States consider banning legacy admissions at universities, sparking debate

States across the country are considering banning legacy admissions at universities. This comes after the major Supreme Court decision to overturn affirmative action in admissions decisions last year. NBC News' Rehema Ellis speaks to students on both sides of the argument.
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[@malmal3003]

It's literally affirmative action for rich people.

[@justanotherwhitegirla7093]

Indeed, just look at George Bush. Junior not senior that is.

[@tw8464]

Ban "legacy admissions." Never should've been legal.

[@squalie9]

How can a private institutions choices not be legal?

[@ucsbgirlie18]

​@@squalie9 I agree. Private schools should be allowed to set their own admission standards as long as they're not taking federal money. Public schools should admit people based on grades and merit. If someone had a tough life, like growing up an orphan, then I get why a school can give them a bit of a break compared to a rich kid who had tutors, but I think they should otherwise treat everyone equally.

[@AshishShrivastava-q6i]

Legacy is the ultimate form of discrimination!

[@erwinl.8152]

No, it’s the ultimate form of paying the bills since legacy students write a check rather than begging for financial aid.

[@kimberlystokes663]

@@erwinl.8152 🤡🤡🤡

[@tomhenry897]

No DEI is

[@0bsmith0]

It is the worst by far.

[@skankhunt3624]

​@@tomhenry897that's exactly what this is.

[@BladeMasterz916]

Ban it! Let the world compete as fairly as we can.

[@ArizonaSquatch]

American colleges and universities are full of foreigners. A lot take spots from American students. They come here for the education, and usually leave. Most of the time, they don't pay for the education, it's all grants and subsides.

[@thewatchfuleye8401]

I am a minority! Give me everything for free!

[@lambertlum1087]

If you can excuse the bribery, the student body gets a new engineering lab or a new sports facility. Donations, i.e. bribery, is a good deal for everyone.

[@seanrobinson8676]

​@@thewatchfuleye8401you not a minority we don't think that way all we ask is to be fair

[@kimberlystokes663]

@@thewatchfuleye8401 🤡🤡🤡

[@imkrisyoung]

They should ban legacy admissions.

[@meahdahlgren6537]

Right

[@robertmarley8852]

Why? The legacy students parents DONATE MONEY TO THR UNIVERSITY what did you do ate ?

[@comtass3834]

@@robertmarley8852 Yes they "donated" more like bought an admission. Only benefits the rich not merit.

[@scholarssolutions6735]

@@robertmarley8852 yes emphasis on the parents. All the student did was be born to wealth.

[@Cristie452]

@@comtass3834 It keeps tuition down Einstein. If you couldn't make it work before, you surely wont be able to later

[@grisellimay]

The anger that people had for affirmative action should have always been directed at legacy admissions. You should always pay close attention when you’re told that a populous that is in the minority is affecting you more than those in the majority.

[@stevezelaznik5872]

We can hold two thoughts at once

[@dontmatter966]

Both are equally bad

[@grisellimay]

@@dontmatter966 not even remotely close

[@grisellimay]

@@stevezelaznik5872 you, like many others, have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Affirmative Action works out whom it benefited the most

[@SL-lz9jr]

@@dontmatter966I hope you aren’t a white woman because that’s the group that benefited most from affirmative action. You can Google this.

[@lindapindabelinda3570]

Good. Admissions should be entirely merit based. No free rides.

[@RyanBer-j4k]

So I guess you ignored the legacy admissions argument.

[@Gr8Incarnate]

You honestly think broke ppl that barely met the criteria to attend the college will be chosen over the kids of the wealthy that buy their way in?

[@starventure]

@@RyanBer-j4k She also doesn't know that Alumni, at least whites, are the biggest donor group to their Alma Maters. Which means if legacy admissions go away, less donations which means tuition goes up.

[@johnklaus9111]

There is a reason why purely merit based uni's don't exist and it's because no one wants to pay them anything. And no one will.

