Star Wars THE ACOLYTE - Fight Scene Autopsy

The time has come to analyse the sight scenes of episode 5 from Star Wars THE ACOLYTE in this episode of FIGHT SCENE AUTOPSY
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[@poboxchristmas380]

"She spins, because it's not her turn yet" 😂

[@Extinctor100]

Just like the Obi-Wan / Anakin / Dooku fight in ROTS?

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@Extinctor100 nope

[@ignaciomoreno9655]

I think that she went to the same sword school than the Elite Praetorian Guard of Supreme Leader Snoke of the Last Jedi. 🤣🤣🤣

[@AnnihilatedBrainsample]

Shad: where was Soul? Answer: he despawnd, because he was off screen.

[@lotharrenz4621]

Schrödingers' Jedi? XD

[@KoljaBeckmann_music]

AfK 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aleprechaun8972]

Maybe meditating.

[@jamespruitt4756]

if it's a David Pryor movie...anything off screen doesn't exist anyway :P

[@adamjenkins7653]

Object permanence is such a difficult concept for people these days...

[@Blurns]

Not 16 minutes in and I'm starting to think a boot with a lightsaber attachment might be a good idea.

[@jimminystew]

Or a butter knife. Easier to strap on and waayyy more deadly.

[@davidbitton5687]

🤣

[@charlesco7413]

The movie KRULL had a spinning flying blade that cut through anything. Why wouldn't Jedi use drones?

[@chrisalvarez4298]

Every kick lands here but if they added boots with lightsabers I guarantee 100% of kicks with them would miss, instead they would throw punches that would land.

[@Blurns]

@@chrisalvarez4298 Lol, yeah, that's the point. Give them blasters and it'd look like that rooftop shootout scene from Naked Gun.

[@kevlarandchrome]

"They don't know what to do with the third person." They didn't know what to do with the first two either Shad.

[@worthlesshuman5041]

They didn't know what to do with the lightsaber of one, the lightsaber of two, the lightsaber of manyyyy

[@imallin971]

I almost spit out my drink

[@conmanay4563]

Power Rangers actually had a decent 3 on 1 sword exchange in 2001, and when you slow it down, it actually works!

[@mreggs3731]

@@worthlesshuman5041please don't

[@conmanay4563]

It was only one exchange, and the yellow ranger didn’t get in on the swinging but it was still way better than this garbage . The point stands that it’s possible to make a 3 on 1 sword exchange work, but because that fight scene was choreographed by people who knew what they were doing, two or three of the rangers get knocked away so the choreography can stay fluid and fast without huge gaps like in this garbage

[@xinj6142]

The 3 deadly sins of fight scenes - Waiting for my turn to attack, aiming for the weapon instead of the body and using non-lethals unnecessarily.

[@tuazulyrojoeljean]

Preach!

[@jamescallanan2443]

@@xinj6142 1. That's how Jedi fight. They don't gang up. 2. That's dome for the safety of the actors 3. Again, Jedi way

[@Olivia-W]

​@@jamescallanan2443 2. That's what good choreography and filming angles have to make up for. 3.

[@FeepingCreature]

@@jamescallanan2443 1. Episode 1...? Qui-Gon was a bad Jedi? 3. Luke did not want to fight his father. So he turned his saber off. He didn't try to fight Vader nonlethally. If you fight, fight to win. If you're not trying to win, stop fighting! Force users have many options to disengage.

[@jamescallanan2443]

@@FeepingCreature 1. Two on one isn't "ganging up," especially when one of the two is a padawan 3. Luke is purposely a different kind of Jedi. His training was nothing like the training Sol and the others would have gotten "If you fight, fight to win." Winning doesn't always mean killing. Obviously, arresting Qimir is more useful so they can get information about him "Force users have many options to disengage." How are they supposed to arrest Qimir without fighting him?

[@CmdrBrannick]

As Count Dooku would say "I've been looking forward to this."

[@arklaw8306]

Twice the length, double the fun.

[@IBW_3000]

One of my old schools temporarily offered sword fighting as an elective and my teacher would not stop dunking on Star Wars. I can’t even imagine the Eminem-worthy roast he’d have for this.

[@Retribution8]

I saw this, saw that it was an hour and twenty two minutes and realized how gloriously they must've failed. This is going to be beautiful

[@Two-Scoops-]

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[@mercuryshadow09]

For what amounted to about a 20 minute fight scene if that. It was truly the worst fight scene I've seen in any show. And I've watched a lot of bad 80's action movies.

[@Mr_Snifflez]

@@mercuryshadow09haven’t seen the original Star Wars movies either then eh?

[@jojo_sanders5342]

It's simple but definitely not bad. ​@@Mr_Snifflez

[@Mr_Snifflez]

@@jojo_sanders5342 the fight between obi wan and Vader in the original movie is definitely bad

[@mummifiedgamer]

I would describe the fight scenes in the acolyte as people awkwardly trying to not hit each other until the plot demands it.

[@nathansuss]

Fr

[@alexandersolodovnikov4840]

Based

[@user-rz1mq1qo3v]

So like all the prequels and Star Wars no media in general ??

[@rotorwing9987]

I do wonder if they plan out on paper when all the clashes/potentially lethal blows happen and then "add weight" to those moments and "make it interesting" by filing the rest of the time with glow stick dance choreograph

[@j.m.turner1756]

As compared to Kenobi, where characters awkwardly hit each other, but only get hurt when the plot demands it.

[@JaimieSch]

The number of times Smilo Ren doges head shots, when the helmet would have just deactivated the lightsaber if it made contact, is insane. He is actively trying to not take full advantage of his armor, in order to extend the fights.

[@balintkovacs4089]

He does indeed spare his helmet as much as possible, but for a reason that is only explained by him after the helmet breaks. Its primary purpose is to block the Jedi from sensing his thoughts and intentions through the Force. That subconscious precognition is what their whole combat technique is based around from duelling to deflecting blaster shots. Since a cortosis helmet would break from repeated lightsaber strikes, Qimir prioritized being able to surprise his opponents even if it meant a longer fight, rather just using it to overpower 2-3 Jedi then be left telepathically vulnerable when there were still more living than dead Jedi.

[@jamescallanan2443]

@@JaimieSch it's almost as if there's a reason for it...

[@jasonalen7459]

@@balintkovacs4089 It seems more like the lightsabers are what break upon contact, not the cortosis...

[@balintkovacs4089]

@@jasonalen7459 On the initial contact, yes, but each strike still strains the material. Repeated lightsaber strikes have been shown in the comics as something capable of eventually breaking a cortosis ore boulder. Compared to that, even this relatively thick helmet which doesn't even have the impurities of being raw ore anymore - which ironically would physically reinforce it - would have given in if Qimir used it for every attack against him. Of course the number of attacks would decrease as the jedi's number went down but even so there were three of them - Sol, Jecki and Yorm - whom he had to separate from the others in order to easily kill.

[@aaronjustice2566]

​@@balintkovacs4089im not a star wars nerd but first thing i read is that it is essentially undamage indicating they wouldnt be able to hit it enough. Youd have to just endlessly beat on it. Makes most sense to just break it with a non energy melee.

[@CyAnKS93]

To jump off from that point- Qui-Gon already said Obi-Wan was ready for the trials. Kenobi was a full knight in everything but name at that point. Bro was like 25. Jecki on the other hand i had to double check to age to make sure the romance plotline was even legal

[@camber_courtney5250]

Wait... is the romance even legal?

[@paweplaczek2191]

@@camber_courtney5250 age of consent laws extend in some countries even to fictional characters.

[@DerQuoi]

@@paweplaczek2191 to their defense, it all happens a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, so our laws haven't been put into place yet. its the same with anakin and his warcrimes, technically it all happened before the geneva convention.. :)

[@theevermind]

Also, Obi-Wan was a great Jedi.

