StarCraft History: What Really Happened At WCG 2009 China

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[@isambo400]

Never forget that Geoff InControl Robinson won round trip ticket to WCG the year it was in his home town

[@superdahoho]

lol for real? that's funny!

[@kebabsvein1]

DUDE I LOVED THAT MATCH. This was the first SC 1 tournament I ever watched

[@gratler]

I remember the first commented game i ever watched was Tasteless commenting a WCG game Draco vs midas. he was so excited and screamed and even mentioned his voice will be gone soon :) this video started my interest in starcraft

[@ppshchik]

I was a Warcraft 3 fan back in WCG 2009. Tastosis was what got me into watching Broodwar. Shows that how casters can impact an audience.

[@isambo400]

Tasteless and Artosis are 80% responsible for Foreign Starcrafts success

[@Dodovacer]

Man, Tasteless, its so nice to see you revisit this old videos. Please keep em coming! :)

[@dkvcaaron]

I'm so excited to watch this again as a Chinese fan all the way from that era. I was in college back then and I remember watching it on live stream in my dorm room with nerd chills. The 3rd place game between Bisu and Jaystar was insane as well (if you ever had a chance to recast that!). It's sad that a lot of the great Chinese players back then are long gone now. Some moved on and some reallly struggled with their lives. The Starcraft scene in China just recessed so quickly after this and after Starcraft 2 came out there were barely any broodwar games left. Thank you Tasteless for the reminiscence. Good times.

[@dkvcaaron]

Btw I'm more than happy to do some translation for you (the fan boards and quotes etc. there was a whole sub-culture to be explained lol) if you ever want to do another Chinese broodwar game! Let me know

[@jon1805]

i started playing BW in my comp/sci class in high school in 98'... been a fan ever since, though i don't play anymore, i never miss an ASL esp with you guys casting, appreciate you.

[@trainquest]

So relatable! I also started playing in my comp/sci class in high school 😆

[@JackyVSO]

This was the first pro game I ever watched. Before that, I had only my own games and some friends' games as a reference. I remember being completely jaw-dropped by how good Jaedong and Stork were and how entertaining it was to watch. It was like it wasn't even the same game I'd been playing. Been a fan since then!

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

Yeah, it was a huge event back then.

[@hellowill]

this was my first tastosis event! insane how long ago it was. 2015 (6 years on) I was nostalgic about it, now it has been 9 years since then!

[@widoft]

Your casting back then was good, seriously. And you are even better now

[@LeonSquall-wz4jn]

Only a few know how legendary this era was

[@ericjepson3765]

I'm glad you addressed the misinfo that the Korean viewers hid their faces bc they were skipping classes. Yeah, that probably did happen like one time, but the reason they hid their face was strictly cultural and out of shyness and embarrassment. The Chinese didn't hide their faces bc they are very proud by Asian standards but most Asians hate being singled out bc their culture is so community based and anti-individualistic.

[@UpkeepLLC]

My favorite all time Tastosis cast!!!

[@CMald]

I loved heroes of newerth. So sad it didn't take off

[@odinian6244]

It's so craaaaaaaazy to see how huge Starcraft was!

[@mjshorty101]

Jeadong vs Stork was randomly my very FIRST pro game I ever watched.

[@allmyguts]

hey tasteless, my very first introduction to BW esports was Savior vs Nada at blizzcon 2008. I'd kill for you to do an analysis of that game some time. big fan.

[@dkvcaaron]

Blizzard is now reconnecting with Netease in China and I think it will be brought back soon. There was an unofficial announcement they made earlier.

[@floorix9308]

Love how i watched this final 2009, i was only 15 years old back then... good times and time flies sadly :/

[@JelloBud]

Great video. I love anything WCG related. Still got my t-shirt.

[@noreavad]

Don't be too harsh on your past time self. To me you always sound like passionate and enthusiast.

[@AndrewTheTransformer]

Do you have any of the old Blizzcon games? I remember there was a game either between Nal_rA vs Mondragon or Reach vs Mondragon where I saw DT and sair being used for the first time. Mondragon was in the lead, then toss switched to DT and sair mid game and eventually going on to winning the game. This was at Blizzcon 2005

[@m1xxx3r]

I loved WCG2009 both regional back in Poland and finals in Chengdu ( i still have WCG2009 band attached to my keys)

[@AndrewTheTransformer]

aha legend! Great memories

[@Frank_144]

That crowd, damn. here's hoping we return to those levels of audience the next months, it's a great time to be a Starcraft fan

[@MrDdz]

What's happening? GSL season 2 has reynor and TY and I'm excited. Gamers8 coming up. Not sure what else is going on though.

[@Frank_144]

@@MrDdz Day9 casually returning to Starcraft, Tastosis getting more recognition and increasing viewership, Rogue came back from his military service and more will follow

[@Young-ep8ik]

It's confirmed the prize pool at EWC for SC2 will be $1M, and $1.75M including qualifiers. Hope that money brings back more players or even new players.

[@DerpHerper]

Thing of beauty. China really is a wonderful place.

[@decksteroussnail]

anything WCG really brings back a lot of memories

[@isambo400]

The old casting wasn’t bad at all. It was exactly what the scene needed.

[@CallMeCJorDandy]

Karate Kid (2010) waz release after that year. Dang fun facts

[@jks234]

11:10 Tasteless, you were so frequently in a state of “lost voice” that I thought until now basically that that was your natural voice. Haha.

[@sporkleton]

It's crazy hearing the contrast in vocal quality between 2009 Tastless and 2009 Artosis. Like without context on using the diaphragm, it kind of sounds like they had only one good mic between the two of you and Artosis won out.

[@harizotoh7]

Woah Nick used to be so handsome.

