Starr Forum: The Trump-Putin Phenomenon

A session of the Focus on Russia Lecture Series
Co-chairs, Carol Saivetz and Elizabeth Wood
A transcript of the event is available at cis.mit.edu/events/transcript...
Speakers
Julia Ioffe, Moscow born American journalist who covers national security and foreign policy topics for The Atlantic
Garry Kasparov, Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation, Russian chess grandmaster, former World Chess Champion, writer, and political activist. Kasparov’s books Winter is coming and Deep Thinking will be signed and sold at the event
Co-sponsors: MIT Center for International Studies, MIT Security Studies Program, MIT-Russia Program
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[@mattbrohman3654]

I could listen to Julia speak about Russia for hours

[@ronmillard3983]

Me too! well placed Mic!

[@roundedges2]

Would be interesting to have this panel back now

[@kevinwillis6707]

yes it would, particularly as the attempt to subvert the US democratic system was discovered, then dismissed out of hand by half the country. but to be honest, he probably saw the US doing it in other countries and thought he would try his hand at it. i cant understand why putin waited for a democratic administration before invading ukraine, surely he would have an easier time of it under trump?

[@roundedges2]

@@kevinwillis6707 Trump stopped Putin's German pipeline, accelerated our own keystone and oil drilling and choked Putin's oil profits--which Biden supercharged by doing the opposite and filling Putin's war chest. In fact, that full war chest may have been the trigger. So why would you think that--and Biden's botched Afghan withdrawal, border disaster and economic bumbling on top would not be the perfect green light?

[@kevinwillis6707]

@@roundedges2 because trump has the iq of a dormouse, cant keep his mouth shut, cozies up to dictators...and is putins bought and paid for bitch...try and keep up

[@roundedges2]

@@kevinwillis6707 Looks like u cant read bitch--Biden gave all our weapons to Taliban and abandoned Americans there You effen dumbass Bido-troll They really scrapin the bottom of the barrel for u guys--Not even pass 5th grade

[@hglenn55]

@@roundedges2 wasting your breath. He will die on the fake narrive hill surrounding Trump. Yes Trump is bellicose its how he was raised. Meet everything head on. Trump isn't racist but Biden is. Trump didn't fuck up politics for 4 plus decades but Biden did. Trump didn't make money while in public office but Biden did. I could go on in this comparison. You want to know why the Russians semi trusted Trump? Because he wasn't part of decades of FUCKING up politics and vilifying the Russians for things they didn't do but Biden was and continues. Trump KNOWS China is the real threat and well placed strategies would keep Russia in check. Trump used those and succeeded for the most part. Biden dismantled that and here we are. And morons blame Trump. No bitch Biden did this shit. You put him there own it. Admit it and tell yourself not to make that mistake again. But you won't. You can't possibly be wrong. Can you

[@seastorm1979]

I live in one of the Nordic countries and I have to say that in the late 1990´s and early 2000´s I never ( and I´m not alone) saw this coming! We thought that Russia would finally emerge as a liberal democracy and become a "normal" European state. How utterly wrong we were!!!

[@balkloth]

Time to join nato or study Cyrillic

[@victordecastro7221]

_ 'his story' repeats just name is different . .. ...

[@vincewidemann868]

There’s nothing normal about a European liberal democracy.

[@hide3reptiles365]

@@vincewidemann868 It is kindof an aberration in history, isn't it

[@markelalagoz7363]

You were wrong because thanks to NATO

[@brockjohnson5068]

Wish we had listened to these older Russians a while ago - they know the mentality of their leaders and fellow countrymen.

[@jezalb2710]

We, Poles, have been saying this all along. Lech Kaczyński's speech in Georgia in 2008 was on this very topic

[@jettaca88]

Kasparov’s assessment of Putin’s persona is spot on as well as Ioffe’s

[@vodkaboy]

I think is more on point regarding Trump. exactly what Yevgenia Albats explained, Putin exactly knows what they want to ear, I think it also worked very well in Europe for the same reason. also corruption obviously.

[@tomwhittaker9461]

Kasparov is a child in political thinking. Reducing politics to just one persona is a typical western projection-type of propaganda where they imbue their own malevolence onto the propaganda victim.

[@TesserId]

31:12 "I'm sick and tired about hearing 'oh, Putin play chess, and Obama play checkers.' ... I always think of Putin like a poker player. Because in poker you can win having a weak hand, if you are ready to bluff and to raise the stakes."

[@oldsalt8011]

it's true. Putin had a long history with the military and KBG. Obama was just a community leader who has now turned his back on the Chicago ghetto community. Obama played checkers at the Cracker Barrel.

[@TheAsianRepublican]

Putin playing Poker while Obama playing Fish

[@MP-wb5yd]

yes and like someone who knows him well put it "he's a gambler not a planner"

[@dobnerk]

Wow! Here we are in 2022 and he was spot on about how we may have a false sense of security about the stability of our democracy. Great lecture series!

[@kcwicks]

@@BrianPolito bet you did your own research. When is your lecture series coming out? After nascar season?

[@mikeswiental4815]

you notice the young woman pushing Russian disinformation that "Trump works for Russia" iadmits being born in Russia- serving the motherland-trying to get ahead of the Durham investigation findings.She is a Russian agent.

