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[@RED_Theory038]

I'm thankful for this video existing. With the way GW is going, I'm looking elsewhere and Infinity is one of them. Community may be tiny compared to GW's, but I'm willing to pick up starter box and play some demo games at my local game store and get something going.

[@the_infinitygamer]

People like you help the community grow. Hopefully infinity will one day have a similar sized community to 40k 😁

[@RED_Theory038]

If there's no starter pack with factions I'm interested, or could entice a 40k player to try, how feasible would it be to make my own box set with Code: One rules in mind? I'm thinking Tunguska Jurisdictional Command + something PanO + some scenery.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Pan O came in Kaldstrøm and probably has its own action pack by now. To be honest you could get started with almost any faction. You won’t have profiles for anything outside the core 6 for now but you could play as one of those factions with whatever models you like until you’re familiar with the game and can play N4 profiles.

[@ichabod3987]

Take the jump. I have never looked back - games are fast paced, as a player you are always engaged in the narrative, it's way cheaper and the models actually look good. The rules are complex, though, so find someone friendly to flatten out the learning curve. I love that anything can take out anything else - clutch wins happen often.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Clutch wins are my only wins! One dice roll can win or lose you the game. It’s incredibly fun and engaging.

[@baliofterenas]

To echo many of the comments so far, this is a great video for those starting out. I think your focus on people coming into the game is a great service to them and the community at large. Keep it up!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yay! We all benefit of there are more players picking up this awesome game. I genuinely do appreciate the comment 😁

[@janofe2232]

Got the crimson stone starter set, and am loving the process of learning it with my wife. The speed of play is fantastic and we can already bash out a game in less than an hour. Looking forward to diving deeper into it!

[@the_infinitygamer]

🙌 that’s a really nice amount of time for a game!

[@perkinsdearborn4693]

Thanks for all the excellent Infinity content. I am just getting started. I plan to build cheap terrain using Dollar Tree empty gift boxes ($1.25 per box). I expect a full 2x3 foot (15 points) game of terrain for about $20, with some crafting effort to improve the basic look. I have pre-painted Star Wars miniatures and D&D dice.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s a great idea. Terrain is so important in infinity but that doesn’t mean you need anything more than what you have already 😃

[@vorpalkickass8825]

I`ve seen Corvus Belli minis in my LGS, and now with GW activelly sabotaging themselves, am actually looking into alternatives. Thanks for the video! :)

[@the_infinitygamer]

You're so welcome Vorpal. If you have any questions feel free to ask!

[@jamesteal8253]

Thank you for your efforts that help build the community. Keep up the great work!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you so much for the positive comments! Fingers crossed the master plan works 😂

[@lorgor4eva]

Discovered the video as I’m thinking of starting infinity. Always done GW for a long time but as I’ve joined a new club I’m discovering new games out there as I’m doing KOW & thinking of doing conquest also. However there’s others & I like the idea of a few skirmish games with lower model counts so I’m looking at games like moonstone, marvel crisis & infinity also which really caught my eye. Very useful content to help me make the decision on doing infinity thinking of starting with operation Grimson Stone to get me started.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Glad you found the video and I’ve heard great things about MCP for smaller skirmish games. All my infinity buddies ply that too so worth looking into!

[@warmasterraven1447]

I'm excited to try something different to 40k. Love the models, now I just need to learn the lore. Thank you for making this video!

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re so welcome! Having made the switch over from 40k myself I can say it’s been AMAZING!

[@tomemaster1744]

Took the plunge and got my Nomads in preparation of Operation Crimson Stone! Now just to get them assembled and painted up (the daunting part).

[@the_infinitygamer]

👏👏👏 great choice!!

[@lordcypher7922]

This is a super helpful video, I have the code one box and it’s a great way to get into the universe. I want to move on to N4 but will have to wait until the pandemic is over

[@the_infinitygamer]

Code one is excellent fun. I actually still quite like a game as a fun session without having to think as hard!

[@lordcypher7922]

@@the_infinitygamerI’m sure I will find that out but definitely preferring Panoceania at the moment and great value for money

[@the_infinitygamer]

Great faction! You should have heaps of fun with them in C1 and they’re a great faction in N4 too.

