STARK VARG vs 450 ARENACROSS || AX FEST 2023 | FansEyeView

The first time we have seen the Stark Varg in the flesh and its safe to say we are more than impressed.
If you were skeptical about it's capabilities or wondering if it could compete in Supercross style events with the top 450 machines we have the perfect RAW from the stands for you guys to do some homework on them!
What do you think about the Electric bike revolution?

[@rt5arge]

I just got an electric yesterday and after two days of riding I can confirm they are the near future. Fast, smooth, easy to ride.

[@tajjson]

The new generation will embrace these bikes. The old boomer generation will try to resist. But there is room for 2 strokes 4 strokes and electric bikes. Let everyone ride what they want. The most important thing is to have fun on the bike and get to ride.

[@phillipzx3754]

"The old boomer generation will try to resist.." Some might. I'm from the "Penton" generation. My first "real" dirt bike was a 175 Penton/KTM I bought brand new. I'm a boomer and I LOVE these electric bikes. Most of my "boomer" riding buddies do as well. We've seen tracks shutting down because of "noise." Tesla sells a 5 passenger sedan that can do the 1/4 mile in 9.1 seconds at 150 mph. I can only dream what the EV dirt bike performance will be like once they get a bit more "Tesla Plaid" level engineering behind them. The Stark Varg proves it can be done at the motocross level. KTM has ....well, something. But it's not capable of a motocross race. 🙂 I want to see all three perform against each other.

[@tajjson]

@@phillipzx3754 wow that’s impressive, never stop riding. I am also a boomer, my Varg will come in a couple of weeks. I have 3 2 strokes and two 4 strokes. But I expect the Varg to be the new favorite.

[@Tumid1]

How do you know "old boomer generation will try to resist"..ever ask one? Ageist

[@tajjson]

I am also a boomer, and I love my Varg, but a lot of keyboard warrior-hillbillies just hates electric, funny enough they have never tried one before they made their mind up.. @@phillipzx3754

[@tajjson]

I love my Varg, best bike I ever owned. I had probably over 40 bikes. My first one was a CR80R 1979. Have you got your bike yet?

[@barcuda1250]

So cool to think privates will be competitive again

[@tajjson]

Agree, you don’t need a huge factory budget to holeshot anymore. This will level the game 💪🏻

[@RIPPERTON]

Unless theres a Varg Pro team

[@thewhitedillard]

​@@RIPPERTONand you know there will be.

[@waynehearst317]

Remember when 4-strokes began to trickle on scene? Doug Henry was fast, but not high profile enough to legitimize them, it took Kevin Windham to do that on a Honda CRF450R. That opened the flood gates and next thing you know, what's a 2-stroke? This is exactly that. 100% I'll comment on this comment in 2-years when the ratio is more electric than combustion engine bikes racing....

[@wtfftw24]

Yes.. that was when Motocross started fading away

[@waynehearst317]

if you love moto for the experience of it, the freedom of 2-wheels and dirt, jumps, ruts, trails, track, desert, etc...then this is just another evolution, no problem. It's the "fans" of the sport who don't like it, they will miss the smell, the sound, etc. _ I get both sides. @@wtfftw24

[@estivengonzalezsolis2100]

938 Nm? O.o

[@Mxslots]

Next will be remote control bikes because they are even faster and safer 🙄👎

[@waynehearst317]

skip that and go straight to the VR goggles....100% safer and never have to leave the couch @@Mxslots

[@nickhowser7262]

It’s going to out do bikes that you have to shift and clutch on along with rear breaking with the foot. Even if it had the same power the advantage of having to less will lower lap times by several seconds. If you had to clutch and shift it would be a lot different.

[@petergriffin4629]

The bigger question is if the combustion people are gonna answer. You can absolutely make an automatic MX bike that works. Every other racing sport has automatics too. There are a bunch of technologies to choose from.

[@BarrettMeeker867]

@@petergriffin4629 They are complicated and $$ though. MotoGP has had seamless shifting for like 5+ years but zero production bikes have had it. Seems like it would bump the cost a good amount for sure.

[@petergriffin4629]

@@BarrettMeeker867 could be, but at least the works teams have that money to spend

[@waynehearst317]

nobody wants an automatic race bike. The clutch is KEY to modulating power in whoops, out of tight corners. Instead, you're going to see electric bikes with a clutch. Stamp it. The pros are already asking for it, also for safety. What if the electric bikes EMC fails and the throttle "sticks"? You have NO way to cut the power to the rear wheel and people will literally flip. A clutch is necessary.... @@petergriffin4629

[@lincolnsawyer5076]

@@petergriffin4629 they dont make automatic bikes for a reason. Im sure you could and it wouldnt be terrible, but clutch popping is the main key here. maybe an auto with clutch, but even still its no slower to just powershift 2-5 IMO. Auto gearboxes also would add weight and more points of failure, but im sure it possible someone will eventually do it. If im not mistaken we already have DCT adventure bikes, so im sure its not far away.