[@gmosTC]

Ioffe is absolutely an amazing intellectual🇺🇸🙏

[@NathanCroucher]

the wow is you saying wow in 2022

[@mikeswiental4815]

@@NathanCroucher the lecture was "damage control" as Durhams investigation is now proving Trump -Russia collusion was a plot by the Clinton Capmpaign with Russias help to keep Trump out of power.

[@johnwisdom9208]

I was impressed with Julia loffe in the series “the Putin files” series. So, I followed her here. A history major, it all makes sense! She tries to see Putin through his eyes by building up a character assessment, moving him along from childhood to where he is now. She has a lot of charm and a folksy manner of expression herself. She has won me over; here she is in company with some brilliant people.

[@judica8873]

The Putin files series should be revisited by all Americans & viewed by anyone who's not.

[@hondohavlicek5252]

@@judica8873 Not just Americans - but all national leaders and all those interested in geopolitics

[@BrettHar123]

Clearly you like swallowing lies and propaganda - have to give it to the democrats, they have erased the peace movement, and turned all the left into rabid stormtroopers against everything Russian. How do you think we ended up in this predicament right now? Abusing Putin, abusing Russians and refusing to negotiate on security guarantees that the US promised and then did the opposite, pumping billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine, imagine Russia pumping weapons into Canada, what would the US do then? If Libya is any guide, far more than Putin doing in Ukraine.

[@judica8873]

Reckless Abandon If I must agree with your opinion even if I do not agree, I would be giving up a human freedom. The same freedom you would give up if you must agree with mine. Therefore, opinions shouldn't be labeled "right opinion" or "wrong opinion", they are only opinions. Free speech is not freedom of speech. I was happy to read your opinion(s) on so very many issues. Thank you.

[@lazypops3117]

Frankly Ekaterina was much more impressive in that series

[@colettewaddell8362]

I would absolutely love to see these two speaking today! Fascinating and frightening at the same time.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Each one has discussed Putin, Russia, and the Ukrainian invasion. Just do a search on KZbin!

[@WoolyCaterpillar]

Good news: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSxoGV8hbZ3h9k

[@colettewaddell8362]

@@MarcosElMalo2 I will! Thank you 👍

[@janverhsaren3371]

@@MarcosElMalo2 5hrþ

[@dannooooooo]

Julia is so great to listen to about anything Russia related. She understands it well and is able to convey the information in an interesting and engaging way. She's also quite pretty, which I'll admit, helps keep my attention lol

[@brotendo]

All that to say you’re just simping for her

[@rhondacosta160]

I think I'm in love

[@richardbragstad2381]

Well said!

[@gbarkerification]

Yep.

[@davidzeto2446]

She does look nice.

[@noneya4240]

Kasparov speaks from the heart with conviction based on experience. I like this guy.

[@stevenpringle9492]

He speaks from his experiences. Julia speaks from her studies.

[@ThunderAppeal]

@@stevenpringle9492 Kasparov is agitator number 1 and persona non grata.

[@TheAsianRepublican]

Julia is right, a population prefers to be taken care of by government, it is very difficult to undo that mindset, even freedom loving democracies like the USA devolves into socialism increasing the power of the state with each passing generation. Its is human nature. Freedom is a responsibility to take care of onesself , not as easy as it appears, and possibly not sustainable without lots of work.

[@ThunderAppeal]

@@TheAsianRepublican It is possible as long as the government does not continually work against the American peope. The US gov perpetuated lies about the trump/russia collusion for 3 years, when that failed the gov lied about the covid 'pandemic'. Today the US lies about the necessity of Russia to finally take action in ukraine because for the last 8 years kiev has been bombarding its own citizens in eastern ukraine. The US gov lied about iraq which corroded the peoples trust in what happened on 9/11. All these intentional erosions of trust by the US gov against the citizens all of these things contribute to a state of greater expansion of gov control.

[@frankstein9982]

@@stevenpringle9492 Ioffe speaks from her experience, too. Frankly I'm not too hot about Kasparov's drama, "I'm a human being!"

[@jgribhamnz]

“The oil will never go back to $100 barrel” that comment from Gary hasn’t aged well haha

[@davemartino5997]

This whole video didn’t age well

[@MichaelFlynn0]

@@davemartino5997 - I think the oil price was the ONLY thing that didn't hold up --- what's your take on what else hasn't held up to be true ?

[@8888LR]

I don’t agree with that

[@TheAsianRepublican]

They oil going back to $100 was because Russia is being cut off from the world, and eventually can not benefit from it. Kasparov point was that it would not go back to $100 because of true lack of supply. A big big big difference..."didn't age well"... doesn't apply here, very surface level

[@MichaelFlynn0]

@@TheAsianRepublican - If supply gets limited - the price rises. If Russia is cut off as a supplier or oil and gas the price goes up. I'm not sure if you don't know what your talking about - or your English needs a little work.

[@jackturner4917]

Kasparov is passionate and obviously very smart but he doesn’t understand the nuances. Julia Ioffe is brilliant with her ability to break down the current political climate inside the Kremlin.

[@MichaelFlynn0]

She was the shining light here...Kasporav was simply louder.

