Star Wars: Jedi Survivor Patch 9 is Finally Denuvo DRM-Free! Is it Any Better?

[@TerraWare]

Quick correction at 2:40 I made a mistake regarding average FPS gains. It should be 15% with patch 9, not 31%.

[@yurgen95]

This is why I don't usually buy games on day 1, paying more for a Bad experience.

[@TerraWare]

Can't blame you, if it wasnt for my channel I'd rarely buy games day one unless it was a game I'm very excited to play.

[@22Chad_Reed22]

same didn't get wukong because of denuvo

[@robertsylvester3542]

lol you are absolutely on point with that comment lol my dumb ass couldn’t wait 😂and holy bugs!! I mean 3/4 of what I have played had been great but, the crashes, the freezes the frustration of hey what the hell I swear I touched that damn wire over 50 times retrying certain challenges and I’m sure some I have done at least 100 times. 😂 yeah I love the game. And if they fixed the issues. I seriously would give it a 10 and I know that is pretty high rating but I honestly love it so far. And I’m on ps4 pro.

[@djoetma]

Well, most games won't get rid of Denuvo...

[@erisium6988]

while i dont play much AAA games i prefer to play esport and i just buy AAA for 10-20euro to have something to play if i am bored, I have to say that people really overcry on release, i bought cyberpunk on release since day 1 and i completed it with pretty much every quest and i didnt had any game breaking bug. I replayed it with mods after 2.0 patch and with phantom liberty and its even better, but i cant say it was bad experience on day one. But i had it on GOG without any crap i can run it with .exe without launcher.

[@Carlton_Banks]

3:12 52% gain on 1% lows is an *insane* gain without Denuvo, it's crazy.

[@TerraWare]

Yeah without ray tracing there's some impressive CPU gains.

[@EvaEvaCoco]

This is irrelevant. The patch improved performance, not just removed Denuvo.

[@Afi_Vervilles]

@@EvaEvaCoco They probably just removing denuvo and called it performance fix

[@EvaEvaCoco]

@@Afi_Vervilles Who am I to forbid you from believing in any idiocy?

[@erisium6988]

@@EvaEvaCoco u belive they did any optimalization after such a long time? And u call his believe idiocy?

[@L0rd_0f_War]

Very nice comparison video. Just what I wanted to see. Keep up the good work.

[@TerraWare]

Thanks. Enjoy

[@HankBaxter]

Prayers answered! Might have to buy it now. You're a legend, my man. 😁

[@TerraWare]

Enjoy it. I wish I could play it from the beginning without remembering it lol

[@Azooart]

@@TerraWare FACTS, didnt it feel like a 60$ movie with 10$ gameplay? i wiish i could go back also

[@pf100andahalf]

I played some of jedi survivor last night and I could definitely tell almost immediately that it runs better now. With a 4090, before the new patch I had to turn off ray tracing to play it smoothly. Now I can turn on ray tracing and it plays smoothly. Patch 9 is a huge improvement. Also, great video.

[@TerraWare]

Ray tracing looks quite nice in this game. I was kind of obsessed when the game came out lol, got it with my 7800X 3D purchase I think, spent so much time in photo mode, the attention to detail even with random objects in the game was truly impressive and ray tracing gives it that nice bump to immersion and visual fidelity.

[@oropher1234]

@@TerraWare Well, it used to look good, but not anymore imo... The lighting actually looks flatter with RT enabled, only the reflections are alot better with it enabled. And i also still get alot of stuttering compared with RT off, so for me turning it off is mostly a win/win situation.

[@TerraWare]

@@oropher1234 They've changed it? I played it when it first came out I remember it looking pretty decent. Used it a lot for photo mode but turned it off in the areas where it introduced a lot of stutter. Unfortunately RT still cripples CPU performance in the game and the only fix is future faster CPU's

[@oropher1234]

@@TerraWare I am not so sure what they did, maybe they just improved the quality of the picture without it so much, that the quality with it is now less. Because i do remember the game looking alot of worse without RT when it launched.

[@oropher1234]

@@TerraWare I just did some further testing on my end and RT still stutters like hell for me on a 13600kf and 4080... The town area of Koboh is better, but if you go freeroaming the game just stalls even mid-combat. There are many games out there that do not stutter even when CPU limited. But Unreal Engine never fails to amuse in that regard.

[@mad_mario_]

Better late than never! Also you might be the only one who compared the latest patch atm 😄 Gratz for the great work 👏

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

The latest patch gave me new hope for this game for sure. I stopped playing at around Patch 6 as the lows and stuttering were just too bad, and Patch 6 introduced crashing for me, which I never had. But after testing Patch 9 I am actually excited to play the game from the start.

