Starting As PRIMITIVES In Stellaris

[@Ep3o]

Please don't liberate me :) Ignore the fact that earth is named sol... Bit of an oopise XD

[@TheArklyte]

Don't know about primitives per say, but pre-FTL/"woops, we missed FTL tech" starts were always interesting to me, especially after habitats were introduced which allowed empires to grow without expanding. Give me a start with (ability to get) Gaia Earth, ecumenopolis Luna, terraformed Mars, Venus, with habitable Titan, Ganymede and Europa, with machine world Mercury and with Dyson swarm of solar satellites around Sol. Or rather an ability to do all that. I think that such ultratall empires that are somehow denied an ability to spread out for first 10/20/30/50 years of the game, can be quite interesting from both roleplay and gameplay perspectives. The game somehow doesn't like very densely packed systems. With how things are, you can give them "guaranteed worlds" as really crappy systems with hyperlanes leading to their home system ie Sol to simulate them going at sublight there. After all, there is more then 1000 star systems in galaxy, but games like Stellaris or Mass Effect are limited by tech and time of developers so instead we see _interesting_ and easy to navigate systems. We fight an intergalactic war for 1000 systems not because galaxy somehow lacks billions of systems, but because most systems are crap and don't have convenient hyperlane/mass relay access.

[@jexiste6516]

Quite the fun episode and it also makes me think if someone was extrememy patient i believe it would be possible to make a series through a bunch of paradox games for every level of civilisation by using the initial création of every games to pick up where they left off within the previous game .

[@charlesenglehart9724]

@@jexiste6516 I think that would be an amazing game, if they would do that.

[@BierBart12]

I'm gonna liberate you anyways. If our solar system would follow the same naming convention as other systems do, Earth is also called Sol-3 (Third rock from the sun)

[@andrefasching1332]

@@jexiste6516 this is called a "Megacampaign" there are actually quite a lot of themnout there. They are mostly CK2/3-> Eu4-> Victoria 2-> Hoi4 Some include Stellaris if they manage to finaly unite the World in Hoi4 but the way funnier and interesting ones are the ones were the focus is less on expansion but more on creating a story of some kind.

[@1999le]

I love that "I've tried to model humans as best as possible" while hovering over the xenophobe trait

[@damienchall8297]

humans would vary all across the spectrum it depends on the interactions with xenos what would happen

[@t.mitchell9135]

@@damienchall8297 perhaps, but would you have a beer with a slimy reptilianesque spider thing? Thought not. Humans are Xenophobe, but probably not fanatic xenophobe.

[@damienchall8297]

@@t.mitchell9135 I would put on a suit and ride a damn spider Yes lots of people are afraid and I know if we ran into a planet of talking roaches it would be hard not to nuke it from orbit to make sure

[@Sasha-nl8ry]

Some one has never seen teratophiliacs before :)

[@dreamypizza8458]

@@damienchall8297 50% of humans PURGE THE XENOS IN HOLY FIRE the other 50% damn lets let that xeno absolutely rail us no in between is there really?

[@TheArklyte]

Don't know about primitives per say, but pre-FTL/"woops, we missed FTL tech" starts were always interesting to me, especially after habitats were introduced which allowed empires to grow without expanding. Give me a start with (ability to get) Gaia Earth, ecumenopolis Luna, terraformed Mars, Venus, with habitable Titan, Ganymede and Europa, with machine world Mercury and with Dyson swarm of solar satellites around Sol. Or rather an ability to do all that. I think that such ultratall empires that are somehow denied an ability to spread out for first 10/20/30/50 years of the game, can be quite interesting from both roleplay and gameplay perspectives. The game somehow doesn't like very densely packed systems. With how things are, you can give them "guaranteed worlds" as really crappy systems with hyperlanes leading to their home system ie Sol to simulate them going at sublight there. After all, there is more then 1000 star systems in galaxy, but games like Stellaris or Mass Effect are limited by tech and time of developers so instead we see _interesting_ and easy to navigate systems. We fight an intergalactic war for 1000 systems not because galaxy somehow lacks billions of systems, but because most systems are crap and don't have convenient hyperlane/mass relay access.