[@WarpChargedGaming]

Nice job man! Love that this will help new players get into Infinity!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you so much! Really hope it makes the jump into Infinity easier for newcomers.

[@MrMidnightYT]

Just started looking into Infinity, this video was a great help, cheers mate!

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re so welcome! Glad you found it useful 😃

[@onua2012sga]

Awesome video and channel, I’m new but definitely looking into Infinity. It seems like a very forgiving game in terms of time and money!

[@the_infinitygamer]

What games were you playing before?

[@onua2012sga]

@@the_infinitygamer I’ve only actually played 40k, but I’ve looked into several other games for their lore and whatnot (as you can maybe see from my WHF/AoS screen name). I’ve recently gotten into Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings but I’ve always been more into sci-fi and so here I am haha

[@the_infinitygamer]

Hopefully you can get a game with a local Warcor and see if infinity is for you 😃

[@topherali]

Fantastic video! Wish I had something like this when I first started out. The little kit of acrylic tokens in your vid, who is it that publishes that one? Looks super handy!

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s the Battle Kiwi Code One wallet. Absolutely love mine and can’t play a game without it. You can add an extra tray to it and it becomes N4 compatible.

[@squadof5388]

Great vid to point starting players to! Suggestion - one of the things that tripped me up initially were the dice rolls and successes. If you could fit it in, a short vid may make it clearer for new players.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yes! This is such a good one to cover as it’s tricky to master.

[@arrik1]

@@the_infinitygamer I thought you covered it in an earlier video? Although a dedicated one for ease is probably a solid idea.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I did mention it in an explainer or two but a standalone one would be good for referencing.

[@Torkijo]

@@the_infinitygamer Did you do a Stand alone Infinity Roll offs one?

[@the_infinitygamer]

No I didn’t it’s buried deep within a ‘how to play’. It would be a good little reference video though so I’ll add it to the list 😃

[@HeadHunterSix]

The color scheme on your O-12 at 5:40 reminds me of the New Conglomerate from the Planetside MMO.

[@the_infinitygamer]

I’d never heard of that game but checking it out for inspiration for my other factions. Thanks for the heads up!

[@HeadHunterSix]

@@the_infinitygamer It's too "battle royale" for my tastes now, but if Infinity was an MMO it would be that one.

[@craigbrown04]

This is a brilliant video. I've had my eye on infinity for a while and out of the blue, my gaming bubby messaged me saying he wanted to start playing. Now we are looking at armies.... Thinking Araiadna, thoughts?

[@the_infinitygamer]

YES!! That’s brilliant to hear. Ariadna is a great faction - I’ve lost to it many many times (darn Antipodes!!!). Glad the video was useful 😄

[@Presbiter]

Every year around this time I search for older Infinity sets...you can get pretty decent deals sometimes even half the the RRP...well that got me now 7 factions with roughly 20 models each and an avarage mini cost of 4$...last year I got JSA Armypack for 40$ and Coldfront 45$ beyond red veil 17$...the year befor that icestorm for 55$ and beyond 20$... If you need not every model direct after release you can get pretty good deals if you invest a little energy in searching for them ;)

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s a great suggestion! I struggled to find Kaldstrøm stuff not long after launch but eventually a set was up for grabs.

[@wecamefromthewarp6911]

Great video, very informative. Wyrd miniatures Malifaux app is great too and I'm glad to see companies like CB and Wyrd bucking the trend

[@the_infinitygamer]

I really need to check out malifaux. It makes sense though, the easier it is to play the game the more likely you are to suck people in!!

[@wecamefromthewarp6911]

@@the_infinitygamer I think it's a great game, very accessible. Which is probably why I'm drawn to both 'faux and infinity (that and the amazing scuplts) just a shame that nobody near me (relatively) plays 🤣🤣🤣

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s something that is a little frustrating for sure. Wish more people played these amazing games!

