Starting the discussion on high elbow catch in a front quadrant stroke

[@matthewbarnett8203]

I'd say this is the most important video on KZbin for Total Immersion swimmers. I've watched this just before every single swim session in the last 7 months. This video keeps on "giving" as you progress, understand, and are capable of, the ideas that Dave shows you here. Brilliant stuff - thought I'd pipe up and give my thanks! Only wish you'd do more vids Dave. Get busy, mate!

[@valvelifter1951]

After struggling to get a high elbow catch for ages, I watched and absorbed this video. It made an almost instantaneous difference. It took so much effort and tension out of my stroke. Than you. Brilliant.

[@vik56in]

After watching this video, you actually realize that you can learn more about swimming from Dave than from any Olympian swimmer.

[@upndown68]

After watching this again a few times I just have to say kudos again. Having been brought up in the S-curve days and watched the Aussie EVF gain popularity I have yet to see anyone point out the intricacies as clearly and succinctly as you have. I am passing this on to a few folks in our Masters program who are struggling with catch mechanics. GREAT detail here.

[@leobohu]

Thank you thank you thank you! I have been watching swimming videos on youtube for 4 months. This very video, is the best video I have ever found. I listened to your advice and I got significant improvement today. I don't know how to thank you Dave! Carry on the good work and I will subscribe you and recommend you to my swimming buddies! Cheers!

[@mhakus]

I've watched this upload more times than I can count. Great stuff here -- especially when you mention that the lead arm is not the catalyst for the arm switch. That the pivot starts in the hip, moves to the obliques and ends with the shoulder moving the alternating arm into the water.

[@gunawantanudy6585]

Dave, thank you very much for this video, you really explain and show it well, now i really understand and how to do it.Again thanks Dave two thumbs up.

[@leesanghwa8175]