[@Ep3o]

An origin where you can’t get FTL tech for a while but your starting system is real nice, some great events and story about exploring that one solar system could be really good! Great ideas!

[@akimomalrov3241]

Yea a situation where you miss ftl or even story arcs where your attempts at it fail would be ultra cool (E.g. the event where you come actoss your old ftl prototype ship (cant remember if thats more events mod or vanilla)) I feel like in order for it to work in a balanced state, either more environmental factors for ftl would be needed, or ftl speed would need to be significantly reduced, for other ftl empires. cause you dont want to be a single system locked earth and then have all these other empires advancing properly and just eat everything around you. you would need to tone down the actual function of FTL as in a scenario where you can lack ftl for a while, other systems become way more valuable

[@lepingas2401]

Playable Katzenartig Empire be like

[@noneofyourbusiness4133]

You’re sadly thinking of thr Transcendent humanity start. It was super cool but it’s currently broken.

[@TheArklyte]

@@akimomalrov3241 I was actually thinking of skipping main FTL techs completely. Instead they should get discount or at least higher roll chance to open jump drives and gates. But I guess players would exploit it by demanding vassalization from whatever AI arrives into their system first.

[@GyaruRespecter]

Now there's an interesting idea, playing as a king in a primitive world, crusading all over the planet in an attempt to unify your species before the time's up. I wonder if you could make a game out of that.

[@jaang7424]

@Gyaru Respecter Crusader Kings III/Europa Universalis IV/Hearts of Iron IV cover a lot of that ground. Maybe we need a mod that ties all of the Paradox games into a single campaign.

[@exen8650]

@@jaang7424 just play cities skylines first, then your city grows and you become head of state so hearts of iron or something, then stellaris as you've united the entire world under your control.

[@1stdragon123]

@@jaang7424 there are mods to convert saves into the next game. my friends used to do mega campaigns that go from imperitor all the way to hoi4. we would get like 10-40 players in each game so other players would keep eachother in check. 1 massive country cant beat 5 large countrys for example.

[@ethanyeung6216]

The people who don't get the joke

[@jaang7424]

@@ethanyeung6216 Coming from an aquatic world, I don't get dry humor.

[@XxShadow101xX]

Oh god this mod is rough, but it has great potential! I could see myself playing this a ton ngl

[@Ep3o]

It has the foundation, just needs some flavour and bugfixes!

[@greenishapples1732]

Wish they would let you do this base game. Kinda no point to the whole technology eras before space age and it usually takes halfway through the gane before you can seriously interact with them ie not worth it then

[@bsh7390]

when modder is more dedicated than dev /s

[@bencurran3204]

@@bsh7390 paradox moment XD

[@RisenOswald]

​@@bsh7390 didt that mod die?

[@bpdqbpdq]

This mod reads like those hoi 4 mods where half the focuses have the description "MOD_SOV_BINGUSPATH_01" where you can so perfectly see what they're trying to do but they've just failed to finish coloring in the boxes.

[@cewla3348]

in reality, that's just the devs either a. having a broken mod (will fix later, working on features now) or b. leaving the flavor text for later

[@alexiel4406]

Use to play this called “PreFTL player” mod when the game just came out, forming colonies on the moon and mars with small habitats. Was my favorite RP play through

[@HDTomo]

Sounds pretty pog

[@viciousyeen6644]

Yeah that was so much fun. Had it combined with a mod that allowed humongously large ships at the end. Ships wich would dwarf any Titans that came out with later updates by a lot. It gave the game such a feel of grandeur to know you started with a single little rocket once and became the dominant species of a whole galaxy

[@fiendish9474]

Very interesting concept, I did think the "influencing primitives" actions needed more mechanics to lead up to annexation/vassalization

[@adolfasramanauskas6780]

I never got it to work fully, always stuck in at least one or the other stage of "development", great to see it finally in action normally as much as it could be!