[@CyAnKS93]

@@camber_courtney5250 The actress is 19. The character is (very pointedly) stated in interviews to be 18. So, yes. Just barely

[@robertjensen1438]

My friend just told me he’s got these little lightsaber chopsticks he uses when he eats ramen. I told him he should use the forks.

[@vyntarus9618]

Soba! You seek soba!

[@Grandwigg]

There is a time for the blade, and a time for the forks, a time for the sauce blaster, a time for the . . . blue-green milk? Maybe not that last one.

[@anderporascu5026]

Chopsticks are for rounder and more solid food. Forks handle noodles and whatever is slippery.

[@HoundMonkey]

I hate you...

[@crispybacon9917]

@@anderporascu5026 it's a joke bro, the forks/the force

[@Jaster_Mereel]

This is my favorite version of Shad- he gets so animated when he gets pedantic about swords and swordfighting.

[@yourturn5059]

I don’t watch the Acolyte, but I heard some people raving about this episode for its "best fight scenes ever!" I knew as soon as I saw that that this video was coming next! Thank you for your service, Shad!💪🙏

[@shotnuke]

Also for power scaling -Obiwan when he was a padawa: 25 years old and stated ready for the trials. -maul had to separate qui-gon and obiwan in order to have a chance. Struggled with 2 opponents. - padawan Anakin 19 years old and literal force Jesus. faced count duku and got the smoke not once but twice. Lost an arm in the process. - Duku known for being a master duelist also made sure to take out Anakin before facing obiwan to keep the fight 1v1 as much as possible. -Ashoka as a padawan was 14 years old. Later on as she got older and developed as a fighter she faced general grievous and almost died barely running away. She also faced maul by the 7th season where she was 17 but went through years of training from the chosen one Anakin skywalker and grew up during a time of war which fast tracked her experience gain greatly. Now for the acolyte -jacki stated by the show to be mid teens so 14 years old. During a time of peace and has next to no experience. Goes toe to toe with what’s her face who killed 2 masters and a Sith Lord who is stronger than duku and maul based on his feats alone. -smilo Ren since this takes place 100 years before episode 1 and palpatine is 52 during episode 1 then this guy is around 48 years before palpatine is born. That being said he is one of 3 people seeing as he is a Sith and stated to be. 1) he’s Darth Plagues (Disney would change his race to human cause they’re dumb). 2) he’s darth plagues master. 3) he’s darth plagues apprentice before palpatine. By all rights this makes him stronger than maul and duku. So a girl her age with no experience going toe to toe with this guy is like having season 1 Ashoka fight off palpatine and doing very well. Which is dumb as fuck.

[@blarfroer8066]

Darth Plagueis's master is Darth Tenebrous. Darth Plagueis would be a teenager during this show at most.

[@shotnuke]

@@blarfroer8066 remember Disney said anything in legends isn’t cannon and most likely only used as a very very lose representation. That being said plagues is mentioned by name in episode 3. So they can change his race, gender, and age as they please as well as his master or apprentice if they choose. Either way still makes for a problem setting this 100 years because of plagues. I would assume both he or his master whoever they choose to pick would be smarter than letting 20 Jedi know they exist.

[@mpnuorva]

Also a note about Ahsoka: she has no screentime with Dooku, because Dooku would just eat a padawan for breakfast.

[@shotnuke]

@@mpnuorva facts lol also I guess this shit pretty good lmfao they really put plagueis in this show. Jeez this is so bad

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

57:53 the worst part is that Sol has the saber in the perfect position to swing downward on the right side of Smilo Ren which is unprotected by either his own saber or the cortosis armor. Literally could have bisected his torso there. Or, at the very least, removed his right arm.

[@eds1942]

An annoying issue with this era of Jedi is that they seem to hold to a non-lethal honor system. Sort of reminiscent to the guard rules we had in the military. Where we couldn’t even do so much as load our weapons except under certain conditions (like others or yourself were facing an imminent risk or severe bodily injury or death) unless if we had orders otherwise. And even then, we were only to shoot to subdue the suspect, not to maim or kill. And if we were to missed, then we would have to search for all expended rounds pending a possible investigation. Which I assume will happen here. And poor Yord was like; “I don’t understand why he doesn’t play by the rules and follow proper form.” No wonder why he and the rest of red shirt Jedi went down so fast.

[@fusionwing4208]

@@eds1942 does this non lethal honor system actually exist in universe at any point in the high republic or even in the legends universe? curious cause I know Jedi are peaceful negotiators, but will kill if lives are in danger and there is no other choice (such as a Sith clearly trying to kill Jedi)

[@eds1942]

@@fusionwing4208 The High Republic era as well as the 18,000 years between the raise of the Sith following 7,000 bby and the formation of the Jedi Order and the Republic, the Jedi practices and history is largely unexplored, aside for these eras being relatively peaceful in comparison to their wars with the Sith or the wars of the movies or even during the Yuuzhan Vong and Mandalorian wars. So the Jedi mostly practiced peace keeping and mediation and justice, again in contrast to the Jedi that we saw in the movies, games, novels and comics where they are waiting to pull out their lightsabers for anything, even bugs and trouble makers at the local bar. It’s probably the reason why in the Legends EU continuity of the Old Republic era, people often associated Sith and Jedi as two factions of the same religion, as too often Jedi had turned into Sith and started galaxy spanning wars. As well as why commoners so quickly lost faith in the Jedi during and after the Clone Wars seeing them too often as just military leaders who brought war to their sectors or home worlds. Where as Jedi are supposed to gaurdians against all out war and be the champions of the people. Which at times put them at odds with the Republic during its Pias Dea era in Legends.

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

@@fusionwing4208 Most of the Jedi Lightsaber forms are for specifically disarming their opponents instead of killing them. And by "disarm" I literally mean to remove the primary weapon arm of the opponent. Also every disarm strike has a swift followup strike intended to kill if the Jedi thinks the opponent is too dangerous to be left alive. So, in short, no the Jedi don't have this "no kill" rule.

[@fusionwing4208]

@@L337N1NJ4L1NK yeah thats what I thought, Jedi are defensive but not pacifistic like that. I think the only forms that are highly aggressive is forms IV and VII? (highly aggressive as in, focused primarily on all out assault with little to no defense) and these two are fairly rare forms in the Jedi Order

[@RavixAryss]

Smilo actually defeats 6 jedi knights in that opening fight, killing 5 (there's one shown dead before we see the fight), so the power level inconsistency is even worse. God do I wish a Star Wars producer/director was smart enough to get Nick Gillard for their fight scenes again.

[@___Snake___]

Lol most of the prequels fights are as stupid as this one, actually they are far worse really

[@daveirate138]

@@___Snake___ Just no

[@___Snake___]

@@daveirate138 just yes.....Palpaitine vs Mace and the 3 Jedi ranks as worst fight in SW history, Darth Maul fight is good, the 1st half of the Anakin vs Kenobi fight is good, the rest are just meh

[@Mr_Gheo]

@@___Snake___ 'The ability to speak does not make you intelligent'

[@___Snake___]

@@Mr_Gheo well I'm writing not speaking.....so your statement proves your must have learning difficulties

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

53:51 This fight is more of a lethal glow stick rave in a forest.

[@schiz0phren1c]

YES!- @Firemalleoandjelly what I came to find!

[@Ally5141]

A death stick rave you say...

[@SaviorCross]

It's called 'Electric Ladyland' in Los Angeles...

[@peterg9729]

Our Shadster forgot to mention that smilo-ren couldn't see anything out of that thing he's got on his head. Since we've been told that it blocks force mind reading then it must also block him from sensing anything too. Corner. Themselves. Painted. Into.

[@jamescallanan2443]

@peterg9729 no, that's not how it works.

