Why It's Impossible to Pitch at Coors Field

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Жыл бұрын

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The Colorado Rockies have never been able to figure out pitching, but it’s never been their fault. It is all but impossible to pitch in their home stadium…
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@kabby29
@kabby29 Жыл бұрын
Maybe they should try a 6 pitcher rotation with 3 dedicated home pitchers and 3 dedicated away pitchers. That way they don't have to go back and forth making adjustments.
@shidditiddis
@shidditiddis Жыл бұрын
Congrats, you just landed yourself as the GM of the Rocks!
@kabby29
@kabby29 Жыл бұрын
@@shidditiddis ...shit. can I take back what I said?
@shidditiddis
@shidditiddis Жыл бұрын
@@kabby29 you’re the only one who can save them, David.
@ericwolf9664
@ericwolf9664 Жыл бұрын
@@kabby29 Maybe you can try to also find a pitching coach who can teach how to pitch for soft contact while at mile high and build up some good outfielders.
@nelsonsamuelsanchez
@nelsonsamuelsanchez Жыл бұрын
Please David, generations of Rockies fans depend on you 🙏
@skalty9868
@skalty9868 Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting drafted by the Rockies as a young pitcher. I’d cry
@JoseSanchez0795
@JoseSanchez0795 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@nickmanville900
@nickmanville900 Жыл бұрын
Front offices are smarter than that. If a pitcher has bad numbers and he's from Colorado, they'll just look at his away stats. Still, it's pretty unfair, but FO's are smart enough to know that a 5 ERA pitcher can still be really good if he's from Colorado.
@luxace2576
@luxace2576 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being a Rockies fan like me 💀💀
@mollyguap
@mollyguap Жыл бұрын
I’d still love the opportunity and take it so fast 😢
@NationGamingChannel
@NationGamingChannel Жыл бұрын
As a college pitcher who currently pitches in Denver, I would KILL to be drafted by the rockies.
@nickmanville900
@nickmanville900 Жыл бұрын
2:10, its actually the opposite. The magnus effect is what gives pitches their break, the higher the altitude, the less magnus effect there is because the air is less dense.
@brianhiedemansr2936
@brianhiedemansr2936 Жыл бұрын
Correction, the closest the Rockies got to having an ERA under 4 according to the chart you put up, it came in2018 with a 4.33 eight oints lower than their 4.41 ERA in 2009.
@davidsorensen2116
@davidsorensen2116 Жыл бұрын
Also, the home-road splits slide doesn't match the full season slide, for at least 2007 which has a full season 4.65 ERA but ERA calculated from the home-road splits slide of 4.31
@bb3intheoc898
@bb3intheoc898 Жыл бұрын
2009: "I am the lowest all-time Rockies home ERA at 4.41" 2018: "Hold my beer"
@BIOHAZARDRUSGaming
@BIOHAZARDRUSGaming Жыл бұрын
Something else surprisingly not mentioned here for pitchers coming to Coors in new Purple and Black, is the mental strain of knowing you have elite stuff that results in elite results and statistics, but then seeing your stuff get absolutely annihilated constantly. I’m sure it’s a gut-punching feeling to constantly not give up any runs when you have an impressively low ERA year after year, to then seeing that balloon higher and higher every outing, seeing the home runs leave the field, seeing some less-than stellar defense cost you even further. It’s incredibly demoralizing. That Nolan Arenado dugout tirade video comes to mind. Once that demoralization sets in deep enough, one would start to question the quality of their stuff, maybe make unnecessary or extreme changes, get injured trying to, or further fuel the implosion.
@fowcc
@fowcc Жыл бұрын
The field dimensions at Coors are a HUGE factor too. Sooo much outfield to cover causes more base hits. Then those base hits turn into 1st-to-3rds the next time the ball is hit.
@ifbfmto9338
@ifbfmto9338 Жыл бұрын
Well…… what’s the alternative, exactly???? If they had a smaller outfield there’d just be even more home runs……
@fowcc
@fowcc Жыл бұрын
@@ifbfmto9338 super tall green monster type fences- just think about it, you could make them like the mountains too... Want to hit a homerun at Coors? Gotta hit it over the mountains! They'll never do it, but it would be awesome and they should!