[@Ep3o]

Really hope the dev keeps working on it! Got a lot of potential! Glad you enjoyed :)

[@130_33]

First look looks like a fun mod

[@Vesdus]

Imagine if IRL we were just minding our own business and some alien fleet came by and blew up the I.S.S.

[@rylorthreev1353]

reminds me of sentient attempt at creating a FTL realistic mod

[@Ep3o]

Good mod, good video, good special guests xD

[@granolapancake]

Looks like it could be a fun mod. A shame it's in such a broken state though.

[@Ep3o]

A bit more flavour / events too would make it one of the best mods IMO. Props to the solo dev though

[@granolapancake]

@@Ep3o Describing it as ambitious would be an understatement. It's definitely a diamond in the rough.

[@Ep3o]

@@granolapancake 100%. love the ambition though

[@jmneo4635]

I wonder what kind of "broken". Broken in it's - Unbalanced? - Buggy? - Incomplete content? Would love to know btw I would have to re-download the game just to try this mod.

[@granolapancake]

@@jmneo4635 It's unfinished and will very likely crash your game.

[@fierylightning3422]

I always wanted to see a space game that would focus on the early stage of interplanetary colonisation, maybe such as colonising the first few dozen light years before you even discover the ability to go faster than light (you can get tech that can go 1%, 5%, 10%, even 50% speed or light before you unlock ftl. And ftl might even only be like initially 10x faster than light)

[@Ep3o]

You might want to check out distant worlds 2!

[@roblangada4516]

Dyson Sphere Program but more of a 4x game basically. Sounds sick. I would love a 4x set in a hard scifi universe like The Expanse, with multiple factions vying for control of the system. I don't think most people appreciate how big just one solar system is, and how much worldbuilding you could fit in one.

[@BigIronEnjoyer]

@@roblangada4516 Not a 4x, but if you want something with an Expanse vibe, there's Children of a Dead Earth. More like Kerbal Space Program with guns.

[@thesenate1844]

there is the planetary habitats origin from the planetary diversity mod, where you can build them on any planet, moon or asteroid and start with Luna and Mars colonized

[@cewla3348]

hell, even building on the fact that the 'sub-light' is insanely fast - inter-planetary trips take months to do at the start, with trade and cargo being extremely important

[@l.a.3680]

Interesting mod. They should give these "pre-techs" some kind of description like "this tech path will lead to this in the future" ore something like that.

[@Xbox3851_]

This mod has great potential

[@Ep3o]

Very true!

[@Xbox3851_]

@@Ep3o sadly I won't be able to play it when it's patched because I play on the console edition which doesn't even have aquatics yet.

[@Ep3o]

@@Xbox3851_ does console have mods?

[@Xbox3851_]

@@Ep3o sadly no

[@jacktom3799]

@@Xbox3851_ does that mean console players cant see the chad looking dolphine? :(

[@RuralTowner]

Also kinda reminds me of that planet in Stargate Atlantis that some of the crew on the expedition think was just a game but it turned out their decisions were literally being carried out...

[@Egobyte83]

You should have used the Wick's: Humans mod too where you can have human portraits using both suits and ties as well as more contemporary looking uniforms for that authentic feel of pioneering spacerace humans.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I can see a primitives origin being added eventually.

[@KuraKekoa]

“Advanced alien civilization” Fleet strength: 7

[@130_33]

Sad that it crashed, but maybe the creator sees the bideo and fixes it

[@HalIOfFamer]

I prefer those mods that move your save from other games to stellaris. Once I started in ck and took a big kingdom, moved to eu4 and made it into a continental empire, made it into a colonial empire in vicky 2 and took the world in hoi before going to the stars in a wery well built up starting planet since I essentially played tall in every previous game, only taking enough territory to be able to develop it all. By Stellaris my world had almost all building slots unlocked, huge bonuses and 50 pops. It was pretty fun.