[@predawarriorstudios5787]

May I remind you that allegedly, the fight scenes in this show were supposed to be greater then the prequel lightsaber fights.

[@christiannoriega428]

In some ways the Acolyte was more dynamic but that's about it. The prequels were good because they were really cool but weren't too stupid with the moves. A lot of the times anyway. There's a few really bad moments. Prequels just have a way better mix of things done well to be beat by the likes of the Acolyte. I at least appreciate how dynamic the fight was though. Need more of that. Now they just got to plan and execute their dynamic move ideas better 😂

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

47:51 Anakin did that jumping move three times and the third time he got cut in half.

[@Tallorian]

But, but, they simply couldn't afford hiring a swordfighting coach & fight choreographer, the show cost meager USD 180 million.

[@frigidofdoom7191]

I know. It was such a small budget that they couldn't afford a Kelnacca fight scene. It just had to be cut for budgetary reasons.

[@6-dpegasus425]

​@@frigidofdoom7191they gave us the kelnacca fight. It was... underwhelming...

[@frigidofdoom7191]

@@6-dpegasus425 I was referring to the fight between Kelnacca and Smilo Ren (I still don't know what his actual name is) But if it was to be of the same quality as the Kelnacca fight we just got then I really don't care. I just wanted to see a wookie jedi be a bada** but this show can't even do that right.

[@TJCID22]

They did have a sword fighting couch and choreographer, but "they" was a DEI hire.

[@6-dpegasus425]

@TJCID22 I'm sorry what. He's the same dude who did Shang Chi, Kingsman, few other gems, and their fight choregraphy

[@heikira438]

"THIS IS THE BEST LIGHTSABER FIGHT EVER!"...Filmed behind trees

[@rhetorical1488]

someone told Harvey's secretary green screen and she figured ....trees are green

[@ian8477]

It's like they were either trying to pull off the trick of not showing the monster in a horror movie, or it's really, really badly choreographed. It must be the first thing.

[@Object7533]

Well ... considering all the "waiting for my turn" and "flailing without hitting anything" we still saw despite the trees, maybe it was for the better ...

[@madisonlink7141]

33:18: It's the bropponent code. When your enemy poses like that, he's being a bro, so you have to pose to.

[@Agk3los]

9:30 Let's be really honest here. They saw Mandalorian's Beskar armor and decided they needed to one up it in their show. That's been their schtick the whole damned time is trying to one up their betters. ALSO ALSO back in the High Republic era the only time the metal had been used was to make a sword which promptly BROKE. No one figured out how to use it effectively until Clone Wars! BUT OF COURSE Weinstein's assistant (who definitely didn't know what he was up to) doesn't give two shits about established lore.

[@mpnuorva]

You are likely correct, but not the way you think. That was likely the rationale for cortosis back when it was introduced in Legends (in which it's been in use at least since Jedi Civil War). As beskar+ so the military sci-fi side of Legends don't have to be smart about fighting Jedi because they have a universal off-button for lightsabers. Imagine if someone cassually made gunpowder just not explode because of plotconveniensium particles in the air or something.

[@VespoLiveGaming]

Acolyte Choreographer: I'll try spinning, that's a good trick

[@bring-out]

To be fair, that's Lucas' Star Wars too.

[@zam50]

One punch man reference?

[@chileanyways196]

Have you seen Lucas’ Star Wars?

[@Armwrestling_Dad]

Duel of the Fates is a big offender in this category

[@schiz0phren1c]

@VespoLiveGamin or scissoring...careful with those scissors, Sisters!.

[@khartog01]

They have him outnumbered, and they don't use it to their advantage

[@HBHaga]

Conservation of Ninjitsu. The more opponents there are the weaker they become. 4 knights are a warm up. 1 padawan can keep him busy (until a Master shows up and she dies). 1 master is a serious threat.

[@dreadrath]

Sadly that's something that plagues movies and series across the board, enemies not using their numerical superiority. Its why at the very least the one guy has to try kiting his enemies into formations and locations where its harder to leverage those numbers.

[@teutonicknight23]

I mean the prequels also did this, cough Palpatine vs 4 masters cough.

[@dreadrath]

@@teutonicknight23 Thinking about it further, its impossible to make any Star Wars fight "realistic" given all the weird force powers and stuff. Like there, Palps's power in the force give him insane force augmentation, the dude could move like a blur he was so fast (At least in the novels), and he used force scream to stun the three jedi he cut down. Then again in a movie only context there is no force speed or force augmentation, everyone just fights like normal people at normal speed.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

@@teutonicknight23 Palpatine speed blitzed three masters, what you even going on about?

[@SeaOfPixels]

I guess people can be convinced that a fight scene is great if you just obscure everything with trees, shoot everything in the dark, move the camera so people are off screen when they're blatantly open, smack glow sticks against the other glow sticks instead of the other person, and have the fights play out like turn based RPGs.

[@WhatIsThatThingDoing]

Fire Emblem in space, minus any larger strategy and it's just two sides smashing headlong into each other.

[@christiannoriega428]

Although to be fair most fights in film are like this. I only call this pretty good by comparison of other film standards. It looks flashy and dynamic. Still fun to watch at least. But yeah, if I judge it by how I actually want my movie fight scenes it's not great. Very Very few films meet those standards. I just try to enjoy these kinds of fights for what they are so I can enjoy more than a handful of film fights 😂

[@SeaOfPixels]

@@christiannoriega428 You need better standards, there are plenty of great fights even in Star Wars that don't rely on trickery.

[@christiannoriega428]

@SeaOfPixels guess you didn't read all of my comment then

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

Considering that Mae is a force baby trained by a super Sith for 16 years, Her not being Anakin level is both a feat of restraint and one of incompetence from Disney.

[@WillStopka]

One thing disney doesn't understand is that jedi don't attack with anger. So idk why they always make the jedi yell when attacking showing they are using anger...

[@ferrishthefish]

They are yelling calmly from a serene pool of inner peace. Haters wouldn't understand.

[@Extinctor100]

Almost as if shouts in martial arts are used strategically to alarm and confuse the opponent, tricking them into making mistakes. Not that the Jedi are martial artists or anything right? 😉

[@gqubed1]

So true, but they do not understand the Force, light or dark.

[@DalmarLesage]

@@Extinctor100 When you do a martial shout, your face doesn't contort in anger and you don't do dumb mistakes. That's just not how it works. Also, as demonstrated by shad, no disney star wars Jedi are not martial artists. QED.

[@BucketBoatable]

Should use our stoic training to re-think our approach, maybe start throwing heavy branches and rocks from a distance? no we should hit his lightsaber-proof armor with our lightsabers more

[@stizzo135]

Even when we would pretend sword fight as children, we didn't spend this much time swinging at air.

[@teutonicknight23]

Honestly, I’m happy to see Shad go back to his more old school format that really got him successful. I liked the stuff with Nate and Tyranth, but I subbed for this type of stuff.

[@kdolo1887]

"Oh, this is mop head" Yeah that doesn't narrow it down as much as you think

[@atrocious7766]

Mophead (M)

[@theevermind]

All the kids today have the alpaca haircut.

[@rhetorical1488]

@@theevermind well we have been telling everyone to eat their veggies and now they are all broccoli tops

[@jonafen5504]

In the credits: Mop head 1: Mop head 2: Jedi Mop Head:

[@Russhopson]

Doesn’t Mop head state that “padawan” is now a knight in this episode.

[@seefoghall]

49:25 he doesn't even need to dodge a head strike. In fact it would be an advantage to have her lightsaber hit his helmet, so that it disables the lightsaber....

[@chrishakala528]

That actually depends on how many times his head has been hit. Cortosis can be broken or overloaded.

[@seefoghall]

@@chrishakala528 true, but that's head canon.

