What No One Talks About

It's time to talk about ...the JEDI in Star Wars prequels
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[@muhamedquraishi]

Yoda explains pretty well in the end of the Revenge Of The Sith Novel how he failed the Jedi. Luke’s New Jedi Order is the best version of the Jedi.

[@priestesslucy3299]

His real one, yeah. BoBF Luke seems to be acting pretty prequel-ish 😢

[@diesel4lg]

They were so arrogant. That novel really revealed how selfish and manipulative they were.

[@swgraphics9059]

"Luke, you must kill Vader and his Emperor!" Yoda and Kenobi say to Luke...😂

[@vintifada7115]

They don’t say that. You imagined that

[@priestesslucy3299]

Kenobi does expect Luke to kill Vader. Yoda's only requirement is that Luke confront Vader

[@vintifada7115]

@@priestesslucy3299 If he needs to yes but he expects Luke to do the right thing. They don’t know what’s going to happen. Imagine if Vader kept fighting when Luke spared him….what should you do when you give someone a chance and they backstab you? Kenobi in ANH literally invented the “don’t kill him and you win” strat anyway

[@priestesslucy3299]

@@vintifada7115 That's exactly my point. Yoda is leaving the decision to Luke, rather than tell him what to do. Yoda is done leading the Jedi, he's passing the torch

[@vintifada7115]

@@priestesslucy3299 I’m saying Kenobi is in agreement he just puts it differently. Be prepared to kill him if you have to

[@views4rmthasix596]

When Yoda said “Fear, anger, hate, suffering.” He was actually seeing the how the jedi treatment of Anakin would end badly. The jedi organization as a whole displayed each of these to Anakin. The council 1st feared his potential, then his class mates were angry at his talent, next the council hated his relationship with palpatine(or padme too) & caused him suffering by refusing to help his loved ones.

[@vintifada7115]

Ok thanks for making shit up and exaggerating. I thought Jedi being close to politicians was a bad thing now it’s bad to criticize and scrutinize a relationship a Jedi has with the most powerful politician in the galaxy?

[@jordanmitten6705]

I love so much that you so primarily use Dooku as an example in this video. When you first see Attack of the Clones and the scene where he talks with Kenobi on Geonosis, you kind of get the feeling that he is being deceiving and has malicious intent in saying the things he does. But, as you gather the full story (like you mentioned in the Acolyte video and just gather this knowledge of the story over a long time as a fan), you can see that Dooku actually has good intentions in telling Kenobi about Sidious and speaking about Qui-Gon. Kenobi says that "Qui-Gon would never join" Dooku, but he would very likely be completely wrong. Had things gone differently and Qui-Gon never been killed, I'm not sure whether Dooku would have been so inclined to explore the Dark Side. I think the Jedi would have remained as blind as before to the Sith's presence, even if they had defeated Maul together, and Qui-Gon would have likely left the Order alongside Dooku. All theory, of course, but that's what this content is about! So appreciate the concepts you tackle and urge us to think and talk about!

[@SifuSmoFlatEarth]

Tales of the Jedi revealed that dooku could see through the Jedis short comings

[@user-op8nl3yr6l]

What made the sith so dangerous is that they told truth to an extent but only to further their own real evil and that’s why their manipulation was perfect it’d hard to manipulate but manipulating with truth and slightly different view point is easy when you’re someone like palps

[@poolhall9632]

"A certain point of view?!"

[@CorbCorbin]

⁠@@poolhall9632 “A certain, point of view…” Were you not a little aggravated when you see the title is “something they never talk about” but get a subject that everyone talks about, even as the movies were in theaters through to the hundreds, if not thousands of videos making reference to the a subject?

[@reverentalexanderchezeley-6367]

Yep Darth maul was absolutely stunned the way Obi-wan came at him, after Maul dropped qui con jinn. Maul went onto the backfoot and not deliberately either like earlier in the fight when he went on the back foot in luring both jedi towards the reacter shaft. You could see Maul was on the back foot when Obi wan cut maul's double bladed lightsaber in half, and he then kicked maul in the stomach hitting him to the ground, before maul flipped back up onto his feet with his now single blade red light saber. Thanks dude.

[@RuminatingStoner]

Being mindful of their duty as custodians of a shared existence and using the force with both individual agency and tempered adherence to that end is in my opinion, the role of Jedi.

[@roberthart2825]

The jedi lost their way, and couldn't see it,

[@Brass257venison]

Why I really like anakin and luke anakin was suppose to be that balance but luke ending up being what anakin couldn't, why I love the OT and PT they show the balance and conflict and at the end of the day we're human and how much emotion that goes behind our daily choices and the struggles it can bring to make a change glad you do what you do the deep detail and deep honesty, been a fan for a while now and the only sw content I even bother with

[@setokaiba3458]

Luke still brought Anakin to the place he was supposed to be. He “solves” the Jedi problem while also the Sith. Luke helps bring Anakin to balance

[@jargontb85]

I love how your views match with my own. I feel like the jedi ended up so dogmatic into the prequels because they, in a sense, feared the return of the sith. So there in denied and ignored any signs of their involvement and ultimately their appearance. Side note I would have loved to see some flash backs of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's early escapades.

[@randallsavage13]

It’s like the Jedi were afraid of themselves

[@stepabuv842]

The council wasn't destroyed because they were self-righteous or for neglecting to nurture Anakin. Those are true, but they were destroyed because Sidious was stronger. Also, Dooku wasn't following the will of the Force when he left. He was following his own will that lead him to the Sith. Other than that, excellent video! Love your commentary. The Jedi did fail. They lost their way. Overall, they were still good for the galaxy. Keep it up Theory.

