StarCraft History: The Original Foreign Legend

[@gratler]

11:36 a helpful tipp for you Tasteless: you can use the . and , buttons to jump back and forward frame by frame in youtube videos to find a good frame to freeze

[@hjalmarviking]

holy wow magic

[@thebashpotato]

More of this please, doing old Artosis games would be fun and hilarious. There's an old VOD from 2004 of a TvP on Loginus that could be cool.

[@RB-zq9oq]

This is like watching your favourite band recorded on a phone in a dingy bar before they got famous

[@randyohel9074]

Elky is good people. Great to see him featured!

[@Frank_144]

Love these stories and this format, keep 'em coming if you want to Tasteless

[@top5g04t]

Regarding soundproofing, I'm not sure if this was ever such a big issue in starcraft, but even if there was perfect soundproofing, the audience still ended up conveying information in league of legends. There's a very large neutral objective on the map called Baron Nashor and killing it would give you a massive advantage. Some pros have mentioned that when they tried to sneak it, the audience made such a ruckus that they could feel the ground shaking.

[@kirktown2046]

Became a huge issue in starcraft and pro rts in general. Audiences would make noise when scouts would ALMOST find proxies, queueing players to look harder and find what they would've missed if the audience hadn't queued them.

[@TheJohtaja]

Man, don't you just hate having to queue, in a game where you're even playing yourself? Audiences are so impolite making you queue!

[@pkmitl]

I remember the day we carried a case and CRT monitor to friend's house and played over a parallel connection.

[@jakovmatosic4890]

That keyboard is a logitech internet navigator. I think my grandma had one?? Also, in a pro match it probably was an optical mouse, wiki says modern ones were being used by that time.

[@MrFinally24]

LMO - Logitech Mini Optical was the mouse of choice for almost all progamers

[@joebazooks]

wish there was high resolution copies of the old vods. would love to watch grrr elky and legionaire games again

[@LeFloidfan4ever]

Loving this type of starcraft history content!!

[@detalores]

Heh wild seeing this. I started out as a dota 1 “pro player” and moved over to poker and played professionally for 10+ years. Elky was definitely one of the careers I followed and aspired to be like when I first started out playing poker because he got his start in esports too.

[@shiektal]

Bring back space suits. We need them in our lives

[@Shield_Battery]

Now I gotta know if Tasteless was a Spiked with Frosted Tips or Middle Part. Because that was one of those, "GOD I was so cringy back then" type of mea culpas ahaha. Boy, Elkies & his glasses would have fit right in next to Scotty Nguyen and Phil Helmouth, although I don't know if he woulda chopped it up or if he woulda shut it down like when Phl Ivey makes his face. I'm with Tasteless tho, Kids these days got it soooo good, compared to when we were settling the wild west of PC Builds, and overclocking. There was a time peak gaming involved using a 60 lb monitor, and a discontinued IBM keyboard from early 90s.

[@47ness5]

Have you seen that one vod of Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 2005 WCG American regionals? it was Day9 who had the frosted tips back then 😁

[@Zmej420BlazeIt]

tasteless was kind of an emo kid hahaha

[@dustinseth1]

Magic the gathering players also moved to poker in those days when World Series of poker was really popping off.

[@dabmane]

What year did you graduate HS? 04 baby! I remember watching your gomtv casting on the west coast in university back in 06/07

[@stuunger6585]

Id love to see a lot more old matches like this especially in the flash jaedong bisu era

[@Hyperion856]

Holy shit like 1 minute in i was thinking he reminded me of Elky the poker player

[@hhhfdfgdfgfgfg2249]

Because he is. Elky.

[@MrFinally24]

It’s the same guy. He was a Brood war legend before he was a poker superstar

[@misterkefir]

You think two different people would pick such a weird nickname as ElkY? it's the same person ;)

[@Hyperion856]

Yes I know it's the same person... even when I commented. I too watched the video

[@brandoncarr1469]

i love these videos it great for trying to explain sc and sc history to my wife and friends , thanks Nick and any staff godbless

[@gratler]

pretty sure I had this logitech keyboard and I still have this mousepad somehwere. blue with the orange rubber around it. I remember this was kind of a early e-sports mouspad. so small. how times have changed

[@Xylasider]

A theatre stage that has audience on 3 sides is called a "thrust". So that's kind of what this is.