[@wecamefromthewarp6911]

Oddly, I have found a gaming group an hour or so away. Hopefully the UK govt can get it's act together soon. But I'm not going to hold my breath

[@the_infinitygamer]

Although holding your breath might prevent contracting covid it has other unwanted side effects. Fingers crossed you can game soon!

[@konstantinosioannidis1625]

Thank you for this video...very helpfull!!!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thanks for watching it I really appreciate the support!

[@Torkijo]

OK, been thinking about this and looking around but cant find a beginners list building guide based around C1 anywhere. Looking for things like how you should balance your team for different scenarios/play style Key things you need to include - Offence, Defence, ARO etc Medics, who should be Lt, Weapons Pros & Cons etc I know its a large ask but as a player new to C1/Infinity (but not new to Wargaming) there is little out there for either C1 or N4 given this is now a year old and we have a new starter set coming out.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That's an excellent idea! I've popped that on the list because I would have loves something similar when I jumped into N3 and C1.

[@Torkijo]

@@the_infinitygamer now, if you could have it ready for the Crimson Stone release…… ..

[@the_infinitygamer]

😂😂😂 no promises

[@josephgavinsyverson]

Very helpful video. I will probably pick up the starter box : )

[@the_infinitygamer]

So glad you found it helpful! Keep us posted with how you go.

[@brendonsorenson5560]

Been enjoying your videos! Can we get an update with your current thoughts?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Current thoughts on the game are that it’s better than ever!! Thank you for checking out the videos too, it means a lot!

[@brendonsorenson5560]

@@the_infinitygamer yes, yes...we agree, the game is awesome! I was basically pandering for a new "Start Playing" update! Keep it up my friend!

[@the_infinitygamer]

I do need to do an updated How to Play but time is not so kind!

[@tomusannonymous]

Ive got the old Operation Icestorm starter pack and the N3 rulebook which I havent read yet. How relevant are the models from that set and should I learn the N3 rules? Are they hugely different form N4?

[@the_infinitygamer]

The N3 rules are more complicated than N4 and a few things have been removed or heavily changed. I’d recommend reading the Code One rules first then go to N4. As for Icestorm you can check the army builder to be sure (it’s free) but most look to still be valid. Even if they’re not you can use the model and proxy it for something else. So long as the S value is the same infinity is very proxy friendly.

[@mindless.thoughtz]

Great video as usual dude :) regarding the unofficial rules for the other factions you mentioned, where can I find them?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Great question! Are you on discord? There might be a few people on there that have home brew C1 rules for different factions.

[@mindless.thoughtz]

@@the_infinitygamer thanks, I will join the discord server :)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Good move, a great bunch of people there.

[@fn3205]

I came across this game last night on the internet and I seriously need more info. I'm willing to get into it and I may even consider starting a scene in the future. This game is such a hidden gem! Armies I like are HaqqIslam & Combined. What's the FB group called?

[@the_infinitygamer]

So glad you found it and i was exactly the same when I discovered Infinity! WGC Infinity is the global group to jump on, it's a great resource for finding players and more info.

[@fn3205]

@@the_infinitygamer Thank you! I've requested to join! What do you think of Malifaux, in comparison to Infinity?

[@the_infinitygamer]

I must admit that I’ve never played it! It’s on my list of games to try but that list is getting too long 😂

[@Torkijo]

Would be good to see some videos based on basic 15pt list building from the CodeOne core sets and Beyond boxes

[@the_infinitygamer]

I like that idea. Do you mean a list that would be fun to play or one that teaches a wide variety of rules?

[@Torkijo]

@@the_infinitygamer why not both? I just know I struggled building my first one from the core sets as wasn't sure how to interact and what the point of each of the units was, most of what's out there info wise is well above newbie and often slips into jargon

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s true actually I struggled with my first few lists. Learning synergy and defensive layers is a key part of completing missions but easily missed when learning

[@Torkijo]

@@the_infinitygamer Thats a lot better summary of what I was trying to say :-)

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re too kind 😁

[@arjunbadeshia2893]

Hi on the corvus belli website it looked like operation wildfire is infinity and not infinity code one. Would I be better off getting the code on starter set which seems to be kaldstrom?

