Stark Varg on an Enduro Track

[@ChrisKAloha]

Great vid. Lets see what comes out of the their work with Taddy. Hopefully a clutch but I don't think so. I don't see them reengineering the engine design at this point. I am sure there will be improvements for enduro.

[@kevindwyer3742]

Looks like a blast!

[@TheNorthPilot]

Third person view , way better than onboard view 👍 Thanks. Hand rear brake ❤

[@abrdun]

thx! I did what I wanted to see myself. I was considering strongly to get a Varg as my next bike, but after a day with it I got to conclusion it is not what I wanted.

[@gary6449]

I hope Stark-Varg is working on some form of *electronic* clutch, that would mimic (emulate) the function of current mechanical clutches. This would allow instant and precise power modulation in low-traction situations such as wet, slimy rocks and logs. Maybe this would be an opportunity for some ambitious aftermarket supplier..?

[@abrdun]

We can see what is achievable on EM Escape X electric trial bikes - they are much more forward with development. But there is one more thing I was missing - the gears - one twist of the throttle for all speeds. So if I wanted to ride with constant fast speed I had to keep hand constantly with a awkwardly rotated wrist. I did not hear anyone else on YT complaining about it which is surprising for me

[@jay_motocombat]

@@abrdun Interesting! I never thought of that advantage of gearing. What I can't picture is how to deal with the Varg on a true hard enduro absolutely f'd whiskey throttle. I NEED the clutch for a parachute in that situation.

[@dougsmith5873]

The back tire appears to break traction too much. Can it be controlled? I did not see you start up a steep hill. Was lack of traction the reason?

[@abrdun]

When bike looses traction (for example slippery rocks) - and you can see/hear it through all vid even on flat, rear wheel accelerates in an instant. On flat it will just throw rocks, but on an uphill it might turn bike sideways. It is somehow controllable, power delivery is very smooth, but there is no clutch to help it and no flywheel so when I closed the throttle bike just stops. I had it only once for only few hours so I could have changed mind of course. At this point I would not buy it for enduro. I also do not like one twist of the throttle for speed 0-100, then wrist has to be in uncomfortable twisted position while going fast, but that's another story.

[@dougsmith5873]

The motor has a feed back encoder for basic speed control. Three phase motors need that for low end torque. Some PID software revision could put the bike in servo/enduro mode making it great for enduro. A soft electric "clutch" potentiometer could be added for control. @@abrdun

[@abrdun]

@@dougsmith5873 Yes, let's wait and see what they come up with. Geometry is ok, power is smooth so the bike has potential. I remember first videos from Stark when they showed app - there was several options including traction control and flywheel effect. At this moment it is only power and engine breaking. So it seems they are working on it, but maybe it is just not ready for release yet

[@chajda111]

how many hours does the battery last in this mode?

[@abrdun]

I cannot say, we had it only for a day, tried several modes and did not push it hard. It felt like it could be enough for a good training day on an enduro track, but not sure if it would handle 2-3h of competition speed.

[@californiamicke9527]

🇸🇪👍👋🙂

[@bowilloughby2403]

I can’t quite explain it but it looks like you’re riding on a piece of wood. No burst of power when you need it. No clutch control, no powerband, just useless power. looks heavy in the saddle. 2T enduro will always be on top. proper machinery for the job.

[@abrdun]

Hi! Unfortunately you are right with your description. On terrain with bad traction it is a disaster, I agree. When there is good traction bike is very easy to handle and yes you can have then burst of power (very strong and controllable). For me it is a 'no go', I do not think that even updated software options for enduro like traction control or whatever would help. Clutch is one thing, but I also missed 'gears' - one twist for all speeds so very strange wrist position while riding more than 20kph

[@bowilloughby2403]

@@abrdundefinitely would do best in open scenarios or mx nonetheless thank you for the video. Can really see how it does on technical terrain. They must be doing some type of enduro mapping for Taddy on his stark this year. Impressive technology but I’m not sold on it for a woods bike.