[@TerraWare]

It's a pretty good game.

[@lewisferguson8692]

You could say it gave you ... a new hope?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

@@lewisferguson8692 🤣🤣🤣

[@TerraWare]

Patch 9 brings some much needed improvements as far as CPU utilization for Jedi Survivor. It still needs a bit more work but better performance is always welcome. What do yall think. LMK down below. Cheers!

[@cipherbenchmarks]

Nice videos bro, putting in work.

[@TerraWare]

@@cipherbenchmarks Thanks! Trying to when I can.

[@xyzxyz-l8i]

Does this patch works with older nvidia drivers like 531.68 ?

[@TerraWare]

It should yeah

[@Genti2Fast]

I get too high ram usage like 25gb ram with a 6800xt 16gb card. This might be the worst cpu optimized game I ve ever seen. A 7800x3d the best gaming cpu in the market and can't hold 60fps...

[@ColdFear6666]

It's only optimized for consoles, they don't care about PC. EA just removed Denuvo so the crybabies will buy it now and they'll get more money. XD

[@zedoreboco8242]

Before or after the patch?

[@7evan]

@@ColdFear6666 but it ran like shit consoles until the patches too lol

[@lvaItix]

@@ColdFear6666 No now you can download re-packs 😌😏

[@rasluffi]

I was just hunting achievements in Survivor last night and started New Game+ to get my last two. Im on Xbox X though. Best game I've played in a long while.

[@oropher1234]

Coruscant actually has one part that is way more demanding on the CPU than anything else in the game, similar to what some later planets also have. It is the part where you climb the ships in the end resulting in the first boss fight of the game. The fastest CPU's dipped below 40 fps in that area of the game, i may test myself if that is improved, but i don't think so.. It seems like some massive bug they are probably not capable of fixing.

[@TerraWare]

I'm sure there's proble.atic areas sprinkled throughout.

[@epi23]

I may finally play this game after the Ultra+ mod gets updated for Patch 9. The Denuvo maybe costs up to 5% in CPU-limited scenarios, so it actually got better optimized.

[@TerraWare]

It's a very good game. As a Star Wars fan it's been one of the only games in a very long time that felt like I was immersed in the SW universe but the gameplay is really good too. Well voice acted, a diverse selection of areas to explore, nice graphics and is probably cheap these days. Included with Game Pass I think too.

[@epi23]

@@TerraWare yeah, you don't have to convince me because it's in Game Pas, haha. Just checked some Denuvo results and it can have a big impact on percentile lows and that's what we see. But for RT it actually also got better optimized like the patch states.

[@86Fallowcp]

Heads up, Ultra+ lowers 10 fps to the game due to the changes to the settings made. It just lowers hitch ups a lot

[@quiet6088]

they were 100% obligated to add some performance improvements with this patch so all the blame couldnt lie with denuvo

[@TheErlend87]

@@quiet6088 Thats exactly what I was thinking too. Shame, if they just removed denuvo before patching a bit later we would really have proof about how bad donuvo is!

[@TerraWare]

That's how I feel which is why I didn't make it all about or credit all improvements to Denuvo being removed. It would've been popular to do so. I want to be fair.

[@DJDarthVader]

i hav tried 10 repacks, all are either stuck unpacking or i run the game and it goes to black screen after intro -.- DODI, FITGIRL...failed

[@CrackedTubeGamer]

just buy it you weasel

[@birdsoup777]

It sucks when you like a multi platform release and it can't run right on the platform you prefer. I love this game and running on similar hardware. It stuttered regardless of any setting. I will check this patch later as I'm downloading now.

[@TerraWare]

I agree. I'd recommend just keeping ray tracing disabled for best results even if you have a beast GPU

[@PhotoJohn80]

I still feel like RT has some weird stuttering issues. Like something just doesn’t feel smooth. I can’t put my finger on it but it just doesn’t feel smooth like when RT is disabled

[@TerraWare]

I know what you mean.

[@VovanUA-]

Something wrong with your calculations, my friend. At 2:41 base fps is 64 and after patch it's 74, but it's not a 31% gain, 84 fps would be a 31% gain, when 74 is only 15.5% gain.

[@TerraWare]

Yes I messed that up in editing

[@oropher1234]

The high CPU requirement of RT in this game is purely because UE4 never was build with RT support in mind. In most Engines the cost of RT is way less on the CPU than in UE4. However there are other games with similar issues, such as Hitman. And of course there always is a hit on CPU performance. But in Jedi Survivor it just doesn't make sense.

