Starsector: Legion XIV Battlegroup vs 2 Remnant Ordos

[@-NB7979-]

With 0.96a Update at 2023/5/5, Legion XIV is now the strongest ship in Starsector who can literally solo any ships with ease including Radiant, Pegasus, Paragon, Onslaught and Invictus. The loadout in this vid is still valid, and new video will coming soon so please get hyped!

[@calvinh9570]

What’s your legion loadout? Found a derelict 14 battle group yours seems great!

[@-NB7979-]

@calvinh9570 You can see it at the start of this vid, 2 Cyclone Reaper + 5 HMG + 4 Railgun + 4 Vulcan!

[@ctrlfrk]

@@-NB7979- I don't think it's 4 Railguns... Looks more like 4 Light Assault Guns

[@-NB7979-]

@ctrlfrk It was pre 0.96a, and I used LAGs due to the insufficient OP. But now it should be replaced to Railgun so I said Railgun to him. It's supposed to be Railgun, and I currently use Railgun in this build too.

[@gean31]

@@-NB7979- Can you redo this scenario with the new legion?

[@SargentGunnery]

That's a nice loadout you got there for the XIV Legion. And that was one hell of a fight man.

[@-NB7979-]

Thanks! Yeah against Remnant it is the most effective Legion XIV loadout as I known. And yes it was a tough fight, but this is the way how low-tech ships should fight against the enemy. We may bleed, but so are they...

[@jameslockhart4507]

How did the Hegemony win the AI wars? This is how.

[@fargoth391]

Decisive battle doctrine go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@nickgrout2502]

Turns out even AIs can't deal with 200+ ordinance points of dakka

[@joelfilho2625]

I've always personally enjoyed piloting a XIV legion with double ciclone and missile specialization as my personal flagship, it's cool to see that it's also an excellent loadout for AI performance. That double ciclone salvo makes even a radiant reconsider their approach lol!

[@-NB7979-]

Yeah and now everything is heavily buffed, Legion itself, Cyclone Reaper and even Warthogs are buffed too XD I don't manage to get to the endgame stage yet in my new play but definitely will try this again to see how things are improved.

[@elkpants1280]

Great video showing love to my first hard carry ship, the XIV Legion. Can be fitted for any situation. Personally a fan of thunders, heavy machineguns and chain guns with reapers and the rest vulcans and abusing the burn drive to get in their face.

[@mrbigbrainfoxm.b.b.f4072]

Me with nexus stations : You have defeated my first wave but get ready for another one

[@EadTaes]

Legion XIV always been my favorite vanila cap. Your fleet ressembles at lot the old fleet i ran back a few years back. Except then we didn't have erradicators yet so I had to use Dominators instead.

[@-NB7979-]

Since Eradicator get nerfed and require isolated skillset compared to other ships (System expertise, most of other ships don't require it) I think now at 0.96a we are going back to the past now! I am now doing some testing with XIV Dominator and Eagle, it seems like Eagle are still kind of underwhelming as a line ship but Dominator is actually pretty strong now too.

[@EadTaes]

@@-NB7979- Interesting about the dominators. Eagles the ship that I find so esteticaly pleasing that just doesn't work that well. My best Eagle builds look like this. Chainguns and HMG in balistic with Ion pulser in energy with reapers in missiles. Or Maulers/Hyperdrives with Ion Beam and Salamanders. even tried some crazy Anti-matter blaster variant once, needless to say it sucked. Honeslt I think one of the following 3 things need and/or combination needs to happen to make the eagle good. 1: Swap the medium energy and balistique slots around, 2: give it 1 hanger bay, 3: a bit more OP to allow for easier fit.

[@TK-nn8jd]

Does the double Cyclone loadout really work better than Squall+Hurricane? I'll admit I've never tried it before, but it doesn't seem like it should. Especially in the hands of the AI. PS After finishing the vid I will admit that you have convinced me that Cyclone Reaper is better than Hurricane, at least for situations like this, though I'm still unsure if two of them was better than a Cyclone+Squall combo. The much better anti-shield damage of the Squall would have helped immensely in opening chances for the reapers to strike true instead of splashing on the shields. Regardless of quibbles over ship loadouts, still an awesome vid. You really showed off how much of an impact good fleet building and orders can make (though I'll admit to being a bit biased, since the Legion XIV is my favorite cap ship too).