@ifbfmto9338
@ifbfmto9338 Жыл бұрын
@@fowcc They’ll never do it, correct And look at what just happened in the higher elevation Mexico City game, it is what it is 🤷🏼‍♂️
@fowcc
@fowcc Жыл бұрын
@@ifbfmto9338 So yeah take the Mexico City dimensions, bring in CF 10 ft, then make the fences varying between 20-30 feet all around. :Chefs kiss:
@ifbfmto9338
@ifbfmto9338 Жыл бұрын
@@fowcc I mean it’s not going to happen, but it’s genuinely not a bad idea
@cheflos
@cheflos Жыл бұрын
2:19 the graph says that the lowest era was 4.33 in 2018 not 4.41 in 2009
@Parlimant_Strifey
@Parlimant_Strifey Жыл бұрын
sorta wonder if this video is put together by an online team at that point. Hard to miss that stat.
@jdmagicmusic
@jdmagicmusic Жыл бұрын
@@Parlimant_Strifey yeah, especially since it's just to the left of the year they cited! and Arizona also has very dry air (although not the altitude)
@MrPezdispencer
@MrPezdispencer Жыл бұрын
​@@Parlimant_Strifey It's still a good video you got to watch for free though. Don't forget that.
@Parlimant_Strifey
@Parlimant_Strifey Жыл бұрын
@@MrPezdispencer stop white knighting, you are better then that. Nothing is free either, stop eating up that yummy nonsense you are fed.
@davisbalser203
@davisbalser203 Жыл бұрын
Maybe its league adjusted better? Why wouldn't they display ERA+ for that though? Pretty sure they just missed it.
@katiewilbanks5420
@katiewilbanks5420 Жыл бұрын
I watched Kyle Freeland dominate in 2018. l wish he still pitched like he did
@DMoneys36
@DMoneys36 Жыл бұрын
he still has good stuff, but he got pretty mercilessly scouted, and struggled with blisters forcing him to switch from his infamous slider to now a decent curveball as his main secondary.
@adampaniagua8051
@adampaniagua8051 Жыл бұрын
I went from playing college ball in az with all wood bats (junior college) to playing in the Rocky Mountain athletic conference which is mainly in Colorados elevation this past year and it’s almost an entirely different game solely from the elevation. Team ERA’a went from like 4 in Arizona to 9 in Colorado😂
@brandonjay1977
@brandonjay1977 Жыл бұрын
I feel you in that one, Youngblood, I played in the RMAC 12-15 years ago when composite bats were the thing. Thankfully, my senior year, those were banned but scores were still silly. Those days we had the NCAA leader in batting average and RBI not get drafted but pitchers with 6 ERAs getting drafted. No one respected the offensive numbers the RMAC put up. 😂
@SaxyStephens
@SaxyStephens Жыл бұрын
Honest question: If we are so quick to discredit hitting numbers at Coors, should we not also discredit pitching numbers at Kaufman Stadium, one of MLB's biggest ballparks? And likewise, why do we not praise Mike Moustakas (2017), Jorge Soler (2019) and Salvador Perez (2021) for their accomplishments "in the ballpark they play in"?
@SmoothCriminal12
@SmoothCriminal12 Жыл бұрын
Coors Field is the equivalent of 200cc in Mario Kart 8, total chaos
@astrostar49
@astrostar49 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video. I'm trying to learn more about the game, and it's history as a late-bloomer. I found this really fascinating.
@kennansnipes
@kennansnipes Жыл бұрын
Pitchers with great seasons at CO should be elevated in Cy Young voting just the same that hitters get dropped for playing in CO. MVP caliber seasons see hitters drop 3-5 spots in MVP voting just for playing at that elevation, but pitchers don't see that same improvement in votes. Jimenez's 2010 didn't see a single first place vote yet his numbers were comparable to Halladay's AND he did it half at Coors!
@komickaze85
@komickaze85 Жыл бұрын
You forgot about the "hangover effect" of going up high, then low, then high with not enough time to adjust to either.