[@ant6578-rg4pq]

we don’t give af it’s unfair

[@Pou1gie1]

What's crazy is that for decades white women benefited from BOTH affirmative action and legacy admission which is why they became the largest group to go to college and graduate as well as ascend the ladder of success and opportunity. They did this all while catching NO flack from anyone because they did it all under the radar, while other groups got blamed for these practices. Don't forget, they are white (the largest legacy admission group) and women (considered a marginalized group)!

[@coinbowl]

That explains why colleges have SJWs who happen to be mainly white women

[@itsallminor6133]

Actually, yes. White women greatly benefited from affirmative actually. Along with others. But you nailed it

[@itsallminor6133]

​@@coinbowlyup

[@taylorgordon2570]

You 💯 % put the nail on the head my man 👍🏿👉🏿

[@coinbowl]

Time to go back to SAT/ACT scores

[@dtt114]

Ban legacy admissions. If you're talking about unfair advantage, this is 10x worst than affirmative action. Legacy admission is nothing more than buying a spot for your kid.

[@Cristie452]

If donations go down and tuition rises, how will you afford to attend?

[@erwinl.8152]

Ban student loans and financial aid. If you can’t pay cash or get a merit-based scholarship, too bad.

[@lambertlum1087]

Ah, but that buying a spot for a new kid is enough money for the new sports facility. Are you really going to deny the student body a new sports facility? It's a bribe, but it is a bribe to the entire student body. Simply look the other way, and your sports team will have a new facility to train NCAA swimmers for national competitions. You have to admit the deal is quite compelling.

[@SL-lz9jr]

@@Cristie452government should foot the bill. No more tax loopholes for the rich. Divert their “donations” back to them paying their fair share of “income taxes”. No more need for loans or scholarships. Anyone eligible to attend can attend.

[@marcusj9947]

@@Cristie452 So pay to play is fine as long as it's not affirmative action?

[@itsvictoroyedeji]

Oh NOW we're talking! Ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun...

[@Maybemaybexyz]

Because they really wanted to ban blacks and Latinos but only admit Asian

[@starventure]

The rabbit runs from the fox, straight into the jaws of the croc.

[@michaelwilliams8625]

Love this quote. Never seen it applied to college admissions. I'll trade you one: "Those who cast stones now hide from the storm."

[@aem870]

🤣 fact 🔫🐇

[@r01dtox15]

Think before giving a knee jerk reaction. What will be the future of HBCUs without Affirmative Action and Legacy Admission? 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@0bsmith0]

Legacy admissions is by far the worst discrimination.

[@newtiger007]

In any other sector “legacy” admissions would equate to nepotism.

[@BombshElle_7]

FACTS

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Nepotism is alive and well in the real world. To deny that is to live in ignorance.

[@davemathews7890]

DEI for the rich and powerful.

[@memesvondayz2818]

DEI for WHITE people, the only real DEI and they are mute about it.

[@erwinl.8152]

Are you new to this planet or just blissfully unaware that this is how life on earth has ALWAYS BEEN?

[@lambertlum1087]

No, you missed that part about donation. In exchange for enough funding for a new library, you merely have to grant acceptance to someone's son. That's a good deal.

[@tomhenry897]

Yet they can pay back the student loans Dei can’t

[@colberthunter12]

​@@lambertlum1087the majority of Americans don't think it's a good deal.

[@thadwuj668]

There's no debate to be had because there is no rational argument in favor of legacy admissions yet there are a few against. Most importantly, it actively keeps a certain tier of education (at least the reputation of one) accessible to people that otherwise do not deserve it.

[@lambertlum1087]

The rational argument is a new library or new sports facility. If a research university gets a state-of-the-art biomed lab, that's a good deal if you allow someone's son a spot in the freshman class. Donations benefit all students.

[@thadwuj668]

@lambertlum1087 campus upgrades only benefit students that attend the university and you're making bad assumptions about how universities spend that money. Also, a donation in exchange for admission is a different issue...

