Starc and the pink ball |

[@raheelakhtar7]

The guy is an impact player. The reason he is in the squad is because of the control that Hazelwood and Cummins offer (Boland too)! He is free to be a bit inconsistent and do his thing. Once in a while he will win you a test on his own and that’s why inconsistency is tolerated.

[@Yesaps]

At his prime he was one of the best bowlers in tests from 2014-2018! But last few years he has been avg infact around 2021 he was completely out of form. But since last year ashes he was pretty good and aus's best bowler who helped them draw the series! The current starc just enjoys when the ball swings thats it. Thats why seeming swinging pink ball favours him more since he doesnt have that 150 pace anymore!

[@Sid-e5y]

What peak are you talking about in test cricket,I have seen this a lot from Indian fans specifically who are scarred by starc in world cups and thus think that's he was a great fast bowler in. Test cricket which he never was barring two years

[@Yesaps]

@Sid-e5y that's what I said his peak. Maybe like most cricket fans u have a short memory. Just see his stats u don't get 350+ test wickets in < 90 test wickets by being avg! That too in australia and not England. At his peak, he was great even in Asian conditions with the reverse swing!

[@ShivamYo-w4s]

​@@Sid-e5y Colonized mindset bro 🤣 Starc was never beast against India in Tests , except this innings

[@ShivamYo-w4s]

​@@Yesaps For god's sake Please have a look at his cumulative average from 2015 to 2019 It always exceeded 27 Playing mostly In SENA and having this average Lol Also 4 wickets per match is ideal point for Fast bowler especially for SENA players Take a look at Steyn His wickets per match ratio is above 4.3 or something Bumrah following that Patty is better than Starc in Tests ODI , Starc smokes every bowler of any generation in this Format Including McGrath and Akram

[@Sid-e5y]

@@Yesaps you are delusional making up stats my guy

[@akshaybhatt3378]

that's the problem I have with nostalgia wankers tbh. I mean they love to parade around the older gen of batters facing Mcgrath and Warnie. But what they fail to understand is that if you make a tally for Aus's best pacers Patty,Haze comes under top 5 and Starc at top 7-8 easily along with the fact that Lyon is no slouch either and by far Aus's second best spinner(not even close to Warnie by a mile but he is easily top 3 spinners of this era). Overall the new gen faces Patty+Haze+Starc and Lyon and that too on more bowler friendly surfaces in comparison to 00-16 tours of Aus which makes this attack a lot more dangerous than any other. Sure Mcgrath and Warnie sits around as number 1-2 as the best bowler of any time but the overall attack comes off with Lee,Mcgill,Braken and Bichel type of guys along with the fact that Johnson and Jason were only great in their prime red form and were really off the mark otherwise and the pitches were also legit flat since 03 timeline in Aus.

[@SARYM911]

I don't know..Doesn't the flatness of pitches argument actually work in the favour of the older bowlers?Mcgrath shouldn't even be anywhere near this whole conversation..His record is flawless almost everywhere despite having a chunk of his later career on uber flat pitches..With a no.1 guy like that and a spinner like Warne, the 1-2 punch can be greater than many other solid lineups, and the likes of Gillespie were more than enough to complement the big 2...The first time they got tested in Australia against Inida was when there wasn't any Mcgrath, as with the Ashes 2005 where he got injured

[@akshaybhatt3378]

@SARYM911 i wasn't going for the older gen bowlers but the older gen batters. Because the usual gig is: the past gen were like fighting some giants and dragons while the new gen batters are shit without looking at basic data that analysis, overall strength of bowling attacks(as average pacers are coming out better than the previous eras because of talent, better mechanics and funding pool) are a notch harder than what the older gen faced.

[@SARYM911]

@akshaybhatt3378 yeah this absolutely is a much tougher era for batters overall minus some roads in pakistan...Few of the older gen would have transcended even in these conditions..obviously talking about someome like Tendulkar who was really impressive in his last stints in South Africa against a very formindable bowling attack..but yeah the numbers of most past batsmen would have taken a hit

[@akshaybhatt3378]

@@SARYM911 true that man. The absolute greats like Sachin and Lara would have been great here too but surely the others would look a bit lower than their past performances

[@Nope-gu3ph]

When the ball swings, Starc will destroy no matter the colour of the ball. The issue is that Australian pitches don't really actually favour Starc's bowling style as much as they do for the other two bowlers. He likes to pitch it up, and not bowl into the pitch, like Hazlewood and Cummins do. Boland has better numbers but Starc is really a much more skilled bowler. If he played more in England with the Dukes since the start, he would've had much better numbers because he would've been in the game much longer.