[@priestesslucy3299]

Given proper development, in all likelihood Anakin would have already surpassed Sideous by that point. Bear in mind RotS Sideous is still a far, far cry from his prime in the OT. He is powerful, but Anakin and Yoda were not that far behind him. But the Jedi chose to dogmatically try to pace him like any other recruit rather than nurture him wholeheartedly

[@nwing07__]

Disagree, I think he nailed the point. Sidious is strong but so is Yoda which is why he was able to sense the betrayal last minute but unfortunately too little too late. The difference between them is that Sidious is a master manipulator allowing him to orchestrate the events using supreme mastery of the dark side (mostly Anakin) which led the Jedi to their own downfall. The Jedi set themselves up towards their downfall making it easy for Sidious... which is the key message of the video.

[@stepabuv842]

@@nwing07__ The Jedi had lost their way. They did become arrogant. Yoda did fail. All true. Not disagreeing with any of that. But there are many what ifs that show Anakin staying in the light if the Jedi nurtured him. The problem is that he killed children to save Padmé. Who kills one child to save his wife from a non-violent threat let alone many? Anakin was more than unstable. He was seriously sociopathic. Perhaps if Qui Gon had trained him it would've been different...maybe. But the Jedi can't be blamed for that. Anakin did not learn that from the Jedi.

[@rojaws1183]

As papa Palpatine said: ”Your arrogance blinds you master Yoda.”

[@mikeexits]

**smirks** Ironic.

[@toddnolastname4485]

And it was his own arrogance that led to his downfall. He couldn't imagine losing, especially to his own apprentice. He actually thought Luke would join him after killing his own father.

[@senateurpalpatine]

@@toddnolastname4485 I planned my death.

[@rojaws1183]

@@senateurpalpatine I take it everything is proceeding as you have forseen it?

[@vintifada7115]

Do you think Palpatine is a reliable narrator…?

[@trademarkjoe8879]

Merry Christmas happy holidays ! Despite Disney ruining the image of star wars thank you Theory for keeping what we love about this amazing universe alive thank you all !

[@user-eo3yk5ji4s]

Theory, great video! So cool to have a person talking about deep lore stuff! Just wanted to mention that flaws of the prequel Jedi were pictured in ROTS novelization in quite poetic way. It is shown that almost any Jedi had it's own attachment - Mace (the Republic), Anakin (of course), Obi-Wan (friendship with Anakin). The list has only one exception - Yoda. And Obi-Wan has left has attachment behind during the battle on Mustafar (see his thoughts during the battle). So, only these two Council members have really followed the Jedi way and survived Order 66. ROTS novelization is full of such deep moments, which is really facinating.

[@priestesslucy3299]

Yoda's attachment is the Jedi Order itself

[@user-eo3yk5ji4s]

@@priestesslucy3299 I agree, that's more accurate. I just remembered the excerpt from the ROTS novelization where Yoda was fighting Sidious and realising the whole scale of the Jedi defeat. He is described like a being who was "pure" enough to see the truth ("embodiment of the light" as it is written in the book - I have the Russian translated version, so the original may be a little different). But, yes, Yoda indeed had an attachment to the Jedi Order and the Code. And like Obi-Wan he left his attachment behind, as it is shown in his dialogue with Qui-Gon on Polis Massa.

[@amgj74]

Would that also explain how the Jedi didn't feel/notice when Palpatine uses the force, on Corouscant, to kill Darth Plagueis? Also, WHEN did they lose their way? What was the catalyst that moved them to such a dogmatic version of themselves? Could this be explained in the gap between Bane and Plagueis as part of the grand Sith plan?

[@lordfoul6259]

Okay I'll explain it when the jedi decided to build their temple on Coruscant they found an ancient sith shrine and in their stupidity arrogance or pride they chose to build the temple on top of it as a symbol of the light overcoming the darkness so sometime before the prequels Palpatine snuck down there found the shrine and used a ritual to slowly cloud the minds of the jedi with the power of the dark side that's why the jedi couldn't sense Palpatine was a sith as for the stuff from the Darth Plagueis book and the Bane trilogy unfortunately most of it is not canon anymore I mean Bane is canon thx to Clone Wars and the most we know about Plagueis is what Palpatine said in ROTS and the reason why he killed him in his sleep was to prevent Plagueis from using essence transfer to jump into another body

[@lordfoul6259]

And as for how the jedi became more dogmatic and political unfortunately I'm gonna have to blame Yoda when he became the grand master cause like Theory was saying in this video the High Republic jedi were more carefree more in touch with the people of the galaxy and they worked with the Senate and the chancellor not for them like the prequels

[@Chinachik]

Great video and I totally agree! I was just thinking the very thing you said here while watching The Phantom Menace a few days ago; how ObiWan's emotions definitely affected the way he full-on attacked and defeated Darth Maul after Qui-Gon was struck down. It was clear that his aim was no longer defense. He became the clear aggressor. Not saying it wasn't justified, but according to their teachings, how he reacted was not the Jedi way. IMO, the hypocrisy of the Jedi is one of the very reasons Palpatine was able to easily manipulate Anakin. I believe they were actually becoming somewhat corrupt but in grave denial of it, and that's why I respected Legends Luke so much. He wanted to not only rebuild the order, but restructure it in ways that were far more understanding and humane. Not to turn the Jedi into emotionless robots, but to allow emotions to guide them through their use of The Force. When I heard Luke say "It's time for the Jedi to end" in TLJ trailer, I was hoping as well that they would somewhat follow his Legends beliefs and maybe show flashbacks of him having kept communication with Force Ghost Anakin while he was training Rey as one of the new Jedi order. Unfortunately, we all know what really happened and this was yet another missed opportunity. But oh well....once again, good video, Theory.

[@claytonelofgren]

Just popped onto your channel for the first time in a while. Glad you have kept this channel up for a long time. Great work. When is the Obi Wan season 2 coming out?

[@adrianjames3815]

Merry Christmas SW Theory and May the force be with you 🤟

[@setokaiba3458]

Sifo Dias literally tells them “yo I have dreams of the future” and they’re like no no WHILE KNOWING VISIONS ARE REAL

[@wyattgerald9832]

They were pretty dogmatic and arrogant in the prequels they failed the galaxy and they failed Anakin.