@ToBeHonestWitchu
@ToBeHonestWitchu Жыл бұрын
Very true
@Gyxyeg
@Gyxyeg Жыл бұрын
For a second I thought you replied to yourself
@TheKoenigsParkour
@TheKoenigsParkour Жыл бұрын
Maybe MLB should introduce a COORS Baseball which has elevated seams
@ChampionsClub2030
@ChampionsClub2030 Жыл бұрын
Go further, have designated baseballs for every 500 feet density altitude up to 6500 feet, whatever the density altitude is that day use that ball
@houcky7777
@houcky7777 Жыл бұрын
The alcoholic in me thought you were talking about a baseball shaped can of coors lol
@Pretzulkj
@Pretzulkj Жыл бұрын
A large part of why the pre-2002 seasons at Coors were so insane is because the baseballs they received from the MLB would actually shrink and get harder in the dry air of Colorado. They were the first team to ever install a humidor for their baseballs in 2002 because it got so bad, so now the balls are stored in a special climate-controlled storage room at 70 degrees and 50% relative humidity (which is well above the 30-40% average RH, and colder average temperatures, that Denver sees otherwise). That alone had a dramatic effect on the scoring at Coors field, but obviously you can only do so much when the pitches don't move like they're supposed to. German Marquez is a good example of a pitcher who's terrible elsewhere (because his fastball is, admittedly, sub-par in other stadiums) but good at Coors specifically because his terrible fastball turns into a unique pitch that batters struggle to hit once it starts to drop even further at Coors, like a fastball with the drop of a change-up.
@cricketexplained8526
@cricketexplained8526 Жыл бұрын
@@Pretzulkj That's interesting.
@joeg5414
@joeg5414 Жыл бұрын
@@ChampionsClub2030 nice, someone that understands density altitude. Not understanding density altitude has killed MANY pilots. Hot air is less dense. When it's hot and you're at 6,500 ft trying to get off the ground, you're gonna have problems if you're not accounting for density altitude. But yeah, I like your idea.
@josho.9789
@josho.9789 Жыл бұрын
It's tough but the Rockies just need to be better. Study and draft pitchers who grew up in Colorado and high altitudes. Sign actual offensive stars not aging Ian Desmonds and struggling Kris Bryants. It's pretty simple but they are in Denver for Entertainment purposes so.. 🤷‍♂️
@JG2K
@JG2K Жыл бұрын
Ubaldo Jimenez had a couple great seasons as a rocky including the best in recent memory in 2010 when he went 19-8 with a 2.88 ERA and ERA+ of 161. Finished 3rd in Cy Young voting behind Wainwright and the winner Roy Halladay who had 21 wins on top of a 2.44 ERA, 8.5 WAR and a completely absurd 9 complete games, 4 shutouts and 250 innings pitched.
@skidrat55
@skidrat55 5 ай бұрын
Makes you wonder what that year for Ubaldo would have looked like in a normal park. He was absolutely electric at that point in time. That said, Halladay is my favorite player to ever toe the rubber so I'm glad he won.
@cthefro
@cthefro Жыл бұрын
Thoughts from a sad Rockies fan... Basically what needs to happen is either designated road/home starters or the Rockies front office needs to focus on the type of pitchers that have success. Successful being pitchers with cutters, sliders, and circle change ups as horizontal movement is not harmed by high elevation but can actually be helped, pitchers with 4 seam and sinker combos preferably with low spin rate, and pitchers that throw a curve ball that isn't a hard break but just falls out like a knuckle curve or a 12-6. We also need to have good outfielders. We have had a lot of premier infield talent which is important because how fast the infield is. However, the same cannot be said for the outfield. Players like Kris Bryant can be a fine enough outfielder for most teams, but not for the Rockies. Bryant said that's it's too hard to do. We throw out guys like Bryant and Blackmon for their offense but they will cost even more runs defensively. You have to have fast outfielders with good range like Larry walker or cargo. However none of that will happen with the dumpster fire front office and bud black as manager who has no idea how to play in Colorado.
@wildsmiley
@wildsmiley Жыл бұрын
100% agree. It's hard to wear the purple and black.
@cthefro
@cthefro Жыл бұрын
@@wildsmiley it's harder when most people that wear it (Denver sports fans) will go more for the experience than a competitive team.
@tonyschmitz1997
@tonyschmitz1997 Жыл бұрын
Great content. Two other things that are often overlooked is how hitters struggle on the road having to adjust to different pitches especially after a long home stand and how the longevity of starters at Coors is shorter then other teams.