[@magiscichoam]

Nonsense. This forum took place over four years ago. Her comments are before Trump’s slavish support of Putin at Helsinki, Trump’s efforts to discredit and dismantle NATO, his support of breaking up the European Union and now Trump’s support of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Recent history has clearly demonstrated that many of her comments and opinions are as vacuous as they are vapid. Look at Putin’s history of aggressive actions; first Georgia, then small portions of eastern Ukraine, Crimea and now the rest of Ukraine.

[@magiscichoam]

@@MichaelFlynn0 No, she was and is the darkness in the suppression of critical thinking and empirically based reason. Ignorance is bliss until it isn’t.

[@2Hot2]

@@magiscichoam I agree with everything you say about Trump being a traitor, deliberately weakening not only NATO but our alliances with Japan and Latin America, for example, and flirting not only with Putin but with China and North Korea, but I don't think you should be so harsh on Julia because she was so vocally anti-Trump that it's easy to imagine him being in cahoots with Putin. She just refrained from making positive statements where there was no proof (okay, a big part of the reason why there's no proof is that he kept unlawfully interfering with the FBI investigation in total contempt for checks and balances - with the exception of checks for bribe money and account balances)

[@donreed]

Take your "nuances" and get lost.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

I notice in these comments many thoroughly Anglo names, followed by dismissive or insulting remarks, filled with mistakes in English which no native speaker would make, especially mishandling of articles (a, the, an). Draw your own conclusions.

[@danc.2457]

that's an acute observation , ever considered attempting to detect regional accents in sign language ??

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@@danc.2457 That's funny. Thanks. Isn't it peculiar how sometimes when somebody is playing something for laughs online, you have to read it twice to be sure it's not insulting to you personally? Cheers.

[@danc.2457]

@@dixonpinfold2582 ... another acute observation , lol ... very good ... was struggling with which term was best suited for the reply , my choices were acute or astute ... do you have a preference or opinion ?? ... you're welcome , and sharp too , you have a good day also ...

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@@danc.2457 lol There's no pejorative way to use the word astute but acute has some negative associations with illness, pain, injury and problems generally, so on happy dendritic connections I give the edge to astute. Both good. All the best.

[@danc.2457]

@@dixonpinfold2582 ... yeah I see what you are saying about acute (pun intended) , when used in different context it does have negative connotations ... thanks for the insight and advice , I'm also leaning towards astute now ... been a nice chat , good night ... btw , thanks for that new "to me" word , I'll have to look it up ...

[@robertfeinberg748]

This description of Putin's MO perfectly anticipated the Ukraine crisis.

[@linda1lee2]

You'd expect nothing less from smart well-informed native Russians.

[@robertfeinberg748]

@@linda1lee2 But the DNC/CCP cabal/Plantation continues to offer a window of opportunity. Resist and Impeach Biden.

[@alizzia11]

@Chandler White Biden has kicked the butts of Putin and his oligarchs harder in the past week than Cadet Bone Spurs ever did in his four years in the Orange House.

[@caseywest9668]

@@alizzia11really? By sanctioning the united States and buying 7% of it's gas from Russia?

[@carladehaas7866]

And his threat of nukes, to paralyze USA & NATO - so they would be afraid to give Ukraine Migs.

[@jayaet]

Vladi possibly watched this in 2017. Forewarned is forearmed. This seminar predicted the future.

[@wmoates6029]

"I'm a human being" Kasparov displayed a level of contempt for Julia's comments that astonished me. The fact that she can brilliantly discern the facts somewhat dispassionately is to her credit and demonstrates her integrity.

[@LanguagesWithAndrew]

Yeah, he just had to throw that nasty little insult in at the end, I really didn't like that. She merely had a somewhat different take (not even a disagreement with what he was saying) and he couldn't stand it.

[@JungleLibrary]

Yeah I thought it was unusual that he was the only one not applauding after her statement. I wonder why he couldn't just cordially disagree, his position certainly requires better of him I think.

[@atanaskatsarov6941]

He is autistic (aspergers), he didnt really mean that.

[@kuntyfucstik9340]

His discernment was more brilliant, though. When you're right you sometimes end up offending those who are less right...it's kind of inevitable.

[@TheAsianRepublican]

Personality flaw, despite what Kasporov said, that Russian stubbornness is in the DNA of the combination of his Russian blood and his generation. Julia handled it well even though she herself (if I can assume those pronouns) has her blindspots as a liberal.

[@deborahb.gerken5837]

Incredible! I have enjoyed listening to this forum very much. It would be very interesting to have them back again today! I have followed each of these individuals separately . Another interesting point I would like to ask of the panel today is; recently a Russian official stated that she felt the U.S. should return Fort Ross in Northern California, Alaska, and the Antarctica to Russia as these belonged to Russia in the first place. Interesting? how far is Putin willing to go with his plans to return Russia to the USSR?

[@AN-cy7xm]

Pleasantly surprised by Kasparov. No longer surprised by Ioffe's brilliance.

[@frederickhartray8364]

The best propagandists money can buy. Here on the other hand is a capable persn who understands the situation and saw it evolve: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2apYX2JrpJ7frs

[@einrealist]

Timeless. The writings were already on the wall, since years.

[@charlesandrews7482]

Good job putting this together. Another example of excellence!!

[@caseybarrow1450]

Julia is the total package.

[@matthewparker6830]

She's smart and a total babe.

[@anatoliosagario6870]

Brilliant speakers,interesting and full of knowledge. Bravo !