[@TaintedPeter]

Anakin was just a baby bitch. Noone failed him he did 😊

[@deadeye5735]

Honestly i agree!

[@Leondrius]

Anakin failed the Jedi and the galaxy harder.

[@krizula1117]

@@Leondrius Said no one ever 😂

[@TheRealTruthMovement]

Anakin turned evil and destroyed the Jedi. He failed by making selfish decisions instead of his duty to the galaxy and order. He murdered his brothers and sisters as well as children so he can learn a power to save his secret wife from her fate according to his visions.

[@DanielTheCamel]

Really good video! You can tell you have really thought this through. I’ve never considered that Anakin might have been right to a current extent when he’s said that from my point of view the Jedi are evil.

[@anessamer]

Barris Offee caused an explosion at the Jedi Temple. When she stood before the council she explained the corruption of the Jedi. The Jedi were really corrupted because they didn’t trust Ahsoka and that that she was a murderer. They snatched the Padawan braid off her head. That is extreme corruption.

[@erikstanton5229]

Love your videos I feel like we can really have awesome conversations about Star Wars you always seem to make videos of stuff I think about😎👍❤️…thanks brother

[@BANANA42k]

Ive watched like 5 separate videos on this topic over the years. Quite a few people talk about it.

[@DamianHowardTV]

I know you've covered (or covering) it in this video but this was ultimately what made the Jedi become so dogmatic and set in their ways.. Before the Prequel era or in this case; The Phantom Menace.. The Jedi weren't quite so heavily involved in politics (as you stated; The Old Republic era), and I believe were a closer resemblance to Luke's Jedi Order (Legends) but as we approached The Phantom Menace, shortly before Chancellor Valorum sent Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan to the negotiate with the Viceroy ("You were right about one thing, Master. The negotiations were short."), there was a lot of political plotting, scheming and interference (the Audiobook "STAR WARS: Cloak of Deception" goes deeper into that). But it was Palpatine's plans and *his* scheming to become the Emperor and eradicate the Jedi Order as a whole, that began this descent into dogmatism and political investment for the Jedi. It truly shows how Palpatine was SUCH an evil genius, for what he was able to pull-off. But ultimately through the Clone Wars, the Jedi became so obsessed with stopping/winning the war, unaware that they'd been sucked into it by Palpatine. Even Mace Windu says to Palpatine, in Attack of the Clones "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers." and Palpatine's manipulations through politics and the escalation of the war, changed all of that for the Jedi in an instant. So they lost a lot of their core values and traits. By *becoming* soldiers and Generals on the battlefield, they were played, so much to the point that they were split and spread out across the galaxy so when their demise came, when Order 66 was initiated.. They were spread too thin to be able to communicate through the Force and use the Force, rendering them helpless against overwhelming odds. Again.. Genius plan by Palpatine.

[@Squiddy-go1du]

Obi wan used emotion during one of his fights with Maul during the clone wars and gained the upper hand. (It was when Maul began taunting him about his master.)

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

And is only one of many needless contradictions and retcons Clone Wars introduced.

[@Squiddy-go1du]

@@Lobsterwithinternet can blame Filoni for that. That was the idea of everyone’s lord and savior George Lucas.

[@shrapnelbmg6267]

Obiwan seemed to be more powerful when he goes after Maul but the Darkside corrupts and he became arrogant and lost his focus due to those emotions. That's why Maul was able to hit him with a simple force push. Adding on to what you say, I think the another key factor in the flaws of the Jedi Order was that they allowed the will of the Republic to supercede the Will of the Force. Legends explains this perfectly with the Ruusan Reformations where the Jedi allowed the new chancellor to place the Order under Senate oversight. By making themselves subservient to the Senate over the generations they esentially allowed corruption to grow, adopting a policy of acting only when called upon by the government rather than addressing issues from the bottom up, as true servants of the Force would. This plays perfectly into the Rule Of Two Sith who take advantage of the fact to successfully shift the balance of the Force, which was no longer being protected by the Jedi, whom had lost their way, becoming more and more dogmatic in their efforts to conform to the Ruusan Reformations.

[@mudbutt234]

Palpatine Forced pushed and flying over the chair is the funniest thing ever.

[@DarthVexar]

The Jedi definitely made mistakes and they were truly outplayed by Sidious, but they did not make Anakin fall to the dark side. The council played a part in Anakin’s fall, but he was the one making all the wrong choices for himself. If Anakin was stronger at one of the few vital moments things would have been much different I think.

[@vidphile1]

excellent point, theory! you show the evidence from the movies! and we all know about luke's close encounter with the dark side in episode VI. i'd never considered this before!

[@jasonvoorhees310]

This is such a great discussion topic. Awesome video

[@LocrianDorian]

In my opinion, this discussion is seriously the most interesting theme of the prequels, and also explored a lot in Knights of the Old Republic.

[@saiynoq6745]

That the Sith follow one of the scariest bad ass Sith Lords ever, it’s why they take the title Darth! Sadly Andeddu I think is legends but imagine Darth Sidious coming back like that in the last episode!

[@MartinTheWarriorr]

We need to understand difference between egoistic emotions and compassion As George said, there is Dark side, which is selfishness. And Light side, which is compassion Compassion is not a selfish emotion. Emotion is putting "myself" higher than anything else Compassion putting others higher than myself Jedi is more than egoistic emotions of "myselfness"

[@vintifada7115]

Yeah Jedi are the good guys and theory is wrong

[@barfyman-dm6zx]

Placing compassion over consequence is the most dangerous act of all

[@vintifada7115]

@@barfyman-dm6zx Lol. Lmao even

[@TM_Stone]

Next up: what fabric Jedi's robes were made out of.