[@crestofhonor2349]

I don't recall other UE4 games having this high CPU usage with RT on. Hogwarts Legacy doesn't tax the CPU nearly as hard as this game does when turning on RT. Same goes for other UE4 titles like Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice, Fortnite(back when it was still UE4), and Persona 3 Reload

[@oropher1234]

@crestofhonor2349 hogwarts legacy does not use the cpu but still is bottlenecked by it... you get low gpu and low cpu utilization

[@Edgerunner_2O77]

Man....im facing Texture Glitches 😞patch 9 is so Broken!!!!!!

[@batman-rebirth5217]

am debating on whether to leave on rt because of the 1% lows

[@TerraWare]

Know what you mean, I like RT but in this game it slaps the 1% lows even if you have a solid GPU/CPU

[@batman-rebirth5217]

@@TerraWare my setup is a 4090 13900k and the 1% lows feel atrocious when Rt is on

[@HybOj]

Damn, it uses 5gb to 6gb less of VRAM in patch 9 without RT

[@TerraWare]

It does yeah. I imagine this may have something to do with optimizations they've made for the last gen console port.

[@samb4591]

i'm getting avg 120fps with 8700k 4.8GHz and 3080ti @ 2GHz 1440p max settings. Edit: with DLSS Quality and FrameGen Mod. Some minor bugs from FG though.

[@jimmyramos1989]

I don’t care about FPS gains. What really matters are those frame times and stutters

[@gamingoptimized]

VRAM usage also seems to be much less now

[@TerraWare]

Yes it is much better. I was so focused on crunching numbers missed that one. Makes me wonder if Denuvo gobbles up VRAM HAHA

[@Funnky]

@@TerraWare Denuvo has nothing to do with VRAM usage.

[@TerraWare]

@@Funnky I know, it was a joke

[@soplam9555]

does wild hearts have a drm issue too?

[@TerraWare]

It did and the devs accidentally removed it with an update. Not sure about now. On the Steam page it only lists the EA App as the DRM.

[@Ilestun]

Denuvo is in many games, including Black Myth Wukong

[@Pandemonium088]

DLSS seems to be broken on patch9, if you change any video setting, dlss turns off until the next re launch of the game.

[@86Fallowcp]

That's been a problem since Patch 8

[@Pandemonium088]

@@86Fallowcp Good to know, I didnt play the game until recently, since release.

[@Accuaro]

And Denuvo said their parasite of a technology doesn't impact frames. Yeah, right.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Most of this wasn't even Denuvo's fault. The game had plenty of other technical issues

[@anukthotawatta982]

@@crestofhonor2349 so you're sayin, they waited more than a year doing nothing about them? that's BS. if they could have fixed performance issues they would've done it few weeks or months from release. its 100% denuvos fault. now my copy runs at 75fps(my monitor refresh rate) consistently. The difference is night and day

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@anukthotawatta982 That's not how it works. Their patches did some things but you have to realize they also ported to PS4 and Xbox One. PS5 and Series X also had similar issues regarding CPU performance tanking the frame rate on the consoles as well. The current game wouldn't have worked being so CPU heavy. Respawn also had similar issues with Fallen order on PS4 and Xbox One too. Denuvo doesn't decrease performance by up to 40% like shown here in any game

[@shepard21]

no drm? does it mean fitgirl/dodi soon?

[@The_Gent]

It's alrdy up

[@TheGoodDoctorSRB]

I disabled RT and use reshade, it looks miles better with reshade. For the miniscule difference of RT, performance cost is not justified in my opinion...

[@jetsp]

Suttering dont dissapear.

[@setupandey4819]

That's an unreal engine 5 issue unfortunately

[@Dusky_20]

@@setupandey4819 it's ue4

[@user-ye7lp9lg1c]

​@@setupandey4819 this is not ue5 game

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@setupandey4819 The game doesn't use UE5. It uses UE4

[@As_Ss]

Sadly this proves nothing regarding denuvo as with the patch they also optimized things and there i so no way to tell which had more influence on the perf uplift. If it was only removing denuvo then it would be clear, but it didn't. Also they will still release the game on last gen consoles and they have probably optimized it a lot for them to run it, so they could transfer at least some of that heavy optimization to PC, they already have done it anyway, so that the rare case they could actually patch more PC issues after so much time.

[@user-cg2gk1yw7w]

I wish they added Nvidia Reflex natively. Especially considering they did most of the work and already added Nvidia frame Gen

[@Funnky]

It has NVIDIA Reflex, it gets enabled with FG from what I see.