[@sks636]

This time he was fast.

[@louquay]

The thing about Starc is that he perfectly compliments the other two (three if you include Boland). When you've got another 2 blokes in the attack who are metronomic, you want a wild thing style impact player. That's exactly what he is. He's underrated as a roleplayer and we'll miss him when he hangs the boots up

[@arvindk711]

is it fair that some teams play 2 match series and others 3 or 5? and what's the reason behind it? is it because of their overall test rankings or something else entirely?

[@DennisMpofu-wv5zo]

Jaiswal getting out for a duck to Starc is funny 🤣😂😂

[@khurramali3634]

All those who are wondering why he is an average bowler with red ball it's because he simply is And all those who thinks he's this grear red ball bowler it's because when he is on he's just lethal he can single handedly destroy the opponent that's why he's best but often time he's off color and his aggressiveness tends to favor batsman

[@shafayetjamil442]

Saying Starc is ordinary in red ball is crazyyy.

[@gauravyadav6315]

yes he is his match factor is 1.01.....looks average to me

[@Nope-gu3ph]

Yeah he is very ordinary these days. Although when it comes off, it is majestic. Last Ashes, even with the red ball, coming in after being dropped for the first test, he absolutely carried the Australian bowling attack.

[@Red_Neck]

He pops off when his team needs him to.

[@rahulsrinivas3224]

Numbers don't lie

[@Sid-e5y]

He's an average red ball bowler

[@mrgyani]

So this is good news for India? Starc will still be deadly in the rest of the matches, but not as deadly as in the current pink ball in Adelaide?

[@Drake-xc2qd]

Why do we need 6 batters? Out of that 4 will get out in single digits. Instead keep a good Allrounder

[@ShivamYo-w4s]

Swingers and Pink ball ☠️ India don't have Swinger in the 11 Akshdeep was a option but he is neither experienced nor so skilled as Starc I see India Bowled out under 200 again , if they face Starc in third session under lights

[@khurramali3634]

Wth r u talking about bumrah is as much a swing bowler as any And for your information indian bowlers did extract more seam and swing than aussies yes they were bowling under light but still india have one heck of attack

[@ShivamYo-w4s]

@khurramali3634 Bro Listen again Hazelwood , Pat Cummins , Rabada these are proper Seamers Their ball don't bends it's trajectory in air But moves after pitching If the pitch is favourable Aka the Grass and the bounce their ball will deviate either of sides after pitching Boult , Anderson and Starc are Swingers Their ball don't deviate much after pitching They bends the curve of ball in air And after pitching it deviates very minutely in same going direction That's why they bowl fuller to keep ball most of time in air Bumrah is a hybrid He uses most of times Seam That's why no fuller lenght But his ball bends trajecty in air And Before pitching it may swing a very little bit After pitching deviates from the direction too much And after passing the batsman it bends too much towards one direction Since here most of time the swing in ball is useless because ball have passed the batsman So you can call him a Seamer Akashdeep bowls with same length of Starc and uses Swing Siraj uses seam , his ball don't bend trajectory after passing Batsman Pink ball offers more swing so Starc is lethal here Seaming Balls depends on pitch and Seam of ball , which is not so better in Pink ball like Red ball Not only Starc, here a Good Swinger would have ripped any Line up just like him So That's why Pink ball and Swinger is a deadly Combo

[@cringe1660]

​​@@ShivamYo-w4sinstead of akashdeep we should groom arshdeep in tests as our left arm swinger in tests

[@akshaybhatt3378]

@@khurramali3634 bumrah is a seamer not a swinger like Starc/Anderson/Wasim. Swing is about air movement, Bumrah's major skills are in his angle with which his ball comes from and then deviation off the pitch. Even his yorkers are about creating that weird angle and not about pure swing likw Starc's. In both the line ups in this test, Starc is the only main swing bowler here.

[@ShivamYo-w4s]

​@@akshaybhatt3378 Yeah , True , That's why Most Swingers gets a belt treatment in T20s , because the shine of ball gets off in few overs Whereas , You can never nullify the angle The lateral movement might decay if the Seam loosens but the Angle created by bowlers is difficult to play Ex - Bumrah and Hazelwood