[@MartinTheWarriorr]

You can't use devil's power to defeat devil. He will use you in that way and win Remember Tolkien. Don't use the Ring. Destroy it Luke really won the Dark Side not where he gave up to it and defeated Vader in battle. He won, where he refused to go down the road of anger and hatred, when he refused the Emperor. And won Jedi were right (Not in everything, but in motives, in philosophy)

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

But he didn't do it out of some stupid philosophy or adherence to any ideas. He did it because he loved and cared for his father and believed that there was some of his father left in the husk that was Vader.

[@MartinTheWarriorr]

@@Lobsterwithinternet love and compassion is not a stupid philosophy

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@MartinTheWarriorr But that's not what the Jedi teach or practice.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@MartinTheWarriorr And hence why Luke rejected what Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted to do and did everything in his power to redeem Anakin, even sacrificing his own life.

[@priestesslucy3299]

@@Lobsterwithinternet technically Yoda released expectations, trusting Luke to make his own decisions. He only requires Luke to confront Vader, he leaves what Luke does to the defeated Vader up to Luke

[@therepublicsfinest7391]

Yo SWT love your channel I’ve been watching it for 7 years

[@sarjxxx]

I felt the same way about TLJ. When I heard Luke say in the trailer "it's time for the Jedi to end", I thought for sure he was saying that in reference to the bureaucracy and narrow-mindedness of the Order prior. .... Unfortunately I was wrong

[@kellyoes2870]

Love Star Wars discussions like this! ❤

[@ginantsfan5]

Most awesome vid!!!!!!!! Merry Christmas my Jedi and Sith friends and may the force be with us all!!!!

[@ericbrown8974]

You have in the Jedi a warning take against institutionalization.

[@rector0455]

George Lucas was operating on levels that wouldn't even become apparent yet for decades to come, and many still even now cannot see.

[@macinvictus]

Completely agree. Even the Eastern philosophies that were the inspirations for the Jedi, talk about attachment not being stuff you like but following thoughts and feelings instead of acknowledging them and releasing them. It was never supposed to be utter denial of thoughts and/or feelings because they are a natural part of being a sentient being (seeing as a lot of races/species seem to be very human-like). Denying a natural part of your true being will cut you out from being able to truly feel and exist in a state of harmony with The Force. Sidious was right about the Order having power and wanting to keep it...the council especially. Their whole identities were wrapped in being the gatekeeping authoritarians of The Force and it corrupted them. Sith might fall in a Yang way to The Dark Side, the Jedi went a Yin way- dis-eased and passively, they turned from the actual, natural truth of The Force and turned the Order into just another authoritarian power machine.

[@vintifada7115]

They never said to deny your thoughts and feelings. They said and they do the exact opposite. Be mindful of your feelings. Watch the dark Yoda arc in TCW. The dark and “light” side are not yin and Yang. The dark is a drug and you are not balanced if you’re half full of drugs

[@macinvictus]

@@vintifada7115 Qui-Gonn spoke of mindfulness which would be awareness and not falling...Yoda and those who blindly followed him were completely fundamentalist about denial of feelings. I've seen TCW several times and regardless of what he went through in that...he hadn't truly embodied it- see his continued fundamentalism in Empire Strikes Back. Almost a quarter century of Internals study has taught me that both Yin and Yang can become dis-eased if not harmonized with the other...which was basically the point of this video and what Legends Luke learned too. The Clone Wars Jedi had the same impractical, ostensibly inhuman view of thoughts and feelings as myriad New Agers do today- all the love and light and only love and light people are veiling how much they're in denial over and that comes out in varied harmful ways. It's the same with that era of Jedi. Dooku has a whole speech about how corrupted the Jedi were in his book. If they were even remotely balanced, Qui-Gonn wouldn't have been such bad boy and Dooku never would've left...and Anakin would've gotten the legit help he actually needed early and often. Ahsoka wouldn't have been treated the way she was ("citizen") and their entire involvement in the Clone Wars would've been different.

[@saladinbob]

The Jedi belief in supressing emotion was the wrong approach, when doing so could result in a Jedi breaking down (See _I am not Spock_ by Leonard Nimoy). Emotions are neither negative nor positives,, it's what you do with them that's key. Anger at an injustice is just as likely to drive someone to correct that injustice as it is to take revenge upon the perpetrator of it. Similarly attachments can act as an anchor in someone's life, driving them to do better. The Jedi should have taught how to channel emotions positively rather than supressing them altogether. If said loved one was murdered that would lead to Anger but not necessarily the Dark Side as it could result in the partner bringing the perpetrator to justice.

[@LaraA55]

@Star Wars Theory A great presentation and I completely agree with your assessment of the Jedi in the Star Wars prequels. The Jedi Order certainly lost their way and really it is not human, and quite unnatural to deny one's emotions.

[@jacobholly2096]

Having emotions is what brought Anakin from the dark and back into the light. The Jedi council was wrong to tell him not too have emotions.

[@eds1942]

His emotional attachment brought him back. Kinda ironic. The prequels said that such was bad. The originals showed us how it can be good.