[@chrishakala528]

@@seefoghall Wookiepedia and the EU. Until Disney publishes more about the material, that's all we have to go off.

[@seefoghall]

@@chrishakala528 yep, but neither of those are the Acolyte and Disney de-canonized the EU. Wookipedia are cucks.

[@mreggs3731]

@@chrishakala528HEAD canon, I can't believe you missed the joke.

[@connorreddish8632]

If you can unironically compare a supposedly serious scene to Naked Gun and Blazing Saddles, something went terribly wrong with whatever story they were attempting to tell.

[@qualthos1]

Autopsy is a fitting term.

[@djn6962]

I was waiting for this. Everyone says this fight is better than anything we have ever seen in Star Wars and I’ll I’m seeing is people flailing at the air, waiting to get stabbed…

[@vancodling4223]

Just like Sheev vs Mace and the council. Just whoosh whoosh dead, no technique.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

Same. Its so annoying seeing people fall for this slop. Its annoying

[@RichardHunslet1963]

@@vancodling4223 Not really. Are you throwing a fit that Palpatine speed blitzed 3 Jedi Masters? Really now?

[@djn6962]

@@vancodling4223I’m confused by Disney fans saying “it sucks because star wars has always sucked”. So why do you enjoy/defend Disney Star Wars?

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

Best fight Disney Star Wars has done. Still not even knocking on the door of the prequels.

[@CMCustom112]

Smilo has cast an area effect of Confusion on the Jedi Party. It was SUPER EFFECTIVE. Unfortunately Smilo is confused as well.

[@dragonl0ver945]

Everybody failed their wisdom saving throws, even the film crew!

[@BobMcBobJr]

Well he wasn't immediately impaled by 2 out 3 lightsabers so confusing himself was definitely worth it. Hopefully the brain damage isn't permanent (tehe).

[@veeclash4157]

This fight scene is WORSE than the Sequels Throne Room fight because Smilo has Cortosis and shouldn't have struggled to beat the Jedi at all!

[@ori8226]

"We do not kill the unarmed, that would be evil, so instead of giving you a quick painless death I'm going to direct will beasts that will try to tear you apart and eat you alive." Yeah ok sound logic.

[@dorkangel1076]

That is a standard martial art trope that a proteganist who is disarmed suddenly becomes a better fighter against their still armed opponent.

[@DCY888]

What a bloody great sponser slot for this video. Not even mad. Glad you can monetize more

[@VanceHelw]

The Jedi lost because they didn't learn about the power of maaaannyyy, like the alien insects.

[@darthbane5357]

THE POWER OF ONE THE POWER OF TWO THE POWER OF MANNY

[@ulfberht4431]

The fight choreographer for the prequels was Nick Gillard. You should watch some of his stuff, it’s very impressive and the man knows how to emulate flashy sword fights really well. It’s a shame Disney refuses to hire the man back for these projects, but I guess pissing off the fanbase is better than pleasing them.

[@Stygiophobic]

After hearing Nick Gillard talk about the processes he used when filming lightsaber fights in the prequels, I almost feel embarrassed for Disney. That man puts in so much thought and work in to every movement and every possible scenario and will practice every single move individually by himself and work out what he can do to either get an attack in or how to defend against a next incoming attack and what would be the best possible movement for the next swing or block. What a legend he is. Shame Disney never hired him cause the guy is brilliant.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

Disney: The EU isn't canon and any so-called "canon breaks" you find like "Ki-Adi-Mundi somehow being alive at this time" don't matter at all. ALSO Disney: Smilo Ren's armor being able to short out lightsabers is completely justified because of a reference in the EU, which is totally canon in this case until we decide to decanonize or change it later.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

Disney: The EU isn't canon, unless we want to steal stuff from it because we can't make something original and we need to sucker in more people to watch our slop. Ugh. I loathe it. The EU is the only real canon. It has the creator's approval

[@Candlemancer]

This is so utterly braindead of a take that I don't even know how to begin to address it. Not that there's any point because you're clearly incapable of rational thought.

[@Candlemancer]

​@@RichardHunslet1963 LMAO, Lucas didn't give a shit about the EU and retconned over it *multiple times.* It was licensed fanfiction as far as he was concerned, at best a resource for him to pull cool ideas from and do his own thing with. Exactly as Disney are now.

[@suenzhong7891]

Basically 'EU isn't canon unless we want to steal stuff and make it shittier and/or less logical'

[@valeria262]

I like how easy it is to spot the morons, they'll bring up mundi and canon breaks😂

[@erikdayne5429]

They set the fight scene with Smilo Ren in the woods, at night, with a lot of quick cuts, to disguise how bad the choreography actually was. It looks cool, but you can’t really tell what’s going on, and that was clearly intentional on the part of the director.

[@wolfsruhm]

iit is clear by now that disney, despite an enourmous budget of 180 millions (for a show) is too stingent to hire a proper fight coreographicer, and basically do these scenes by whatever fancies the actors

[@mbob4337]

And they thought having trees block the fight was gonna make this better than the fate's fight?

[@eds1942]

I mean, if you’re not going to train them and you are going to them off anyway, only show enough that anybody can tell they are bad and are going to die.

[@pacmanpakkas]

probably because she has no idea either

[@historicflame972]

I hate to play devil's advocate, but I feel that was intentional because it adds to the confusion

[@Noctan_1]

I loved that you can actually pinpoint the moment in the analysis that Shad goes from seething anger to total defeatist disappointment. Shad just gives up trying to explain what they're doing because he finally realises it's not worth his time nor energy to do so.

[@GeryonM]

35:11 you chide Seoul for not attacking Smilo's helmut while laughing at Smilo for leaving his head exposed. Smilo wants him to hit the helmet as it would deactivate Seoul's lightsaber causeing surprise and an opportunity to attack. But Seoul has read the script and knows what Smilo's helmut can do so he doesn't.

[@walterscientist]

When fighting armed force users you don't try to handcuff them, you cut their hand(s) off. It used to be the expected outcome of a fight that involved lightsabers.

[@PEC0TTO]

49:30 Smile-o-Ren doesn't need to evade the saber going to his head, since you know, the helmet disable lightsabers !

[@erikdayne5429]

Lol that’s a good point it would actually be better to not dodge it because it would shut off his opponents lightsaber

[@onyxwolf9387]

What Mae did to have her hands in front was shown. 1. She had her hands behind her back. 2. She then put her hands under her legs. 3. Then she put her legs through the space between her hands (that she visibly have). 4. And 🎉 she has her hands in front. But because of it being don quick and dark it's quite hard to see, but you still can

[@PEC0TTO]

@@onyxwolf9387 Must have missed it. Thanks.

[@darthbane5357]

But Lightsabers DO damage cortosis, the number of hits it can take is limited

[@PEC0TTO]

@@darthbane5357 Maybe. Maybe not. It's Disney StarWars, repurposing ExtendedUniverse material in "canon" without re-introducing in said "canon", for all we know it could be indestructible (it's not, i'm just exagerrating). The point was that the fight choreography is very bad, the Sith "forgot" (more like the episode can't have the Sith winning right now) he wears an helmet disabling lightsabers, which would give him an advantage when the Padawan jump on him.

[@pinecone89]

I’m not gonna lie…I saw a post saying how great this fight is, so I checked it out…and dropped my phone on the floor after 20 seconds 😅….Why did they think that kicking that guy was a better idea, than just running him through when he was completely open!

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

It's Disney Wars; everyone knows lightsabers can't kill people anymore, but a kick from a girlboss will always work.