[@FourZeroMedia]

Great video boys👏

[@ralph04ification]

Our younger generation will grow up with them, ...then we will see who really are the better rider's.

[@Shawn-ts4jw]

Why? You think everyone will be on the same bike?

[@EVMANVSGAS]

The other bikes all farting back there, the Varg is shittin' and gettin' it.

[@mikedcaffey]

you can just hear the inefficiencies

[@sugarperez6933]

I've heard alot of very credible riders say its the best bike in the world right now.. guess im saving up for one lol

[@stevenleslie8557]

We can see it is competitive.

[@jonruger]

For 15 minutes until the battery dies. They are cool but batteries still need to advance.

[@doglover136_]

@@jonrugersome guy did an off-road race and it was about 45 minutes and doing two of those he was at 30% then charged it with a 220 volt generator it’s on MXG’s channel

[@jonruger]

@@doglover136_ interesting because guys have been barely getting 20 vet motos on them. The one in England that raced arena cross was using 80% in 15 minute motos.

[@jonruger]

@@doglover136_ off road doesn’t put as much load on an engine my 450 can ride for 3-4 hours in the woods and use the same fuel I do in 30-35 minutes racing motocross.

[@Corteum]

@@jonruger And they will advance, obviously. Where were batteries 50 years ago? Where are they now? Project forward from here..

[@Bonky-wonky]

The future is here, we just have to accept it. As a long time mx fan I’ll definitely miss the sound of a combustion engine but that’s how things go..

[@Toddhull6185]

Did it fade out coz of the battery or rider

[@hoyvintagecycles2936]

rider faded and the other rider was faster in the woops.

[@mgbill793]

What happens if you have to race for 45 minutes?

[@blarpieman]

You push home. lol failllll

[@mgbill793]

@@blarpieman exactly, this electric BS has to stop. Need to drill oil for this country.

[@Birky_41]

It'll last a full MXGP Moto or over an hour at full power on an mx track. An hour to fully charge. I wouldnt buy one & enjoy my old 500 2 stroke but range is not an issue on these...its a 6.5kw battery!

[@blarpieman]

@@Birky_41 I am seeing 45 minutes on youtube mxr's running it hard then its down to 10% and a full charge is 2 hours for complete charge they are saying. Its the future but you have to pull up your gas generator to charge it and its useless offroad for any normal 40 mile rides. That rally sucks cause I''d buy one if they get the run time to over 3.5 offroad. The battery tech isn't there yet.

[@moneyontrees6]

Mxa killed the battery in one hour at Glen Hellen.

[@spartacovincenzi1836]

top!

[@timoneill8283]

Thats a very cool bike foresure but i like to burn rubber AND fuel👍

[@brianbennett3984]

Electric dirt bikes will lose 90 per cent of the old school viewers! Need the sound an smell of an engine!

[@herrion2412]

@@brianbennett3984 If you're willing to quit riding and watching motocross because of them being electric then dirtbikes aren't for you, everyone has known for years this would happen its just a reality of the future. It definitely is sad that you wont hear or smell the bikes for much longer but its going to be the norm soon, just like 2 strokes and 4 strokes a lot of people would stay on 2 strokes but they aren't as competitive compared to a new 4 stroke. But the casual riders will probably have gas bikes for a long time, in 2035 they said all the bike brands will be electric which is in a long time so no need to worry about it.

[@jayDotFishing01]

@@herrion2412 in 12years. i still wont be able to afford a new bike lol

[@herrion2412]

@@jayDotFishing01 If you want it enough you can get it, feels better when you get it knowing you worked hard for it anyway 🤷‍♂

[@jayDotFishing01]

@@herrion2412 lol 🤣🤣

[@behanstunts1815]

Who's riding the Stark?

[@kevinnilsson7844]

Electric should be its own class. Definetly not compete against 450s.

[@c4r5on88]

I want a stark so bad 😢

[@Barefoot-Bob]

it is a chance to level the playing field, privateers will need there skills not a factory backing to compete . exciting times

[@slokingkevin4629]

Who is on starkvarg

[@ericenglund2541]

Thomas do from france

[@robertsothmann8110]

Electric will become the new Supercross standard...and all the riders will be mic'd up etc.

[@williamquiap8444]

But what about a wet race?

[@rmass299]

i want to see Hondas electric bike, future is getting closer and closer

[@summitmoto]

Same here! It looks real good in the photos, hopefully the technology is strong

[@jowill.youtube]

Honda does not make electric motorcycles. They just transformed a thermal... Which is what lots of people around the world are already doing. The major brands explain that the weight distribution in a motorcycle is super important for riding. So make a chassis to accommodate an electric motor. Putting a battery and motor in a combustion motorcycle is not prototyping.