[@user-cg2gk1yw7w]

@Funnky I didn't know that. Though I'd love to have it as a proper standalone option so it can work for those that don't have a 40-serie gpu

[@BYwillard]

Ps4 and Xbox one?

[@TerraWare]

I don't focus much on console.

[@VolatileVix]

Traversal stutter was terrible on PC for Jedi Fallen Order as well. On PS5 it was almost completely gone which must mean the PC was less optimized. I hope they move away from this engine, it doesn't seem very well optimized especially for semi open world.

[@TerraWare]

Yeah UE4 has some crappy issues. UE5 is better in this regard but still not great.

[@StrontSkower]

The image quality improvement you get from RT is not worth the chunk of FPS you loose (in this game). Don't get me wrong, RT is awesome! ...But smooth gameplay is king! This video shows one of the reasons why I never buy games at launch. Wait a year or so and you'll have a way better experience for a lower price and often with DLC included. Don't jump on the hype train!

[@TerraWare]

Can't really argue with that.

[@paulmers9112]

from 64 to 74 average is 10 more,is 16% and not 31%.I am doctor,not a genius.

[@TerraWare]

Yeah I cocked that one up

[@PatrickGabriel-j5g]

I'm still disappointed, in koboh I have a r5500 rtx 4060 and it still has a lot of stuttering and drops to 40 frames even running on low without RT and with FG

[@TerraWare]

CPU optimization in this game still needs a lot of work. I can only imagine how rough the 5500 must be in Koboh.

[@PatrickGabriel-j5g]

@@TerraWare It's inexplicable how bad this engine is, I run Horizon Forbidem smoothly and the game has much better mechanics and graphics. Honestly, I wanted a refund but it's already been more than 2 hours.

[@PatrickGabriel-j5g]

@@TerraWare I reinstalled the game, let's see if anything changes.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

The GPU is still not being fully utilised. This game will never be where it should be in terms of performance.

[@TerraWare]

To be fair that would be difficult for majority of games to do with a 4090 at 1080P

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@TerraWare That may be so, but not when the fps is barely surpassing 60FPS and when RT is enabled.

[@jorge69696]

Remember the game is being ported to the PS4. I'm sure that's where most of the gains came from even if Denuvo is most noticeable in cpu heavy games.

[@asdtyuv]

💯

[@TerraWare]

That makes sense

[@stangamer1151]

I am pretty sure the improvement in terms of CPU performance was solely due to Denuvo removal. I do not belive the devs were not able to fix this issue for more than a year. Same thing happened with SWJFO. When the devs removed Denuvo CPU performance improved significantly. And The Callisto Protocol also runs much better since Denuvo was removed. Denuvo simply makes UE4 games unplayable. The engine itself stutters pretty frequently, but with the DRM the situation gets so much worse! I bet when (if) Dead Space remake and Hogwarts Legacy are freed from Denuvo chains, they will run much better as well.

[@TerraWare]

Yeah i have to agree. UE4 and Denuvo not a good mix.

[@86Fallowcp]

Nope, Denuvo was only used in loading screens and whenever you start the game. After that it wouldn't interfere with your game at all. The main problems are how the game reads the code and how the engine tries to read the same code, both colliding on what to do and resulting in very slow calculations.

[@stangamer1151]

@@86Fallowcp Then why every single game that drops Denuvo, improves CPU performance? I am not only talking about UE4 games. Forspoken, Dying Light 2, Metro Exodus and Detroit: Become Human - CPU performance of all these games improved as well, once Denuvo was removed. Those horrible massive stutters in UE4 games (up to 300 ms) are happening only when Denuvo is in the game. Without Denuvo they are much smaller (less than 100 ms). It is clear for me than this particular DRM does function thought the whole gaming process, checking something from time to time.

[@spaidakula]

Developers should realize know drm hurts fps and it's bad for everyone how play games

[@ArkoAncelo]

64 to 75 isn't 31%.

[@TerraWare]

Yes was a mistake on my part obviously when editting

[@aviatedviewssound4798]

Curse you Denuvo, curse youuuuu!!!!!

[@The_Gent]

DeNuVo DoEsNt EffEct PeRrOrMaNcE

[@KevlarkKevlarich]

5800x3d cannot provide stable 60fps with tracing, there is a video on my channel. Whereas even 13600 provides about 100 fps in the same gaming area. 13600 is almost 2 times faster than 5800x3d in this game. AMD is crap!