[@chocolatebar6785]

@@nuclearmedicineman6270 instead it was from a man and 80% of the jedi died in 1 hit

[@adammoore8478]

That's why you don't spam your Basic Atk lol

[@pinecone89]

@@chocolatebar6785 actually I was thinking of when Sol, and Jeki team up against Smylo…..(Shad is too funny 😂)

[@macarahneil2154]

Everybody was Kung Fu fighting! Those kicks weren't as fast as lightning! Discount Ezra Miller sighting! Not at all that surprising. The Jedi are stupidly dying! And yet, I laugh instead of crying. Cortosis vs lightsabers not igniting! Why aren't the bugs attacking the abundance of lighting? Nobody has expert timing. This is incompetent writing.

[@Allmightyimortal]

Actually, why are they fighting him in small groups, rather than all attacking him at once?

[@Kasperring]

I believe they tried that in anotehr episode and he force blew them away...It was super easy, barely an inconvinience...

[@annalivia1308]

#1 He is in their head (Yord states this). #2 He uses the trees not just as a cover, but to split them up. Generation Tech (on YT) shows this in his very good analysis if you are interested in an alternative view.

[@xvor_tex8577]

Whoever recommended this to shad was defintely trolling 😂

[@oliverhaywood7754]

Fight Scene Autopsy is back! One of the best series on KZbin. Keep up the excellent work, Shad.

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

around the 32 minute mark that dodge wasn't actually good. If he DIDN'T dodge the lightsaber would have hit the helmet turning it off

[@Bigrago1]

"Best since Phantom Menace." Watched Duel of the Fates. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

[@Paradox-es3bl]

I mean, it DOES seem to be the best live-action not quite since ep1 since ep 3 came after... but like, in Disney live-action. Especially on D+ but it's probably better than eps 8 & 9 anyway.

[@erikdayne5429]

@@Paradox-es3blthat’s because they set it at night in a forest behind trees so you can’t really follow what’s going on in real time

[@IscoMadrid-fd7fy]

​@@erikdayne5429 No its also because besides the bad choreography, there isn't a lot of talking between the fights, they use tactics such as the reverse grip and twirling movement which was something we missed in the sequels, Qimir possibly used Trakata and the deaths were brutal. The trees were there to conceal the bad choreography but I enjoyed the 1v1 duels and hand-to-hand combat between Sol and Qimir. Doesn't take away from the bad choreography but its the best that Disney has delivered. This show will get extra criticism for its unrealistic approach but that can be applied to battles in almost every SW movie. From the bad choice to the unnecessary talking. Some of them have minor flaws but are uplifted and mistakes are overlooked because of the music that Lucas used.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

@@Paradox-es3bl Throw TFA in there. TFA was crap

[@ethancorsmeier1110]

​@@IscoMadrid-fd7fy yall forgetting Moff Gideon vs Din Djarin? I know din didn't have a kightsaber but that's the best Disney has to offer.

[@BlaveKaiser]

Obviously the Padawan's force powers and Smile-o-Rin's equipment was on cooldown. They have to wait a while after every use. Every old school MMO player knows you can't just spam skills XD

[@jb.cloud4u2]

Nick Gillard was the stunt choreographer and fight scene director for lucas in the prequels and yes he has said he designed most of the fights in the SW moves to be a series of fast paced counters, feigns, and masterful moves but with the superhuman reflexes of people with incredible spidey-senses. He was Mark hamill's stunt double in the originals i believe as well as did fight/stunt choreography for count of monte cristo, robin hood prince of thieves, 3 musketeers and WANTED. he's of course has done more but yeah... would love to see a Count of Monte Cristo fight autopsy from you i wonder how well most of the movements and choreography was around HEMA and sword work.

[@Neo2266.]

I’m glad you’ve learned to go frame by frame when need be

[@stresslevel1009]

I've been waiting for another Fight Scene Autopsy for a while 😁

[@TenToAceStudios]

when I was watching it I was enjoying the flashyness and the speed of the movements, but man the crazy openings and insane move choices were difficult to watch lol. The amount of times someone would be open and the enemy would just strike a pose or attack way over the enemy's head or something was staggering. fun to watch with your brain off, but put any scrutiny into it and you see how poor it really is

[@xxxlonewolf49]

You make huffing paint sound like a good idea

[@TenToAceStudios]

@@xxxlonewolf49 why? For enjoying the fight but still seeing the flaws? Unrealistic choreography is always unrealistic, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch. The prequels and OT have unrealistic choreography too, but I still love watching it

[@Grandwigg]

@@TenToAceStudios I fall mostly into that category, as well. smiling until I get a moment to think about it. I would say, though, that I prefer it to be 'realistic' to the setting. You kind of expect posing and 'powering up attacks' in the Dragon Ball universe (especially teen Gohan, hahahah). Star Wars in 1-6 was a bit more grounded in that respect. Blade strikes were mostly parries and intercepts of attempted body strikes (though extended binds occurred, and, in my opinion, pointless) . Most strikes were visibly intended to hit the opponent or environment for a purpose. The lightsaber is supposed to be an effectively weightless weapon, so quick strikes to disable or eliminate make sense. Heavy , full strength swings that overbalance, overreach and such less so. Both blades aiming for empty space seems pointless, especially when its Separate points in space. The exception would be such as Obi-Wan's fully defensive portion of his fight with Anakin, as he still hopes to not injure or kill one he considers his brother. The different forms as described in other media are still intended to attack or defend. I did really like the effects for the Coritosis shorting out the blades.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

@@TenToAceStudios Because it is not just bad fighting, it's agenda pushing trash. If you can't see that, you are probably too far gone & a Disney simp.

[@TenToAceStudios]

@@xxxlonewolf49 oh I hate the show, but you have to give credit where it is due, the action is fun to watch. You clearly got the wrong measure of me because I didn’t even bother watching past episode two. I only watched 5 because I was curious about choreography and VFX for lightsabers. Acting is mid-terrible, story is nonsensical. It breaks lore, but the action is at least fun to watch

[@LuckyStar2516]

I just love the fact that years ago, people were complaining how the lightsabers fights in the prequels were too long or too bad. Now look what we have from Disney. 😆

[@grimecrimetime]

Nobody ever complained about the prequels. What is everyone talking about? There are 3 or 4 classic fights. They were complaining about the dialogue and storyboard

[@guyverjay1289]

​@@grimecrimetime- *some* people complained that some of the moves used were over the top and or pointless. Such as all the spinning they do whilst dueling

[@LuckyStar2516]

@@grimecrimetime On my side of the coin, most people were annoyed with the long lightsaber fights such as the Anakin and Obi Wan’s 20 minute fight on the volcano planet. I personally didn’t mind some fight like the Duel of Fates for example, but others not so much. But yeah, everyone else just hated the dialogue, plot, and over CGI.

[@grimecrimetime]

@@LuckyStar2516 I didn't mean to be harsh. I was in my teens when the prequels came out. The popular consensus was that the duel of the fates(obi wan, qui gon, darth maul), anakin vs dooku, yoda vs palpatine; were are considered amazing. Obi wan vs Anakin is like the entire third act and the denoument of Anakins turn to the dark side. Although less exciting as an actual light saber duel; it meant alot to us fans. It was only in 2012 when red letter media was the first to do an epic critique of the prequels (explaining how actually terrible they were). So yes, with the Disney 'Star Wars' most older fans stopped caring after Last Jedi and definitely after Rise of Skywalker. This disney+ stuff doesn't exist to us, or we watch ironically

[@doo1385]

People literally stood up in Attack of the clones Yoda fight and booed. Wild . Nostalgia glasses off. Yeah, why the hell would they be so flashy. It's over the top with useless moves that are done to just look cool. AND THAT IS TOTALLY OK. It's a movie!!!!Now this channel is a rage bait channel. Him saying the prequels had some of the best fights and shitting all over the Acolyte. He's cashing in on the rage baiting people are dogoiling on with the show. It gets them clicks. Personally this show has the best fights I've seen since the prequels.

