always Tom!

[@mononoke721]

Man, if I wasn't such a big Star Wars nerd it would have paid to wait a year and a half and play this now, as this did not run brilliantly on a base PS4 back in November 2019 I can tell ya! Gonna have to replay this at some point along with Ghost of Tsushima, as replaying God of War recently in all its glory was a real joy. Then there's Control, Metro Exodus and Last of Us Part II still to play for the first time! In terms of graphical and performance fidelity and the sheer scope of experiences, I don't think there's been a better time to be a console gamer primarily. Sure, everything is better on PC (when it works) but for the price and convenience, these are really great machines - here's hoping though that full next-gen games can continue to deliver high benchmarks for most of the generation, as set by the likes of Demon's Souls and Ratchet and Clank as examples.

[@ivanleon6164]

i just played God Of war for first time, in PS5. and it has been mind blowing for me. i didn't had the fortune to have a PS4 and I have tons of games to play, been in a buy spree of used games lol.

[@TheRabidRabbi29]

@@ivanleon6164 same here, man. I completely skipped the PS4/XB1 generation (late PS3/XB360 gen as well), it's amazing always having something new to play, and economical as hell with how cheap last gen games tend to get.

[@iebreakerkraken4069]

I think control is very lame on the ps5. It's very blurry on 60fps mode.

[@DirEnGay]

Yeah I played this game on PC no regrets, I've been slacking on PS4 and Xbox One games since around 2016 because I hated the idea of buying the console again to play at higher resolution (PS4 Pro / One X), and it just felt like a spit in the face for the base model owners. I upgraded my PC instead and played this game, Detroit Become Human and Horizon Zero Dawn. I have picked up a PS5 and Series X though so I'm glad I waited to get to play all of the great games like Ratchet & Clank 2016, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us Part 2, and about a dozen more games lol. This year has been honestly great for games, but still people have done nothing but complain it feels like. So many people convinced themselves not to bother with a next gen console. I wonder how long that will last though. It's your choice at the end of the day if you want to play the game again on next gen system, personally I don't really like re-playing games I already completed after I'm done with them.

[@MrStefanirock]

I actually agree as well with the ps5 and Xbox u basically getting an optimised super fastpc for 500 bucks better deal anyday !!!

[@TurnaboutAdam]

I played the game on PS5 when it was updated. Pretty glad I didn’t wait (though I assumed they wouldn’t do a proper version after already doing a next gen update) considering the small hitches are still there. I remember loading times being bad though, so that’s probably the best upgrade overall.

[@GregPolkinghorne]

Performance mode on One X was much better than playing 30fps. Could barely notice the loss in resolution but in combat you could really feel the increased frame rate. I found parrying a lot easier at the higher fps. Never finished the game, so nice that it got another upgrade upgrade SX

[@mylesx.d.5963]

I love this game so much. 100% completed the whole game and can’t wait for the sequel

[@daggermouth4695]

It's been a little bit but the sequel is here, did you get survivor ?

[@raw687]

The audio being out of sync in cutscenes is still rampant on the ps5. Really detracts from the cinematic experience

[@mog_3825]

It's the game engine because that shit happens on my series s as well

[@simonrockstream]

Was waiting for this video!! Thanks!!

[@Bobi816]

Love the improvements visually….audio wise I’m still disappointed in that there’s still lip sync issues in certain cutscenes…PLUS switching the audio from stereo to headphone to 5.1 to 7.1 doesn’t seem to make any difference and its unclear whether this takes use of PS5’s tempest 3D audio for headphones or Xbox’s Dolby Atmos for headphones.

[@umbrellacorp1173]

What a coincidence, I just started playing it looking good so far.

[@juanchitocruz]

This game is amazing, enjoy it 😉👍🏿

[@tomfly7064]

Yeah its slow at first but stick with it and you'll ve rewarded.

[@AndyGilleand]

I wonder why so many last gen games that use DRS have a maximum resolution. DRS, by definition, can allow for potentially unlimited resolutions as performance increases. Why cap that? There was all this talk in the past about how games could automatically adapt to better hardware with tools like this, but that's not the case when they stupidly cap it. Sure it's nice to see a more complete upgrade, but if they had done DRS right, it might not have been as necessary.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

It's probably capped to keep the resolution from fluctuating like crazy.