[@jacobholly2096]

@@eds1942 exactly

[@vintifada7115]

They never said that

[@vintifada7115]

⁠@@eds1942 His selfless love brought him back. His selfish “love” killed his wife. It’s not inconsistent

[@eds1942]

@@vintifada7115 Wrong. His lust for power and killing of the Youngling and all of that was why he nearly killed her. It’s literally in the dialogue. While, his jealousy, his yes, selfish unreasonable attachment to her is what helped to contribute to his fall. But the Jedi masters share some of that blame. He would not have needed to runoff to attempt to save his on his own if they didn’t forbid attachments. And he would not have felt that he needed to jealousy hide his marriage with Padme do to the same. Nor would his wife’s life been part of his reasoning for choosing Palpatine over Mace if Yoda had taken Anakin more seriously. That selfishness can be placed at their feet. And I wouldn’t say that his selfless love for his son is what brought him back to the light. Neither Lucas or Filoni said such. Instead they said that it was Luke’s selfless love for his father that led to Anakin’s return to the light. Here, the Anakin in Vader stayed consistent. It was parental to save his son from a mad man. It was his goal to overthrow him. And it was his chance to finally do right by his family, or his attachments, were as he had failed them in past, So true, there was no inconsistency. Most KZbins get this wrong. Theory nearly gets it right. But his idolization of Anakin (Vader) too often gets in the way. Instead, even recently with these the ‘Making of..’ books, he’ll read one thing, and then default back to making nonsensical excuses for Anakin’s decision to become Darth Vader, despite even the in movie dialogue. “It was all for Padme”. (as Anakin understood it, the Jedi had seemingly committed an act of treason, nearly unjustly executed the of the Republic and were responsible for prolonging the war) “His selflessness saved the galaxy”. (after dooming the galaxy and willfully spent half of life raining destruction, suffering, death and tyranny across the galaxy because he believed that it was his destiny to rule over it) But he still gets it better than most. Attachments isn’t the problem. It’s the unwillingness to lose someone or something to the point that would do anything to keep from loosing them/that, that can lead you to down the dark path. The inconsistency came from Lucas years later when he said that Jedi don’t don’t get married. That Jedi apparently can’t handle such things without turning to the Darkside. Meanwhile, he had them allow Ki-Adi Mundi be married, Obi-Wan to have a relationship. Sighed off on a story specifically about Luke getting married. And gave us to deferent takes on the subject; where with the originals, attachments lead to redemption, whereas in the prequels, they lead to failure, where the Jedi Order’s position on the subject (while willfully ignoring Anakin’s issues on it, in part led to the fall of the Republic, the near extinction of the Jedi and the Chosen One to became so evil that he doomed the galaxy.

[@Natsirt666]

Hey Theory, something i've been wondering, do you think Disney/Dave will have any references to Yoda (or his Species) (maybe as a padawan) in The Acolyte? Cos it's set 200 years before TPM so Yoda should be alive and in his prime. I almost feel that they'd try to capitalise on Baby Yoda and have some sort of tie-in or explanation that would feed in to any Mando/Thrawn plotlines.

[@GOREilla.]

Very very good analysis, and I totally agree. I think that somehow all of us feel like this too.

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

A small issue is, Darth Vader (Anakin) is an example of just that, use the force for good. Unfortunately, his ideas of good are not what they should be. This is one of the lessons in The Lord of the Rings: who is good enough to use such powers for only and all good purposes, and who can withstand the temptation to use it to fulfill their desires? It's technically possible, but I don't know how feasible it is. And multiple Jedi means multiple chances for it to go severely (cough, Anakin, cough) wrong.

[@Twin_solo_az]

Interesting that Mace, who walked the razors edge between light and dark and was so powerful for it, was also so dogmatic.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

He had to be. If you're not, you risk falling to the Dark Side like Mace’s master did in Legends.

[@mload45]

IIRC didn't he or the jedi think he was the 'chosen one' at some point? Probably why then.

[@vintifada7115]

@@mload45 No that’s made up. You can’t source it; it doesn’t exist

[@mload45]

@@vintifada7115 the source is my dreams

[@vintifada7115]

@@mload45 *inception main song plays*

[@jaieregilmore971]

The tale of the Jedi comic era and old republic Jedi are my favorite.

[@kylecripe1139]

I really enjoyed the video, a very thoughtful analysis of it. I do feel like if you went into the shows with a more open mind you might like some of them more

[@CadillacDeMille]

Well meaning imperfect people doing their best, learning from mistakes = Jedi. They did far more good than bad and people seem to be too harsh in their judgements of them, almost painting them as the bad guys.

[@vintifada7115]

Real. These same people will literally worship Qui Gon Jinn when he failed miserably

[@CATDRL2]

Makes you want to see a Prequel to the Prequels featuring Dooku and Qui-Gon (and young ObiWan) and see how the Jedi (from their perspective) under Yoda and Mac went downhill from the "Good" Jedi of the High Republic to the "Corrupt Jedi" of the republic.

[@repticare101]

bro the rebel moon watch party was lit 🔥

[@alwaysplotting2096]

"Abilities are not inherently good or evil. It's how you use them." Kyle Katarn

[@olekristian1284]

I need new Star Wars asap

[@LadyshipErin]

I agree with Theory on this. However, the Jedi weren't always this way. It would be interesting to see what changed them. One thing I want to know is, what had Yoda so scared that it made him so rigid and dogmatic?

[@Super1866]

Some really good points here

[@MaraJadeSkky]

Hey! You hit your goal of 10k on the other channel. Yay!

[@christianmino3753]

I don't want them to do anything with Luke. Not because I don't like Deep fakes, not because I don't want to see Luke in live action, not because I don't want him re cast, not because I think it will lose its magic, but they completely and utterly destroyed not only Luke's character, but also his legacy when Rey killed Palpatine. The only stories I would be interested in seeing disney make would have to be so far away from our main characters and story. Maybe Luke had a bunch of Jedi Padawan that got lost in a hyperspace accident and wound up deep AF in the unknown regions and instead of trying to make it back they start their own Jedi temple. Something like that or anything that happened before or even during the original two trilogies like rogue one and Andor. Anything Pre-prequels would be cool to see too, but pretty much anything after that they just keep destroying. Andor is actually pretty good, alone with rogue one, and I LOVED Rebels, but they just can't seem to get a grip on ANYTHING post ROJ. They ALMOST had it with Mando, but that shit went downhill QUICK.