[@dallinadams9422]

Definitely appreciate this. With shows and lightsaber fights you usually miss most of it with how fast they go. It's just, ooh, lightsaber fights, action, things going on. This actually slows things down and lets us see for ourselves how bad it is. You are actually very unbiased too with it. If they do something really well then they do get remarks on it, like with Revenge of the Sith.

[@dontcallme5551]

Star Wars battles are so consistently badly choreographed that you can almost create a head cannon where, most of the jedi/sith had garbage swordsmanship and Obi Wan, Anakin and Luke were so powerful because they actually knew how to fight.

[@mgunter]

The problem with Disney is that they want there bad guy to be strong, but forget about the smart villain.

[@rpgadventurer32]

He's not even consistently strong during this fight. The power levels presented in this fight make absolutely no sense whatsoever they completely break the established hierarchy of Star Wars in terms of known characters and powers from the original movies and the prequels.

[@Extinctor100]

@@rpgadventurer32 Power levels? What is this, Dragonball Z? 😂 How exactly do they not make sense when none of the known characters are present to compare this to?

[@gameragodzilla]

I think the issue with the use of Cortosis here is it’s not given the level of gravitas that it really needs. Usually a story that uses Cortosis will give some exposition of how it’s a rare material and how dangerous it is that the bad guy is using it. Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, for example, has the Imperial Remnant mention they were smuggling Cortosis, which the player character Kyle Katarn overhears. Then when he asks Luke Skywalker what it is, Luke explains that it’s a rare material that resists lightsabers, planting the seeds in your head that it’s something special and will probably come up later. Then when you finally encounter your first Shadow Trooper wearing Cortosis armor, Kyle will then realize what they’re using it for. It’s given the appropriate weight in the story to show that yes, it is a big game changing thing, and two, it’s rare so that’s why not everyone is using it. And it’s amazing a 2002 video game running on id Tech 3 could pull this off while a big budget TV show from Disney couldn’t. Btw, mentioning Jedi Knight is particularly appropriate since the hilt you have (at least it looks like it to my eyes) is Kyle Katarn’s lightsaber hilt from Jedi Outcast. I love that character. Honestly my favorite in all of Star Wars, EU or movie included.

[@OmegaZyion]

This is also the first time outside the EU or video games that Cortosis has ever been hinted at. The majority of viewers aren't going to know what the hell is going on. Disney once again requiring homework to understand their bad writing.

[@gameragodzilla]

@@OmegaZyion Yup. And the thing is, Jedi Outcast knew that, so had the necessary expository dialogue and foreshadowing to let viewers understand how important Cortosis was. This just shows up randomly out of nowhere. Imagine if in ANH, the Death Star plans and the foreshadowing of its destructive power was completely omitted so halfway through the movie, a random space station just shows up out of nowhere and blows up Alderaan. People then would’ve been very confused too.

[@erikdayne5429]

@@OmegaZyionand this is such a SIMPLE fix. Have a previous scene where Smilo Ren is training Mae. She hits his helmet and her lightsaber shuts off. Mae says “omg what happened”, Smilo Ren says “aha that’s my cortosis helmet, it’s a special metal that shorts out and deactivates lightsabers”. Boom. Now the audience knows what it is and what it does, but the Jedi don’t so they’ll still be vulnerable to it in this fight scene.

[@gameragodzilla]

@@erikdayne5429 Exactly. It's called forershadowing. A video game from 2002 knew that so the fact that Disney didn't is astounding. Then again, that same video game from 2002 also knew how to have Luke Skywalker lose a student to the Dark Side without behaving wildly out of character as well, so that story really kicks the crap out of Disney Star Wars. God I love that game so much. So happy that DamienSabers has a Kyle Katarn hilt. Don't have the money for one now, but I may get one just to hang on my wall at some point.

[@eds1942]

Or you could introduce it, then explain it later. But people have a tendency to complain either way as handholding or not enough handholding. Back in the late 90’s when it was introduced, it was a fairly new material. But now, I think most of the fans of the expanded material, both canon and legends figured it by the time it was done, purely from the fact that it momentarily shorted out lightsabers and absorbed stun bolts, so it almost goes without saying. How it worked in the games was usually different. Often that was a problem with the limitations of the game mechanics.

[@j-kasumi]

Maybe aiming at each other's light sabers builds up some sort of invisible "force meter" that they can trigger later on to make their next attack more powerful lol

[@Grandwigg]

that sadly makes a lot of sense.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

Spinning also recharges the ability to use a force pull or push.

[@scorpionlord9175]

and by landing a kick, you get bonus points to your force meter

[@user-es4ml8hh9i]

Why didn't he make a sword out of cortosis? or a protoblades not a canon anymore?

[@RenTheHen]

I mean did you see how easily the helmet broke to physical damage. It seems to not be very durable and only really there to counter lightsabers. Not sure it would survive slashing at people

[@user-es4ml8hh9i]

@@RenTheHen I think with the right design, this problem can be avoided.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​​@@RenTheHenSingle Edged Durasteel blade with a Cortosis coating on non cutting edge. Turn the blade around when fighting Jedi. Problem solved Second Solution. Carry two swords. One for Jedi, one for everyone else.

[@ThePhxRises]

The funny thing about all of the too high swings that would've missed but he dodges anyways: He has a cortosis helmet. People swinging for his head is objectively an advantage for him. Why is he even dodging them?

[@chrishakala528]

Bad writing. There is a lore excuse that could be used, but it should be ignored in this case because it is never explained or physically represented, which is again, bad writing. According to wookipedia, cortosis can be overloaded, and it is very brittle, so there are two separate ways that bracer and helmet can fail on him. 1. Overuse until the bracer or helmet becomes useless and gets cut through anyway. Maybe the energy would dissipate over time, but the writers would have to show that visually (sparks, a glow, something) in order to use that excuse. 2. Breaking because the metal can't take the stress of repeated impacts.

[@nahlannentrela5376]

in the original EU, Cortosis was very rare, brittle and fibrous. It was dangerous to mine as it usually held charge which discharged violently, lethally, on anyone that touched it. It always was energy resistant, so plasma cutters and typical mining tools were useless for extracting it, meaning they had to bring in specialized solid equipment to harvest the mineral, which usually wore their tools out rather quickly when trying to extract it. Basically, it was one of the most annoying things to gather, and very specialized in function. Finding enough of it to make a solid piece of metal would indeed have a much more stable and Durable object that could outperform other metals in defense, but gathering and refining it to that quantity and quality would cost a fortune-or perhaps several fortunes. If this guy is wearing a full helmet and gauntlet made out of solid freaking Cortosis, well...

[@tabull8180]

While that makes some amount of sense, while obviously all that explanation being absent from the series and movies, there would need to be reasons why some characters weren't using it. Like General Grievous would surely be using stuff like this if it was any way obtainable. Since he was working with Palpatine, logistics in itself should not have been a problem enough. Not that we should even spend any energy of trying to make any disney stuff any better. Its destined to fail anyway.

[@darthbane5357]

Cortosis weave =/ Pure Cortosis

[@scorpionlord9175]

i mean, it sttill doesnt change you would have an entire underground system to illegal mine this. and thats the issue. it creates issues. some things just simply shouldnt be added to canon cause it causes problems. like for example the fobs that can track anyone in time and pace across the galaxy, no matter where they are, then after the first season, they realized what an issue they made that they never mentioned it again and pretended the fobs didnt exist, but by that point, TO LATE, the canon breaking fobs are already a thing that change literally everything. lightsaber whip, same issue. why dont you make lightsabers that are giant claymore size? "HAHAHAHAHA, YOU IDIOTS, ITS BECAUSE THE BATTERIES CANT HANDLE THAT AND TECHNOLOGY IS STAGNANT AND HASNT GOT THAT FAR!!!!!!!" lightsaber whip, tosses that out the window. OH, SO WE COULD OF HAD GIANT CLAYMORE SIZED LIGHTSABERS THIS WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!! activating highspeed into a ship. oh, SO THATS A THING AND WE COULD DONE THAT THE WHOLE TIME?!?!?! "oh shit....... um........its one in a million chance?" .........................its a 1 in a million chance to point your ship at another ship and activate the hyperdrive? and now the cortosis. disney are idiots. they keep adding stuff for the "WOOOOOOOW" effect and it keeps creating issues. sometimes you simply shouldnt do something, no matter how cool it is, cause it creates issues.