[@AndyGilleand]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe why not let it? If it goes above screen resolution you'd probably never notice it, but it would allow future systems to run it at better quality.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@AndyGilleand I suppose that's true. A lot of games are 100% locked to 60fps with a max resolution that is being hit most of the time so they do have a lot of headroom. But my console is a series S so on that machine the Drs values usually make a lot of sense

[@SeanUCF]

It's less taxing on the hardware and less visually jarring to drop from say 1440p to 1080p than 4k to 1080.

[@ardayaman22]

thank you so much for the detailed inspection

[@nnnnoob]

Great video! Any chance you guys have a DF review of STALKER 2, and its currently available footage? The game looks insane.

[@ComicsLamar]

The PS5/X update feels like the definitive version.

[@marcelo4721-w1i]

Laughs in PC Master race

[@ComicsLamar]

@@marcelo4721-w1i I have the PC version too.

[@xikaryo6735]

@@marcelo4721-w1i PC version suffers from the same random performance issues and PC players spent over $2,000 on their PCs. There is no PC “master race.” Also funny how PC version doesn’t load faster than these versions. Imagine paying that much to build a machine that crashes and loads slower lmao.

[@ThDragoomba]

@@marcelo4721-w1i u pc elitists are cringe af

[@FMG_MADLOO87]

@@xikaryo6735 a pc does more than game though... A 2k pc does more than ur 500 console... Same energy

[@E_Sunbro]

To be fair, the PC version also stutters at the transition points when the game loads new assets for the next area. I even had a hard 10 second hang on Kashyyyk when heading down to the lower level of the map on my playthrough. My guess is Respawn was just getting used to working with Unreal.

[@ea-sk8er_775]

Truth I think that might just be an unreal thing. Many unreal games in the past have had huge stutter issues, games like the arkham series and even something like bioshock infinite. Definitely could also be a case of Respawn getting used to unreal, but yeah it's been an unreal issue for a while now. One thing that definitely helps on PC is having it on an SSD. That helped for me anyway.

[@Speeff]

Wasn't Apex Legends made on Unreal?

[@E_Sunbro]

@@ea-sk8er_775 I run everything on SSDs. Granted they were SATA at the time.

[@ea-sk8er_775]

@@Speeff No it was made on Valve's source engine just like Titanfall 2. Edit** Also Titanfall 1 was also made on Valve's source engine.

[@E_Sunbro]

@@Speeff If it's anything like Titanfall, it's made with a highly modified Source Engine.

[@Pinkeye69]

I was hoping for a screenshot comparison, as the series s version seems slightly blurry compared to other versions, it maybe a upscaling issue as other games have it as well when rendered at 1080p

[@RobCabreraCh]

It took me about halfway through the video to realize that Tom did this video. I thought he had left DF because lately I only see Rick, John, and Alex. Glad to see Tom here!

[@Kekoapono]

It is somewhat strange that the SSDs couldn’t be fully utilized to provide smooth data streaming between areas.

[@DEVILTAZ35]

All they did was use the new SDK, Though obviously not the newest integration , They didn't re-write it for Series X :) .

[@kasonligas6744]

It wasnt made for the series x and ps5 ssd’s. Hopefully the new fallen order game will be

[@vincevirtua]

I’ve found the 30fps 4K a bit jittery. Performance mode is King here.

[@69metersbelow25]

Performance mode is always king.30fps just doesn't get the job done for me.4k 60 is the way to go

[@Ward413]

Yeah I felt the same way. It’s like the refresh rate is brought down to 30hz along with the framerate when not in performance mode. I also noticed input lag when not using the Performance Mode, making combat even more rage inducing.

[@sonumistry8577]

@@69metersbelow25 games like ratchet and clank and spiderman has one of the best 30fps available. Whereas games like control and fallen order 's combat is better at higher framerate.

[@ikj2673]

Yes, this area traversal lag happens in the pc version too. I also installed it on a really high speed ssd, but still has the issue. This is a game engine issue the developers have not implemented the best methods to stream assets in background.

[@Yarondif]

love this game so much! thanks you for your work! you guys are awesome!

[@trebm3]

glad this game has been continually updated as it ran so bad on last gen enhanced consoles.

[@solidsnack2757]

Back ground streaming is a UE4 issue, its a problem in almost every UE4 game across PC and console. And this is a persistent legacy issue thats never been fully addressed from UE3

[@MrVelociraptor75]

Presumably it'll be a focus for UE5, so hopefully, it will be fixed for future games forever

[@HughTolland]

Great video Mr Morgan. Insightful and balanced.