[@the_infinitygamer]

You're right, Code One hadn't been launched when Wildfire was released but everything in Wildfire is Code One compatible. So if you buy either you're setting yourself up for Code One goodness :D

[@Eric-jt8yx]

Great Video! Thanks

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re welcome!

[@scottperkins5038]

Piked up the N4 rulebook on release day and still haven't played a game, still not 100% on which army to play. As for terrain I highly recommend TT combat.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Need to get you into a demo game at least! Have you reached out on Facebook to see if anyone pics can give you a demo? WGC Infinity is a good page but your country should have its own too.

[@scottperkins5038]

There seems to be a small community in my local store but the UK is in its 3rd lockdown.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Sorry to hear that, something to look forward to when you come out the other side?

[@scottperkins5038]

@@the_infinitygamer True. Might be able to get my flatmates involved when they're allowed back.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Sounds like an excellent way to get social once things ease off. Just don’t play Biotechvore, might be too soon 😬

[@slabrankle9794]

I ended up buying the combined army starter pack and my brother bought the yu ping starter, are we able to use the code one rules with just those?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yes you are 😃 those starter sets are perfect for getting started with Code One.

[@Ljosi]

Laser tape measure solves 2 in 1 - range and line of sight

[@the_infinitygamer]

I’ve never seen a laser tape being used. Might be a good idea!

[@sethlightfoot956]

Was able to snag a special boxing day box of operation iceborn today, wondering if the Nomads are supported in code-1?

[@the_infinitygamer]

They just got profiles in the code one army builder thanks to Crimson Stone 😃

[@sethlightfoot956]

@@the_infinitygamer Perfect thanks!

[@the_infinitygamer]

You’re welcome!

[@Snipermax23]

I know this is stupid but we're do u buy the starter sets I don't know were to look

[@the_infinitygamer]

If you’re in Europe then Corvus Belli’s website might be a good place to look. Otherwise I recommend jumping on the Ibfinity Discord channel or Infinity Global Community (IGC) on Facebook and asking - a local will make good recommendations.

[@zokisvasta]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but one thing nobody mentions is that before you can even think about starting to play, you have to assemble and paint the miniatures. I was looking for beginner wargames that play relatively quickly to play with my wife, Infinity came up with Code One and their starter sets, so I went ahead and ordered Crimson Stone and this came as an extremely unpleasant surprise.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Most tabletop Wargames require models to be assembled and painted by their new owner. For many it’s most of what they enjoy about the hobby! You could get them assembled and painted by a commission painter if you really don’t want to do it yourself.

[@zokisvasta]

@@the_infinitygamer I understand there's a huge legacy behind miniature gaming, but for someone who is just picking up their first game this isn't immediately obvious at all since the advertised miniatures are always finished. That's where my frustration is coming from. The minis here are also a lot smaller than I expected, I'll have to figure out how we can start playing this quickly. I'll keep an open mind, thanks.

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s actually a very good point, having them painted on the box is kind of misleading. I think the back of games workshop boxes show the models on sprue to show how they come in the box.

[@waywardrush]

That "another person to play against" is always the step I trip over.

[@the_infinitygamer]

It’s also a self-realising issues. People don’t get into the game because there’s no-one to play against, which means fewer people get into the game, because there’s…no-one to play against…because people aren’t getting into the game…

[@quietprofessional4557]

Infinity is not a popular game compared to others. However, the people you can find are good to play with. It is just a matter of reaching out.

[@geteavnroc2250]

Yes, i need help understanding what subfactions are. I understand the factions, utterly no clue what the subfactions mean, game-wise.

[@the_infinitygamer]

The sectorials are something I’m looking to expand on soon!

[@geteavnroc2250]

@@the_infinitygamer Yes, those. I forgot the name. Are they pretty much like chapters/craft worlds/forge worlds/etc? I guess the confusing part to me, is how to tell what models belong to which sectorial.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yes they’re very similar but they are also like detachments in that you have special things unlocked by using them.

[@mosesgonzalez2248]

Been waiting the two years it took me to build my armies 😭

[@the_infinitygamer]

Good things take time!