@rickmoreno7166
@rickmoreno7166 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. ONe other note that goes back further than Jimenez and Freeland is Jason Jennings' rookie season in 2002. While he was named Rookie of the Year that year, one could make a legit case for him as a Cy Young candidate, especially by the stats used more back then. Jennings went 16-8 in 2002, but he also had three no-decisions at home where he left with a lead and the bullpen blew it. Especially in those pre-humidor days, that 16-8 and 4.52 ERA should have had Jennings a fairly close second to the Big Unit that year.
@1015Elvis
@1015Elvis Жыл бұрын
Missed the 4.33 in 2018
@Cynthionic
@Cynthionic Жыл бұрын
Great video. Coors is a lot more than just a great hitters park, playing there is very different from everywhere else
@JuanMartinez-xf3uz
@JuanMartinez-xf3uz Жыл бұрын
Huston Street posted an impressive 3.51 ERA in his 3 seasons with Colorado, which is a bit like saying "that pitcher hits .200, what a great hitter!"
@angelcanez4426
@angelcanez4426 Жыл бұрын
3.50 is actually a pretty good era
@jamesfarrell8339
@jamesfarrell8339 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video I really enjoyed it I never heard of this Great job 😂
@erichuffman6665
@erichuffman6665 Жыл бұрын
Ubaldo Jimenez is as good as you can get as a Rockies Pitcher
@YunaCrawford
@YunaCrawford Жыл бұрын
True
@michaelstein7510
@michaelstein7510 Жыл бұрын
His slider was disgusting in the late 2000s. Near unhittable.
@dafttassia1960
@dafttassia1960 Жыл бұрын
I want to see a knuckleball pitcher at coors
@johnnymoondog9474
@johnnymoondog9474 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too. I wonder if the thinner, drier air would make a knuckleball move even more than usual.
@VRNocturne
@VRNocturne Жыл бұрын
Gotta find a knuckleballer first - they seem to be a dying breed
@michaelbaucom4019
@michaelbaucom4019 Жыл бұрын
The outfield is huge, and OFs have to play deep, all the bloop hits/Texas Leaguers that fall in, plus the infield is hard as a rock most of the year, grounders get through. And cheap homers. That is what kills pitching
@StarkRavingSports
@StarkRavingSports Жыл бұрын
100%
@rl9817
@rl9817 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Subscribed.
@terukiito8153
@terukiito8153 Жыл бұрын
You discussed how pitchers' ERAs would change when they moved between the Rockies and other teams. However, wouldn't it be better to look at FIP instead, in case the Rockies happens to not invest in good fielding?
@CJ_Brown
@CJ_Brown Жыл бұрын
I think the vast size of the outfield has a lot to do with that.
@ericwolf9664
@ericwolf9664 Жыл бұрын
ERA+ would be a better thing to look at instead of FIP imo. Especially since soft contact specialists are perhaps the most reliable thing you could attempt to acquire for part of the pitching core.
@CJ_Brown
@CJ_Brown Жыл бұрын
Bud black’s comments there show that he is a dinosaur. I think a different approach at coors would be a great idea. Don’t know what would work but I think it should be encouraged
@the_claydog02
@the_claydog02 Жыл бұрын
7:53 I was at that game. Wade Davis scared me then. But now I can look at the facts and see why he digressed.
@the_claydog02
@the_claydog02 Жыл бұрын
@james denlea sure?
@isaiahgibbs8040
@isaiahgibbs8040 Жыл бұрын
I like learning abt science behind sports for no reason
@hempster24
@hempster24 Жыл бұрын
First female I've come across talking about sports on KZbin. Fantastic video. Just subscribed. I clicked on this because my buddy from high school is the back up catcher for the Rockies.
@matts82581
@matts82581 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I feel like Pedro Astacio did well there. He was there for awhile and wasn't terrible. That'd be an interesting deep dive.
@gregmonahan
@gregmonahan Жыл бұрын
pedro astacio never had a full season in Colorado with an ERA lower than 5 🤷🏻‍♂️
@matts82581
@matts82581 Жыл бұрын
@@gregmonahan Ok. He had some winning years and seemed successful in the world of Rockies pitchers and the point of the video was that a lot of them struggled. They all usually struggle there but he was just sort of an exception.