[@conillet]

Still very much worth watching; great insights from both panellists. (BTW, I don't get that obsession with taking two questions at a time; all it does is confuse everybody.)

[@joe47771]

this video gets more and more relevant every day

[@sharpfocus5]

Outstanding, I cannot recommend this highly enough.

[@delavan9141]

Kasparov made a big mistake when he made the "I'm a human being" remark to Julia. I'm sure he didn't mean it the way it came across, but she was obviously rattled and hurt.

[@MichaelFlynn0]

Yes - he came off looking petulant and slightly deaf...she wasn't suggesting not attempting to take Putin out. Her roll of the eye said it all.

[@hide3reptiles365]

Stop the presses. Geostrategic blunder. But sure, he has a tendency for reflexive comebacks. In a way she asked for it though by playing to the crowd with that false modesty line.

[@ScammedByJamesLClark]

I love Sylvia's talks and interviews She is so articulate. Plus, she talks sense !

[@TesserId]

15:05 "...figures it out as he goes along." Shines a light on the war and the atrocities in Ukraine (as of 2022-03-13).

[@chrisbremner8992]

Julia Ioffe looks so pretty in this video, her clothes look really flattering , the outfit suits her , her hair style is nice very elegant, she speaks clearly and has a pleasant voice ,the best looking well presented Russian expert in America, 😍 lovely.

[@naalsocomment9449]

I am really confused about Julia Ioffe. I started to watch her a few days ago starting with some interviews and lectures from a couple a years ago, like this one. She sounds very thoughtful, gives detail information and backgrounds on why and how things evolved and differ between Russia and the west. She explained why and when Putin may turn into a very dangerous person. Then I saw some interview with her and she made a complete u-turn. She sounds like every one else: more weapons, more money, don't care of Putin So did Putin change? Or did Ioffe change because of the backlash she received for not following the black & white narrative? That's sad since Ioffe is a very competent and intelligent person

[@fanneliese]

Could listen for hours and hours to this panel ...

[@joalexsg9741]

So relevant to our days, thank you ever so much for this!

[@ludmilaturkova1274]

it's so enjoyable to watch a typical Russian intellectual political discussion BTW Garry and Julie With the freely flowing emotions combined With the Well articulated logical arguments and I personally share Garry's views 90%

[@AndreAndFriends]

1hr. 16 min. He is great.

[@patriotforecast3437]

free flowing emotions and well articulated arguments = Charisma, a common trait amongst pscyhopaths, sociopaths, liars. She keep repeating fantasies that she's repeating over and over again with no facts.

[@BrettHar123]

If you think that these malcontents are "typical" Russians, you are very much mistaken, they want to destroy their country and carve it up into 10 easy pieces to plunder. Want to see "typical" Russians? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnyQeGqihsaDnKM

[@fredfreddy8684]

These people are serious expert wonks. I used to attend lectures at my school when I did my undergrad stuff.

[@eugenio1542]

Super Sensational 😮 The subject and others were also very engaging and appreciated. ☝️❤️✌️🌍🙏

[@clownbaby7224]

Am I the only one in love with Julia? I have issues.

[@garymingy8671]

Your a clown baby focus on the big picture , she's fine w/ o. You

[@DrCruel]

Still. She is an awesome babe. Intellectual accomplishments and geo-political expertise notwithstanding.

[@harrypalmer3481]

Join the queue Mr. Baby!

[@larrylamb3480]

Two distinguished guest speakers at MIT ! I especially enjoy listening to Julia Loffe who knows historical facts and events as related to Russia's position in the world ! I did not know that she graduated from Princeton University as a history major ! Very impressive ! I also thought she was a Russian citizen but now understand she was only born in Russia but is a U.S. citizen ! This woman should run for office because we desperately need clear thinking women like Julia ! She is in a unique position to understand Russia's motivations since she has lived there temporarily ! You know , when it comes to one's impression of Julia ,does anyone else find that a combination of beauty and intellect is so very attractive ? It to me is the perfect package of a very attractive women ! Finally , I thoroughly enjoyed this debate and it had a visionary content of the invasion of Ukraine ! Please sponsor another debate with these two ! It's so informational of the world's condition !!!!

[@rhondacosta160]

I'm all over it

[@thisguyfauxs]

check out 'her (Julia) Frontline interviews- the older ones and there is a newly (2022) posted. HIGHLY APPRECIATED INSIGHT & THOUGHT... I guess that is the only way she rolls...

[@rhondacosta160]

@@thisguyfauxs been there done that. Excellent

[@mccamman]

Her talk was riddled with errors and assumptions that just don't hold up.

[@rhondacosta160]

@@mccamman wonder who's riddled with errors here mccam.

[@ludmilaturkova1274]

interesting to see after the Helsinki summit;-)

[@jamiedaniels786]

Ioffe is on point. I just stumbled upon some of her stuff and I can't believe how much historical knowledge she has. I'm a history major and also study international relations. I know it takes many years to gain knowledge that carries that much substance.

[@ryanalt5048]

Claiming to know something about Putin's "plans" is the kind of fallacy that only an amateur could commit. This is perhaps the most vacuous 89 minutes I have ever seen.

