Stardew Valley for Beginners: How I Found The Fun

Want to start having fun in Stardew Valley but not sure we're to begin? We've got a guide that'll take you from seedling to ... video-game-playing tree.
Sorry, the metaphor got away from us.
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[@firedragon04]

"Hey, why don't you just go to bed... this day is ruined" Griffin saying exactly what I think every night.

[@gh000stful]

big ass fucking mood

[@risacooper]

too relatable my dude

[@superawesomeminecaft]

"Each tree that there is, there is a turnip that isn't" had me dying lol

[@SlimRhyno]

I'm pretty sure Confucius said that during the Ming Dynasty... and it is as true today as it was back then.

[@drewbryk]

I read something a while ago (can't remember where) about the lost art of playing single player games together - something anyone growing up w brothers/sisters will find familiar. this video reminds of the frustration/fun of trying to explain to someone else what you want them to do. thanks for the terrific video

[@dragoninatrenchcoat]

I realize this is an old comment, but you might be talking about nakeyjakey's video "the death of couch multiplayer" which used almost that exact line

[@IronShigeru]

Dude, I don't know the video, but I know exactly what you're talking about. Personally, I think it's just reborn in a new way. I have friends, and we all like to call each other over discord and stream games that we're playing for the other to watch. We usually have a really good time doing it too :)

[@existenceisrelative]

I genuinely think that's what let's plays are. Just that experience distilled down to the barebones, most interesting moments.

[@thornprick2645]

Yeah my cousin and I used to play everything together. Animal Crossing on the GameCube together! Hours of it! There's no big decisions to figure out together like when we played most singleplayer games. We played it so freaking much and then we'd pace around the basement conjuring up ideas for new features if they made a new animal crossing and then we pretended to be in animal crossing sometimes when we played outside.

[@whalesharko4465]

My brother and I still play single player games together, there was like a phase where we didn't I wanna say when we were teenagers? Point is we really enjoy SDV, Undertale, Cat quest, animal crossing and similar sort of single player games together I still remember one winter where we played cat quest and each time one of us died we'd swap and the other person would play until they died

[@pooolB]

I like how the answer to "How I Found the Fun" was just Griffin being like "Okay step 1: turn on the game, k? Step 2: now....play it."

[@Mcwollybob]

"Looking for a buddy to bring me a potato. Please, god." That made me laugh so much

[@songlord]

What amazed me about this video is not how bad Justin is at SDV, it's how bad Griffin is at giving relevant, helpful advice. Loved every second of it.

[@PeterKoperdan]

Polygon.. playing on the expertly built PCs by the Verge :-D

[@gfox9295]

Griffin is just used to playing while Justin commentates (see: almost every episode of Monster Factory)... doing the opposite... is pretty hard for both of 'em, at least with a game Justin isn't good at yet. ;)

[@zoesilver5828]

It wasn't too bad but i was screaming about griffin's aversion to fishing he could've made so much money

[@elliot3172]

🎵 Backpack for his applesauce

[@BluesMoth64]

Elliot Morneau JA'AM'S GOT THAT APPLESAUCE THAT YOU CRAVE

[@FluffehBacon]

BlueBloodstains EVERYBODY CHECK HIS JUICY JAAM WAVE

[@Roma-kp4qg]

BACKPACK WHERE HE KEEPS HIS APPLESAUCE

[@gfox9295]

One day I'll discover all the hidden layers of meaning behind this meme. Yes, I've seen all the Spore monster factory eps, got the Space Jam aspect, etc. etc. but the specific backpack/applesauce thing... unless it's just a Griffin/Justin childhood inside joke or something...

[@bepis602]

@@gfox9295 i think its just something griff said in the moment and justin expanded on with no questions asked

[@qwuzzy]

Justin: "They're all the same person pretty much" Griffin: "That's not true at all" who is Griffin's waifu

[@A-Spoto]

Griffin was triggered

[@xthemightygoatx]

its shane i bet

[@jessicaAM666]

Rachel

[@belugaval144]

@@A-Spoto just fyi triggered is a bit of an offensive term.