[@SwurvGaming]

Ya, I'm going Intel on my next build. Amd cup is nice but it seems to only be better when paired with an AMD GPU.

[@user-ye7lp9lg1c]

sounds like an issue on your side

[@JoangelMartinez-n9y]

this definitely confirms that denuvo affect games performance even if they don't want to admit it

[@Kira-qc4qi]

@@JoangelMartinez-n9y it's staggering how many people don't understand basic concepts, like the difference between correlation and causation.

[@Mythicalgoon]

Theres so many examples of games where denuvo gets removed and nothing changes but yall wanna keep beating this dwad horse huh? You even said yourself that it couldve been other optimizations but then followed it up with "but im sure denuvo played a part" bruh based on what?😂

[@suinsarbayev2191]

Denuvo in fact has an impact to the performance, you would know that if you did a little research on how the Virtual machine based security mechanism works, basically it reservers one or more cores to run denuvo in a secure environment to provide a drm capabilities

[@86Fallowcp]

@@suinsarbayev2191 Denuvo only takes resources away from the game in loading screens and nowhere else to keep the gameplay clean. You would know that if you did a little reserarch.

[@TerraWare]

Based of what I think. Just my opinion. I also said it could be due to optimizations they have made too. Make of it what you will.

[@anukthotawatta982]

both lies of p and jedi survivor i played with and without danuvo. the difference is night and day. denuvo had both of those games stuttering like every 5 mins

[@NateT3]

@@86Fallowcp It doesn't matter if it's 50% or 0.00001% performance hit we don't want a malware installed together with the games that we bought with our own money.

[@ElSarcastro]

This is why, for a long time, i refuse to buy denuvo games. Denton is punishment for not pirating, it seems, but I prefer not to play the game at all than to support the trash drm

[@VS_Gamer84]

DENUVO ... Just mess-up the game performance as always....

[@asdtyuv]

What’s up with the entire internet blaming denuvo. Yeah i get it denuvo sucks and does use resources, but majority of the gains from this update are for sure from optimizations due to last gen port

[@86Fallowcp]

its a boogey man for these people, what's funnier is that they call you a white knight just for calling out their bullshit. Idc if a game has denuvo or not but I'm gonna be really clear if you someone is spreading miss information

[@twodayhero5139]

Honestly it’s been a whole better experience. For Outlaw, they need an option to turn off the mandatory ray tracing. The game would run better tbh. Why it’s a mandatory feature is mind boggling

[@Chuck15]

Denuvo is terrible

[@TerraWare]

Yessir

[@OmnianMIU]

Denuvo LoL

[@Nicolo-ue9xu]

Then company say denuvo dont hurt performance lmao

[@Funnky]

I doubt this performance increase is because of Denuvo.

[@RJTHEGAME]

That's why i'm not against piracy They ruin our experience as gamers with this DRM crap so..

[@86Fallowcp]

DRM was only used in loading screens

[@Slambear]

Are you saying outlaws isn’t a good game? Lmao😂

[@TerraWare]

Actually I am not. I have been playing it actually am about 40 hours into Outlaws and I think people are being too harsh on it because of Ubisoft and the main character design decision, which is stuff I agree with to many extents but the game has been enjoyable. As for it being a good immersive Star Wars experience, not necessarily lol.

[@Slambear]

@@TerraWare just messing around. I haven’t played it, but ubisofts recent games avatar and this seem like copy paste except for a theme, avatar vs Star Wars. I enjoyed fallen order and Jedi survivor, but I just don’t see outlaws being worth 70. Especially with all the AAAA nonsense with skull and bones. Will pick it up once it’s discounted around 20-30 though.

[@Slambear]

@@TerraWare great video btw. One of few people actually covering patch 9.

[@The_Legend117]

Nothing do with Denuvo it just unreal engine its trash ..

[@RogerExplodey]

I’m not sure if you noticed, but you’re commenting on a video of a side by side comparison that shows an undeniable performance improvement between having Denuvo and not having Denuvo.

[@suinsarbayev2191]

AMDippp continues its traditions, 7800X3D despite providing a good avg fps is a stuttery mess when it comes to the 1% and 0.1% lows, im surprised a lot of the hw bloggers dont take this fact for the consideration. Even older Intel 12900K has more stable frametime at 0.1 and 1% lows despite having lower avg fps

[@blakvein]

It funny how this game had terrible problem with performance on start. Yet nobody removed denuvo. They care only about money, delivering good product is a joke for them

[@TerraWare]

It's definitely better than it was but its still not great as far as performance. Its too bad because I really like the game personally.