[@SAVAGE-GAMER-]

I really appreciate you make these videos for us..I had a request out if curiosity..would you compare Terminator Resistance on PS4 pro vs PS5? I just got my PS5 collectors edition from LRG and was wondering how much more it's been improved.

[@Blessindisguise]

Btw Activision finally patched in 120hz on Modern Warfare for PS5 maybe do a look back at how stable it is!

[@or1on89]

1080p/120...is going to be super stable without need for a review :P

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@or1on89 Yes and no. Was surprisingly unstable on XSX. Gotta see a framerate test tho too small to make a full video on.

[@Blessindisguise]

@@santhoshsridhar5887 yeah XSX that graph was all over the place lol. I was shocked. So to see maybe an updated stability test would be interesting.

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@Blessindisguise Yeah, I guess the ps5 patch is using the console's full native power as it's running at 2736x1536p and only drops sometimes to 1372x1536p while barely ever dropping to 119fps.

[@CarbonCopy4V]

Every time I play the first two levels I think that a linear, super streamlined uncharted type star wars game would be a perfect fit, I really like fallen order and how it is structured but I would like to see what they could do if they go the cinematic uncharted route

[@NickCheng93]

A lot of people like the open map style, but I agree with you, I'm a big linear game guy and would have liked a nice story to walk through with some satisfying combat

[@THEODSTKING117]

that was what star wars 1313 would've been

[@theyouth2000]

Nice video comparison and analysis. Was hoping that the developers patch up the Wookies' model and fur for next gen. Probably to resemble closer to Star Wars Battlefront II.

[@DravicPL]

Will we get a video breakdown of LEGO Builder's Journey RTX? It comes out tomorrow on PC (Steam and Epic I believe). It is one of the first Unity 3D games utilizing raytracing and it looks absolutely stunning, really chill and relaxing game with puzzles for all ages. Has DLSS etc

[@ScottCastle]

I just wish that the texture streaming was fixed.

[@rickjamesia]

Interesting. That still seems like one the longest load times I’ve seen in a native PS5 game other than Godfall. I’ve only tried about 17 at this point, though. Game is looking pretty great though. Glad I waited for the update.

[@samuelcunningham7045]

It’s jus a native update, the game wasn’t designed for the ps5 hardware in mind, take the new ratchet and clank for example built from the ground up for ps5, there isn’t any loading at all, that game is blazing fast

[@p3wx4]

Metro Exodus?

[@nongmaithemavinash3977]

@@samuelcunningham7045 yeah RE:VII too the loading is like a blink of an eye.

[@D71219ONE]

9:30 “He’s escaping! Oh no! Anyway…”

[@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853]

Popped this game in today on my Xbox One S and boy was there more issues than I remember. Huge frame dips, textures popping in during cutscenes, whole parts of the map not rendered, snail speed loading times. Fun game just not as fun with last gen hardware so it’s good to see this update

[@MaGIKzIIx]

9:21 a perfect roll over a storm trooper to avoid blaster bolts quality 😂.

[@JFPlayeRsDream]

I'm so glad we're getting free updates instead of getting those stupid 60 bucks "Remaster" we used to get in the previous gen, especially with the PS4... EDIT: OH MY GOD. *YES!* Microsoft did it too, so does Nintendo. That wasn't the point of the comment. There, you happy now? You can all calm down, put the fanboy crap away. That's not what I meant. My point was and still is: Anti aliasing, unlocking the frame rate and a little boost in saturation shouldn't cost 60 quids. I brought up the PS4 because it's the one that came to my mind the most. Especially The Last Of Us. THAT'S IT! I'm a happy Series S owner but before that, I was mostly a PC player. I don't care about your console wars. Christ, some of you are unsofferable.

[@leonthesleepy]

exactly. Sony has been giving us these low effort "remasters" for a quick buck. Heck, i would argue they are still trying to do that shit with Spiderman Remastered. I mean look at Metro Exodus, it has a much more substantial upgrade that was free.

[@dondavid822]

Halo MCC==broken 80$ remaster, years of broke multiplayer At least PlayStation games have quality

[@alexisacunaramos5804]

80$? More like 10$ that's what I paid for it in 2016 and that includes 4 games. Also free with game pass. These ponys are hilarious 😂

[@StayFractalesque]

ps3 games had to be 'remastered' for ps4 because the inherent differences between the hardwares.. the ps3 architecture required a completely different code base and couldn't run on a ps4, thats really the only reason.. because ps4 and ps5s are the same architecture, it's much easier to cross gen these older games.. but i agree 💯 its a treat this gen to get all these free updates

[@nicholasharfield8780]

@@leonthesleepy Spider-Man Remastered wasn't awful, it was an extra £20, and it was high quality. Not free, sure, but it wasn't bad, especially as a PS5 incentive

[@crazzy24kane]

Is this an official PS5/XSX upgrade? Does it take advantage of the hepatic/adaptive triggers? Or anything else?