[@fuckman297]

belugaval14 what nerve am I right

[@ConnorCanRead]

Oh, so that slime has flesh? You'd call its surface flesh? I thought slimes didn't have flesh that could've turned to stone? BE CONSISTENT GRIFFIN

[@japes9999]

HIGH FIVE MY DUDE

[@llamaplayzmc7440]

ASMR For Dogs

[@WowItsErin]

ASMR For Dogs Hey Griffin, I've got ~~stardew valley~~ on my computer, right now, do you want me to blast you? Do you want me to put you on blast?

[@natedawes8989]

I just listened to all Of balance for the first time and shot is that ever good.

[@lasmirandadennsiewillja9435]

There's one simple rule for all Harvest Moon games and games like them, no matter if you played one before or not: Prepare to suck the first year. Every game has maybe a similar gameplay but the mechanics are different as well as locations, things are removed, others added. Even those who played many HM games need a bit to figure out how things work this time. So, if you're new, don't be too ambitious during the first year, take it easy, explore, prepare to screw up here and there. You'll notice that things suddenly fall into place when the 2nd year starts. Or if you want to start over, you'll be surprised how different the game suddenly feels compared to the first attempt.

[@YayoiFujoshi]

and most of all: no need to rush! The game is meant to put no pressure and everything will go smoothly eventually.

[@RDR911]

That's what I love about Stardew. It's at whatever pace you need it to be.

[@404usernotfound_]

Very, very true. My first year in stardew valley was very rough. Tons of my crops died, I didnt know how to fish, and I constantly died in the mines. I'm currently replaying the first year and in the second month I already have a working chicken coop and I make around 5k each day. It literally just takes time to get used to. It can be super frustrating that first year though

[@xthemightygoatx]

yes take it easy. my idea of "easy" is making everything as efficient as possible. i have a full winery going by the end of year 2. and a collection of rare seeds im planning to make into one giant crop once i have enough

[@harrylane4]

@@YayoiFujoshi No! I need 5 million by the end of year one or else I'll die!

[@laurarodriguez2736]

i laughed so hard when justin couldn't find the library and griffin is just losing his mind esp since justin made a comment abt it not too long ago

[@TheNicolexoxo]

"the library keeps movin on me"

[@gfox9295]

@@TheNicolexoxo "it was like above me and to the right when I was on the way to the blacksmith... now it's not above me and to the right anymore... where... what do?" Justin's 3d brainmapping of the game is not yet complete. ;)

[@norge0209]

It was nice watching a video where someone didn't know what they were doing - like an average person.

[@rsmalec]

Agree! I've been a bit intimidated to try this as there seem to be so many things to do

[@norge0209]

Goomashroom Justin McElroy is incredibly smart. He's one of the head people at Polygon.

[@artificialraspberify]

Don't forget the 15% off at ALL Sam Goody Stores™ "Goody's got it" and that he can run two miles per diem! Dude's a genius.

[@Jaricko]

Anyone who has played harvest moon for at least a year (ingame of course) will likely have most of this game down. With exception to restoring the town which the game does a decent job explaining, but perhaps a bit too late in some cases for people to start planning. You start off the game kinda weak. You are a city boy after all, not a farm boy yet. You have to come into your own. Naturally your energy is kinda low, severely limiting your options. Your levels are low so the results you get are not quite there yet. But by pulling up them sleeves and really digging in and putting a few weeks of hard work in, you can overcome that issue.

[@b.s.6728]

I'm new to it and this video helps more than most. Most of them are just too much and make the game seem more difficult than it is, explaining every little thing and acting like everything is an urgent matter. From what I can tell, nothing is urgent. It's a really relaxing game and you can go whatever pace you want. People play for so long and completely lose touch with what it's actually like to be going in blind, I quit the first time I tried it.

[@TheTinkerThomas]

I'll tell you how you have fun in Stardew Valley...listen to the McElroy Brothers in the background! MBMBAM makes watering plants less of a chore I tell you!

[@brodericksmith3513]

+TheTinkerThomas I would listen to the brothers read the phonebook

[@TheTinkerThomas]

That needs to be a stretch goal for one of their fun-drives!

[@johncoleman1930]

That's what I do lol

[@Punchy-Mango]

Couldn't agree more!!!