[@21boxhead]

Jamie Daniels

[@chawquee]

Jamie Daniels history needs passion and multicultural understanding and a very sharp mind with analytical mind.I am an engineer but fond of history since my childhood .am specialist of mediileast and north africa history with all its complexity

[@annowens5019]

@Neal Vasco ... No she isn't. Where is "FACEBOOK, CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA, GLAVASET TROLLS. Where is Assessment Of Putin's Interference in European Political Elections.

[@annowens5019]

@Neal Vasco ...Listen Carefully, to what Kasparov is saying about Putin and Putin's Tentacles (ie. Russian Oligarch Oleg DERIPASKA/MCCONNELL). PUTIN'S presence was ALL Over Brexit. View the Documentaries "THE PUTIN FILE" (FRONTLINE) And "THE GREAT HACK" (NETFLIX). Examine CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA Relationship to "FACEBOOK". Have you ever heard of GLAVASET? The data from "FACEBOOK" was sold to "CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA" and went as Far as The Caribbean Islands to Influence Their Elections. • (GOOGLE: Yuri MILNER Relationship to FACEBOOK ie. The Money INVESTED In FACEBOOK by Yuri MILNER Came From RUSSIAN State Agencies). • GOGGLE: Jared KUSHNER'S, TRUMP'S Son-in-law and Yuri MILNER Joint Relationship). Perhaps, it is All Innocent Coincidence.

[@b.c.7741]

What an educational and informative presentation, not to mention lovely.

[@ajisenramen888]

It would be great to watch them react toThe Mueller Report and also to AG Barr. Their views on Hilary Clinton and the Obama administration’s handling of the election would be interesting as well.

[@genathing903]

I think they would find Barr reminiscent of any of Putin’s hatchet men. Even more Soviet.

[@frederickhartray8364]

Don't ask inteligent questions, These are American war loving neo libs we are dealing with.

[@linda1lee2]

@@frederickhartray8364 That didn't age well. The west was trying to stop the further war on Ukraine which Putin launched after your comment.

[@doktortutankamazon31]

@@frederickhartray8364 Intelligent. 2 L's. I haven't seen a "neo lib" start a war in my lifetime of half a century. That is just silly partisan gobbly gook.

[@maryhalverson5713]

@@linda1lee2 - Western neolibs intentionally provoked the Bear for a slew of reasons which become clearer with each passing day, all centered on their own lust for power & a desperate need to distract from a failing economy, pandemic malfeasance, & criminal ties between Ukrainian oligarchs & the sons of prominent U.S. politicians. The plan has been extensive and includes the grooming of Ukraine's puppet president Zelensky, chosen for his acting abilities & already existing popularity as a comedian.

[@philw8080]

Julia has a master understanding of Russian politics. Her description of Putin is literally what has happened now. He miscalculated immensely, he will still win, its just the cost were a lot higher than he anticipated.

[@georgedanilov8898]

Not even a remote chance that Putin can win anything here It's a question how catastrophic the loss will be If the ends the invasion soon, it will be humiliating but not catastrophic If he persists - it will be both

[@carladehaas7866]

Unless he is made to look weak, by Ukraine defeating the Russian invasion BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH HELP FROM NATO & the USA.

[@verakehrli5636]

How would you know what costs he was anticipating?

[@rdelrosso2001]

Just out of curiuosity, why do you think Putin will win in Ukraine???

[@lolodee3528]

Putrin has no population to win with. Will he manufacture troops, out of permafrost..with his tiny hands?

[@paavobergmann4920]

This is important. I am watching this at the evening of March 8th, 2023, and I am blown away at how crystal clear Kasparov and Ioffe´s view was 5 years ago. It´s depressing that it took that much death and destruction to wake up europe.

[@TesserId]

1:11:44 "...I strongly reject, denounce any moral equivalence between the free world and communist dictatorships. ... One of the reasons I never criticized American invasion of Iraq, which I think was a mistake, but I believe it's it's it's for me it was impossible, since it toppled a dictator."

[@TesserId]

1:12:11 "As someone who grew up in the Soviet Union, in a communist dictatorship, I couldn't criticize any action that led to the end of a dictatorship."

[@anatoliosagario6870]

Brilliant speakers,interesting and full of knowledge

[@klt479]

Excellent panel. It's great to hear such an informed, knowledgeable and relatively deap dive based on facts and logic instead of individuals' personal political priorities. We need so much more of this kind of discussion instead of the mindless useless dribble that takes place on the internet.

[@robertrinaldi8748]

Since this video was made it's been established by the Durham investigation that the Clinton campaign was colluding with Russia to frame Trump for colluding with Russia. People have been charged and there are more yet to come. Before you start arguing that it's not true, please do research.

[@klt479]

@@robertrinaldi8748 These speakers are all experts in the areas that spoke on. It's uncanny how precise their predictions has been. They did an amazing job of nailing Purin and his typical MO. It's great to hear them speak with such clarify.

[@robertrinaldi8748]

@@klt479 They cease to be experts when the things they state as fact are proven to be fiction. The Durham investigation has shown they were wrong on the main points in regard to the 2016 election.

[@lazypops3117]

Academic discussion has some standards. Check out the "Putin Files" series on PBS.

[@klt479]

@@lazypops3117 Agreed, The Putin Files is also a quality series on Putin. It's primarily already known information but still relatively though and quality.