@DanielDuranamoPRODuran
@DanielDuranamoPRODuran Жыл бұрын
That’s weird because having grown up in Colorado Springs which is higher elevation than Denver, the guys I caught for that had legit curve balls and numerous breaking pitches never had issues with their breaking balls. This is high school/college guys but still. I didn’t realize it was so hard to pitch at Coors field
@louiscypher4186
@louiscypher4186 Жыл бұрын
The difference is those guys your playing with are mostly playing in Colorado. So they don't need to adjust to playing at lower elevations that much. The issue is playing at 5183ft in Coors on Monday, then having to play at 13ft in petco park on Friday.
@ChairmanMeow1
@ChairmanMeow1 Жыл бұрын
I had heard of the magnus effect affecting how much a ball sinks, hooks, etc. But wow I didnt realize it was THAT influential. A couple inches difference on a pitch is massive. edit - Nomo was sooooo entertaining to watch when he first got in the bigs. we'd never seen a delivery like his and it was just fun.
@dollartwentychickentendies
@dollartwentychickentendies Жыл бұрын
Excellent vid but you didn't even mention the humidor! It was supposed to have AN effect when they implemented it in the early 00s but whether it has or not (and in which way) escapes me rn
@rickmoreno7166
@rickmoreno7166 Жыл бұрын
It definitely has had an effect to make baseball more normal. Prior to the installation of the humidor, Coors saw just 3 games where fewer than three runs were scored (3-0, 2-1, or 2-0 scores). Since the humidor was installed it's still not an everyday occurrence, but it's not nearly as rare to see a low-scoring game there, and the first three 1-0 games were played in 2005-2006. The first seven years of the park saw an average score of game of 7-6 (7.12 runs for the Rockies vs 6.44 for their opponents. Since then, the average score of a game is 6-5 (5.53 for the Rockies vs 5.49 for the opponents).
@cricketexplained8526
@cricketexplained8526 Жыл бұрын
Cricket watcher here. So turning this on its head, are there ballparks renowned for the ball does more for pitchers than what might be considered the norm? Also, what other factors come into play as a whole, which affect break and/or drop? Humidity? Temperature? Cloud cover? Stadium design? (height of stands affecting airflow or currents).
@nickmanville900
@nickmanville900 Жыл бұрын
The ballparks where the ball breaks the most are the ballparks that are at sea level, but every ballpark (with the exception of Coors) is at a close enough elevation that pitches behave basically the same everywhere. Humidity, temp, and all other things you mentioned don't really affect the break of a pitch either, wind can affect a pitch, but since balls with spin on them will always have some type of stability, the wind only really affects balls when the pitcher throws a knuckleball (a pitch that intentionally has as little spin as possible). There are parks known for being pitcher parks for another reason though, large dimensions will make it harder to hit home runs, and stadiums that are right on the ocean will have fly balls fall quicker because of their humid marine layer. An example of a very pitcher friendly park would be PetCo Park in San Diego, it has probably the strongest marine layer of any stadium in baseball and flyballs just can't seem to make it out of that place.
@cricketexplained8526
@cricketexplained8526 Жыл бұрын
@@nickmanville900 Thanks for the detailed reply. I mentioned those factors to get a sense of how it contrasts to cricket ball behaviour.
@mlc9928
@mlc9928 Жыл бұрын
You’re spot on. Less friction means less break and also more flight.
@conor5223
@conor5223 Жыл бұрын
I found the game that 3:56 took place on (because I was bored). The game was the Mets vs. the Rockies, April 16, 2013. In the footage, David Wright grounds out to Chris Nelson, who then turns a 5-4-3 double play. The Rockies would beat the Mets 9-8 in extras on a walk-off single by Jordan Pacheco.
@fetahuan
@fetahuan Жыл бұрын
2:30 "the lowest is a 4.41 ERA in 2009" - and a 4.33 from 2018 smiling at me
@CrackSkellington
@CrackSkellington Жыл бұрын
We might not be good, but going to a game at coors is always exciting
@dsimpson530
@dsimpson530 Жыл бұрын
I don't follow the Milb close enough but do the Albuquerque Isotopes (CO Rockies affiliate) who also play a mile above sea level have similar ballpark stats to Coors field?