[@tabull8180]

@@scorpionlord9175 To be fair, he is talking about SW original EU, which at least tries to explain all the stuff that gets added. Mixing that with Disney stuff is undermining the amount of work that went into SW EU. Disney just isn't doing even the bare minimum which would be to steal these explanations, they only steal the "cool" stuff without caring about anything. I don't really know how well EU manages to keep it consistent and I don't really care. But its still very likely so much better than Disney stuff. Not that I disagee with you on boarder sense. Its extra sad that people making these decisions don't understand that laserswords and jedi and force and x-wings are already very cool. So one does not need to add extra cool stuff just to hit the cool factor.

[@scorpionlord9175]

@@tabull8180 i havent read everything, but apparently no, there are TONS of dumb stuff in EU and a lot of it isnt consistent and counters what others things say cause they "want to create their own story", what other stuff said be damned. some of it is, others isnt. and yes, i am aware they were talking about EU.................just change its now official canon, has created issues. so what they say doesnt apply to canon star wars cause we have no idea how person got it, how rare it is in canon, ect. we have no idea. cause this is LITERALLY the first time its been seen in canon. so we have no idea if its even cortosis, thats just what everyone is calling it, or how its mined, if its even mined, if its rare or not, if its synthetic. we have no idea. no matter what though, it creates massives issues within star wats canon cause there would be a massive illegal underground selling ring to make this stuff. thats simply fact.

[@trathanstargazer6421]

Always love a good Fight Scene Autopsy! I'm sure it is much easier on Shad's health too!

[@Grandwigg]

I don't know. This show in general seems hard on the blood pressure. At least to those who had strong affection for the franchise.

[@macarahneil2154]

Surprised Jeckie didn't use her horns to scratch or puncture Mae.

[@Grandwigg]

@@macarahneil2154 yeah. It would be interesting to see how people with horns, spikes and such could use them in combat in that world. That said, I'd be a little worried about a horn snagging on clothing and wrenching my neck if I had them.

[@macarahneil2154]

@@Grandwigg 😂 They're already doing ridiculous moves, so I wouldn't've put it past the choreography.

[@teddyharvester]

I don't know, man. Considering Shad is an enthusiast of good storytelling and good combat scenes, and this show butchers both simultaneously, I get the feeling his system might eventually overload from pointing out how dumb all of it is.

[@benmazzara6216]

YES, I've missed Fight Scene Autopsy. More please!

[@Westy1008]

3 weeks this video has been out...three weeks! And I'm just seeing it now? Honestly the KZbin algorithm has really failed. I'm sorry Shad and crew. Massive fan, Great Video as always

[@JustFlemishMe]

When faced with Smilo Ren... Better Call Sol!

[@tim_nj_devil176]

LET THE 💩SHOW BEGIN!

[@wonderelk4prez706]

The Kortosis existing in and of itself doesn't break the lore. I understand the "why doesn't everyone use it" point to a certain extent, but in the EU kortosis was even more rare and difficult to work with than Bescar. There were only 2 Kortosis mines ever mentioned in the entire known galaxy, and one of them wasn't discovered until the middle of the clone wars by the CIS, 110 years after this show takes place. All other criticisms of the scene surrounding the use of the Kortosis itself is still valid though. Shoulda deactivated everyone's lightsabers immediately and executed them while they're vulnerable.

[@k_e_l_i_k]

Shad just didn't know all lore, just like me. In Jedi Knight series cortosis just blocked lightsaber. Shad was wrong in this moment but anyway scenes with cortosis in this battle absurd.

[@morlock2012]

Looking forward to all the scenes that stop working if Kortosis dust/filings grenades exist.

[@givmi_more_w9251]

'EU Kortosis' sounds like a disease/syndrome originating in Europe ...

[@rpgadventurer32]

It does break the lore because it never existed in the live action movies or tv shows. Only in the EU, also it's not being used or presented in the same way that Cortosis was used in the EU. They took an element from the EU and completely removed the context in which it can be used logically in Star Wars and instead made it into the biggest plot armor and plot hole in Star Wars' history by presenting it the way they did in the Acolyte.

[@k_e_l_i_k]

@@givmi_more_w9251 This is good joke. I like it.

[@wilfridojtv658]

This is where the fun begins!!!😂😂😂

[@PandaNibiru]

Me when I spent all my skill points in being dense

[@skollthehunter2709]

IT'S FINALLY HERE! ONE OF 2 OF MY FAVOURITE SERIES!!!!!!!! 😮😮😮😮

[@Itstwofourteen]

This is where the fun begins.

[@mikecanul]

“Gets kicked AGAIN!” lol

[@kunaekinslaughterer]

Even beyond what you've rightly pointed out, Shad... The balance on a light-saber is typically going to be where the hand is gripping the hilt. You can wave it like you're waving a wand, or a butter-knife. Quick wrist movements with little to no arm movement, and Smilo is charred hamburger.

[@TheClaymore2004]

I might be misunderstanding what you’re saying. But canon wise lightsabers do have weight in some metaphysical way.

[@augumon05]

@@TheClaymore2004 Think that might be more about what you are trying to hit with them overall, compared to their actual weight, against another saber, it comes to weight and force each are putting into them; cutting through things, more likely based on how dense what you are cutting overall, like takes a bit of effort through multi-inch solid metal walls/doors, through droids like a katana through rolled reeds, and through trees like a hot knife through butter.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

@@TheClaymore2004 What "canon" are you drawing from? That better be the EU

[@Candlemancer]

​@@RichardHunslet1963 or what? Are you going to throw another manchild tantrum?

[@bring-out]

Yes, but it's hard to implement a new fighting style which is much more efficient and deadly when the OT and the prequels didn't have it. Although breaking lore isn't something they seem to care about in other instances.

[@rosethorn7255]

I wish you'd do Duel of Fates, the Naboo battle. Darth Maul was "apprentice" sure but as Rule of Two he wasn't at the actual skill level he was at, truth is he was a full-fledge Sith Assassin, and was far from a fool, he had to be careful with both his oponents and follow his plan to drain Qui and then focus on Obi seperate and alone.

[@Poisedanubis85]

Anyone remember the meme of someone swinging their hips to dodge a sword,,,this fight reminds me of that

[@AloterCZ]

i love the autopsy videos, the hour goes by so fast

[@Wintrois]

The helmet and bracer are not Cortosis weave, but made of Cortosis. If I am not mistaken, in a case of that, what we saw on-screen is correct. Though it should be noted that they are brittle and should be weak to blaster fire and other stuff (I think it is supposed to protect against stun-blasts, though I could easily be wrong there) and last only so-many lightsaber strikes before it is destroyed or is basically useless. As for why it isn’t more prevalent, it is very rare (far rarer than kyber crystals in a general market during the reign of the Galactic Empire). It is supposed to be difficult to turn into sheets and I wanna say it is supposed to be somewhat unstable. 43:06 that would be Nick Gillard. 55:42 could be due to force speed. 1:06:40 for some reason, this makes me think of that “as the founding fathers intended” copy pasta. 1:15:18 if he struck him down at that time, he would have begun his descent to the dark side.