[@-NB7979-]

Yes it woks very well, especially against Remnants. AI is actually better than our expectations at hitting Reapers, and the biggest advantage of Cyclone Reaper is the sheer damage output it has. Also at patch 0.96a, squall and hurricane are all horribly nerfed so I don't think it is worth using them anymore unless dev roll back them to pre-nerf status.

[@TK-nn8jd]

​@@-NB7979- I think this is legit the first time the OP responded while I was still editing my comment (I usually make a comment about the first thing that pops in my head while watching, then edit more in after I'm done if I need to). Anyway, I haven't gotten around to the new version yet, but I had heard that squall and hurricane both got nerfed pretty bad, though I'd been hoping that complaint was exaggerated. Guess I'll just have to finish my latest game on the old version soon so I can see what all the fuss is about (also, I kinda want an Invictus as a flagship, it looks super fun and memey from what I've seen).

[@mikeez4013]

Nicely done battle. You got a new subscriber.

[@Ray-yv7kn]

Terminator theme song was a perfect choice.

[@Narutosotelder]

HOLD THE LINE!!

[@-NB7979-]

Yep, for low-tech capitals, keeping frontline and fleet formation are everything.

[@bombidil3]

Why the Warthogs? Does the AI keep their shield up more because of the constant HE pressure leading them to overflux?

[@-NB7979-]

AI can't defend themselves effectively from Warthogs even if they have Omni shield, since fighter swarm hit them from all direction and confuse them a lot. Also, Warthogs can tank damage pretty well and have flares, so it does a great job at overall distraction against enemy.

[@eternal8559]

6 fucking alphas, lucky bastard

[@kappa5324]

Very good video ❤

[@omniscientindisplay7217]

have you tried xyphos oriented loadouts with aggressive officers? i must spread the good word. way stronger of a build imo. 4xyphos, 4hvd(or shield dps), 1 cryoblaster in front(to range match loadout, something else could work), 2 hammer barrage. empty small mounts. heavy armor, missile racks, ITU, solar, hardended shields. everything else into vents. best frontline tank in the game. you just need a fleet that takes advantage of it. a single one of these legion with a fleet built around it to take advantage of what it provides can easily AI auto literally any amount of anything the game can throw at it

[@-NB7979-]

Before the 0.96a, Legion didn't have enough OP to handle Xyphos but now, yes, it is also a good option. But HVD and Hammer are not recommended, HVD has too high OP and low dps, and Hammer has too low ammunition for a large battle such as against 2 large Ordos. Also HVD and Hammer is not a good combo because HVD is for long-range build and Hammer is for short to brawl build. I would use HMG and reaper loadout as in this vid, it is much more stable and stronger.

[@-NB7979-]

@omniscientindisplay7217 If you really go with the build as you describe in AI hands, you will get slaughtered when you confront the first Radiant. You can't do 1v1 against Radiant only with 4 HVD and 1 Cryo, and once Hammers are all gone, you basically have no way to crack the armor. And about 5 Ordos, if I assume it has around 8 Radiant and 30 Brilliants, you will just run out of CR before entering the final stage. I also have done this since 2022 and If you think it is good and was able to beat Remnants, it is because your other support ships are great, not Legion is overpowered.

[@omniscientindisplay7217]

@@-NB7979- its literally slaughtered countless radiants with no player input. the fact you dont think it can, speaks. no its not a 1v1 ship, however you could make it one with just a couple mount swaps. as ive stated, its the best tank build you can make in the game. no other ship can provide what it does, as good. it enables countless fleet comps simply because of how good it is at doing its job. try the exact build i described. build a fleet around what it does. xyphos arent balanced.

[@hotdog9262]

@@-NB7979- great video and fight, enjoyed it alot. you`d maybe.. do well with a few XI eagles instead of one or two of the eradicators. due to ion beam and graviton

[@hotdog9262]

meaning for example. in formation.. eradicator legion eagle. eagle with 2-3 gravitons, legion with one wing of xyphos. to back up your ballistic pressure

[@hotdog9262]

id swap 2 or all 4 LAG for light autocannons. the armor/hull damage is too minor for the flux cost imo. with 4 extra vent this would push your wep flux down to 960

[@hotdog9262]

did the LAG do well for you in the point defense role. seemed a bit redundant with all the hmg`s around but I have not tested

[@aierce]

The frigates didnt seem to do anything the whole battle. They just sat out of range and idled

[@-NB7979-]

Centurions actually distract the focus of enemy ships a lot, help Legions to focus on the primary target and didn't get flanked. Also, 6 Centurion and an assault cruiser like eradicator or Eagle can kill a Radiant, help the final stage of battle against reserved Radiant. They do stay out of their weapons range most of time, but their presence actually make a difference. Also, it is kinda cool to see small frigates escort large capitals like Legion, it really resembles the real-world naval fleet formation so asthetically satisfying! XD

[@darkmatteracid2353]

Frigates while fleet is in heavy combat: oh look an asteroid

[@samuelsilva7831]

Nice, cool tips though

[@silentyoutuber8783]

at somepiont i wish i could get this good. but thats just going to take many hours of enjoyment more :)

[@testinghydra5652]

what weapons are you using for the Legion?