@samuelwallace2782
@samuelwallace2782 Жыл бұрын
I will say that games at Coors field are really fun to watch
@davesravens47
@davesravens47 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone addressed the real issue with colors. Only thing people mention is that the ball goes further off the bat.
@chickenmcbawkcawk565
@chickenmcbawkcawk565 Жыл бұрын
The Rockies organization just needs to actually invest into a pitching staff for once or their team in general to become playoff competitive.
@gabrielv.2647
@gabrielv.2647 Жыл бұрын
I give my money to ubaldo Jimenez he did his damn thang at Coors. I get it tho not many pitchers that are ace type or at least a solid 1 or two don't want to go there. Why? Because of Coors reputation, it's a launching pad short of NASA sending a rocket or a shuttle into space ..
@Parlimant_Strifey
@Parlimant_Strifey Жыл бұрын
Jimenez and Francis are legendary Rockies pitchers.
@gabrielv.2647
@gabrielv.2647 Жыл бұрын
@@Parlimant_Strifey thats right. How can I forget J.francis. the original lefty wise short of m. Hampton.
@kwakerjak
@kwakerjak Жыл бұрын
Given the problems stem partially from how the altitude affects spin, you’d think the Rockies would be encouraging at least some of the pitchers in their farm system to try picking up the knuckleball.
@jim72068
@jim72068 Жыл бұрын
This video does not even touch on the fact that the ball travels further off the bat at Coors than it does at sea level. To mitigate this effect they made the the fences extra deep, probably 20 feet farther than what would be considered standard. But a larger outfield now means there is more ground that the fielders need to cover so they have to play a little deeper and more bloop hits will drop in in front of them. The only thing they can do to change this is to put a big bubble over the stadium and pressurize to down closer to sea level like an airplane cabin.
@nickmanville900
@nickmanville900 Жыл бұрын
This video doesn't talk about hitting because it's a video about pitching. 😂 Making the stadium a pressurized dome would fix the problem but it also would be outrageously expensive, not even a franchise as rich as the Dodgers would do something like that.
@Dannysthetics
@Dannysthetics Жыл бұрын
great video
@googleislame
@googleislame Жыл бұрын
This makes Hideout Nomo's no-hitter so impressive.
@ericmonaco4509
@ericmonaco4509 Жыл бұрын
Hideout? You mean Hid K o
@opticalecho119
@opticalecho119 Жыл бұрын
It’s comforting to know that the Rockies never having good pitching isn’t solely the fault of the pitching staff
@showtimenick824
@showtimenick824 Жыл бұрын
Good point at the end about pitchers deserving more credit if hitters get discredited at Coors. You know what though, Larry Walker and Nolan Arenado both ended up being just fine after leaving the Rockies though.
@failurefiend
@failurefiend 7 ай бұрын
Why not focus on bringing in denver born and raised pitching staff? Surely they'd have an advantage
@bryantsteury8910
@bryantsteury8910 Жыл бұрын
Along with "do you wanna pitch good at home or on the road? Pick one", while they're AT coors a 2nd layer to that onion is "are you going to try and induce contact given the cavernous outfield or are you going to try and get guys out on your own?" I think the only way a pitcher could be successful there long-term is someone with distracting pre-pitch movement like a Johnny Cueto or Nestor Cortez, who doesn't rely on a high-spin rate, and is a sinkerballer or someone who naturally induces soft contact. Short of that anyone who goes there is immediately going to see their ERA and other peripherals pop up.
@roninjedi2494
@roninjedi2494 Жыл бұрын
Some of these stats are very nitpicking. Yes coors field is harder to pitch at. But Wade Davis was old when the Rockies overpaid him and his velocity and spin rate dropped drastically and he was no better on the road. He was awful his last two years home and road. Tyler Anderson ERA in Colorado was way higher because he walked a ton of batters when he was with the Rockies and after maturing and cutting down on walks his ERA dropped. But the altitude isn’t the only reason it’s harder to pitch at Coors. Should have mentioned it’s the biggest outfield in baseball by a ton which means that balls that are usually outs at other stadiums turn into singles and doubles at Coors field. Also should mention this is why Rockies hitter splits are often so drastically different. Every other hitter in the MLB sees pitches at home and away move identically, Rockies hitters have to adjust to how pitches move literally every time they go home or go on the road which is a challenge no other hitters in baseball have to face.