[@gfox9295]

I've now been playing SDV for a few weeks and I often rewatch/listen to this in the background while doing so. Or just to get myself into the mood to play, even. I wish there was more than one ep (like there is with Griffin and his Animal Crossing 2020 vids).

[@elijahthorne303]

i've watched this so many times and only just realized that "that's your dad, clint" is referring to the actual name of the character is which is, in fact, clint, and not clint mcelroy i s2g i always thought he was sarcastically saying Yes That is Our Real Earth Father Clinton McElroy wtf

[@ojcorp]

justin: *presses the walk button* justin: the sprint button keeps slowing me down griffin: well there's... it's not a sprint button. justin: justin: hmm.

[@ErkFX]

ojcorp haha well I think the game tells you it’s a sprint button (or everyone just assumes sprint = left shift) even though they auto enabled sprint. I was confused as well when I just started playing for the first time a few days ago.

[@PeterKoperdan]

Expert gamer..

[@gfox9295]

@@ErkFX Yeah, I just started playing for the first time and noted the "shift = sprint" when it popped up that helpful info along with the WASD and whatever else. Then pressed it and slowed down and was like huh... later I was in the options and saw auto-run was on by default. Just gotta change that helpful pop-up in the intro to "shift = sprint/walk slow (depending on your auto-run setting)" or something...

[@lucy3194]

"is that my dad" - iconic justin quote

[@sariannas2799]

This is exactly like my sister trying to teach me to play literally anything. Let me tell you, Portal 2 multiplayer was ROUGH.

[@sneakietoad6488]

Lmfao

[@camillahrendanielsen5960]

25:32 "Ah beautiful, you're killing their home" loool

[@embryhart539]

"Oh, you haven't met Pierre! What, you just thought he was some sort of vending machines for seeds? He's a human!" - This killed me cause I couldn't for the life of me figure out who was the last person I was missing, and it turned out to be PIerre XDDDD

[@B4K4xNi]

"Is that my dad" killed me

[@deifieddata4462]

I need a whole series of this

[@gfox9295]

Amen.

[@starsandsuch7778]

“Your tools don’t fall apart. That’d be miserable.” Minecraft players feel that pain acutely

[@maryhamilton4872]

2020 update: Animal Crossing New Horizons players nod vigorously

[@gfox9295]

Minecraft and Don't Starve... and many others. ;_;

[@brody2k]

Legend of Zelda too, somehow.

[@cqlt45]

Justin: "That's another leek no problem" Griffin: "Third leek, triple leek" Just very casually and monotonously celebrating free leek discoveries had me dying

[@n0ss4aa2]

"He hangs out at the bar at night, hes the worst" HARVEY IS AN ANGEL

[@calciummother]

10/10 doctor man would marry again

[@Misspip1993]

I came here for the sole purpose of voicing my support for that hot doc.

[@gfox9295]

I hear he still charges you full price for medical services when you marry him? That's no way to treat a wife or hubby, man! not even a 10% discount?! ;_;

[@AviendhaR]

Justin: I mean theres not a list of who to meet Griffin: yeah Me crying: yes there literally is I'm

[@BlondeMcGuinn]

I just bought Stardew Valley, I have no idea who these guys are and I’m laughing my ass off. These brothers have a gift.

[@ghostsax]

"they're all basically the same person" that couldn't be any less tru, Justin. u don't even KNO

[@rattyeely]

It really does seem like that at first before you get to know them though

[@SkyreeXScalabar]

"This sprint button is slowing me down" "It's not a sprint button" Fkin Lmao

[@meiji4785]

I love how Griffin is suddenly acting like the big brother

[@gfox9295]

Griffin greatly enjoys being an expert at anything Travis or Justin isn't. ;)

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

@@gfox9295 he's an expert at having his own discrete birthday

[@gfox9295]

@@CoRLex-jh5vx And wanting cakes and creams, no doubt.

[@happyspaceinvader508]

I was struggling to “get” this game until I watched this video. Serves as a great tutorial for those of us who similarly messed up the first 30 minutes of the game and quit in frustration.