[@-NB7979-]

4 Warthogs + 2 Cyclone Reapers + 5 HMG + 4 Railguns + 4 Vulcans

[@testinghydra5652]

@@-NB7979- thanks!

[@hidefreek6905]

Put Ironshell in, gain access to XIV variant of all!!!.

[@-NB7979-]

You actually can get all XIV variants in vanilla too, it just takes more time and little luck. (Only XIV Legion, others are guaranteed) But thanks for suggestion, I will try it after the update!

[@hidefreek6905]

@@-NB7979- Because the vanilla already balanced. Give Heg too many XIV is absolute bonker. (XIV can lay waste against Midline and High tech armada) Also Ironshell give Heg ship an edge. better speed with lower combat time. (Ironshell training skill is cheat...)

[@hotdog9262]

​@@hidefreek6905 XIV legion imo is not necesserily better offensively though. the regular can output a lot of gun pressure directly. and it doesn`t to the same degree(or at all) run out of ammo in longer battles. if I pilot it, it have for example sarissa, xyphos and two flash bombers

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

What's the most brainless fleet comp to farm redacted?

[@-NB7979-]

I think frigates(LP brawler, Omen) spam with a capital anchor is really powerful, at least until recent 0.97 update. I haven't played yet since last year so I don't know well about current meta :(

[@zxbc1]

Legion is fine for the power / deployment cost, but for single strongest baseline ship Paragon has no equal. Properly fit Paragon will demolish anything and is much safer to use because of 360 degree shield and fortress shield. EMP tachyons are also the most OP weapon in the game.

[@-NB7979-]

Can Paragon do 1v1 against Radiant? Actually I've never used Paragon before so wonder whether properly set Paragon can 1v1 Radiant in AI hands.

[@zxbc1]

@@-NB7979- You do 2x front mounted Tachyons and max out shield and capacitor, and then max out shield damage with the remaining turrets. The way tachyons work is perfect with front mounts on Paragon because you can aim once, fire, and while you're adjusting and lining up for the second shot, the tachyon is cooling down. Once you have target's shield down, the tachyons do a bazillion damage and start disabling their weapons and engine, and it's game over. I have a mod that tracks all the damage of my ships after each battle, and in all my playthroughs with all kinds of weapons, aside from the really fast phasing ships that are equipped with cryo weapons, the tachyon ones are the highest damage always. I suggest you try to fit it with any ship that has a large laser mount. It instantly upgrades that ship to OP class. The caveat is it's a lot of cap use and it isn't spectacular shield damage compared to some of the other weapons, which is why you want to combine using other high shield damage weapons so you strip shield faster. Paragon has no equal. I play a modded verison with fleet size mod and I regularly face radiant fleet swarms with 4+ battleships and I kill them with ease with my elite unique paragon ship fleet with lots of other tachyons mounted on other ships as well.

[@nikoladd]

There have been lots of balancing. Radiant's and other [REDACTED] ships are insanely hard to flux now. Paragon is kinda useless against them and they nerfed basically all the missiles. Your builds are rather dysfunctional IMO. Bulkheads everywhere are a waste for the fight itself. The idea to build kinetic EVERYWHERE doesn't seem to work also. All those vulcans are a waste of OP. Those fighters didn't work as shield punchers and centurions stayed back all the time. On the plus side Eradicators worked fine. Legions did hold, but barely. Considering the "investment" in this setup it didn't work very well at all. I mean with that amount of overkill, you'd expect it to work better. Still interesting experiment though.

[@-NB7979-]

If you use a Reaper as a main weapon, you need to expect an overkill and waste of shots since AI doesn't know how to choose a target or tap a fire. About Reinforced Bulkhead, actually it saved Legions in many times, even in this video Legion manage to survive at the end with very small amount of health thanks to it. Without it, it would be killed. Yeah, this build is not perfect and I know there are some better loadouts that can defeat +3 Large Ordos but at the moment I made this vid I think I was pretty satisfied with it.