@winter666madness
@winter666madness Жыл бұрын
"you have jacob de grom now" Oh do we?
@bobchipeska6488
@bobchipeska6488 Жыл бұрын
The girl commentating is awesome! She needs to do more videos
@dalemoses2443
@dalemoses2443 Жыл бұрын
2:10 magnus effect is reduced as you increase altitude. Not increased. Imagine you were in vacuum. There would be no air to push the ball so there would be no magnus. The ball would have initial velocity and gravity only.
@dominickim1855
@dominickim1855 10 сағат бұрын
I don’t know much about baseball in general but couldn’t the Rockies keep pitchers designated strictly for throwing at home and certain pitchers for only away games?
@elievers8799
@elievers8799 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they should have balls with more raised seams at Coors. It won't eliminate the discrepency, but it would make pitches move a bit more
@joeg5414
@joeg5414 Жыл бұрын
Lifelong Rockies fan. I remember watching their first game when I was a kid. Even got to go watch them play at the Broncos old Mile High stadium before Coors. I got to see games at a few old stadiums. Giants at Candlestick and Braves at Turner and Fulton County in the early 90s. Anyways, Coors has ruined a lot of pitchers careers. Tough to find good pitchers when no one wants to pitch there. Rockies need to go after more locally raised guys like Kyle Freeland. They seem to have more success pitching at altitude🤷‍♂
@yoursafeplace8476
@yoursafeplace8476 Жыл бұрын
who'd think, locals who grew up in the altitude, practiced and played in it their whole life, would be better at playing in general than guys from outside lol.
@christophersykes2547
@christophersykes2547 Жыл бұрын
That's a voice made for literature.
@TDW28
@TDW28 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid
@gingerking7771
@gingerking7771 Жыл бұрын
They should set the rotation up to where only certain pitchers will be pitching at home and others will only be pitching away
@SchroederN8
@SchroederN8 Жыл бұрын
My brain is tingling
@tonyschmitz1997
@tonyschmitz1997 Жыл бұрын
This topic is also why they switched their AAA affiliate to Albuquerque. It’s a dry air environment higher than Coors with an even bigger outfield
@jasonfire3434
@jasonfire3434 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if an indoor stadium would be any better for pitchers or if they’re just screwed regardless as long as there’s a team in Colorado.
@nickmanville900
@nickmanville900 Жыл бұрын
Indoor stadiums wouldn't make any difference, unless they intentionally pressurized the stadium to bring it up to standard sea level pressure. However, that would be incredibly expensive and impractical.
@verde7595
@verde7595 Жыл бұрын
@@nickmanville900 Coors already has humidifiers so it's really not that much of a stretch. The MLB just has to allow it at that point.
@dustinjohnson3352
@dustinjohnson3352 Жыл бұрын
Commenters on Rockies hitters: "Well you, see they were only good because of Coors Field" Me: So Freeland should have won the Cy Young in 2017 since he pitched half the time at Coors? Them: "No, that's not how it works"
@vitto5096
@vitto5096 Жыл бұрын
the 2018 era is lower than the 2009 era sitting at 4.33
@spencertegtmeyer6525
@spencertegtmeyer6525 Жыл бұрын
I think it being dry in Denver would actually lessen the effect of the high altitude.
@brettstreeter7409
@brettstreeter7409 Жыл бұрын
Daniel Bard re found himself though at Coors Field people seem to forget that.
@andrewgrove1691
@andrewgrove1691 Жыл бұрын
The heavy air
@WAHegle91
@WAHegle91 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how they could do it, but the Rockies could have 2 sets of starting pitchers, 1 set specializing in throwing at Coors Field and another focused on pitching on the road.
@Cop64
@Cop64 Жыл бұрын
Just had a terrible idea Build an underground stadium for the Rockies ☠️
@edvaira6891
@edvaira6891 Жыл бұрын
DID YOU HAVE TO KEEP QUOTING TREVOR BAUER?!! This loathsome Toad needs to be completely forgotten, not quoted!