[@BallBiter56]

Why does everyone think that in the future there will only be electric bikes and not gas and electric? gas will catch up in power.

[@rilwicc5002]

Imma be honest we gotta winner😂😂😂

[@rico8089]

Did he get passed because the battery got week?

[@wtfftw24]

Yes

[@voltageadventure9071]

Not at all! The guy on the thumper is just a much more capable faster rider. It just took him a while to come back from a worse start.

[@madquad6695]

Is this the future?.

[@wtfftw24]

Hopefully not

[@gacho-mf9lz]

@@wtfftw24 unfortunatly yes :D

[@jadenwilliams2863]

He run out of battery or what? Lmao

[@jarredtremain4644]

This is how mx/sx racing was ruined by racing 450 4strokes with heaps more power against 250 2strokes. 80hp vs 55hp isn't fair.

[@LanceRyley]

that's fair, but every review I've seen, no one can ride it at 80hp. most find the right power band is in the 50-60 hp range. I think where it really excels is in getting the hole shot because it's pure torque and no shifting. easier to ride from the front. If they're going to race against 450s they should be limited to the highest HP the 450s can run.

[@andreitudose3838]

In the end, they weren't even in the same Global time zone...

[@usualsuspectsfor1k]

Reminds me of a trans man in women's sports. Start a new class for E-bikes.

[@yamagrow420]

Is it because you see an unfair advantage ? Why not open class ?

[@Raydio6]

Varg was pulling away from the pack

[@gpaull2]

Can’t wait until the races are quiet and the pits are noisy with screaming generators all day. 🙄

[@wtfftw24]

Battery gone soon😂😂

[@travdaugherty9959]

That bike could be pushing 80hp. How is that fair?\

[@skip741x3]

They actually make 67 whp on the dyno and thats at the 80hp setting... not as much as they claim but they Do make mountains of instant torque thats a serious advantage and no need to shift as well

[@troydimsdale2331]

A world full of electric motorcycles is going to suck. A huge portion of the experience of going to a motocross race is the sound and the smell.

[@jimic111154]

Ride a Stark!

[@B2C2007]

It won't suck for me

[@wtfftw24]

Agree 💯%

[@hardergamer]

The problem is we are losing places to ride ICE bikes with more and more noise complaints getting tracks closed down, we lost 3 near me in the last 6-7 years alone.

[@davidbrewer9777]

I get the sound. But the smell? Bro I know gas smells so fire but we need to kick back on the smellingtons… ….END EMOTO HATE….

[@uncleartax]

Watching motocross is gunna turn into golf spectating have to stay silent

[@AF23IT]

I hate 4 stroke lawnmowers in MX, so I like anything that can beat them

[@woutjeable]

Computer says nooo

[@johndepperschmidt8984]

This is exactly why the AMA/FIM are blackballing them. They are scared.

[@bikesbeersbeats]

Sponsors are scared. Money talks.

[@fpvflyriding]

Stark Varg is winning everywhere!!

[@bob-qi4nr]

That's funny. It didn't win here.

[@BenWilson24]

@@bob-qi4nr when was the last time you saw any of the recent stark riders win a race on a gas bike? It's not like you've watched the top guys race on them and then lose. Thomas Do, who I've never seen at the front of any pack, holeshot at Paris SX. You're just being extremely odd about the whole thing. I wouldn't even expect the best guys to do better on them right off the bat because they have to get used to them and the bike is still being improved. Alex Martin did a decent video where he rode a stark for the first time at millville and then rode his gasgas. His stark times were faster after only a handful of laps on it

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@BenWilson24 Martin was a 350. Maybe he should have been on a 450. It would have been more fair.

[@BenWilson24]

@@bob-qi4nr Look up the power curves of 450s vs Starks. The power curve of the stark has higher HP at every rpm by design

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@BenWilson24 You have the answer to every thing. Get a life.

[@DTM45]

Hmmm…

[@ultimatedriversofmachinery]

Good job boys runnin down that lithium battery

[@ibelieve96]

Wouldn’t mind owning one but racing needs fuel and engine noise! Imagine a track full of them it would be quite and boring.

[@EVMANVSGAS]

Guess you wouldn't mind owning one because they are bettter. But.... imagine a day when you don't have to breath all the fumes or put ear plugs on little kids, or deal with all those moving parts. That sounds terrible.

[@jarnosaarinen4583]

Every time you twist the throttle it gets slower, weaker & worth less!

[@jawanzabanyard1400]

Facts

[@downhillupside]

Not how it works, no. Lots of pros have ridden them and they maintain their HP until the last 10% of battery or so and then start slowing down a bit.