[@terraopg8259]

man even when i start as a normal empire i am always like the primitives .... i always die within the first 25 years of the game ...

[@gunslinger2000]

Cool mod and a great playthrough. Your narration is fluid and on point throughout the vid! Awesome job!

[@ryanlaws6182]

Dude hardly blinks, i swear an eagle could lose a stare contest to this guy. Now i cant stop timing my blinks

[@Ep3o]

Lmao this mad me laugh ty

[@knockdoun]

omg I played this game in 2016. glad to see people are still playing this

[@Ep3o]

Alive and well! The game is also much different to 2016, I would recommend trying it out again :)

[@Supha123]

You are my main avenue of discovering cool af mods for stellaris and for that i thank you

[@romanfan250]

"Fanatic Materialist." Tips Space Fedora.

[@bilbolotr4620]

Starting as primitive, don't you mean a Paradox mega campaign

[@Tokugawa__]

Havent seen such a funny KZbinr in years :D

[@bonecrushergaming2183]

Man this is kind of feeling like starting as a pre warp civ in distant worlds

[@mazen6446]

“The ISS space station” so the international space station space station?

[@Ep3o]

It’s got a nice ring to it! XD

[@Phontoz]

@@Ep3o RIP in peace my dude

[@IshijimaKairo]

How humanity ACTUALLY would be in Stellaris: crime 100, 1 build slot, riots and civil war all through the game, poverty.

[@roblangada4516]

Depends on the group of humans. If everyone died in a fiery apocalypse but somehow only the Japanese managed to escape, our chances would be better than an average slice of humanity at large IMO.

[@ceiling_cat]

​@@roblangada4516weeb spotted

[@Heligoland360]

Humans are absolutely not fast breeders. We have a relatively long gestation period of 9 months (Blue Whales take 12 months, while rabbits take 1), we have a litter size of 1 (yes twins exist, but they are 1% of births), we take something like 12-16 years to reach sexual maturity (most animals take 1 or 2, elephants take 16), and we have far higher levels of death during childbirth than most animals. With the exception of freak outliers like the Greenland shark that takes 130 years to reach sexual maturity, we're actually on the slower end of breeding speed.

[@ricknufc1990]

Saw this mod a few years ago all ways thought it would grow into this

[@ssj2matt]

This makes me wish Paradox would make a prequel game that kind acts as an addon to Stellaris that lets you evolve your species from a Cell stage. Basically Spore, but all with Stellaris mechanics.

[@SHDUStudios]

We just need some alien mods for the other Paradox games and the ability to export your saves to Stellaris.

[@Aurelyn]

I've been waiting for this since the final frontiers mod in civ4

[@irontemplar6222]

How to play primitives in stellaris. Simple. Start the game, and then leave it running while you begin playing a game of Victoria 2 or hoi4. Pray you succeed before you get murdered. Return to game try to recover

[@demonx3779]

If npc primitives have to go through all this to get to a reasonable level of technology, I almost pity them whenever I abduct them and turn into g-fuel as machine empire. Almost.

[@thedavyjones7177]

It's almost like the mystery of discovery is the whole point of not listing the effects of each research/building lol

[@TheRockhound119]

You can do this in vanilla Distant Worlds 2. The default game starts you prewarp actually.

[@justv7536]

I found a human primitives as a devouring swarm and protected them, like a pet if you will

[@crowquette9278]

Now imagine a full DLC like that with plenty of event made by paradox and modded for more event xD

[@thekommunistkrusader3921]

4:44 Ah yes the ISSSS thank you

[@kaiserhhaie841]

The music around 14:30 confused me because thats also my ringtone

[@Ep3o]

Good ringtone song :)

[@tnzycrew7227]

This is gonna be great, plus after I finish my world domination as the uk in hoi4 I can do a supercampaign :)

[@Star_Commander_Nip_Nup]

me to any primitive on any 25+ size planets. you have been selected to join the empire, please don't resist.