[@FrankieBoiledEgg]

For someone with over 500 hours in stardew his is truly painful to witness

[@lawsalor]

Listen, this video actually got me into Stardew valley and it taught me how to play. I haven't put it down in three day

[@FirestoneX]

Search for ffstv stardew valley. Video games awesome did a really funny one.

[@chris12321246801]

How much farm wisdom is in this video?

[@PhilippeAllardRousse]

Good question. I'm wondering the same question. ( before watching)

[@feb22tebek]

the game is like 25% in early , 35% when u start to get in touch whit the game and like 80% when u finish the game

[@PhoenixBaby96]

Tibi They said video. Not game.

[@LaneBeScrolling]

Farm wisdom, farm wisdom. Send me a picture of a cow.

[@ryanrasmusson3497]

There is so much Damn farm wisdom you could fill a house with it

[@joshcalderhead7392]

"Do you wanna meet the wizard?" You always JUMP on that chance, J-Man!

[@oop6365]

“It’s not like there’s a list of who to meet” I- have y’all been in the menu? YES THERE IS!

[@kadabuwan]

Need u 2 know that this is one of the comments from this video that I remembered when I first started out playing SD. I was like a confused nut til I was like… wait a min… someone mentioned a list once. Thank u

[@oop6365]

@@kadabuwan this makes me unbelievably happy, i'm over the moon that my comment helped someone. have a wonderful day!!

[@kadabuwan]

@@oop6365 you as well! Take care!

[@Kyndra_Jade]

"What's wrong with the trees?" "I hate them" xDD

[@Vanhalte]

Where is Wizard Hut?

[@coaldoubt2879]

where is pancakes house?

[@serireicanon]

Allen Halterman At Fantage, which shut down.

[@Brade_Runner]

It's the Adventure Zone! Holy hell! I just recognized the voices and it blew my mind.

[@littlerabbitbite91]

Brade Runner have I got some news for you about the McElroy family of products

[@Rebecca-lk7rz]

should we tell him about monster factory? i feel like that may be a thing he would want to know exists

[@chandlerisbell5686]

I remember when I didn’t know about the McElroys

[@ashsweet]

It’s fascinating to see a taz fan that doesn’t Hoover up McElroy content like a vacuum cleaner with a Zelda tattoo.

[@JoHasIssues]

"There isn't exactly a list of people to meet." Except there is one. It's in the menu, where you check your friends' hearts. When you haven't met them yet, there are questionmarks instead of their names.

[@ThunderPaladin]

Fishing and blowing crap up with bombs in the mines are about the most fun to be had in this game, I freaking love every aspect of the game though, very rewarding. I love giving people gifts and getting the cool little cutscenes with them. Shane is one of the best, because his life is in ruins and having you for a friend helps him turn his life around.

[@delugesofgrandeur]

"Each tree that's there is a turnip that isn't." Wow.

[@abigailbrown6021]

"I didn't know this was like Dark Souls!" Lmao!! :)

[@sanguintic]

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[@coffin7904]

@@sanguintic thanks kass very cool!

[@clove7970]

lookin for a buddy to bring me a potato pLEASE GOD

[@williamwolfe962]

He's not watering his stuff!!!

[@thelightgeektastic]

IT'S GIVING ME ANXIETY

[@polaroid]

this was so frustrating and validating to watch at the same time... great job!

[@polaroid]

+Katelyn Bruce ALSO YOU MISSED SO MANY WORMS

[@Punchy-Mango]

🖐️ 🖐️

[@ravioli4601]

I absolutely love the progressive crops, you know what I mean. The crops that keeping producing after harvested. They make it easier to get gold since when you harvest a normal crop you have to get more and place it again.

[@spooks2599]

It's pretty funny that Justin was having a problem meeting Harvey, considering that he lives at the entrance of the town.