[@mosesgonzalez2248]

@@the_infinitygamer the timing is perfect I have two teams painted 🤣 you guys are on point

[@the_infinitygamer]

Two painted teams?! Madness!! You’re doing it all wrong if you actually finish painting things 😂

[@godhenry007]

Do you like this more than war hammer?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Yes, very much more 😃

[@sonoftheemperor5685]

Coming from warhammer 40k. Got a sniper heavy faction?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Haha yes! The faction Pan O has a horrible link team with a Kamau sniper. O12 has the Epsilon, which is epic and a few others have good snipers. Get one with MSV2 and another unit with smoke to tear things up.

[@sonoftheemperor5685]

@@the_infinitygamer thanks I’ll look at them

[@the_infinitygamer]

Always welcome!

[@Soulreclaimer65]

Operation Wildfire shows discontinued in April of 2020.

[@the_infinitygamer]

😳 NOOOO!

[@k.v.delchev6022]

Max burst is 6 - Kriza in a fireteam gets B6

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s crazy. BUT if any are crits then add a dice...worst, worst case (and unlikely to ever happen) 12 saving throws.

[@k.v.delchev6022]

Maximum is 20. For example William Wallace in a 5-man team in close combat, scoring 5 crits with exp CC weapon

[@the_infinitygamer]

That’s just ridiculous!

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer Imagine actually making all of those saving throws!

[@the_infinitygamer]

Not even in my wildest dreams

[@WhiteWulfe]

Ouch, that map is fairly sparse for Canada o_O Nobody in Saksatchewan for example o_O Every time I see those Nomads, man they look good. But I already have too many factions to paint!! OOOOOooooh, that laser line sounds really REALLY tempting...

[@the_infinitygamer]

Well Canada has lots of places where there aren’t lots of people 😂. Yeah nomads are dangerously high on the desire list. They are good....

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer *Googles* Huh, didn't realize they only had 1.1 million in the entire province... As for Nomads, if I ever actually sit down and give enough work to my Haqq, Yu Jing, as well as hubby's Ariadna and PanO... I suspect Nomads will be next. So many things there are just so enticing..

[@the_infinitygamer]

Hahaha we have 5m in the entire country on a land mass the size of Britain. 1m is a lot of people to us 😂

[@WhiteWulfe]

@@the_infinitygamer True enough. I suspect the reaction you guys have is kind of similar to us when someone tells us there are cities with multiples of millions of people living in them. I know my first reaction to Dallas Texas (in the US) was "wait, HOW big is this city?!?!?!"

[@the_infinitygamer]

I know. When some countries have a single city with the population of our country it is weird. Grew up new London and never appreciated how many people lived there!

[@patrikmansuri]

Great video

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thank you so much!!

[@brandongranger3849]

How active is the competitive community for this game in the states?

[@the_infinitygamer]

Pretty active. Look for Infinity Global Community (IGC) on Facebook for groups or use the Warcor map.

[@julioaugusto60]

I would Love to play this game,but in my country the minis are like,100000 reais

[@the_infinitygamer]

You could buy a Rolex for that sort of money 😂

[@rielabapo1424]

cool

[@kaibe5241]

Have played infinity 3 times now and the game still irks me. The rules are poorly written (my friends and I are constantly having to re-read the rules and interpret intention - likely because they're translated), the army list builder is AWFUL, and there's a few jarring rules like armour saves which aren't consistent with the rest of the game's design. Add to this that it is extremely hard to figure out what to buy and for whom... even with Code One it's not a great experience for new players. My friends and I have played TONS of different wargames, I have at least 30 in my collection and infinity is one of the hardest games we've found to pick up and play. It's a real shame because the models are awesome the lore is excellent. Compare this with their other products like Aristeia! or the upcoming Warcrow (which looks awesome), Infinity is way, way more complex and much harder to learn how to play.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Have you played N4? They streamlined the gameplay massively and it sounds like N5 (coming out in October) will rewrite the armour saves to be in line with other rolls.

[@kaibe5241]

@@the_infinitygamer that would be great to see if possible. I’ve been playing code one.