[@alexmilman9442]

Gary has been my idol since I was a kid in USSR. But now Julia is my idol too!

[@SlothPossum]

sadly Europe with the exception of France chose to be dependent on Putin for energy.

[@ClannCholmain]

You couldn’t find Europe on a map.

[@SuperAngelic5]

Putin is a poker player. He can bluff and play with a weak hand. Chess is a strategic game.... Well said. Good description of Putin's game.

[@davemartino5997]

Ok demtard 🤣

[@MarkRaymondLuce]

Superb! Julia Ioffe & Garry Kasparov together - just the two of them, on a discussion and Q & A forum, is outstanding and a prestigious pairing, and it would be beneficial to the world of inquisitive eager minds to see these two involved in some kind of series of public speaking forums on Russia and or Putin.

[@frederickhartray8364]

Two people who hate Putin and are pro war propagandists. Does that seem balanced? The Neoliberal Hegemonists are proving to be far worse than the Neocons.

[@maryhalverson5713]

That panel of corn chucklers would be mercilessly heckled by unvetted, well informed audiences.

[@ennediend2865]

Great lecture 👍 thank you. Kasparov so good ❤

[@stevenboyd8738]

Julia I am deeply impressed with your ability to present all this and in a way that I can finley make perfect sense of it. Thanks P is such a JERK

[@christopherfield1748]

Sadly too few believe or even attempt to understand the truth in Kasparov's only one meal restaurant analogy.

[@TheBrat99]

A very interesting hour and a half video. I was, as with her other videos, quite impressed with how Ms. Ioffe articulated herself in her brief. Some interesting questions fielded towards the end helped make this video quite a good one to view/listen to.

[@frederickhartray8364]

Do you feel it was balanced? LOL

[@maryhalverson5713]

The discussion was laughably partisan, served up with lavish slices of dishonesty, as is always the case with any forum that includes an appearance by Julia Ioffe.

[@keepinganopenmind8216]

As an American that has always been bothered by the term American Exceptional-ism ! I've for as long as I can remember thought this was surely the most arrogant thing I have ever heard. I still think it is... Is America a great place to live, sure it is but it is one of many.. Is America the best place on earth to live.. that is a question that only one can answer for themselves... one can not answer this question for others.. Those issues.. mentioned.. Allow me to say... It's time America accept the facts.. one of these facts is.. our education system has failed miserably ... the proof is everywhere !

[@ziggyzugg]

Agreed

[@clarkpalace]

Yup

[@Meerkatx5]

This discussion is as relevant today as it was then. Both of these panelists are worth seeking out today for their knowledge on Putin and the Russian system.

[@hadror13]

Kasparov puts it all in Prespective

[@falconeaterf15]

Love Kasparovs humour. More Russian connections than Aeroflot. Hehe.

[@dayers8715]

A panel of free thinkers how refreshing. Difference of opinion with no name calling. Listening and understanding all viewpoints.

[@stephenbelcher]

Yep: Julia

[@matthewmorgan7106]

The Garry and Julia show.

[@armandorodriguez6447]

Julia is just AMAZING,the interview by dateline,I believe, is where I first listened to her and wow Amazing,I hope to see her for many years to come. She was made for TV reporting👍

[@annowens5019]

Wow? SMH

[@jonnytacoma]

@@annowens5019 oh Ann get over yourself

[@frederickhartray8364]

She is a biased propagandist who hates Russia in a bigoted way as is Kasperov.

[@thomasopdahl1873]

@@frederickhartray8364 Is it propaganda if they are right? And what makes you able to make this judgement, or is that just propaganda?

[@thomaslebeau3578]

@@frederickhartray8364 So you're on the Putin misinformation team also, congratulations.

[@charles5272]

Thank you so much for your great Gift

[@odiebrooklyn6193]

Julia 🙌🏽

[@ianbanks3016]

I wonder what Juia thinks now?

[@catherinepositano8544]

I wonder what she thinks NOW?

[@watermelonkang]

"...oil will never go back to $100 a barrell" 😭

[@transpinit6900]

Around min 32:00, Oil went back to above 100 US$ in March 2022 when Ukraine was invaded by Putin-Russia.

[@avlasting3507]

Fabulous analysis.

[@StellarFella]

Would love to hear her latest take on things. I also would love to know how long Trump has been successfully funding his buildings and being financially involved with Russian oligarchs.

[@garymingy8671]

Yup bravo more

[@vinista256]

I really want to hear what she has to say now, with the breaking of the whole Ukraine-Biden-extortion-whistleblower thing. She was in Ukraine when the 2014 revolution happened, so she probably has lots of insights.

[@jeffreylynn3525]

@@vinista256 What she would have to say now would counter all the biased reporting she put out before in the Putin files. That is of course unless she is a hard core ideologue!

[@SueFerreira75]

Check out the Dutch Documentary - The Dubious Friends of Donald Trump - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5qoYqObYpdoeKc

[@davemartino5997]

@@SueFerreira75 Trump lives rent free in all your leftists Heads .

[@davesipsy7587]

Watching this for the first time in October 2020, it's incredible how accurate Ms Loffe is in her talk. Brilliant.

[@BrettHar123]

Everything Ioffe says is false.