[@ericjepson3765]

Moletrap said that casters and players had no choice in their hairstyles back then and the producers would make you use the gel and spike it up. Wow this map... make tank, put tank on high ground, gg.

[@MrDwarfdwarf]

I've been loving these history videos!

[@gosudaddy89]

I always thought ESL was "European StarLeague" because I first heard of them through SC2 and it was during the time we also had NASL (oh god remember that travesty?), and also, I only just realized like 2 weeks ago (I've been watching GSL since WoL) that they changed the name to Global StarCraft League from GomTV StarCraft League. Just haven't been paying attention to the logo too much I guess. Seriously though, I miss the days when we had all those extra GSL events, like the GSL vs World and GSL Super Tournament stuff, as well as just more seasons of GSL per year. That and I miss when we had 2 premier StarCraft Remastered tournaments in Korea, the KSL as well as the ASL. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly happy to have ASL, but it was nice to have more than one tournament to watch. As an SC2 player primarily (I love BW, think it's the better game, would rather play that, but I suck), I find myself watching more BW than SC2. Honestly it's hard to even get excited about watching a tournament anymore, and I think a lot of that has to do with the changes to early game. It feels to me like Blizz was trying to skip the early game and get "right into the action" with LotV, which honestly did a lot to kill my interest as a viewer. I still watch to keep up with shifts in the meta, but that's about it. Hard to get excited unless it's someone like SOS who can make even the worst meta (remember late HotS?) look interesting. Also the decision to abandon 3-4 spawn maps in favor of ONLY 1v1 maps just made the map pool feel extremely stale. It's to the point where map makers need to rely on gimmicks like speed zones to make maps interesting, as opposed to doing so through map layout and topography.

[@SouthPawBoxeRr]

This is awesome!! Please make alot of history sc moments plz

[@JiminyCricket7]

Guillaume Patry (X'Ds~Grrrr...) was the "original foreign legend", and also the only foreigner who was ever the actual best player in the world (from 98-99)

[@GravityThree3]

PROTOSS BEEN OP SINCE 98

[@user-wk2ei3qg8e]

@@GravityThree3 He played random when he won that first tournament. Yeah, X'Ds~Grrrr... was, and still is, the only random player to win one. (It was KSL before OSL).

[@misterkefir]

Indeed.. Also "Slayer" the norwegian player. Really don't know how it was possible that he has forgotten his name. Bizarre.

[@user-wk2ei3qg8e]

GG99 slayer was super good

[@user-wk2ei3qg8e]

I used to read all these pgltour battle reports back in 1999, there was a common belief that we thought Koreans played on “fast” instead of “fastest”, because there’s no way anyone could play as fast as they did. Also, the StarCraft ladder was forced to “fast” back then, and riddled with hackers.

[@DontLookTheShoe1]

Garimto is OG. ❤

[@wimmywozzle778]

Seeing those early-era nerds was wild af

[@hellowill]

@@jpineapple9495 Halo 1/2 and SCBW was peak esports man.

[@ShiroKage009]

The first thing I noticed were the sunglasses.

[@PrussianPirate]

It's not the incomplete information but simply the APM that made it appealing for Starcraft pros to play online poker. Elky became so successful because he was one of the first to multi-table in online poker. You simply just play safe hands according to probability theory for texas hold'em but when you do that with more than a dozen tables at once, it becomes quite lucrative at least back in those days.

[@ivanjelenic5627]

Elky could have won that one easily - mine on the other side of the map while vulture atracks buildings. Worst case scenario he floats buildings and draws.

[@debostahn]

This video thumbnail lmao Looks like the original guy who typed "CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL"

[@kieganB]

not mentioning guillaume patry? but mentioning legionnaire? strange.