[@Akira-ho9mf]

Hey DF(Alex), will you do a video about Lego Builders Journey. Would be so interesting to have the RTX and other graphical effects analysed.

[@dorondavid4698]

What still bugs me is when you open loot boxes under water, Cal acts as if bb-8 left his shoulder but he never did; the box shakes like he's inside too!

[@DEVILTAZ35]

That is funny :). I like how you can avoid some large monsters and open short cuts too. Some are a chore to fight early on.

[@dorondavid4698]

@@DEVILTAZ35 the stupid f*in toad in the first area I must've tried like 30x and then gave up. Went back when powered up and whooped his ass good 😂

[@alleyday]

I always wondered if these guys ever have actual fun playing videogames...

[@purikanbamroongsuk8867]

for ps5 resolution mode, does the game hit native 4k almost or all the time here? or what resolution does it mostly hit with Dynamic Resolution Scaling (DRS)? Thanks!

[@concinnus]

All I've been waiting for to do a JGM run on PC is an I/O stutter fix and skippable cutscenes. Is that so much to ask, after a year and a half?

[@solo6396]

I wish they would’ve added adaptive trigger functionality. Seems like a huge miss, especially with all the force powers.

[@jyotiwaghmare4100]

Big w for all three consoles, hope they fix the bugs

[@jhamer18]

Me too, it's the bugs that made me lose interest because I kept dying or the game completely bugged out. Its the bugs that is the only issue with this game... That and its tedious and boring to me after some time

[@3KPK3]

Tom is my favourite DF member. Good job as usual Tom.

[@sawdust8691]

Good video. Nice information while getting to watch Cal getting the crap beat out of him by every enemy in the background.😂

[@maybemaybenot8112]

This video reminds me I need to finish this game.

[@ErosMorelli]

Game was pretty good but the in game map was an absolute nightmare 😂

[@overheatedeskim054]

VG Tech is 100% a DF second channel. I've been watching the 2 channel's for awhile now and i notice they both post the same time they both wait same amount of time between each video and DF have mentioned VG Tech

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Gee I wonder why two channels that review new releases post at the same time?

[@hypercombo7202]

Been waiting for this one. 🙌

[@riverstyx9]

Nice to see current gen consoles running last gen games like how they should've ran last gen

[@phillipcesar]

Hoping for a sequence for this masterpiece.

[@Mike-mc5ll]

It's mediocre, c'mon.

[@javedalam5549]

@@Mike-mc5ll Enjoyment of videogames is inherently subjective. Any dark souls fan who played this game would love it. You don't like it. That's fine. In fact it's good. If everyone liked the same thing, we'd all be playing the same game, or at least the same genre of games, which would be boring AF.

[@gabryjel15011984]

There is any differences except resolution between performance and quality mode? Like better shadows or textures.

[@waleedaljaber7989]

thank you Thomas for update.

[@nathanb5579]

So, on ps5 performance mode it still has those hitches? That's the only thing I wanted gone lol

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Yh, i just got a ps5 and im wondering if worth it the ps5 version, or just use the ps4 game in bc mode on ps5, in performance. Wont see much of any graphic upgrade anyhow in action i think more from ps5 version.

[@teddyholiday8038]

I plat’d this game on PS5 last week. Great game with great graphics. I was curious, so afterward I loaded the PS4 Pro version and it felt like they look and perform very similarly. I was shocked how good the PS4 version looks on Ps5

[@ksadik1990]

They had updated the PS4 Version back in January and improved resolution, effects and performance on PS5. The seperate PS5 Version isn't a gigantic leap from the PS5 Enhancements for the current PS4 Version.

[@ramonterrell1897]

Just to make sure I have this right. I have the PS4 disk. If I want the native PS5 version I have to buy it? Or are they talking about downloading the PS5 update for the game?

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@ramonterrell1897 No its a free upgrade. On the ps5 go to the games menu with three little dots and switch version to ps5 and it will download the ps5 native version for free

[@ramonterrell1897]

@@teddyholiday8038 ok thats what I thought thanks a lot!