[@lambertlum1087]

@@thadwuj668 Donation in exchange for admission is the issue. That is what legacy admission is. You get a spot in the freshman class because daddy donated the new library that bears his name. There is only a handful of legacy admissions, and their families bring in millions that otherwise wouldn't be available to the university. Harvard gets $500 million. Nobody told you about the immense amounts of money involved because that would sway your opinion in the other direction.

[@thadwuj668]

@lambertlum1087 legacy admission just means a relationship to alumni, regardless of donations...

[@willythemailboy2]

@@thadwuj668 Correct. It's not simply buying admission.

[@artoffderidikulous3009]

I thought affirmative action in admissions was banned by the Supreme Court? One would think that legacy admissions would have been at the top of the chopping block, over race and ethnicity......Oh I forgot, this doesn't apply to upper and middle class majority white folk.

[@brendenhuerta21]

You have to also realize the racial make up of the Supreme Court.

[@d3r3kyasmar]

Universities dont like banning legacy admissions because it will cause donations to drop.

[@itsallminor6133]

Which will hurt all students

[@adrukova1407]

​@@itsallminor6133 Exactly. But some people can't see past skin color, even if it means everybody loses!

[@brendenhuerta21]

@@adrukova1407 then we all lose because we aren’t smart enough. Some people don’t like to compete on even playing fields

[@chrislisenby2681]

@@itsallminor6133 That is actually not totally true because these universities, both public and private, have massive endowments that are managed like a hedge fund.

[@itsallminor6133]

@@chrislisenby2681 oh so you want to take other people's money they already donated. Makes total sense. 🙄 Question: why can't anyone on the left ever leave things alone? Just go live and do whatever . Just go live.

[@jdleo18]

Some Legacy students are not qualified!

[@Marco32144]

Most!

[@Gr8Incarnate]

Most

[@devon9374]

Yup, luckily genetics don't work that way, just because your Dad is Einstein or Michael Jordan doesn't automatically make you great.

[@theviking2877]

Almost all

[@Wmuthoni]

Jared Kush er being one of them. He made barely the cut for Harvard but thanks to legacy admissions and a generous endowment from daddy he had doors open for him. It’s also said but I’m yet to confirm that similar situations made it similar for Bush jr. to get into Yale.

[@friedeswide]

They won’t do it. Because money talks.

[@starventure]

Who's money talks louder?

[@taurahelms3068]

Agreed. Legacies are at the top 1% and can write those checks quicker than any other method. Schools need that money.

[@themarsh10210]

Yes, get rid of legacy admissions.

[@Kevin51611]

What exactly are they teaching at Harvard and Yale that can't be learned else where? College has become a status symbol.

[@Jnoel608]

it really have, people complaining that they cant get into the best schools because of Affirmitive action. If the top tier schools are over crowded with talent it only means that second tier schools will become more competitive now. Nothing wrong with going to a second tier school.

[@eldritchbeauty]

It was never about that. It was about the prestigious connections the children of the wealthy could make, which would (again) put them ahead of everyone else.

[@hisroyalyeetness281]

As far as academic substance, there’s not much difference between Ivy League and a state university. The difference is that Ivy Leagues offer access to professional networks and connections that are associated with the alumni.

[@erwinl.8152]

A question clearly asked by someone who probably hasn’t read a book since they were assigned one in high school.

[@tomhenry897]

It’s the name and the fact only let in certain people

[@MattHudsonAtx]

Legacy admission IS affirmative action

[@itsallminor6133]

No it's not based on race , gender, etc

[@MattHudsonAtx]

@@itsallminor6133 so? It's still an irrelevant and non academic attribute used to justify admission over candidates who are actually qualified. If you favor merit based admission, you can't support legacy admission.

[@MattHudsonAtx]

Imagine telling the campus admissions office, "do you know who my dad is?"

[@itsallminor6133]

@@MattHudsonAtx yes by I support aristocracy and the class system

[@MattHudsonAtx]

@@itsallminor6133 sounds like a personal problem to me

[@ivangamez9773]

The most qualified students should be accepted into the colleges regardless of race.

