T'pol convinces Archer to ask for help

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[@robertmandl9326]

"Another man would have been humiliated to say those words" - Q to Picard. Kinda fits here too, dont you think? Takes guts to admit when youre wrong and or need help.

[@regalecusglesne3022]

in my personal opinion is better to tell everyone to go fuck themselves rather than accept their help

[@wyattmann8157]

This show was so well written and well acted. It's early cancellation was a travesty.

[@StarInbound]

Unfortunately there wasn't enough interest in the show at the time. Sometimes TV shows and movies don't do always do well on their initial release, but instead gain a cult following and appreciation after their initial run.

[@PoeLemic]

Yes, a terrible tragedy. Just like what happened to Firefly. Fox is so stupid.

[@PoeLemic]

@@StarInbound Well, I kept trying to watch STE, but it was always on a different time slot. And, it was a long season arc, and I tried to watch but I didn't know the characters.

[@thehantavirus]

@@StarInbound and now we ended up having nutrek, which are garbage shows.

[@jgaffney567]

​@@StarInboundsee star Trek in general

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Vanik considers Humans to be arrogant and prideful? He should look in the mirror.

[@kennethdoucette4954]

Agreed 👍!!!

[@MerlynEmerald]

Isn't that right? Well, a Vulcan is also proud, I don't argue, but people are not angels either. Archer is so stubborn here in general...

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

@@MerlynEmerald When it comes to pride archer has nothing on the Vulcans.

[@aarondrake69]

I liked enterprise's portrayal of the Vulcans. Let's be honest, they'd be a pain in the ass in reality. They mean well but their worship of logic makes them extremely arrogant. Archers prejudice is always backed up. The Vulcans did hold humanity back. Whether or not their intentions were noble, I think enterprise shows quite clear they fear humanity like they did the andorians. Both humans and andorians are not shy with their emotions and trust their instincts as much as logic which confounded the Vulcans...including T'pol until she learned to respect what made humans special. I liked this portrayal of imperfect Vulcans learning to cope with species that might share their values in some ways, but also prioritize other values. You can see a glimmer of that here when T'pol says archer has free will. Free will isn't something Vulcans have. Their culture is to dictated by logic for free will.

[@aarondrake69]

Also archer is stubborn here because all he's heard is humanity isn't ready. So if he relinquishes, to him, he's proving the Vulcans right. And right now, not just archer, but all humanity wants to prove itself. He still humbles himself to a Vulcan in T'pol. And he at first stood up for the Vulcans on pajem until the andorians were proven right. And Let's not forget the federation waa primarily archers doing.

[@davea6314]

I like how this scene shows an early technology gap in the Star Trek timeline that humans overcome.

[@Altenarian]

Vulcans are still shown as technology more advanced throughout Star Trek, though the gap narrows. Even in discovery and the 32nd century, they mention Vulcans superior shield technology as protection when debating the anomaly.

[@mattia8327]

@@Altenarian doesnt the federation share technology. Every species is on the same level technically unless they have just joined, ij that case, it takes time before they are shown everything.

[@Altenarian]

@@mattia8327 In discovery that’s not the case, and while they do share technology they are still separate cultures.

[@vegancam]

Dat Vulcan gap

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@Altenarian disgracery is not canon to ETN/TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY dispite what cbs/paramount want you t believe, same wish Discard, Lower Drecks and Strange New Wokes.

[@spaceflight1019]

A true engineer, upon careful analysis of the available options, will always choose the best option regardless of personal biases or feelings.

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

"a man needs to know his limitations"

[@xxlCortez]

Kinda ironic that Vanik considers humans arrogant and prideful, acting exactly that way when he was invited over.

[@95DarkFire]

Vulcans and hypocrisy? Name a better combination.

[@Kygira]

It's interesting that despite those who hate on Archer he was reasonable,and willing to listen to T'pol's advise. I also believe that he realizes the wisdom in what she said,by not letting those who wanted to see humanity fail be proven right. It's why they both developed a deep trust,and a mutual friendship that was very much in the vein of Kirk and Spock. She even proved to him that despite those of her race that had some prejudices against humanity's ability to explore the galaxy responsibly,that she would have Enterprises mission be successful in what ever way she could be of help. It's why Archer trusted her even more than some of his own friends at time(Trip included). Was wonderful to watch them both develope over time. Too bad the writers focused on trying to sexualize T'pol so much,and put her in a relationship that really made no sense. Her actress deserved much better considering the respect she had for the role.