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@ramonterrell1897 Enjoy

[@Kerrogann]

You forgot the fact they added too much smoke and fog on some instances, there's a cutscene where Cal is fighting the Inquiisitor woman at the beginning and he runs away to jump on the ship. On PS4/XOX the actionis perfectly visible, on PS5/XSX they added somuch fog that we barely see what happens until Cal is on the ship.

[@FixerUK]

At 5:59 where the floor texture looks higher on Series X but at the same time the textures directly behind BD-1 looks lower than One X.

[@wu-bangya4486]

I'm wondering did they add an Achievement for beating game on hardest difficulty?

[@thebaconlife1881]

No. Achievments are all the same

[@wu-bangya4486]

@@thebaconlife1881 Damn

[@lukeglossop19]

Don't think it's enough for me to go back yet, I'm playing metro exodus again anyway though none of my saves carried over for some reason

[@SomeUnkindledAsh]

Mine either. I think its because it's a completely different version of the game. Almost like playing a remastered version

[@lukeglossop19]

@@SomeUnkindledAsh it's says chapters are carried over but not autosaves, but no chapters was there

[@SomeUnkindledAsh]

@@lukeglossop19 oh, I wasn't aware they said that. I just figured it was a different game so to speak. I was planning on starting over anyway.

[@lukeglossop19]

@@SomeUnkindledAsh I wanted to but in new game plus

[@automatik25]

Great video.

[@wolololololol3988]

Hope you guys test Control again. Apparently the latest updates fixed the majority of the heavier frame drops on all platforms and even got rid of those IO stutters on Xbox consoles.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

I need to stick with this game.. It hasn't grabbed my attention. Still only on the 2nd or 3rd level. Visually stunning game.

[@teddybear1342]

I found it rather boring also.

[@jimmelton5846]

Same, started very strong and then I was lost and disinterested. I'd like to give it more time.

[@FJTabb]

Same here, the game started off so good, but the level designs can get kinda of tedious.

[@GmodArgentina]

If you divide the game in 4 parts the ones in the middle are shit but the rest is great

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

I found it very boring in the middle and gave up on it. Disappointing that the lightsaber feels so underpowered, it feels more like battering people with a glowing stick, rather than cutting through them in one hit.

[@xBINARYGODx]

The game needs a Halo-styled "Loading... Done!" message with a firmer pause - I honestly think those hitches (which appear on all platforms) would go over more easily.

[@thekrustaceox5181]

what? no. Those messages are annoying

[@jerchongkong5387]

@@thekrustaceox5181 nah bro, I don't think a little 'loading' message in a corner is an annoying thing. such an attachment would be useful

[@nlikeflynn8837]

Should I get this on PC with a 3070/10900k combo or stick with PS5 with these newest updates??? Does the dualsense add a lot?

[@ASliceOfGamingPodcast]

Was hoping this would help me decide on what to play on, that one console would squeak out on the other in terms of performance. I have the PS4 physical version that I bought at launch with maybe only a few hours in it, and I downloaded it to my Series X due to GamePass. I have a PS5 on the way from finally snagging one on GameStop. So now comes the decision of what console to start over on. Guess I'll do PS5 so that my physical disc gets some use lol

[@Yadavbrand12-y9u]

Shutter on xbox series s not fully optimized

[@smilemore7491]

Same

[@Hybred]

My favorite star trek game

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

🤣

[@LucianLunar]

I still can’t update this game even with the PS4 disk. Nothing happens when I enter the disk, go to the store ( tells me to purchase for 39.99 ) or even restore licenses in the system settings.

[@clayyoder2477]

I’ve never had any visual or game disturbing glitches, I must be on the lucky side

[@KingScotto.]

They could of used the SSD to fix the asset streaming 😔

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

For real! People often assume that SSDs just improve loading, but they do so much more!

[@existentialselkath1264]

Nah, even the pc has the same problem. They could have fixed it if they really wanted to, but it's not a simple drive speed issue

[@KingScotto.]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 SSDs are more important for asset streaming and texture streaming

[@Elias_g1]

No, asset streaming isn't necessarily an SSD problem. It may be a GPU limitation.

[@KingScotto.]