[@DoggosintheHouse]

Legacy admissions Donation admissions Affirmative action .... and as long as we're on the subject: Athletic scholarships. Either colleges select students based on academic merit or they don't. Picking out one policy and saying that's unfair but all the other cheats are ok is irrational and intellectually dishonest.

[@ShenzenUzumaki]

👍👍

[@brendenhuerta21]

I didn’t hear anything about athletic scholarships until after AA was banned and they started talking about nixing legacy admissions. So you mad or you upset?

[@Helloworld0011-q2m]

Numbers should be reflective of merit not society. Who cares if its majority Asian as long as they were all evaluated equally

[@lukebarber9511]

Good! There should be a total elimination of anything other than academic ability; no more affirmative action, no more legacy admissions, no more admissions because they play a sport, no more admissions because someone in their family made a donation, just admission for the best and brightest!

[@radamest2]

"Legacy Admission" when you know your child can't measure up.

[@learnsteelguitarinretirement]

Get rid of sports scholarships while you are at it.

[@ST-rj8iu]

that is merit based and sports are big money

[@KennyakaTI]

​@ST-rj8iu nah it's not needed. A lot of those athletes don't even need to go to college. They are forced to. When they turn 18 they should be able to go to their sports league right away

[@ST-rj8iu]

@@KennyakaTI lol. No. the major sports leagues want to see who can make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB.

[@kindofbluenyc]

@@KennyakaTImost college athletes don’t go professional.

[@KennyakaTI]

@@kindofbluenyc I know. But most pro athletes had to go to college. I'm saying they don't need to

[@rycm]

Legacy admission needs to go

[@fam-a-lee7513]

End it all and have transparency, list all qualifications of every incoming student and let it play out.

[@freeguy3751]

I like the idea! Ban the preferential treatment. Just give Alumni's kids a 10% discount on tuition, (something impartial like that) but that's it. Essentially that discount does not affect the viability who is accepted into the college. Bring in only kids that earn their way in fairly.

[@charles9391]

In what world is a 10% discount not preferential treatment

[@thezu9250]

That’s still preferential treatment.

[@mmafyasco]

Bro, if you buy a car and they give you a 10% discount because your father used to own a car like that. You’re getting preferential treatment.

[@freeguy3751]

@@mmafyasco Well there has to be a reward for graduating! That's a very fair reward! Not preferential due to race or class or anything. Alumni benefits are essential for colleges to maintain loyalty to the school. That's totally fair. By the way, buying a car does not take much effort. Putting your heart and soul into 4 years of education is much different and deserves a reward of some type for graduates and their families.

[@willythemailboy2]

@@mmafyasco Many dealerships do that with cars. You can get a discount if you bought your previous car from that dealership. The point is, the legacy admission in this case would still need to compete with everyone else to get into the university to begin with. Any discussion of a discount is downstream of that decision, and frankly irrelevant if you think rich people are simply buying admissions.

[@philoctetes_wordsworth]

There should never, ever be legacy admissions. How does the work and accomplishments of a parent or sibling reflect upon another? There is no evidence that smart people necessarily have smart children, nor that stupid parents necessarily have stupid children. It is an evil system. I have 4 cousins who all matriculated and attended at UT, and neither of their parents held degrees of any kind. They got in on my uncle’s coattails. I have never, ever heard of all 4 children of a family getting into UT. As a child, I knew many children with the right grades, the right portfolio, and the money to pay, but were bumped for legacy admits.

[@thewatchfuleye8401]

""There is no evidence that smart people necessarily have smart children, nor that stupid parents necessarily have stupid children. "" Something tells me this is patently not true -- Just look at the blacks and other minorities from Africa and Middle East.

[@mike4523]

What about athletic recruits? College is a place of learning, not a gym or minor league training team. Do we really need all those spots for water polo, crew, squash, etc

[@Shannon-gr7rm]

Some schools are pretty much D league sports.