[@TeamDaemon1980]

A great debate would be the best of Star Wars vs. MCU? I think SW wins in areas like story, villain, and music. While MCU has the more expansive characters and better action sequences. They're not just characters with lightsabers or fighting in spaceships. They're people with different superpowers or special abilities and it's interesting how each one uses them to win. I think The Empire Strikes Back is the best of the entire lot. As a film, it's better than MCU's Infinity War and Endgame or whatever you think is the best MCU film. But similar to Revenge of the Sith, Empire has dated quite a bit. ROTS is the more action-packed of all the SW movies but then I'm not sure it's exciting now as it was in 2005. It's harder to remain timeless being an action/adventure movie. The special effects become dated. Choreography, CGI, and cinematography improves every decade. What keeps them timeless are the characters, story, and definitely music. I think SW excels in all of that but it's also a very dated franchise when a new generation doesn't care so much for it like previous generations. How many movies until people started getting sick of MCU? Over 20+? Or when the endless TV series came out? While people got sick of SW by the Prequels which are the 4th through 6th major films. Then people barfed even more from Ep 8 and 9. Infinity War or The Empire Strikes Back? I think Infinity War is the cooler film to watch IF YOU ENJOY ACTION. The sequences are done much better. It was practically an all-out rumble. Even watching Hulk fight Thanos early was very cool. I do like Jedwerd's recent SW list ranking the best movies although I have Attack of the Clones and Solo in the bottom. Yes, lower than The Rise of Skywalker which is arguably the worst SW film. My top 5 is similar to his except I'd flip flop ROTJ and ANH at 3 & 4. ROTJ used to be my favorite SW movie before the Prequels and I had ANH last. But over the years, I've grown to appreciate A New Hope more. The first 5 are all great SW films. But what's surprisingly become my favorite SW project if I can include TV series has become Andor. It's the most mature writing SW has ever had. I initially hated it. I couldn't get passed the first episode twice! Once you get passed the second episode, it reaches a level I didn't expect it would. George Lucas always said SW was written for kids. For the 12-year-olds and younger. It's a great morality tale where he takes stories from different religions and cultural beliefs. But Andor isn't written for children. It's written for a crowd who are old enough to watch Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. My favorite IP of all-time remains Back to the Future. Will never be remade. Won't have any sequels. It's basically a dumb comedy with time travel. Among all 80s franchises, it's aged the best. It's aged better than Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters. It became timeless when most 80s films don't age as well. Look at Breakfast Club. I personally think it's overrated while BTTF gets replayed over and over. And you would think a movie when the main characters are set in 1985 would feel dated but it never does. It's one of those rare franchises you can rewatch over and over and never grow tired of it.

[@od651]

It's a cool allegory about organised religion in general. The Jedi way is like spirituality, the Jedi order is like dogmatic organised religion

[@BaileyM666]

Judging from the title and the thumbnail I was hoping this was going to be a quick discussion about how hot Palpatine is

[@mkhud50n]

The emotion of defending others is an ally of the Jedi.

[@OrangeHatReviews]

One point I disagree with you on is the "Malevolence behind the Clone Army". If you go by Filoni Taint, there was malevolence with the brain chips. However, the reason why the Jedi couldn't sense the deception of the clones was because there was none. They were simply following orders. This is explained in Episode 3. Also, Palpatine did believe he was achieving peace and was good. This is confirmed by GL in the Commentary for Episode 3. Other points, specifically Qui-Gon Jin following the Will of the Force and was the better Jedi because of it, I very much agree on.

[@eds1942]

Yep. An army of clones being produced in secret. Likely funded through new taxes which where threaten the stability of the outer regions of the Republic. Signed off on by a Jedi Master who either died or went missing under mysterious circumstances, and also by a Sith Lord. Based on and trained by a man who was a suspect in an attempted assassination of a Senator, which killed several people, and whose own government claims to be an outlaw. And then as soon as a production center for war droids is discovered, they are called into service for a preemptive strike which will be seen as an act of war. Which could easily divide the Republic, devastate worlds and result in the deaths and suffering of tens of trillions of people. And the Jedi were asked to lead that assault. Nothing even remotely sketchy about that.

[@user-bb1ti6ct7s]

So if you quickly summ it up, they were their own downfall.

[@Red_1911]

Yoda told Anakin with his 880 years of wisdom “train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose” That is the most terrible advice anyone can be given, especially someone who is clearly hiding something from the council and had an unorthodox upbringing within the Jedi order. He was a child slave and had to rely on his attachments to his mom and his mechanics to get by everyday and stay optimistic. I wonder if Palpatine was blinding the Jedi in particular when it came to Anakin and his emotions and how he had a wife who the second he got home pretty much embraced publicly. I’m guessing Yoda had a lot of self reflection on Dagobah to be the wise master he was in Ep 5 and 6 because he was kind of an idiot in the prequels.

[@cww4700]

I agree but on Dagobah he seemed to retain a bit of that attachment jargon when training Luke, discouraging him from leaving and helping his friends.

[@DeathScepter]

Well With Luke, staying on Dagobah and having more training would help his friends in the long run. Darth Vader and the empire are that dangerous

[@Red_1911]

@@DeathScepter that is something I’ve always disagreed with. I think Luke losing the Vader was ultimately a victory for the Jedi and rebellion as he learned the truth about Vader so then in Ep6 he isn’t trying to kill him, he’s trying to turn him back to the light. I really doubt Luke could kill the emperor in Ep6, only Vader could the way he did when he caught Palpatine off guard and threw him down the reactor shaft. It also gave Luke a lot of needed experience since the whole fight he was desperately trying to survive and fend Vader off and it wasn’t an actual duel. Then, when Luke returned, he didn’t even finish the training he had already learned everything there was to learn over the 3 years it took for them to rescue Han.

[@RoTenken]

Funny. He didn't look rejoiced when he felt Order 66 all over the galaxy. That being said, always critique the person, not the institution whenever possible. They fell cause as Bane said "Victory has defeated you". Complacent and then Corrupted cause of their own imperfections, they fell to a forgotten beast that weaved a trap that they were absolutely oblivious to until it was too late. That wasn't exclusive to the Jedi. Anybody can fall into it. We are seeing it now in the world.