[@jacobwooten7123]

I have been wanting to play as primitives for so long. Sort of as a challenge start.

[@NoCharName]

Whoever is playing as United Nations of Earth needs to git gud. Why aren't we tech rushing before the Crisis hits us?

[@The80sWolf_]

How to get back into this game? Any fun goals to have, any new dlc that makes you actually be able to FINISH a match? or something?

[@Ep3o]

Set your self some cool goals, an empire theme to play as, don’t min max and have fun with it!

[@fourmondnoah4013]

It’s a fact interesting some civilisation primite have juste 100 years late to have their chance in space

[@chattychatotchannel]

omg you should play that mod where there's ethics where you can be a conservationist and can't get rid of blockers! Found it! It's Ethics and Civics Classic

[@mremu4358]

The Imperium of MONKE will be Canon soon when I get this game

[@testales]

Ok, and now we only need a mod that recreates Aurora 4X in Stellaris. ;-)

[@havoc989]

Love it just needs the rest of the textures if I remember right and I hate crashing three hours in after getting tk space

[@comradecockatoo3558]

Wow, dude started playing Terra Invicta

[@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree]

Oooooh. This actually looks like grand fun! I'm actually gonna check it out and see what I can do with it lol

[@spritemon98]

Any good news?

[@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree]

@@spritemon98 I couldn't get it to work for my modlist :/

[@spritemon98]

@@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree damn that sucks ;-;

[@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree]

@@spritemon98 It's the stellaris experience, I'm afraid T_T

[@TheReaperGang]

I swear that music sounds like Warios DIY on DS lol either that or Mario Paint

[@Ep3o]

It’s Mario paint :)

[@arno_groenewald]

This gives me Rise to Power mod vibes.

[@gavinadams4572]

Stellaris is one of my favourite games now,started a few weeks ago.

[@NotZenith3198]

Ah yes the international space station space station

[@craigdoran7873]

I never got into stellaris but this makes it look alot more fun. Might play stellaris just for this mod.

[@grub833]

The mod is very broken atm so I would advise just playing the base game

[@jensemannolte8924]

This would be great in Multiplayer with some starting as primitives and some as normal Empires

[@Ep3o]

I feel like someone would get bullied

[@jensemannolte8924]

@@Ep3o Then it would be good to make some sort of Competition to decide who gets a normal Empire spawn and who will get bullied

[@Ep3o]

@@jensemannolte8924 whoever’s good plays as primitives, the noobier friends play as normal xD

[@jensemannolte8924]

@@Ep3o This time on Stellaris News: Good Day dear viewers and today we Look at how the Galaxy slowly crumbles away and descends Into Chaos as all the Leaders appear to make stupid decisions and Ruin their Economy the only smart Leaders left appear to be the ones on the primitives worlds countrys,get your Ticket to a xenophile primitive world now for only 50 Energy Credits

[@TheCarloCarlone]

Become the crisis and destroy the galaxy as a primitive

[@TheToma305]

NICE. Thanks bro!

[@sampfrost]

the authorities bit made me check this wasn’t back in 1._

[@dragonsflame3777]

having played this mod, the first district you should build is always the banker district, and the ISS is a waste of resources currently

[@ottovonstogey1495]

Shows Ewoks, but doesn't make Ewok Fanatic Purifiers with the battle cry Yub Yub and Die! ☹

[@Ep3o]

I’m sorry :(

[@lobsterbisque2025]

everytime I start this I am instantly destroyed.

[@A_Spec]

I gotta try this

[@Ep3o]

Dew it

[@dramaking9559]

Closes to this is playing hoi4 with the Martian invasion mod

[@umbra9472]

Is that… Sonic music? Nice.