[@ArizonaSquatch]

Public education especially in high school needs to start teaching trades to the kids. Yes some do, but it should be done with local industry. Why do corporations get tax cuts, and also more tax breaks from bringing in foreign workers, when they refuse to invest in a nationwide of learners.

[@904TallerTim]

How is this any better than affirmative action? In my opinion it's significantly worse because the AA people usually came from a background where they're hard workers and not these guys who have a silver spoon in their mouth.

[@seensay2132]

AA was created as restorative justice in acknowledging the damage of accrued disadvantage done to Black Americans denied access. It NEVER should’ve been used as this DEI vehicle for anyone with a hard luck or discrimination angle in the name of diversifying the student body. Two completely different missions. The original was a debt owed.

[@memesvondayz2818]

Bingo.

[@sarahbaartmansrevenge]

exactly

[@starventure]

They turned into an eternal debt, though. And then cried when ppl found ways around it.

[@MattHudsonAtx]

As of black people were the only ones historically denied access?

[@Michael-ss7pc]

It was racist and was corrected. We need true justice due to the crime rate of the black community. Reparations are required.

[@DeenaMilkers]

good. legacy admissions and affirmative action both should go

[@ShenzenUzumaki]

👍👍👍

[@brendenhuerta21]

Affirmative action is gone boo, what are you talking about? Supreme Court struck it down a year ago. Stop derailing. We’re discussing getting rid of legacy admissions and unqualified yts.

[@kevinkelly1586]

Abolishing legacy admissions is totally agreeable to me, as long as affirmative action is also abolished.

[@mr.takethingstooseriously]

Affirmative action has been abolished for 2 years now 😂

[@FRAMEDSKATEKREW69]

I think we need to focus more on giving americans access to these schools before anyone not a citizen, I know schools take donations from foreign people to get their kids in Americans schools.

[@mewe9020]

Diversity is GOOD, but MERIT is the BEST. NBA or NFL have no diversity, but merit system is top class

[@Impozalla]

Legacy admissions should be eliminated from the school admissions process. It's unfair process for less financially equipped student.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

If you're going to end affirmative action, also end: * legacy admissions - great, your dad can write a check to the school. Why does that mean the child should get in before someone without a rich family again? * kids who get in because they can play a musical instrument. I don't care if you can play the oboe! * athletic scholarships - athletics should be completely removed from college, especially now that college kids can make money doing their sport. They're not student-athletes. They're pros who happen to be taking classes. In fact, we should make a computer decide who gets in. Just take everyone with the highest grades and weight each high school regarding how difficult their program is. Of course, this would all be dumb, but you can't just say, "Let's make sure black people don't get any consideration", then ignore the white kid who only got into Yale because his daddy wrote a $1 million check.

[@MattHudsonAtx]

That's exactly what I would expect an angry drop out to say

[@chiquita683]

Why would legacy ever be allowed?

[@Wongseifu548]

There is a logic behind the idea of the legacy students. What's the logic behind affirmative action is merit is consider a second to race...

[@stonx9682]

cuz legacy kids are filthy riccccchhh

[@slushymatis]

​@@Wongseifu548what? Lol

[@brendenhuerta21]

Legacy, like white supremacy, helps those who otherwise don’t have what it takes to make it on their own.

[@leon45sant]

End legacy. If you want to create that perfect world where merit is all that matters , legacy should have been removed first.

[@dionnegreenwood957]

The Asian folks got exactly what they wanted now they’re complaining about what they want make it makes sense

[@tiltedtexan1980]

Legacy admission is just a fancy spin on dei 😂 They should have seen this coming when they first started this particular culture war lol

[@sweetnaomi56]

If they can ban affirmative action, then they can also ban legacy admissions....

[@patty4349]

An A+ average at a "good" school (private, upper middle class public) is given more weight than the same average at urban or rural public school. The kids from the "good" schools also have greater access to help in preparing for and navigating the admissions process.

[@whimsicalhamster88]

College should be free and the idea that you should have so much as 1% greater chance of going there because you won the sperm and egg lottery is ridiculous. Also the idea of the “Ivy League” should be torn down like the French aristocracy. In such a terrifying way they don’t think about trying it again.