[@unaverse88]

"is that my dad?" this was my exact reaction to Clint on my doorstep "is that Justin and Griffin's dad?" lol

[@captaincorva1731]

"You don't need him!" "YEAH! Stole your Backpack nerd!" x3

[@jay_maybe]

god hearing griffin rap nicki added ten years to my life

[@plutototoh]

Seeing Stardew Valley in the title I was so hoping it would by my McElboys and I was not disappointed what a blessing this video is

[@matthewismatthew3683]

Personally, I found the fun in Stardew valley by figuring things out by myself. On the first couple of days, I explored the town which seemed a lot bigger then it does now. I saw what crops had more worth, I explored the mine at my own pace and just found it relaxing. I don't think that this game is the type you'd want someone to explain to you, but rather something that you yourself should explore.

[@bismuthcrystal9658]

"Oh. Sorry. Are these your rocks?" - Jason Mendoza. And also Justin McElroy.

[@BenieTheDragon]

Hello from almost two years in the future. I'd like to see this being revisited with the new updates, and see if any of these steps need to be altered.

[@artificialraspberify]

Honestly this video is making me want to play Stardew Valley all over again. Like Justin reminds me so much of my first time and how I grew to love the game

[@MjBcn027]

I can't believe I just found the McElroy brothers on KZbin playing my favorite game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn't I know about this????

[@greenspider1621]

This was anxiety inducing. Curious to know if Justin has improved in the year.

[@raymondhames7872]

When your dad showed up, I laughed so loud, a coworker peaked over my cub and looked at me weird.

[@pizzaroo1]

welcome to a special video game themed farm wisdom

[@itsafeature]

how to have fun : buy 1500 cauliflower seeds

[@llamaplayzmc7440]

itsafeature

[@Jaricko]

Then realize you cannot actually water 1500 cauliflower in month 1.

[@smonkk8556]

Jaricko who are you to tell me what i can and cant do? my dad? you dont look like mmmmy dad

[@casedistorted]

This was pretty interesting because I'm very new to this game and it didn't interest me at first since I played years worth of Harvest Moon on the SNES as a kid, but I'm starting to get the itch back for this type of game, especially since it seems to have been done right.

[@reindeerage]

I've just very recently got into this game and it's my go to therapeutic stress relieving pastime, and i get to WATCH MY FAVORITE BOYS playing it too??? my heart is soaring

[@bonelessbones1176]

"it's not like there's a list of all the people you can meet" "that's true" okay

[@Ezienne844]

I did a real 180 on stardew valley. I tried it twice and found it a whole lot of nothing, but so many people liked it that I tried it a third time. Once you get into it, it's a fantastic game. Actually one of my favorite harvest moon style games I've played.

[@hondacivet]

Thanks guys, this was mega helpful as well as being entertaining as always.

[@cslmtnmt7675]

SHILL

[@what.4849]

“Have you met the wizard yet?” hits different in 2021 and beyond.

[@gbird5000]

This game seems SUPER relaxing

[@BlueHazyDreams]

It really is most of the time. I think it's slightly less relaxing than classic Harvest Moon though because it features combat (I've rage quit a few times after not paying close enough attention to my health bar lol)

[@gbird5000]

Syvelocin I've never played Harvest Moon and I only spent a couple weeks playing Animal Crossing. I think I'd enjoy watching other people play this game on Twitch than I would playing it myself

[@partlyironic]

This transported me back to being a real little kid standing on the rungs of the chair that my older brother by ten years played games like Lemmings, Mad Professor and some boring game about landing a plane on our Acorn computer. He put up with a lot of questions. Sometimes I would lean over him and press my ear to his and stay like that while he played, which for all his griping about me being there, he never once mentioned being annoying.

[@coffin7904]

d'awwww.

[@ahzrukhal1596]

I really want to see more of Justin struggling at Stardew Valley. Pleeeease

[@sophovot5079]

here I am trying to play stardew valley and listen to mbmbam for fun but I don't really get it, and then I randomly find a video where the boys explain it to me! amazing

[@howl8406]

Listen i love these idk type of farming exploring games; stardew, animal crossing and slime rancher etc there is something truly nice and relaxing about em and thats the charm i like

[@campbellrowland571]

Agree and so you can find more of these wholesome games the genre is called harvest moon

[@Roma-kp4qg]

Justin: Here's Johnny!!!! Griffin: JUSTIN NO

[@g.i.e]

I'm always so happy to hear buttman19's good accent.

[@vonixart]

"what's wrong with the trees?" :'( I'd die for this child.