[@wight1984]

It works from a story-telling perspective, which is maybe all that counts... but I would have expected a captain of a starship to be able to sacrifice some pride to save a member of their crew without having to be talked into it... it's the obvious thing to have done in that situation. It's a big flaw with how the character of Archer is written that he has to continually learn lessons that should be obvious to someone of his rank. I agree that the character of Tpol was overly sexualised though, and it's a deep shame because she was the best character in the show (IMO). Enterprise spent way too much time trying to be edgy through weirdly sexualised scenes (and not just of Tpol). I think they were trying to differentiate themselves from what came before, but it just comes across as a bit juvenile.

[@eduardomaldonado1647]

If you watch Star Trek enough you will come to realize that that human Recklessness as the Vulcans call it actually made HUMANS develop faster than the Vulcans. Humans Can be Greedy like Ferengi, Violent like the Klingons, Logical like the Vulcans, The Vulcans were actually Afraid of how quickly humans advanced in such a short period of time. Humans surpassed the Vulcans in Technology in a few hundred years

[@wight1984]

@@eduardomaldonado1647 Seems lie a poor excuse for bad, prideful, and emotionally immature command decisions. If defined /very/ broadly, then a little bit of 'recklessness' is okay, but that's not a catch-all justification for all reckless/stupid behaviour. Also, the way that various writers may or may not have presented humanity across the many versions of the franchise doesn't really tell us how we should feel about any one depiction, which is ultimately going to based on a human reaction (i.e. in real life, we would hope and expect more from someone in a command position like Archer).

[@zillagrilla315]

@@wight1984 It's been a while since I watched ENT, but Archer was probably the first Starfleet Captain to go on a 5-year. This means he visits planets and species radically different from Humans or Vulcans, so he doesn't have the welcoming of different cultures mindset as other captains we see. Plus, the Vulcans did not share their technology with humans despite being allies, and their general arrogance or supposed arrogance really jaded Archer's views on aliens.

[@regalecusglesne3022]

blalock is a dumb eye candy with bolted tits. why else would she be casted as an emotionless drone? because she's a great actress? don't make me laugh

[@JM_Dealings]

We all know Reed is so Serious but he has a soft spot for building a snowmen LOL. Mayweather seems to always be getting injured but supposedly he's an experienced rock climber. Those two horse playing put the crew in a bad spot but Archer looks at T'Pol with the expression of I know you're right on more than one occasion. This is one of the reasons he and the crew trust her in the end. Also this builds a relationship that will overthrow the Vulcan High Command and help the species coexist for generations.

[@FrauIndian]

What is wrong with Reed playing around once in a while?? Do not be so harsh.

[@JM_Dealings]

@@FrauIndian Oh stop it. We all LOL when Reed Built a snowman. Nothing hrash about it.

[@retiredlawman4710]

T'Pol is HOT , HOT , HOT !

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@JM_Dealings TRIGGERED! Do you need to go to your safe space...

[@boqndimitrov8693]

t'pol - brains, and one more thing (if you understand me!). the compatriots knew we would need help, and Archer was smart enough to admit it,and ask her to stay on the ship. the mission of the Enterprise could have gone very badly without ours miss Universe!

[@myfavoritemartian1]

At the end, Trip said something to T'Pol, she gave him a cold you-are-right stare and asked to send a message to Vulcan. But Trip was smiling. What was that all about?

[@Salty_Balls]

He convinced her to send her mom a message. It was something like "Mother, I just wanted you to know I am fine on the human ship and it turns out I'm developing a taste for human pee pee. Big pee pee, makes Vulcan pee pee look small".

[@myfavoritemartian1]

@@Salty_Balls ROFLOL

[@Wraiths_and_Wreckage]

I think this is the ep T'Pol struggles with whether to go through with her arranged marriage. That's why the line 'free to choose ' is there.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

I'm not so sure her look was so cold towards him anymore. While T'Pol later decided to go along with marrying Koss, it was only to help her mother regain her job. She might have told Tril she had to do it for tradition, she didn't know her mother was going to join the Syrannites and lose her life. Koss divorced her because he knew she only married him for her mother's sake, but onve she was dead, saw no more reason to put up with T'Pol's fickleness, releasing her to choose Trip. He too was fed up with her and pushed her out, which is why she told Koss "you don't have to do this." He just said "I'm sorry" and left. Love the way she rolls her eyes.

[@351linzdoctor]

@@Salty_Balls 😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Eons381]

Just like the information about the tractor beam this comment is also classified

[@athrunzala6919]

She played him like a fiddle

[@Southernburrito]

Awe the sweet heavenly wisdoms of T’pol ✨💚🖖🏻💜✨

[@joeswanson733]

justs shows you far starfleet advances in just 100 years from archers nx-01 to kirks NCC-1701.