@iamthasecond
@iamthasecond 11 ай бұрын
This video oversimplifies the issue but is true overall 😂
@km-lr7wj
@km-lr7wj Жыл бұрын
Ubaldo jimenez is the only guy I can remember that was a cy young candidate I believe it was 2010
@garrettcross7545
@garrettcross7545 Жыл бұрын
If the Rockies ever want to be competitive, they will have to do something. I don’t know if maybe a dome would work to combat this or what, but they will never see success putting the most important part of baseball in the worst situation possible. Championships are won on Pitching I don’t care how good the offense is
@pullt
@pullt Жыл бұрын
Flat pitches and flyball carry, sure, those hurt. What's often overlooked is outfield acreage. More singles fall in, more singles stretch to doubles, more doubles stretch......
@kurumauzamaki2731
@kurumauzamaki2731 Жыл бұрын
I’m not saying coors doesn’t have an effect but doubt changing team is a major reason for getting better stats I feel the pitching coaches are more impactful
@bristowski
@bristowski Жыл бұрын
Great video! We need more women in sports, including here on KZbin!
@namtrof01
@namtrof01 Жыл бұрын
Ubaldo never won one? He had a pretty dominant I think like 5 year stretch
@joshuamoreira1909
@joshuamoreira1909 Жыл бұрын
Its also why pitchers in Colorado have a bigger drop-off after they leave to another team
@WestCoastSamoan
@WestCoastSamoan Жыл бұрын
I think Nomo's No No will forever be the only No hitter to be thrown in that stadium
@joebermudez5903
@joebermudez5903 Жыл бұрын
is this a pitch to move the rockies?
@metrofilmer8894
@metrofilmer8894 Жыл бұрын
Ikr. And this is Despite the Rockies being in the top 10 in attendance last season
@tielmaster7879
@tielmaster7879 Жыл бұрын
Rockies need pitching for just at home and some for away. Probably very expensive though.
@CavemanSynthesizer
@CavemanSynthesizer Жыл бұрын
Maybe the Rockies should try having a "home rotation" and an "away rotation." They'd probably have to have a lot of extra pitchers to avoid tiring them out in lengthy homestands and road trips, but what alternatives do they have?
@garrettcross7545
@garrettcross7545 Жыл бұрын
Honestly not a bad concept but adding 5 more pitchers, means 5 less bench/bullpen spots so it would be tough. I think a controlled dome of some sort would be the only option if that would even work idk the science behind it
@calicojack3628
@calicojack3628 Жыл бұрын
I've been saying it for years, the Rockies need a road staff and a home staff. Pitchers that ONLY pitch at Coors and guys that only pitch on the road. It's the only way.
@zachfedyk4740
@zachfedyk4740 Жыл бұрын
U then need 10 starters and only have 3 roster spots left. Not humanly possibly
@calicojack3628
@calicojack3628 Жыл бұрын
@@zachfedyk4740 Cause what's been done the last 30 years clearly is working for the Rockies...Need to think outside the box. It can be done.
@Tagiau
@Tagiau Жыл бұрын
post 2020 degrom doesn't mean much. Those 10 games a season he pitches aren't going to do much. He's arguably the best pitcher when he's healthy, he's just not been healthy. He's got the stat line to look like the best reliever though.
@ramuelcruzada3207
@ramuelcruzada3207 Жыл бұрын
Wait, Texas didn't have a Cy Young winner??
@bk_goatkim679
@bk_goatkim679 Жыл бұрын
Isn’t Arizona kind of the same thing? Sure they have better results but don’t they have the same issue?
@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin
@Hacksaw_HIM_Thuggin Жыл бұрын
Ubaldo Jimenez was prolly the best rocky pitcher. Maybe freeland
@jimbolaytonator6556
@jimbolaytonator6556 Жыл бұрын
Nice.
@BitcoinMotorist
@BitcoinMotorist Жыл бұрын
Hideo Nomo of the Brooklyn Dodgers 🎉😅
@97Senator
@97Senator Жыл бұрын
You do some incredible work, Jordan! Can't wait to see you do more videos here.
@jondoesdesign2558
@jondoesdesign2558 Жыл бұрын
Being a good pitcher at Coors is different than being a good pitcher at sea level. I.E. Jeff Francis, Daniel Bard, German Marquez, Kyle Freeland and Ubaldo Jimenez
@Hogtownboy1
@Hogtownboy1 Жыл бұрын
The league should raise the mound at Coors
@Gtasplayer
@Gtasplayer Жыл бұрын
A 6 man rotation would greatly improve their chances
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