[@starventure]

So, who is going to pay those expensive professor salaries, eh? You?

[@whimsicalhamster88]

@@starventure Tell me you’ve never left the US or talked to anyone who lives in Western Europe without just saying that. Germans are way smarter than us and college there is free. They pay for it with taxes just like we pay for roads or public schools. Oh, and their teachers make a living wage and have job security.

[@tomhenry897]

You going to pay the higher tax for that free college

[@elokin300]

@@tomhenry897 Yeah

[@whimsicalhamster88]

@@tomhenry897 I already have to pay for public schools and I don’t have kids. I subsidize entire foreign wars I don’t want to pay for. Why not public education through college, something I might actually use?

[@joeysandoval9823]

If you're opposed to affirmative action, then I'd expect you should be opposed to legacy admissions.

[@brendenhuerta21]

But what if you are against AA, but like sucking yt peen?? I think this is the internal battle we’re seeing with Asians that have them MUTE on legacy admissions.

[@kbeats2001]

Probably wouldn't change much if they banned it. People can donate under the table for their child. People also fail to realize that these kids have also had resources while they were growing up and had good education that allowed them to get into these schools. Affirmative action was for students who didn't have the resources but who also qualified but would've otherwise gone unnoticed, allowing them the same opportunities as more fortunate and privileged students.

[@jking6736]

We need to reinstate affirmative action and legacy admissions should be kept especially for those from backgrounds who have been historically discriminated against

[@JohnDoe-pi2wg]

Private universities should be able to decide who they admit as they see fit. If someone doesn't like it, they can go to a different college. This is a slippery slope. What part of college admissions are they going to regulate next?

[@GamesFromSpace]

Then they would have to rely 100% on private funds, which some schools do but the big ones wouldn't want to. Want public funding, serve the entire public.

[@willythemailboy2]

@@GamesFromSpace If people are complaining about legacy admissions, it's always a private school. These are not state schools being discussed. Nobody gets a legacy admission to the University of (Insert State Name Here).

[@JohnDoe-pi2wg]

@@GamesFromSpace It's all a balancing act. Truth is most of these schools can probably "fix the glitch" if legacy admissions were banned by just switching their admissions policy from "need blind" to "need aware." The result would be the same number of rich kids being admitted for reasons other than academics, just less of them would have a familial relationship with the school.

[@brendenhuerta21]

Haha getting rid of AA to hurt the 6% of Black people at whatever college was good, but this talk of ending legacy admissions and having some have to compete fairly for the first time in their families history…now all of a sudden it’s a slippery slope LOL

[@jamesrawlins735]

My guess is in the next 20 years it won't matter - the high escalating cost of college will start to cause decline in enrollment - even highly rated universities will have to take a second look at who they accept.

[@cynthiaoconnor7185]

I didn't attend an Ivy League college but I did attend a private college. My maternal grandparents, two aunts and my mom all started there but didn't complete their educations. I attended the same college for 3 years then, after marriage, I transferred to another college in a different state and graduated. I got into college on my own merits and, once I graduated, my grandparents donated money (to the original college) to spruce up a dorm. I think they donated because I was the first in three generations to graduate. Bottom line, I was a "legacy" of sorts but not like this video.

[@EMC1986Hobi]

Yes ban them but be prepared to lose contributions and donations from their parents.

[@Fallen012332]

College should get no state funding and no federal funding, considering the cost of tuition

[@user-so9lu9eq8c]

Part of why tuition is so high is because they don't get much of that anymore

[@mariejane1567]

State schools should admit the students from the state and set a cap for out of state students. Let's start there....

[@Anthony-dy5cq]

Fair is fair if conservatives banned affirmative action then legacy admissions should be on the cutting block as well.