[@spiritualjoy721]

The Humans might have made many technology advances since Enterprise, but Kirk was every bit as impulsive, arrogant and ignorant regarding other species as Archer.

[@JrobAlmighty]

@@spiritualjoy721 yeah but we developed better tech by then and we were superior by the time Picard takes over. Listen Pam, you go back to Vulcan and tell 'em they forgot all about Deez.

[@patrickasplund]

In 1825, after the entirety of our species mastered the wagon and sail- Richard Trevithick created the first Locomotive. 73 years later the Wright brother made their first flight on the Kitty Hawk in 1903. 66 years later Niel Armstrong landed on the moon in 1969. 46 years after that, Elon Musk landed a falcon 9 rocket after a successful space launch, on Earth in 2015. I'd say we've seen bigger jumps in less than 100 years than Cool Spaceships getting even cooler 🙂

[@joeswanson733]

@@patrickasplund well that's a little different as we are talking different sciences and fields being created over time in this situation it would be like a model t compared to a 2010 sedan

[@alphanerd7221]

@@spiritualjoy721 So practically not at all.

[@EddieA907]

I must say I loved this series. Every part of it. People critical of it , just didn't get it. It wasn't meant to top any of the other trek shows.

[@normanred9212]

I think the only real thing wrong with the show is the Intro Theme and how it ended

[@lawrencedemaria8555]

Me, too. The suits who cancelled it were idiots.

[@ValiantWrestling]

@@normanred9212 No, it was the Temporal Cold War B.S. story that went nowhere for two seasons, Berman's perverted nature of having a woman in a tight fitting uniform and Braga's Obession with Time Travel episodes and this obesssion he has with the 20th Century, I remember he did the same in Voyager when he came aboard. Thankfully Seasons 3 and 4 got rid of alot of that nonense.

[@PoeLemic]

@@lawrencedemaria8555 Yeah, real big idiots. Just like how Firefly was cancelled. Fox execs are mega-idiots.

[@InFltSvc]

I miss this show. I think this was the last best series, after that it got out of control

[@living2ndchildhood598]

I agree. At least Strange New Worlds is promising…

[@ADayintheLifeoftheTw]

Lower decks is fun. You gotta go in realizing it's a bit tongue and cheek, but it becomes very clear that the people making it are absolutely fans of the franchise and treat all the old series with respect.

[@ConwayFreelanceDetective]

@@ADayintheLifeoftheTw Prodigy is good as well, if you can handle it being kid-orientated. It could easily become Star Trek's Clone Wars

[@virginiaconnor8350]

T'Pol's not about to sit back and make them look like fools. She knows the logical course of action and maybe she get them to change Vannick into a less cold Vulcan. But I think V'Lar could do a better job one day.

[@dougwells1959]

I always thought the NX01 was the 'baddest' (coolest) looking of all the ships. Still 'raw' in it's design and just passed the threshold of warp, phase weapons, etc. I would have liked to live in this part of the ST 'universe'.

[@humanbeing1985]

times when tv series were worth spending time

[@thisspacenotforrent]

Dominic Keating is a great actor, have seen him in a number of small roles outside of Enterprise including in Prison Break, just always felt he was the wrong choice for Star Trek Enterprise...

[@PoeLemic]

No, I thought he did great in STE. I really liked his character.

[@thisspacenotforrent]

A character can make or break a series...take Jeri Ryan...she made Voyageur a lot more popular...Jason Momoa for Stargate Atlantis ... Keating for me was not a good fit as a military leader and his character was not good either...not tough enough, he would have been better as an ensign (though Anthony Montgomery was awesome as the ensign in Enterprise so not over him)...Steven Bradford Culp would have been a better choice for the character of Reed IMO ... @@PoeLemic

[@ronaldbeck1762]

Seems like a LOT of gravity for a comet ... just saying.

[@Sage2000]

I never liked Archer very much and the way they showed Vulcans in this show, but this scene is perfect. T’pol did her job with intelligence, elegance and saved lives.

[@timtheskeptic1147]

I think the writers got Archer. This is, after all, pre-Federation Starfleet. Humanity is still in touch with its violent tendencies and the Vulcans are justified to have misgivings.

[@Sage2000]

@@timtheskeptic1147 My friend, that was the intent. But I think the actor screwed-up trying to emulate Kirk somehow. And Kirk was never actually like this.