1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:01,660 OK, this is Dave here . 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,740 We talked a lot about patience in the stroke, about how to start implementing front quadrant timing. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Today, I do wanna talk a little about power side. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,260 And it's very important to this, today, to get a video demonstration. 5 00:00:12,260 --> 00:00:13,640 Because it's very different. 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,920 And it's hard to describe in words to get that kind of angles. 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,120 I'm assuming, in the stroke, they're gonna be building up front quadrant timing. 8 00:00:20,180 --> 00:00:24,620 that they lay out front so the shift of weight comes primarily from the drive of the hip. 9 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:27,820 so off of ricks(???) and the outside of the shift of weight off top. 10 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:29,200 That's the source of rotations. 11 00:00:29,260 --> 00:00:32,900 So I don't need to pull on this arm early, to make rotation happen. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,100 Now the other thing that's going to help true quadrant stroke. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,380 It's not just about how long wait out in front. 14 00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:42,960 it's also the stretch of the arm starting to come back. 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,640 As it comes up, it's important that it angles to find good propulsion, 16 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:52,380 that doesn't into the shoulder, that doesn't work on small muscles 17 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:57,819 So, that(??) high-elbow catch that we're working on is making sure, as you roll up 18 00:00:57,819 --> 00:01:01,359 but you work with an even perpendicular early in the cycle of the stroke, 19 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:04,540 we don't want to slowly pull back and find it on the way down. 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,420 As you're going through here, what we want to do is 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,980 (to) have a slight hinging motion when the rotation happens there. 22 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:14,980 This arm, the lead arm, is going to simply bend at the elbow. 23 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:18,060 And that does defend of the arm not being across the middle. 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,940 And that does defend of the elbow not being dropped onto that way. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Or else, you will drop through like that, and just pull on the hand. 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,440 To find that strong hook, what we wanna do 27 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:32,000 is keep, in the outside with a slight turn, the elbow, that 10 degree trick we've talked about before. 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,980 And we hit the right moment of the stroke, or going to drive from there and hinge on the first moment. 29 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:44,920 Setting up this true perpendicular. If fact you can't see my elbow right now, because it is perpendicular to the view. 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:53,320 When you get into that, the next challenge is that you are much stronger, closer into the body, than you are out at the hand. 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Have somebody hold back on you and push down through here, push down through here. 32 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:00,500 Because you're gonna have more access to so much more strength in here. 33 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:03,920 And it's close, it's closer in than net long lever out there. 34 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:09,960 We want to make sure that we manage this without dropping that ... ah....without dropping the elbow. 35 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:13,260 Because if I'm(??) stronger here, that will come back faster. 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,020 We wanna hold that perpendicular to get the most propulsion out of it all the time. 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,920 So once you putted in,(?? put them in) 38 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:24,600 focus on maintaining this perpendicular by how much pressure you can put into here. 39 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:29,020 Keep the fingertips relaxed a little bit. And don't cup it. 40 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:31,300 Because if you cup it, you're loosing some surface. 41 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:34,460 And if you put ultimate tension in there, it will curve back up. 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:40,280 So, hook it round(??) I'd like to think of it as fusing from elbow all the way up to knuckles. 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,560 And hit that anchoring position, to press it right through. 44 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:47,080 If this is done correctly, what you gonna find is, 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,860 it does create this like a curve to an observer of the stroke. 46 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:54,940 To the swimmer themselves, it should feel pretty much straight back. 47 00:02:55,260 --> 00:02:58,380 But you notice right now, to your view right now 48 00:02:58,380 --> 00:03:01,920 I got a narrow distance between my shoulders. 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,300 As I rotate, it widens, and then narrows. 50 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:07,020 So that's the top perpendicular(???) curve. 51 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:09,100 As I come through, and press, and release in the back, 52 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:10,480 ???? 53 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:14,300 That long gentle curve is the S that's been talked about. 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,820 But the swimmer should not be feeling it conscious wiggle in and out. 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,420 Unless, you're gonna really rip up the rotator cuff. Okay? 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,680 So there're main points on this. 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,860 Front quadrant timing provides the opportunity of this to happen. 58 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:28,120 It can't be done ???? 59 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:30,660 It can't be over the arm trying to get that twist in there. 60 00:03:30,660 --> 00:03:33,220 You're gonna wait until something else is rolling you off. 61 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,260 Once you're in there, you gotta manage it, 62 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:38,560 so that we can maintain that exact perpendicular surface, 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,680 by how much strength you got in there, not how much you can simply put through. 64 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,860 Or, you'll lose the grip. 65 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:45,120 You'll have an ineffective downward push. 66 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:47,600 And then, don't worry about the curve. 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,660 It will happen naturally on its own, if you time and rotation correctly. 68 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:55,800 Any curve you're doing is providing indirect tension in the wrong directions. 69 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:58,900 And you're going to do some naughty things to shoulder. 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,680 So, something is work(??) on a practice this week. Good luck!

[@mhakus]

Before pressing play I said to myself, 'Oh great, Louis C.K. is going to teach me how to do the high elbow catch.' After watching it, I am so happy that I did. Thank you much Mr. Cameron.

[@selboury]

Excellent technique thanks for the tip Dave!

[@bernym4047]

Thanks. Great, very clearly explained.

[@upndown68]

A buddy sent me this link who is just starting out and I have to say kudos to you Dave in breaking down the EVF nicely. Been in this crazy game for 32 years and have seen a lot of lame instruction, especially since the advent of KZbin. One thing I would caution anyone on having seen many shoulders blown up: achieving a perfectly vertical EVF is not necessary to be fast. In point of fact Michael Phelps comes nowhere near vertical.

[@matthewbarnett8203]

Also, at the 58sec mark, my cat gets very attentive!

[@contenttravellors]

Could you please tell me how this body rotation happens to form the catch. I believe this body rotation happens because of the flick of opposite foot. Is that so?

[@distancedaveswims]

The rotation comes from the weight shift-the high side arm and top body edge being drawn down, coupled with the hip drive. The flick is part of the hip drive- it's where the hip drives off an anchored position.

[@Rafael849910]

Louis CK knows his shit

[@haitaozhu9518]

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