[@whendarknessfalls6969]

I find it weird how I'm colonizing other systems, yet know very little things scientifically? Lol like how

[@jonsed90]

At the Start humanity seems about right apart from rapid breeding, if you compare us to other life forms it’s quite the opposite

[@smlgd]

So the idea of starting pre-FTL is actually pretty good, but this mod is just so over the top, it has so much stuff that wasn't necessary for that whatsoever, and it only makes it look like a bloated unfinished (unfinishable?) mess

[@JoseStalkin]

now we're playing on CK3

[@reddawn1873]

we decide to do independence day the xenos that invade earth

[@firekin5624]

The UI for all this micromanaging is a nightmare D:

[@Kaador]

The Mods Creator was inspired by Distant Worlds. I love Stellaris but Distant Worlds is much deeper.

[@ozzni1]

wondering, you made this playthtough very quickly after the new Stellaris update, and I doubt the dev(s) were able to bring it up to the current version that fast. maybe check you're in the correct version?

[@Ep3o]

This was played in 3.1.2 (the version listed on the workshop to play in)

[@Ridliman]

At least you could play I can't even start the game with that mod and it was a clean install. In fact, I reinstalled the game only to check this mod.

[@Regunes]

How are all those resources necessary tho...

[@Ep3o]

Player: What resources do we need? Mods: *everything*

[@craysheet3034]

Policy: Libertarianism Slavery: Allowed

[@lysixa]

This mod would be great if it was paired with a humans are space orcs mod. If only one existed. Both as playing as a advanced xeno race and playing as a human race

[@birisuandrei1551]

Title: "starting as primitives" . A few minutes in: launching the ISS into orbit. I've been lied to...

[@yttryff6159]

There are many age of primitives where's the Stone age primitive all the way up to the Internet age

[@philippey4918]

what version of stellaris do you use?

[@Ep3o]

I was using 3.1.2 as the mod specifically said to use that! Still didn't stop the crashes :(

[@philippey4918]

@@Ep3o it just say that i lost whenever i start a game in this version

[@greedowins]

Heh, didn't quite reach interstellar travel. Very close, entered the hyperlane, but I'd say this didn't quite get there.

[@src6339]

I think I got a more extreme version of this mod, that forces you to evolve your species from the primordial soup, through the various phases of biological development into the stone age, industrial era then early space age before finaly entering the galactic stage. 🤔 ...I might be thinking of spore. 😑

[@maestro-zq8gu]

Prosperous unification? Sounds optimistic.

[@billyd7628]

It just implys prosperity after a unification not that the unification was peaceful or consenting.

[@GamingMasterAnthony]

I’m guessing this mod is still in its early stages?

[@B3RyL]

Oh man, I miss designable transport ships. The good old days. BTW, maybe those research and building options are missing because you're lacking Garanthium Ore and Pitharan Dust? Just a thought ;)

[@supermikeikev]

Primitives need a small update tbh, especially the ability to stop a nuclear war from occuring

[@akaikiseki9346]

It is rough as it is. But the BEST take away from this is that Energy and Money are separate. I don't get why it isn't the case in the base game, it does not make any sense at all...

[@Drahnier123]

it makes some sense once you start thinking about trading economies, 'Money' needs to have something backing it in a galactic economy. Energy being the one thing that all variants of sapient life can make use of.

[@shrekeyes2410]

what he said

[@ceiling_cat]

​i​@@Drahnier123isn't that minerals? how are you going to trade energy? post car batteries? exchange waterfalls for sunbeams?

[@Alfha_Robby]

Except mineral isn't ideal as currency for modern monetary system though, since i can see how energy backed currency would become more prevalent since current USD is backed by Oil and Petroleum.

[@The-Muslim-Samurai]

I want this in the new update

[@Badgerinary]

Imagine being a space roman

[@Karthos1000]

Yeah, I came in wondering if I was gonna go download the mod and try it and came out hard noping on it. Once it has bug fixes and flavor text and balance fixes and all that, maybe.

[@generalgeorgewashington5300]

I am chad I free them, no strings attached, liberation and I share tech

[@nikolapetrovic4814]

I guess it's still in development, plenty of placeholders which don't do anything.

[@130_33]

Is this mod or another changing planet size?

[@Ep3o]

Only mod used was the new eras!