[@0megacron]

@@Sage2000 Nah, Kirk was a totally different kind of arrogant. I think Bakula portrayed Archer pretty much like they intended - a stubborn, prideful, alpha-male astronaut type. The show wasn't just about the crew encountering racism against humans... it was also about Archer overcoming his own prejudices. I don't think they wanted him to be likeable. In fact, out of all of 'em, I think Sisko was the only captain who came across as likeable. As for the Vulcans, I agree - they took some serious missteps with the way Vulcan culture was portrayed in the show.

[@bme7491]

You're overthinking it people. It's a campy sci-fi show, not a Shakespearean play.

[@eiohnanananunu9871]

@@0megacron Agreed. Though every Captain shown, or at least the one's I've seen. Archer, Kirk, Picard, Janeway and Sisko did in one way or another save more than just Humanity. A trailblazer, a diplomat, an explorer, a guardian etc. They all have their serious flaws. But they also did the best they could in very extreme situations. Also weren't the Vulcans during this time being manipulated by Romulan inflitrators in the Vulcan High Command? The Vulcans themselves grew progressively better in the series in portrayal and as a species.

[@loudelk99]

Why would the tractor beam be classified?

[@nicholasmaude6906]

Probably because it has potential military uses.

[@loudelk99]

@@nicholasmaude6906 Even after over 100 years they don't trust us. Sad.

[@JM_Dealings]

The High Command in 2154 Was corrupt

[@nicholasmaude6906]

@@JM_Dealings I forgot about that.

[@kennethdoucette4954]

As Vulcan Is An Ally Of Our's Then & The Future, Captain Vanick Should Have For That Time Opened The Security Clearance For This&Welcomed The Terran Starfleet To This New Helpful Technology!!! This Would Have Gone Long & Solid To Bring Humanity Faster&Closer To Better Self Reliance!!! A Friendlier Logical Step !!! Afterall The Vulcans & Humans Were Very Close Allies Then As Well For All Times To Come !!! That's The True Thoughtful Logical Thing To Do !!! Live&Prosper Long 🖖!!!

[@zam6877]

I like this channel! It's like T'pol's view of: "all the ways I had to deal with these humans and keep them from being burnt, bit, and fish them out of canvases

[@vindik8or]

Remarkable how often they would paint themselves into a corner.

[@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046]

My favorite thing about this episode is that the Vulcan captain, Vanik, is played by the same actor who played Dan Fielding's derelict sidekick in Night Court lol.

[@SpectreTTM]

Was just going to look that up. I though it was him (Phil) but wasn't quite sure. I was hoping to see him do a cameo on the new night court but if I remember correctly they killed him off. There is always the twin brother way around that.🙂

[@Justanobody8472]

*GET THE GRAPPLER ONLINE*

[@safebox36]

One thing I never thought of before. But Enterprise doesn't have the best music. It has a killer opening theme, but most of the other music feels very generic. I liked almost everything else about the show, but the music is one of the more forgettable things for me.

[@SHONNER]

I like how she pilots the ship at the end of each of these vids.

[@denpenvon]

?

[@virginiaconnor8350]

He gave us the freedom to believe and follow Him; otherwise, we'd feel we were being forced and He didn't want to do as Satan did.

[@specialized29er86]

My favourite Star Trek series.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Yet, in the last episode, she tells Archer to indulge in some pride. I believe T'Pol's learnt quite a bit from the arrogant humans.

[@shahmask]

At the end, the T'Pol and pie scene, made my eyes water a bit. One of few times TV made me.

[@VektorLomonosov]

;) like! (#99;)

[@tomlichnofsky.7048]

🖖😎🖖 🎃🍊🎃🍁♈

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

not even a "thank you" from Archer.

[@Exiledk]

Prideful? Oh. You mean "proud".

[@ParagonRex]

So what you will, I was always convinced that the Vulcan's were just looking out for the best interest of the humans. The Vulcans guided humanity out of their Dark Age, I am sure they did not want to see us risk destroying ourselves by stumbling into an inter-galactic incident

[@mturynP]

I'm afraid I take writing Vulcans as bad guys is a symptom of not liking the values intended for "Star Trek" that much…I _try_ not to take it as a sign of general,cultural, rot…. (Klingons are likely just much more fun to write,and have more problems suitable for drama.)

[@spaceflight1019]

Not "inter-galactic" but "interstellar". Afaik "Andromeda" was the only show that had true inter-galactic travel.

[@GrandInfernoElite]

@@spaceflight1019 intragalatic would be more accurate. Intragalactic takes places within a galaxy. Interstellar takes place between star systems, but not within star systems.

[@spaceflight1019]

@@GrandInfernoElite I agree with you.