[@anonamuss1604]

Well I love this vide. Initially I didn't know they were brothers but wasn't surprised. I've been out of action with a long term illness - my younger brother bought the game for me and I thought it was cute but today, after watching this vid I'm enjoying it much more. It sounds just like us playing games together - parts of it completely cracked me up lol. I would have eaten the sap too lol. I'm subscribing and hoping for more. Thanks guys.

[@anonamuss1604]

And I meant vid not vide lol.

[@Sweetumskitty1789]

Justin not watering his plants is stressing the hell out of me.

[@2CraftySeniors]

This is such a fun game and I play it all the time. I'm glad you're learning... but I do remember being like you when I first began, so I can understand totally how you're feeling. It's especially confusing if you've never played a game that's similar. But once you get the hang of it, it's a lot of fun. :)

[@kevinagreer]

I've loved the Macelorys for years and have become obsessed with Stardew Valley in the past month and this is maybe the best content ever.

[@Thiefree]

so that's what sap is for. how have I done a year without knowing that

[@artificialraspberify]

It's used to make basic fertilizer (2 sap), quality fertilizer (2 sap, 1 fish), torch (2 sap, 1 wood), and trap bobber (10 sap, 1 copper bar). I just sold it for 2 years straight without realising that it was actually useful lol

[@XemnasKH]

@@artificialraspberify about to finish my first ever year 2 and never even bothered with using up my sap for fertilizer lol. All about that artisan goods life.

[@artificialraspberify]

@@XemnasKH lol right. I'm working on a new farm right now and I'm all about my chickens and goats. What are crops? I just don't know.

[@joshuanelson2542]

Firstly, you guys are F%&#ing hilarious. You guys made me laugh out loud about 30 times. Can you please let me know if you do this regularly?

[@kmlac6596]

Joshua Nelson check out their other shows! The podcasts My Brother My Brother & Me and the Adventure Zone, and the KZbin series Monster Factory :)

[@daveshusband2606]

Why did u censor "fucking" like that, f***ing is enough

[@craterflakes]

This video was perfect for me, as I also had no clue what I was doing. Gratsi.

[@gh000stful]

that should be the new canonical spelling of grazzi

[@rebeccawilliams8242]

As someone who had never played Harvest Moon, this is exactly how I felt when playing this game. I hated it to the point where I quit, but after watching this video it inspired me to replay

[@clairefutrell5089]

I stumbled across this video and I was so confused hearing these familiar voices from my favorite podcast! This is great!

[@randomtrucks]

"I tell you what, why don't you go to bed, this day is ruined" griffin talks to his big brother like my depression talks to me

[@jasonbrody1619]

i love the supportive and not at all condescending talks

[@anonymousl1660]

This is amazing! Funny, entertaining, appealing! I subscribed and I'm watching this whole thing!!

[@The_ice_berg357]

😂 I had fun listening to you two.Thank you for the video I did learn a thing or two.

[@sailor707]

this was really awesome and funny to watch :D i usually listen to the adventure zone and play stardew in the background. This was a cool change!

[@ameliej6690]

funny enough, this video is actually what made me interested in buying stardew

[@tucktuck6704]

Your dnd adventure zone podcasts were the best things I've ever listened to

[@misterkingdom3571]

"I'm looking for a buddy to bring me a potato. Please, god."

[@argella1300]

Also you can use the acorns and oak seeds to make field snacks, which are nice to bring into the mines.

[@brammes1317]

Griffin probably had nosebleeds from all the facepalming lmao ! Started playing this on the switch and Im loving it.

[@ameliej6690]

justin’s avatar? perfect

[@WadjetEye100]

GRIFFIN, HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY HUSBAND???

[@pey5571]

I am sooo late to this game but I am absolutely loving it so far.

[@shethewriter]

I went into this game cold, and on the switch. I was sooo lost lolol but it’s so funny to watch someone try to explain it to someone new

[@allsubstance]

I loved this! It's like playing stuff with my brothers

[@SirRampor]

Man this looks super chill

[@JeffreyRufino]

Thanks for this, I needed it to understand the game better. I didn't play Harvest Moon before