@@Elias_g1 It's not loading in the next areas fast enough you can see it sometime

[@Schadows77]

Doesn't really surprise me. The game visuals and perfs have been upgraded, but they didn't the underlying streaming and loading tech just for a remaster. As Insomniac dev explained in a previous interview about the tech behind Ratchet & Clank, just using the PS5 storage architecture wasn't enough and they now had problems processing the huge amont of data retrieve from the SSD. Be it because the loading tech isn't multi-threaded enough, or just not made to process so much data in such a short time (even if assisted with dedicated chipsets, it's sometime faster to have data less compressed to load faster XD), some structuring changes are sometimes required to take advantage of the new features and its not always profitable to do that much work (which requires lot of QA too) "just" for a remaster which probably won't increase sales.

[@kclink1579]

Last year when I completed twice in a row I can't remember any glitches. (outside of one.)

[@8BitPuppets]

Tom is a mentor of knowledge

[@__73__]

i already got platinum man, this game is really good!

[@NeThsDomain]

it's a 3/10 platinum though. No difficulty related trophies unfortunately to make it more of a challenge.

[@__73__]

@@NeThsDomain i dont get it, my trophy just 100% n i repeat this game 2 times with jedi difficulty, correct me if im wrong....

[@dutchguy1807]

Great game but the map annoyed the f out of me. So confusing.

[@javedalam5549]

It took a while to get used to for sure, but I found that after some time it was okay. Definitely could have been better, no disagreement there.

[@kevinuribe318]

How come it was annoying? I never played this game but it’s $13 on the PlayStation store and been thinking about getting it but I’m not sure still.

[@dutchguy1807]

@@kevinuribe318 It was just really unclear overall. Hard to find out which path to take, where to go to get somewhere you wanted on the map etc, for 13 bucks i would definitely get it tho especially with the next gen upgrades as its a very decent game all things considered. I mean i am not even in to star wars and i liked it.

[@jace888au]

So is there any reason to choose one next gen console over the other for Fallen Order? I note PS5 version is currently slightly cheaper than XSX.

[@SG0041]

Played this game on my ps4 pro when it first released was a great experience! Definitely gonna get it back to play it on my ps5 after I finish squadrons

[@sablemae8853]

I can't wait until we actually get to next gen comparisons instead of these upgraded last gen games. These updates are good but we need to see what these consoles can do on new games

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

Demon Souls is a thing you know...

[@sablemae8853]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 yeah I'm playing it as we speak. I'm talking about a next gen game on that is on both consoles that isn't also on last gen. Just about every third party game is running cross gen or we get upscaled versions like metro or last Jedi. I can't compare demon souls because it's an exclusive

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

@@sablemae8853 Doom Eternal next gen update shows Series X playing at 1800p 120fps while PS5 barely gets 1560p. The difference shouldn't be that big, but maybe it will be more apparent in the future.

[@sablemae8853]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 I don't care about a next gen update. Those aren't full utilization of everything that these consoles can do. I'm talking about a game that's not an update that's not on last gen and only on the new generation. All I want is a full this gen game to compare.

[@sablemae8853]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 don't get me wrong it's nice to have these updates but it doesn't show how fast next gen games can load and we're only getting a makeup job on these updated games.

[@Nolasco.]

Going to buy this for the ps5, the phisical version ofc. Thanks for the video Tom 💕

[@mylesfrost335]

its on sale right now on on psn

[@Marqjosh]

Since it was on gamepass I gave it a go on my series x really kind of disappointed with the stutters but other than that visually stunning game and the combat is quite enjoyable. 👍👍 thanks for dropping this requested video DF!!

[@adamtimmins8516]

Stutters on everything, its engine not console,but compared to last gen it runs so much better on series x as in fps in game play

[@solidsnake5700]

Is there any support of haptic feedback or the adaptive triggers on ps5?

[@sneakkyz3696]

I thought my series x froze cuz the loading took so long

[@DEVILTAZ35]

It is sometimes quicker to just restart the console and restart the game than it is to load from a checkpoint lol . I hope it gets patched soon. The exact same issue is happening with Ghost Busters remastered on Series X too . It's just an Xbox one X back compat title that runs at 60 anyway but the loading from checkpoints sometimes breaks entirely or takes minutes.

[@misha90two]

definitely better than the new film trilogy

[@Kazeromaru]

Let's not talk about the lightsaber when you turn the camera... looks like a Block of Lightsaber

[@krissrock]

did anyone else notice that the ps4 native vs the PS5 version, on the ps5 version there was a loss of Black levels? the contrast or gamma was increased vs the ps4 version resulting in loss of detail (shadow crush) @6:20