[@Frank_144]

Artosis disagrees

[@keepcalm3547]

I donno if anyone remember this, Ogogo was such a Lurker dropping lover, that like 2 years after he wins WCG with his famous lurker drop, we got to see him on the news "previous WCG winner arrested for stealing/thiefing" in Korea, LMAO. That was the time I came to a weird sense of zerg players somehow always find themselves in like matchfixing, or things like Ogogo was doing, LMAO

[@milanpintar]

damn sc2 are the best times of my life, I used to be holidaynova in chat and in game Kappa

[@gamesnews4440]

GREAT video!!!!

[@jchan59]

Camcorders was a 2009 thing still. Amazing

[@IntoTheClouds7]

tasteless isnt happy about our ASL zvz finals guys lol

[@andresabourin2423]

It is a shame

[@nanthilrodriguez]

​@@andresabourin2423snow showed some excellent games. I would live another snow v zerg bo7... oh well. Soulkey earned his spot

[@Dodovacer]

Had the same thought ;) (and yes I am also grumpy about it)

[@MJ.Actual]

I mean no one wants to see two players using the easiest race show up to the studio and flip a coin honestly.

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

This is how it should be. The level of talent should stick with the players into the finals. No more coin toss group stages determining Ro16 finalist, yes please!

[@tehRaptors]

Love the history lesson vids

[@gratler]

26:29 i remember at these wcg events the winner always had to sign something like jd did there. does anyone know what the point of that was?

[@Slaphappy1975]

Artosis sounds exactly the same but Tasteless' smoking has changed his voice lol

[@kebabsvein1]

Also I mentioned this on Artosis´ stream the other day. Fucking amazing

[@nanthilrodriguez]

Where do you think he took the idea?

[@Healcannon]

I'm not a gore guy but I do miss the more meaty death animations of BW before the remaster. Zerg deaths just don't look remotely as impactful now compared to back then.

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

Yeah, you really miss zergling, hydralisk and archon popping animations. They were really cool!

[@blueberrymuffintime1375]

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[@stoutdonphan2161]

23:00 Just to comment on your point regarding Blizzard not doing anything with DOTA, I think they explained that, at the time, all of their resources were invested into making WoW which is why they didn't do anything with DOTA.

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

Ironically it were much better than Dota 2. It were pretty much pulled straight from the campaign and units looked consistent.

[@Bork0r]

I just love seeing starcraft presented from this old style perspective. It’s almost a zoomed in kind of look. To me this feels like a more dynamic way of watching starcraft. Armies feel bigger, units move faster, and as a spectator you get sort of surprised when the camera shifts views of different parts of the map revealing stuff that has been going on outside of your field of view. I’d love to hear tasteless view on this subject. Modern starcraft suffers from this to some extent. But league of legends is the worst. I cannot stand watching lol esports because as soon as anything happens, instead of zooming in on the interesting part of the action, they zoom out as to not miss anything which really sucks. I much prefer a choice limited perspective with replayed segments of interesting things that happened off camera. This happens in literally every sport on tv except for modern esports it seems.

[@matthewcrockett604]

I still play HoN. Love it.

[@blueberrymuffintime1375]

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[@MJ.Actual]

You may have better control of your voice but I miss hype man Tastless like when you would introduce players and be like on the right side ITS JAEDONGGGGGGG. Then nerdtosis came in with some facts lmao

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

Yeah, the youth pouring out of Tasteless was all the hype back then. I watched the Starcraft documentary just to see him commentate.

[@Tootbook]

24:03 haha. He said brown movement. Like 💩

[@denome3725]

Does anyone agree that Psionic Storm should do more damage when used nearby water?

[@adamv2296]

the 4 colored rings of the wcg logo represent the 4 dragon factions which "run" this planet. Same in the MS logo, olympics, etc, etc, etc...

[@adamv2296]

yes tasteless the Red dragon or red faction owns/runs chyna. The Red and Blue is the main factions worldwide also the two principal lodges of f r 33 m@sonry is red + blue lodge actually in all sports/news/media you see Red vs Blue colors or psyop of the factions being portrayed. They expertly utilize good cop vs bad cop psyop on a global scale, at all opportunities. It's a show. The Yellows are experts on "Time" and the Green's domain is anything to do with subterrenean or undersea.

[@adamv2296]

actually SC itself is a game of MEGA disclosure. the zerg race is the vril reptiles. the protoss i perceive to be the annunaki and ofc we are the terrans from terra firma, rock planet. you archons and dark archons who manipulate this planet energetically and are essentially consicousness parasites, cloaking is disclosed, human space travel, etc, etc, etc, SO MUCH. this video game series (idk about sc2) is disclosure about SSP, secret space program. NASA stands for Not A Space Agency.... everything is a show and me and you are "bubble-worlders" to the SSP folks.

[@mrbluemancheese]

​@@adamv2296 Where can I learn more about this?

[@svsv1191]

esports was better pre 2014

[@pivorsc]

Sad that times changed so hard nobody would expect China to hold any International even Today.

[@da1stlangzai]

This was before "MuH ChYna BaD!!".

[@ColossusBall]

What? They host multiple international events every year. They're hosting their first international CS2 tourny this year. What the fuck are you talking about lmao

[@henrixderletzteseinerart2099]

germans are realy wierd in some ways and i know that cause i am myself 😁

[@Montrovantis]

Esports were already a thing before Korea, lol. The fighting game community did its own thing. Evolution was a response to competitive fighting games needing a crowning tournament after years of localized events. That started in 2002. Fighting game tournaments happened well before that. Everything was well on its way.

[@gigaturok]

What the fighting game players did in the early 2000s is seperate from esports.

[@AndreySCBW]

Is this starcraft video or singing lesson?