[@gerardcipriano2202]

Whats the name of those cute lil Monster at 11:06 ?

[@the_infinitygamer]

The usual monster invading videos is CJ the cat 😂

[@greenthousands]

So many videos made ostensibly for Infinity beginners go off on tangential discussions about what you ought to do or will do to get into the game (N4, terrain, accessories, etc.), what N4 is and requires, how inadequate any starter boxes or Code One are. Even if that's not their aim, it really does put off potential players because there's a long discussion about what this game is supposed to be but there's no emphasis or focus on the actual gameplay, the mechanics. Here's what you do on the tabletop. Your video is 16:29 minutes of circular talk, lacking focus of what a newbie needs to know. Must be a characteristic of the meta.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Very possibly, I’m also quite a waffle person at times too. I certainly don’t think code one is bad, in fact it’s by far the best way to get into the game. Same with the code one boxes. I don’t think any other game has two players starter sets that are as good as these. I’ve covered gameplay and mechanics in other videos but do you think combining the kit you need to get started and a discussion on core mechanics would be beneficial to new players?

[@quietprofessional4557]

Check out my crimson stone tutorials. I try and focus on the game mechanics without any divergence. Although I am using crimson stone missions, I add a few extra simple rules that are useful to know if N4. Basically, I use crimson stone to explain N4. Let me know what you think.

[@thug4lyfe]

Are you Kiwi?!

[@the_infinitygamer]

I’m British but live in New Zealand 😃

[@LARPBeard]

Welp, I guess it's time to redo this video :)

[@the_infinitygamer]

Hahaha you’re very right

[@ThePenguinsKing]

There is an Arabic army yet no one in the Middle East plays the game?

[@the_infinitygamer]

I think there might be some Middle Eastern gaming groups. IGC Facebook group will know!

[@Ljosi]

The price of anything collectible is prohibitive for countries outside of G7

[@the_infinitygamer]

We try and manage here in NZ!

[@Bifstak]

Anyone else jumping ship from 40K?

[@the_infinitygamer]

You are one of a few comments across my videos saying the same 😃

[@Bifstak]

Interesting! Anyway, this is a great intro!

[@quietprofessional4557]

@@Bifstak yes. Years ago when infinity was N2. Early 2000s. Was a good jump.

[@Oreo_cakester]

Step 1: find a table

[@the_infinitygamer]

Or don’t if TTS is your thing 😜

[@wraithgr]

Good video but quite heavy on the ads...

[@the_infinitygamer]

Thanks for letting me know. I have noticed a heap more appearing even in the videos I watch. Is it the ones at the beginning or during that are most annoying?

[@wraithgr]

@@the_infinitygamer I don't mind ads at the beginning or end, you are putting a lot of work into this and I want to support the channel. Ads in the middle can work if it's a single block in the middle but (and maybe my fault for not paying attention here) I think this had blocks at the beginning and end and then a couple in the middle just after the start and just before the end. If ads at the start are not enough, my personal preference would be one block around the middle, ideally (and I don't know how easy or hard this is) at some point where it makes sense, so not mid-segment and definitely not mid-sentence. Just my 2c, keep up the good work and sorry if I came off abrupt.

[@the_infinitygamer]

Not at all! It’s a balancing act trying to work out what’s acceptable for viewers so they watch future videos without worrying that they’ll be bombarded. Also a balance to try and earn enough to keep justifying the time. Thanks so much for the feedback 😀

[@RobCattivelli]

Great video, as usual from my favorite content creator on Infinity... Even if I'm not the target of this video, because this year I have collected two full tables, 5 sectorials force [O-12 as main, after many of your showcase vids] and a full-range of accessories 😅

[@the_infinitygamer]

😂😂😂 definitely not a newcomer but you’re a great example of how to do the hobby properly! I really appreciate your kind words Rob, just the positivity I need!

[@TonyProuteau-q2d]

Merci !

[@the_infinitygamer]

THANK YOU!! I really appreciate this 🥰

[@xolteklolo9155]

Infinity is more expensive to play than warhammer

[@the_infinitygamer]

Because the models are more attractive so you buy more of them?