[@watermelonkang]

@@BrettHar123 oh ok

[@BrettHar123]

@@watermelonkang Apologies for being abrupt, Julia Ioffe is corner cutting neocon, who does hit pieces and uses racial slurs and has been associated with far-right groups. She was born in Russia and for some reason she hates everything Russia, I don’t just mean Putin, but ordinary Russians, she got kicked out after inserting herself in a local dispute instead of reporting the news in 2012, and she is not allowed back. She has been dismissed from multiple US publications for misconduct, yet she still manages to find a position in order to feed anti-Russian propaganda, I imagine she is having a ball right now.

[@watermelonkang]

@@BrettHar123 which far-right groups is she associated with?

[@ziggyzugg]

@@watermelonkang 😂

[@aguynamedscott11]

Julie Ioffa was awesome on Better Call Saul. The Kettlemans were some of the best characters on the show

[@i.hold.vertigo2329]

Julie Ann Emery was Betsy. Very similar looking though.

[@robertfeinberg748]

The circumstance can be illustrated by analogy to nesting dolls.

[@citizenschallengeYT]

31:25 - Why dictators hate chess. (It's transparency)

[@vaz3301]

leaders must be ready to play in an environment where they don't know all the variables. Chess is great for grand strategy, but not helpful in tactics with unknowns. "Bridge, not Chess" www.wsj.com/articles/bridgenot-chessis-the-ultimate-war-game-1431899680

[@DrCruel]

Putin does not play chess. He plays poker, and always with a revolver on the table.

[@citizenschallengeYT]

@@DrCruel and one in the chamber.

[@MAC0071234]

Lolz. Are you comparing being a dictator or even a leader to being good at a freaking board game??? You must be out of your mind. You people are so simple minded yet think that you are smarter than Einstein.

[@citizenschallengeYT]

@@MAC0071234 Easy there buddy, don't be exaggerating. That's not what I said anyways, it was referencing what the speaker was saying at that time signature. As for being a dictator, it takes possessing a sociopathic mind along with ultimate ruthlessness, plus an ability to create sycophants and being willing to do the dirty work of the Military Industrial Complex. Ukraine being but the most recent case in point.

[@peterwhite7428]

Now, April 2018, she turns out to be exactly correct. That’s because she understands Russia and the way the American press creates the narrative

[@frederickhartray8364]

No one in the US understands Russia. You could be the first if you comprehend that Russia sees the country who used nuclear bombs, England who does most of the world's money laundering and wishes they still had an empire. The descendants of Napoleon, Adolph and Benito all wanting their death. That's the thanks we give them for saving Europe in WWII.

[@godofsounds]

For a long time Grand Master Kasparov has been so right about Putin. Now the world really knows.

[@joe47771]

does kasparov write on papyrus?

[@debraboaze2991]

i read in Time Magazine about 9 or so years ago Russia owned then close to half shares or stock or whatever in FaceBook. Is this still true?

[@annowens5019]

Now That is the MOST Interesting Thing I've heard. It wasn't offered in the Netflix's Documentary "The GREAT HACK". Edit: It appears on the face of it you are right. "Two Russian State Institutions Funded Substantial Stakes in TWITTER and FACEBOOK. Through an investor who later acquired an interest in a Jared Kushner (Trump's son-in-law?) venture..... The investment was made through a Russian technology magnate, Yuri Milner." November 05, 2017 The Guardian

[@jakebarnes28]

Debra? Can you respond to Ann Owens, below? She mentions a Nov. 5, 2017 The Guardian article noting investment into FACEBOOK and TWITTER thru 2 Russian institutions (unnamed), a Yuri Milner, and Jarad Kushner.

[@marygh4834]

GOD please don't listen or read the TIME magazine it is a propaganda magazine. Soros owned to built up the democrat Bidens' Nazi regime.

[@marygh4834]

For real news go to OAN news, Sky News, RT, Newsmax. Newspapers are all Nazi propganda for the Biden Regime.

[@dobnerk]

@@marygh4834 You're obviously joking! You just listed the most biased and xunreliable news sources on earth. Hilarious! 🤣😂🤣

[@jjc8603]

Loffe is absolutely gorgeous. That may be inappropriate to say on this channel, but it must be said. Loffe is absolutely gorgeous 😍

[@joe47771]

he made 50 different points in 50 minutes, now that is speed chess

[@walfredswanson]

Splendid analysis that explains a lot about how the Ukraine war turned out to be a mess. Not to mention pointing out our numerous warts and flaws.

[@sandraperea6668]

What a great talk! Thank u

[@ttrestle]

Came here after Frontline!

[@catherinepositano8544]

Yes you did!

[@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP]

1:21:13 - not 1999, but 1989

[@keepinganopenmind8216]

I have not watched past @21:34 yet.... I wanted to make a point... points.. Manafort, Bannon, Stone... to name a few. I wonder if they will be mentioned here and if not... Why ??? They are especially Manafort.. directly involved going back just about as long as some panelist have been alive !

[@ziggyzugg]

I think this was too early on in the Trump KAKISTOCRACY

[@nancyfox6238]

Hillery doesnt need be a president period no matter how you slice it she's not for Amercia period !!

[@jacquesgobeille7880]

Every single american should take the duty of listenning carefully to this...