[@obvious_owl7206]

Yoda’s advice is actually pretty sound, it’s just difficult. Telling Anakin and Luke to let go of those they care about doesn’t mean their relationships are unimportant, but when the time comes, we have to accept that certain things will be gone. Otherwise jealousy and anger kicks in, as it did for Anakin. Anakin couldn’t stand the idea of living without Padme, so he sought the dark side to prevent it. Luke wanted to save his friends, but without the completion of his training he ended up being the one who needed saved. He rushed in instead of letting go. Yoda’s advice isn’t bad in either circumstance, it’s just a difficult line of how much you can fight before accepting that something is out of your control.

[@TheEmpressPalpatine]

I think you nailed it. The Jedi went apostate much like the church today.

[@aurearatio]

This is one of things for I love grey jedi and Emperial Knight of SW Legends! 😍

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I think this highlights the problem the best: “Where was I, then? Oh. Oh, yes... Master Hortath. He was a kindly old Jedi who meant well, but the most near-sighted thing in the Core, I swear. He would walk into walls, knock over tables, mistake apprentices for rancor beasts... that sort of thing. And he was too proud to submit to proper treatment. Some used to counsel him and urged "Use the Force, Master Hortath. Allow the Force to see for you." But he refused to believe that his eyes were failing. He simply squinted more and more as the years went on, the other Jedi resignedly passing it off as the amusing quirk of a compassionate old man. So one day a young Padawan meets Master Hortath in the courtyard and, not knowing of his blindness, asks him for directions to the Council. Quite sure of himself, Hortath gave the lad directions... which happened to lead back outside and away from the enclave. The Padawan is confused, naturally. He asks if Master Hortath is sure, and of course Master Hortath says that he is. The Padawan suggests that perhaps he should ask someone else... but the proud Hortath now feels insulted. He tells the Padawan to take the route he prescribed and no other. Rather dejectedly, the Padawan did as he was told... and so ended up leaving the Jedi Order forever. It was decided that the boy's fate was to leave the Order anyway... though whether that was out of respect for Hortath or because the boy went on to something else, well, we'll never know. So I did. Master Hortath was a proud man.”

[@jeebbers5195]

I actually agree with this a lot. I grew up reading the legends books, playing the legends games, seeing Luke's view on the Jedi and the force and really did enjoy it a lot. When I watch the prequels, I LOVED Qui-Gon. I thought he was the shining example of a Jedi, and I think that's why I didn't really care for Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith that much, though Sith is still really good. The Jedi just...they felt like hollow versions of what they should be. Almost like they had been Flanderized. But, I hope we get to see more of that with Luke in the Felonivers. The Luke Jedi, not the Prequel.

[@priestesslucy3299]

BoBF Luke is Filoni Luke. Doesn't feel like _our_ Luke

[@trippyjosh6795]

ive thought about it this way

[@shawnwilcowski]

Fr luke became just as idiotically dogmatic despite his victory being BECAUSE HE WAS AGAINST THEM like what the actual f Disney

[@vengeance8924]

Dang. He is a Star Wars expert. I love this.

[@Jesus-Espinoza-Lara]

Very good video!

[@MrMikeG23]

Anakin did explain to Ashoka how the keepers of the peace turned into soldiers. changed everything

[@Darizzard93]

This deserves war more views & likes

[@Zan_Halford]

I want to expound on what it was that caught them into dogmatics. Was is before the war? Was is evidentially the seed of threat as Plagueis and Palpatine instilled? Was it lethargy? I don’t know… I call myself a fan.. but I don’t know this yet. It’s worth discussing. ❤

[@talostheking8529]

I watch all of your videos bro

[@datdarnotaku001]

Lol 1:18 "the Jedi started all wholesome like in the old republic the where not so rigid the where not so strict in there ways..."when the old republic Jedi proceeded to not help the republic when it was on the verge of collapse because they fear the darkness from beyond, and when the one Jedi (plus his friends) rallies up the younger generation Jedi willing to actually help the republic on the verge of collapse they proceeded to unwillingly help and condemn him and his alllies for his and there actions... And let's not forget the mind wiping technology on that charismatic leader turned villan and banishing a certain exile for aiding said hero turned villan and when said war hero saved the Jedi, killed his former friend and destroyed the star forge and they granted him the rank of master they still ostracized him due to his and his wife's views on love and compassion Yes very wholesome and less strict and rigid I say! 🤔😂🤣

[@wulucarlotta]

I think one of the worst mistakes they made was making Anakin become a Padawan of Obi-Wan, who still had much to learn before he could become a Jedi Master and teach the most powerful Jedi of all time, especially under the circumstances of said Jedi. It would've been much wiser for Anakin to have been trained by the likes of the selfless Plo Koon or the strict Mace Windu or obviously Qui-Gon Jinn, if he had not been killed by Darth Maul. It's like how George Lucas made Kathleen Kennedy the leader of Lucasfilm, thus handling Star Wars. Although we can never compare the likes of Kathleen Kennedy to Obi-Wan Kenobi, that's for sure.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Honestly, I would have had Anakin be taught by all the members of the Jedi Consul rather than just one. For a more well-balanced regime.

[@mugi-wharingan8150]

Well ya bro, but the only REASON Obi One taught him was BEKUZ Qui Gon was killed, ur statement made sense till the last part.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@mugi-wharingan8150 And the only reason Obi-Wan wanted to train Anakin was because Qui-Gon made him promise on his deathbed to train the boy.

[@mugi-wharingan8150]

@Lobsterwithinternet exactly, but seeing as Qui Gon was watching over them(force ghost style) I'd think at some point(like when Anakin rage killed a whole village of Tuskin Raiders, men women AND children)he mightve been like, "U know what this is starting to go awfully left" js

[@TripAces]

Was Qui Gon Jinn not permitted on the council??? 3:35........ or was he offered a seat and refused........ Episode 1 @StarWarsTheory

[@matthewjay660]

You're spitting truth.