[@jetlorider]

helmet n bracer...Cortosis rare metal that can "absorb" high energy.....it literally absorbed the lightsaber.

[@Wintrois]

@@jetlorider not sure why I called it a gauntlet. Probably due to me being a bit tired at the time.

[@m.h.w.weckseler]

11:00 if that metal was so effective against light sabers, it would be the same as nowadays bad guys wearing bullet proof vests.

[@Grandwigg]

yep. in the books i read with it in it (Vision of the Future and I,Jedi), it was brittle to the point of almost crumbling. some armor incorporated it in the second i mentioned, but it was bulky, and weak to regular blasters and even force-thrown stones, iirc. I'm gonna have reread my Expanded Universe books again soon, I think. Either way it was super rare. Basically only 3 or 4 places had it. (Mostly inside some critical walls). It's smart of the writers to see it as a useful plot device from the old stories, but I don't know if they kept weaknesses necessary to keep it from being world breaking (or invented new ones for the same reason).

[@robertellis6853]

Ah yes, spun cortisis ore. I believe it was supposed to be very rare, and usesless for just about everything, but something about it caused it to make a feedback loop in lightsabers, causing them to not cut through and short out. I imagine that while a powerful thing, goven the rarity of the material, kitting out even a special forces group to be difficult, and even with that armor, a non-force user vs a force user isn't a good matchup. I do believe that Vader had cortosis in his hard armor parts like his pauldrons.

[@beskarbaron6503]

@@robertellis6853 if I remember correctly, even if you find it, mining it is dangerous because there is a strong tendency for explosive gas deposits to be in the direct vicinity.

[@Zeknif1]

@@beskarbaron6503There are several issues with mining it. The raw ore still connected with a large deposit can near instantly kill upon direct contact with skin, even against energy resistant species like the hutts, the dust can quickly accumulate in toxic quantities in the lungs, and energy based mining equipment is useless for extracting the ore, thus requiring bulkier and unwieldy hydraulic systems which can risk uncontrolled dispersal of debris that threatens to compromise a miner’s protection against the hazards of the ore.

[@darthbane5357]

I used to mine cortosis. The equipment didn't last very long and I lost all my hair

[@marcinf6324]

My god I just watched a 1.20 hour video of a guy deconstructing a fight scene and I wasn't bored. Great job Chad :)

[@humourlessjester3584]

To the people who say this is just fiction and therefore realism doesn't matter. Well, let me remind everyone of their english classes and say one of the fundamental elements of fiction is tension. Without tension, there would be no stakes and therefore no thrill or entertainment because we aren't suspended in the idea that these characters are in danger of dying. Yes, you can say that suspension of disbelief makes all these realistic stuff an afterthought, but if you don't ground your stakes in believable scenarios of danger, there is no difference between an actual combat scenario vs sparring with a trainer, at that point you're watching for the flare of back flips and swords clashing than actually being worried for these characters' safety, which is important in a narrative where fighting is involved because you'd expect that they're fighting for their lives.

[@madmalou1057]

What I remember from this fight scene now :"Stop atacking the air!" "they f*cking kick him again stop that !" and classic "Ofc they aim for their lightsaber" x)

[@samuraijaco1]

As a palate cleanser, you should do Duel of the Fates, or something. Not that that duel’s perfect, but it’s a dang sight better than this!

[@jugglehop]

The power of plot armor compels them.......

[@conmanay4563]

This is just inexcusable. The acolyte had a 180 million dollar budget, and yet Revenge of the Sith had 113 million dollars came out in 2005 and blows all of the fight scenes in the acolyte out of the water. Money simply can’t replace actual skill in regards to fight choreography and the actors training and practicing like Hayden and Ewan did

[@damiensaber]

It's awesome. Thanks, Shad, for the fantastic breakdown!

[@daywither927]

A few days ago I rewatched the Duel of the Fates, but very slowly. There are some mistakes here and there, but overall it is really awesome. For the most part the actors are attacking in a way that would hit the opponent, Maul uses kicks because he has to block from both sides at once and that's his only option - and that is also what the Jedi are trying to do, attack from two sides at once, and the whole fight has a story to it, of Maul defending and backing off until he separates the Jedi for long enough to do his thing. Oh, and the choreography for all the prequels was done by Nick Gillard, a former stuntman from the OT and a martial artist himself. Wasn't his first time doing choreography either.

[@yoda9240]

I know you said you don't do a lot of fight scene autopsies, but I would love to see one on Duel of the Fates to show off a better done multi-person fight scene.

[@morgansmith1930]

Yes! 💯 It's so well done; I'd love to hear Shad's take on it, especially after this and the throne room fight scene.

[@Grandwigg]

While I don't personally go for the intensity of his word choice and volume, he makes valid points as to the coherence of the story and the level of scrutiny (or lack of?) that seems to be given to the action sequences. The lights, sound effects and music is Star Wars. As for the combat, we would expect and appreciate at least meeting, if not hoping, for improvements in the action elements of the franchise. Presumably someone was in charge of the choreography, and while the most expensive or top tier may not be in the budget for the program, it should be a somewhat significant priority, given lightsaber combat's prominence. We shouldn't expect perfection. We can't be legitimately condemned for expecting at least a passing attempt at combat, rather than pure flourishes. The coritosis ore has been used to explain the avoiding strikes at the head and forearm. In fact, in the books (now legends) there were instances of it in use as armor. Rather than avoiding the special armor, the Jedi avoided the target in its entirety. If the shorts was truly the biggest concern, block with one blade, probe for areas without the ore with the other. A duel is not slapping blades at each other and spinning light shows.

[@Grandwigg]

The first time I remember learning of Coritosis Ore was in Vision of the Future by Timothy Zahn, as a brittle ore useless for anything other that shorting out certain circuits used by lightsabers. In I, Jedi by Michael A Stackpole, it was used by one force cult in armor, but was incredibly fragile in that as well. It was not common enough for full armor, either, only a few crucial bits. If a material, tool, or ability is written too powerful, it lessens the impact of the story. That has been one of five common complaints I have heard and agree with in the more recent stories (and several of the Legends stories, such as Luke's power creep in books like the late Dave Wolverton's Courtship of Princess Leia.) I have received a lot of enjoyment from Star Wars in the past, and hope to see more in the future. It seems to be intended for audiences other than me at the moment from a storytelling standpoint, however. (Focus on 'grey', beyond 'good/evil' and such). While this does make it more likely to recognize flaws as I encounter them, I'm not against awareness of them in the stories I do like. Oddly enough, my favorite stores , aside from the 5 Legends Thrawn books, were the X-Wing stories about Rogue and Wraith Squadrons and those characters. The franchise is more than the Skywalkers, and I agree with the comments I have seen that the stories suffered for trying to stay too close. (Such as Acolyte being so close to the Prequel era, and making the need for new characters be the failures of the originals in the Sequel trilogy.) I have other thoughts, but have typed too much as it is, hahaha. I am curious what others think. (hopefully I am thick skinned enough for reasoned disagreement).

[@RichardHunslet1963]

@@Grandwigg We won't get anything good from Star Wars in the future because everything has been shit for 10 years since Disney bought the brand in 2012, and Star Wars is about "good vs evil". There was never anything about Greyness. Making the Sith sympathetic and the Jedi evil is wrong,

[@beskarbaron6503]

@@Grandwigg Not to mention that according to the Plageus novel, mining cortosis is very dangerous because there is often flammable gas very close to the ore.

[@SiNKiLLeR_]

The Darkside has taken over Disney.

[@saturn580]

My favorite one-against-many fight scene of all time is the chateau fight from The Matrix: Reloaded. The choreography is absolutely impeccable. The Merovingian's henchmen all attack Neo at once, the environment is used to great effect, every movement is clearly shown and nobody ever disappears or teleports. It's a seamless dance of non-stop carnage.