[@stoge89]

I'm curious, did you ever meet Slayer? The Norwegian guy?

[@RuyLopezCUH]

GARIMTO was the first Toss Boss

[@Esteban-ss6wq]

Yes, way before Reach the protoss god was Garimto. He dethroned peak Boxer from his OSL winning streak and also looked like a Zealott.

[@TheMykr0]

Oh Yes! another trip down memory lane

[@Tw0tson]

Do more of this

[@yvesmou]

More vintage pliz!!!

[@dzstoyanov]

Love these!

[@voidshademusic]

I think you meant SaFT ye? The Swedish player :D

[@Deltidsninja]

Nice video!

[@maybehuman4]

ESL = Electronic Sports League = English Second Language 🤣

[@gamesnews4440]

GREAT!

[@joshnaggs9851]

Should do a vid on Grrrrr

[@housemana]

Dear Tasteless, I think I owe you an apology. I have been going on quite the journey for the past 5 years or so through Starcraft as one of those 'will never/has never played multiplayer but am a fan' camp. I found SC through PiG (shoutout Florencio Files actually though) & Lowko non tournament casts type of thing, but very quickly of course my interest bled into watching GSL to where I was introduced to you & Arty. Perhaps my memory is taking what actually happened out of context, but I felt like there was this general 'air' from some people in the chatboxes within some of the GSL VODs that had a bad opinion of you. 'Tasteless doesn't really know what hes talking abt/doesn't know what's going on", "can't really understand the nuances of ___ or ___" , blah blah. etc. etc.you know, general typical hater Twitchchat-brain type of behavior. And it wasn't like that was just the cart blanche thing more like certain times chat would show flashes of ridicule. Par for the course in any chat for sure, but it was weird how they'd focus more on you, and I think that was just because of the contrast of Arty being there aswell, as being a Pro aspirant in the credentials peking order isn't a non-factor for sure - but it wasn't like they weren't also times where chat would mock Artosis, for sure he caught his flak too, but I feel like the type of ridicule u got was really not right, it was undeserved. I'm about as fairweather a fan as you could be, rarely catch non-tournament or matches type of content (so very little of the culture/vod/off-legends), so I owe you an apology for actually going along with that kind of thinking. There was times I'd throw a stone in chat as well or have thoughts on "what the kind of cooked shit is tasteless yapping about now" or in general just going along with the peanut gallery chatbrain ridicule roasts.. an involvement that i look back on and find disgusting behavior for me to do as a fan watching a match of a game I would know nothing about if not for mainly you and Arty. ..but my journey has been great lately, I am going through backlogs and starting to dip into some of the videos and storied history/documentary gems in the Starcraft legendarium archive, and have found you here today. It has been a humbling and happy experience to learn that i was wrong to underestimate and misjudge just how much of a passionate professional you are in this scene. We are lucky you have chosen us and thank you for everything. ~Koa, 2024

[@housemana]

I'd like to share with you some of myself as well, as a fan. My wife also watches with me although we deadass have never played starcraft in our lives, and have never attended any events in-person. But we've watched thousands of hours at this point of Starcraft. Our favorite SC2 pros are Her: Scarlett, Reynor, Florencio (lol), SHOWTiME, soO Me: Byun, Has, Gumi, INoVation, PartinG, soO (we both cried our damn eyes out watching at home when he won IEM. i think every true fan did, what an insane and cathartic story) We are lucky and grateful you have chosen to commit yourself, and watching your KZbin channel's backlog of the more history side has made me see, for the first time, just how much you really are the Champion of the Fan, if I can just lay what I feel. The best is yet to come, I am cheering you on.

[@Azuciea]

Wow that map is so bad

[@dabmane]

Its no Bridge to Bridge ‘98

[@maybehuman4]

Wow this was awful back then.

[@kevinf.2556]

ESL = electronic sports league made big due to counter strike and UT in the early 2000, later dota and then league