[@gavinnathaniel8860]

Somehow I knew this video was always going to come from u. in a good way

[@rector0455]

"What no one talks about" Please, Theory... 🙄 You want a real hot-take? For being such a 'maverick' Jedi that only followed the will of the force, Qui-Gon sure seemed fully on board with acting like Valorum's personal enforcer to impose a resolution on an internal political dispute involving the taxation of trade routes between two supposedly equal members of the Republic. *"I'm told that the chancellor's ambassadors are with you now, and you've been commanded to reach a settlement."* - Queen Amidala Is that the will of the force? It wills the Jedi to intervene in the most mundane political infighting of the Republic?

[@greatoneek]

The Je'daii Order believed in this philosophy as they always believed that true balance require one to have both the Ashla and the Bogan . Also because of X-men first class, I am wonder if this philosophy might also be shown in other media and not mentioned much either (this is when professor x told magneto that he believes that true focus lies between rage and serenity which led to him being able to pull the submarine out of the ocean).

[@vintifada7115]

That story validates you can’t live between the light and dark. Choose one or it’ll choose you. The Je’daii fail lol

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

4:19 This is in the new EU, not Legends.

[@Starwarslegorob]

You should start reading comics and reviewing & dissecting those ! It could make for interesting content !!!!

[@Leondrius]

The Jedi were not angels, but Anakin was a literal demon. Also, it's funny that Dooku criticized the Jedi for being too political but joined the Sith, where Palpatine's whole plan was a political coup.

[@TheRealTruthMovement]

Exactly.

[@rector0455]

He wasn't a demon at all, just a misguided young man with more power than wisdom. It is a common failing, just made all the more severe due to his gifts.

[@Leondrius]

@@rector0455 He GAVE himself to the dark side willingly and served it for decades. The Devil(Palpatine) found his weakness and manipulated him, but ultimately, Anakin allowed it. Luke had the moral fortitude to reject the temptation of the dark side. No excuses. That single tear Anakin shed on Mustafar says he knows what he did but he still kept going. Not a demon? His eyes were literally glowing with hatred as he was trying to crawl his way over to his saber to kill his former master, but I guess he's all innocent and a "victim."

[@rector0455]

@@Leondrius I didn't claim he was innocent, your attempt to quote me is an erroneous strawman. I said he wasn't a demon, and there is a huge amount of territory between these two positions where Anakin landed. By your own standards, Anakin also ended the devil where literally no one else who attempted it could. Is there no redemption in that in your estimation? Are you even capable of considering how long Palpatine might've reigned, how much more suffering and 'evil' he could've brought upon the galaxy had Anakin not taken the path the did, including it's end? For all his virtue, Luke was unable to defeat the emperor. He was finished. It was Anakin who saved his son and the galaxy from further tyranny, though yes, he was also instrumental in bringing it about in the first place.

[@Leondrius]

@@rector0455 I wasn't quoting you since you didn't even say that, so your strawman claim is null. There are plenty of people who claim that Anakin was a victim, which he wasn't. It's them that I was quoting. After all the billions who were killed by the Empire, one single act did not redeem him. It's like saying after all the people Jeffrey Dahmer killed, him helping to take down the D.C. sniper would somehow redeem him. It depends on what definition of redeem you use, but if you're going by atonement, Anakin had far from atoned for his actions. Luke renounced the evil within himself, which is why he threw his lightsaber away. He was fortunate that what little part of the light that remained in Vader took hold for just that moment. But for decades before that, Vader was a spiritually wicked man killed women and children without hesitation and even killed his own men when they failed him. He was in direct service to the Devil archetype of Star Wars(Palpatine) which George Lucas himself said he was, so I'm having a hard time figuring out how he was unlike a demon.

[@dickmorningwood4689]

The problem, is that the Jedi were very set in their ways, and weren’t flexible enough to protect the Galaxy. The Sith had evolved over thousands of years which culminated in Palpatine’s rise. In a Galaxy so advanced, you would probably think they would teach evolution.

[@thegreypath1777]

Exactly!!!

[@KTH_EDITS]

Great video theory i subscribe you

[@KTH_EDITS]

I believe you are the real one

[@Killdoomrodar]

The Jedi do not use the force for personal gain anger leads to hate. Jin never used anger when he was using the force. I agree they should not be afraid to use the force but they also should not get in the way of the government to “save” a war. That is not their responsibility

[@mikeexits]

Get in the was

[@djetronakanorte]

i totally agree with you this is why id be more like Ashoka or Luke if i was a jedi

[@pleaced748]

That’s why I always say there was no good guys during that time. The Jedi were very corrupt

[@FrickinChickenReviews]

In the the Jedi’s defense, they had to deal with Anakin for 13 years. You gotta feel bad for Obi Wan when your apprentice only complains about sand.

[@yaboykris2118]

I see what you are saying…if a normal Jedi, who normally doesn’t give into their emotions, does every now and then (while fighting a Sith for example) they can become so powerful for a short period of time. But the Sith, who use emotions constantly, it makes them powerful, but not as powerful as somebody who doesn’t give into their emotions all the time. It’s kinda like a drug….

[@saymynameice-zen-berg511]

I’ve always seen the Jedi monk order, similar to the setup in Catholicism. In first century Christianity they were allowed to marry and have families but had to be balanced because being balanced with family responsibilities helped serve a higher purpose. In the 3rd or 4th century when Rome adopted Christianity as its official religion it fused the paganism of the empire with its version of Christianity. The adoption of human traditions and pagan teachings swallowed up the first century balanced setup. Not being allowed to marry and have attachments and other unreasonable traditions created an unbalance and contradictions.

[@Keatonpagani]

Do you think if Anakin was more direct and honest with the council (specifically Yoda who knew so much about the force) that they would have acted different?