[@graffzon]

And next year all of the riders ride stark , Ppl wiol watch ghe first race or 2, Get tired of no motor sound and the year after the series is dead ^^

[@RydenAround]

Soooooo awesome!!!! The future for sure

[@garbageman3992]

on tracks like this where a lot of shifting is involved they are really fast, they are prety quick but EVERYTING else about them is far worse, especially that they arent green at all. they are also difficult to ride as they dont have flat power output and have a power band that increases quickly from 0-60kmh,

[@hardergamer]

You clearly don't have a clue how electric motors work, they make max torque just past zero RPM and as the RPM increases the torque goes down, meaning they have the flattest power you can have, this is why everything from ships to Trains uses electric motors (Diesel electric) as they have a flat power curve, and is why EVs do not use gears, they are not harder to ride, and that's why youngsters have been riding electric bikes for years now, with one of the easiest bikes you can ride being the KTM FreeRide-E. Try learning engineering 101 before commenting on something you clearly don't have the slightest clue about.

[@garbageman3992]

@@hardergamer yeah electric motors make peak torque right just a bit after zero rpm and decrease in torque as rom continues which makes very flat power AFTER the peak power output is reached, before that due ot the torque being pretty consitantly high for like 8ish percent of the bottom of the rpm range and the rpm increse it creates a power curve steeper than 45 degrees for the first rouhly 10-20 percent of the total rev range, once peak power is hit its is really flat and doesnt drop in power output much but before peak power is hit its steep as a mf and insanely difficult ot control. the only reason the ktm freeride e bike is easy is because it makes like 30 hp max so you dont mind the steep initial power increase since the thing barely has the power to lift the front tire but with hihg wattage bikes like the stark its really difficult ot handle it in the 0-40 kmh range. i know a lot about engineering, I look at the equations to calculate output power and such and this is why I am mad at people like you, you yap on about others not knowing engineering while oyu litterally dont understand the thing you are talking about yourself. like search up tesla dyno chart and look at the steep power increase, and thats with computer intervention to help make it smoother. bldc motors litterally make extremely steep power at first, its not arguable. so go learn some engineering and look at the equations and power charts before telling legitimate engineers with legitimate concerns to just trust the manufactures

[@BenWilson24]

Funny how everyone is concerned now about how green they are. You obviously have zero understanding of electric motors and controllers though. You can program the power curve however you want it to behave because these have plenty of excess to work with. An electric motor is way out of the league of a combustion engine for performance and controllability. You could program the controller to mimic your current bike if you wanted. And before you write another novel that nobody will read, I've been an engineer on electric landspeed record cars before. Done power train design, cooling system design, controller design.

[@hardergamer]

@@BenWilson24 I am shocked at how little he knows or understands, and by his reckoning diesel electric trains must be non stop spinning pulling away, and all EVs must be pigs to ride or drive.

[@garbageman3992]

@@BenWilson24 if electric motors are totally controllable and you are an esc and controller designer then how would you get an electric motor to give its full output at any rpm below 10 percent of the motors total rev range? yeah not physically possible. I'm not officially an engineer or electrical engineer but I have plenty of experience working with bldc, brushed, and even stepper motors in plenty of projects from rc airplanes to cars to mechanical arms with cvt's built in for maximum arm movement speed and maximum strength based on load. now sonsidering I make cvt's, select prop types and sizes, and do other transmitions and things connected to bldc motors Its pretty safe to assume I know what rpm's they make peak power and torque and such. now this also isnt something that is arguable based off of experience. mathematically speaking bldc motors have the power curve i descrbed int he prior comment, beyond 45 degree steep at first to around the 30 percent rpm mark, then from there it levels out and slowly lowers in power until its arond half of its peak output power, this is where most esc's cut the rpms. so this isnt somehting thats arguable. this is math.

[@BallBiter56]

Why does everyone say its so much better when the 450s are literally keeping up to a bike that takes zero skill.

[@mentalmoto763]

Shame! Quiet bikes belong near quiet zones! I motor less race would suck!

[@cocopirata763]

no like e future

[@bdcollar]

The majority of fans will turn their back on the sport if they ever try to go 100% electric. Nobody cares whether or not those bikes perform better or worse than real bikes. The experience of being at an event live will lose it's allure and the sport will completely die.

[@shredmas]

Like BMX and MTB racing?

[@uncleartax]

Isn’t that the same that was said about 4 strokes? When racing winning is everthing put all that money time, effort and lose to electric… your going electric

[@Lowe-life]

Who the f want to listen to thumpers. Gross. Maybe 2 strokes.

[@eo_jiraya0310]

Quanto drama, tá carente?

[@flatslide3250]

4 stroke singles, the worst sounding mx engines ever 🤮

[@jacktheripper-hp9tx]

the new bike has to have more to get rid of the older bike history