[@Columbariusify]

Why would shuttle be so heavy in space that they couldnt pull without tractor beam? I doubt that comet has so great gravity. Suckers!!

[@Timberwolf69]

There's still something called inertia. And the magnetic grappler has this issue being attached to a cable, which makes it inflexible, causing the shuttlepod to bounce off the walls, which causes even more issues for the grappler. And there was something covering the surface of the shuttlepod that hampered the effectiveness of the magnetic grappler. And a body large enough to sport a crevisse big enough to have a vehicle of the size (and weight) of a pickup truck sliding into it's depths (at least about 27 meters (that's about 88 feet)) should have a notable gravitaition. And under certain circumstances, it doesn't need much gravity to cause issues.

[@gerardcousineau3478]

Free volition the first institution of God.

[@rodanderson8490]

A comet would have such light gravity that retrieving the shuttle would not be a problem.

[@macmcleod1188]

Except the grappler relied on electro magnets that were being disabled by the comet.

[@CarolynAnneRescorl]

What episode is that scene from

[@MerlynEmerald]

"Breaking the ice". First season.

[@CarolynAnneRescorl]

@@MerlynEmerald thanks

[@jacktattis]

She is a traitor

[@albertosomoano7494]

T'pol exit

[@jdsim9173]

Captains like this are the problem. Too big of an ego.

[@attiepollard7847]

Not in this case at first. The Vulcan captain is a dick to humans for no reason.

[@gerardcousineau3478]

Arrogant and Prideful 🙂💕😊

[@fanstfs7661]

What startrek is this?..is it a new series?

[@thehantavirus]

its the last real star trek before jj and abrams and discovery.

[@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046]

Star Trek: Enterprise, 2001-2005

[@Sight-Beyond-Sight]

The fact Vulcan refused to share tractor beam technology, showed they were misers...

[@badboy-gn8fu]

would you give advance tech to a child race? if you did it would do more harm than good. history have shown that a society instantly transformed by advance tech can be disastrous. many star trek episodes from TNG and Voyager have explored what would likely happen countless times. vulcans not sharing tech is not a way of maintaining superiority over humans, they was simply looking out for them bc humans at this time aren't mature enough

[@normanred9212]

@@badboy-gn8fu Ah Star Trek, a show that refused to have our REAL technology involved and just how old we truly are. As much as I love Star Trek, they made humans the weakest when infact we are the strongest out of other beings hence why we are feared

[@AzguardMike]

early T'Pol was smug, condescending, arrogant and overall bitchy just for the sake of it. - What the Vulcans were like in general later T'Pol had emotional outbursts, swayed her hips awkwardly when standing still and got teary eyed in every other scene. Very human.

[@LordTalax]

Later on she was damaged by Trellium-d abuse. It helps to actually watch the show.

[@AzguardMike]

​@@LordTalax i actually did. It was also stated that she was going to be half romulan. Her father was going to be one. But the show was cancelled. It would of explained her emotional outbursts prior to the retcon of Trellium-d, which was only intorduced to cover for her terrible acting. "Oh no, Archer is standing up to me, im gonna pout and go glassy eyed like im about to cry" Her ROMULAN side showing through. Would of been a great reveal but alas, the show was cancelled. Even Future Man helping the Xindi, potentially an future Captain Archer, plot dropped because it was cancelled. So yes, i actually DID watch the show.

[@bryantcompton1642]

Maybe she was targeted by the deep state on the ship and after a little she was mind controlled which needed to happen to all the aliens on the "US" Enterprise.

[@Martin_Hermann]

T'Pol was out of line voicing her opinion in front of the crew.

[@spiritualjoy721]

Not as First Officer. How many times did Ricker do this on Next Generation? Every episode.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Interesting how T'Pol states that pride is not a suitable emotion here, but in the last episode of the 4th season, she tells him that pride is necessary at times. Seems our Vulcan First Officer is learning more about her human friends after all. Too bad, we didn't get to see more of her future due to the series being canceled and Trip supposedly killed off at the end. Why didn't Archer, Dr. Phlox, and Malcolm at least tell her what happened before the next speech when Archer gave her the note Trip gave him to give her? Didn't they trust her not to tell others?

[@hmmmmm6056]

Data would agree with you.

[@Martin_Hermann]

@@hmmmmm6056 And Admiral Cain would have shot her on the spot.

[@LordTalax]

@@spiritualjoy721 Ricker

[@Solocat1]

Vulcans remind me of the WEF or UN.. the help you don't need

[@poopmcgee2410]

That comet with earth gravity...