[@adiletbeishenov5731]

As someone who lives in Russia and insider of Russian authorities, because we worked in few projects and were involved in some main energy projects such as oil and gas (which means government and politic). Julia is very close to truth. Putin is overestimated in case of his sharp mind and intelligence. Actually he is conserved and highly narcissistic guy with his illusions that he know everything. Suspicious and I don’t know why, but political elite is highly closed and didn’t go far away from USSR. KGB is not only their past job, but life style and view of point. Propaganda relate democracy with all bad things, like open market is pure evil, if we follow democracy we will end with gay marriages, and USA will invade our country as they did in Iraq. So Putin and everything what he does is to “protect” Russia, to keep us in right track! Is what they say in tv and all press media. So it’s weird thing, but it is what it is

[@marygh4834]

You are correct if you saw our country the USA now. It is unreconizable. with Biden as president we no longer have freedom of speech. We get censored from facebook or twitter. the media, TV and Newspapers are all bought by Soros all are propaganda and lies. They lie about how great Biden is doing when with him we have HIGH CRIMES MURDERS have gone with through the roof, high inflation when our country was energy independent with President Trump, now we buy oil from Russia. Yes Russia the same country USA is criticizing now. Companies are all scared stiff to say anything about the racist thugs black lives matter member because Biden will just them paid to go and burn the business down. Thats right. Our Vice President Kamala Harris bails this black thugs out of jail when they get arrested for burning a business down. The hate our country the USA but yet won't leave it and move to Mexico or someplace else. Even immigrants like representative Omar that comes from Somalia is out there trashing our country trying to make it like Somalia that she fled from They should move out of our country. I am hispanic and I hate this democrats that are ruining our country and taking our freedom away with mandates and I can't believe we don't have people out in the streets protesting against this thugs. But of course most conservatives work whereas the BLM thugs get paid to go out and burn and loot in the name of peaceful protess. No these are riots not protest. USA IS NOT WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

[@julianmarsh1378]

@@marygh4834 You are why we are in the fix we are. Pure right wing propaganda. The only censoring going on is about harmful stuff like the Big Lie and anti-vaxxer b.s. that gets people killed. You cannot stand the fact our own Putin, Donald Trump, another authoritarian, is out of office. No matter the democrat in office as president, you'd be saying the same stuff.

[@balkloth]

@@marygh4834 this is such nonsense that i have to assume you’re a russian pretending to be an american.

[@davemartino5997]

@@balkloth Actually it’s pretty accurate you’re either willfully ignorant or disingenuous. “Assume “ jeez you Democrats clowns love doing that, yep everyone who disagrees with my world view is a Russian . Do you even know how stupid you sound ?

[@svetokbolshoi]

Did Garry say in September 2017 the oil will never be USD 100 back again?

[@philipdamask2279]

You should put your comments after the panel.

[@tlelarsson]

The chic is very smart and foxy as hell. I mean being percieved as very smart while sitting beside the greatest chess player in history is something else.

[@maps9]

такой красивий дэвушка и такой джинсы туда сюда носит "ужас.. " Colonel Walter E. Kurtz

[@voytekcyvr1936]

I would love to hear that discussion now, amazingly all of the speakers were not too far from the reality.

[@johnheigis83]

Hi. PBS... ... "Half the Sky" FET... In Part II.

[@StellarFella]

"...people at the top drink their own kool aid..." That applies to the Trump people and to the Putin people as well as to all the other autocratic leaders and their inner circles around the world.

[@MAC0071234]

No. It applies to people like you, who think they are smart and have everything and everyone figured out, yet you yourself work a basic job earning basic salary with crappy increments, or even worse, have some non skillful job as a "journalist" or school teacher, or are good at a freaking board game and now think you are a genius. You make and drink your "kool aid" every single day. And it's sad. Cos that's the only bit of happiness that you will get in your life. By thinking that you are better and smarter than other people, without actually being smart or better.

[@jupiter6647]

Listen Cecil, Trump was never a politician. As a MEGA real estate guy he made deals, so what .He still loved his country.Everybody loved him before he ran. After they saw he was hard right for the people and the country. Overnight they hated him. He lost money as Pres., Everybody else made money. Weather you agree or disagree with his ideas, style, haircut, etc, what "MATTERS" is the truth and making life better for people. Show me a winning coach who hasn't lost his ass at some point."

[@StellarFella]

@@jupiter6647 - Trump is a power and money pig. He loves himself. He has zero love for democracy or the Constitution.

[@fides249]

You must be afflicted with a bad case of TDS.

[@StellarFella]

@@jupiter6647 - Trump loves himself, money, and power. That's it! Definitely NOT democracy or the Constitution.

[@2Hot2]

She's so gorgeous I have to close my eyes to listen.

[@josephdimauro9145]

Thanks Coach

[@jerryclasby9628]

Loved their handshake at the end. Quite moving and honest

[@paulmakinson1965]

The UK is the main money laundering country for Russian oligarchs. The most glamorous real estate of London belongs to Russians directly or through opaque financial constructs in UK offshore territories. It is also an insurance policy for their families in case they fall in disfavor with the Boss.

[@johnhetherington8830]

What phenomenon ? there have always been thieves and traitors

[@StellarFella]

Please read the latest book by Craig Unger. AMERICAN KOMPROMAT It connects so many dots.

[@mohamedbinelias3246]

Thank you very much. Off cake. Thank you