[@strongmermaid4651]

I'm not a conservative and I believe in merit based. What you're saying is blks aren't smart enough

[@DylanF.B]

Those Asian American students argued that Legacy Admissions was even worse than Affirmative Action. The Supreme Court dismissed that argument

[@squalie9]

Legacy admissions make sense. School is a social and cultural community

[@fixieroy]

Yes. Make legacy admissions Illegal. Any donation to a school should always be anonymous. And if you love that university so much i cant imagine why not having any influence through donations should change your mind. The school is so great right! Right?!

[@itsallminor6133]

That would hurt all students

[@dionnegreenwood957]

I am so glad all three of my children went to HBCU thank God for HBCU

[@IsaacMinkler]

It should be equality Everyone is treated the same, rich, poor, black, white, yellow, red.

[@ninjagirl226]

Honestly I wouldn’t want to get in because of my family. I want to earn it. Otherwise I am just going to struggle and fail, and how is that fair to anyone? We want to set students up to succeed not fail.

[@brendenhuerta21]

Your not just going to sturgeon and fail, like they said with AA, you’d be taking the spot of an actual qualified student.

[@alvincyt]

Sure, I'm all for it, just be ready for the consequence: Legacy admission exists because those alumnis donate big money to those colleges for their children to get in, banning legacy admission will also remove their incentive to donate, which also means less scholarships for talented students from poor families. So make a choice.

[@mr.takethingstooseriously]

No it’s also less money for just everyone. Maybe they will cut useless programs and actually just get the best of the best. A talented student will find their way to the top when all the garbage is moved out the way

[@TravelDaIslands]

Just a warning to everyone. You can't be for this, until it doesn't benefit you or your children. Just saying.

[@OS1540]

Of course colleges don't want to ban legacy. Where else will alumni endowment come from?

[@NathanLongacre-jo6cx]

Maybe. I think private universities should do what they want, but I think for state schools this is good.

[@luggagecombo12345]

It won't stop

[@drkneevil]

good. that should be everywhere

[@Ricocase]

Those pedigrees led to substantial real estate profits (+10x net worth), preferred loan rates, and corporate promotions. Affirmative inaction only reinstates original preference and spurs even more inequity.

[@r01dtox15]

Think before giving a knee jerk reaction. What will be the future of HBCUs without Affirmative Action and Legacy Admission? 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@mr.takethingstooseriously]

White people can apply to hbcu and get accepted, people go for cultural reasons not because it the only school then can go to

[@rogue1112002]

haha - result? Donations will drop through the floor.

[@Scarlet01812]

The universities have enough

[@slushymatis]

Sounds like somebody loves DEI for the rich 🤑

[@sagunsingh7415]

Oh, so now DEI is a bad word? 😂 ​@@slushymatis

[@slushymatis]

@@sagunsingh7415 Its not a bad word. DEI is a legitimate practice to help disadvantage communities achieve success. How im using it in the context of how Republican losers think of DEi . A way to describe UNDESERVING people getting an advantage in schools or the work places. By that the Republican definition, im correct 😉

[@Cristie452]

@@slushymatis Yet colleges, which are mostly liberal, have been scaling back on DEI year by year. DEI is inherently broken and does not aim to help communities, but instead check boxes. You have been brainwashed

[@soojd8132]

Majority of Legacy candidates don’t even get in the school they have legacy status in….. Legacy is not as big of a deal as it seems

[@soojd8132]

The legacy students that do get in have high GPA’s and Test Scores like everyone else that got in

[@Jackthestripper]

watch SCOTUS come down and say that states cant ban them.

[@user-mw5qx5xv1k]

It’s about time this issue is getting traction

[@severtone263]

I don't hear Consovoy McCarthy and Edward Blum making noise about legacy admission.

[@blizzred2143]

Legacy admissions is just another way of saying nepotism 😂😂😂

[@ihsuFM89]

Funny how a lot of these conservative grifter channels on this platform got angry over DEI and celebrated the elimination of affirmative action, but never made a peep about legacy admissions.

[@j.o6885]

Simple keep legacies so they pay for everyone else, but ban AA applicants also using legacy..it should be one or the other but not both.

[@GoMakeSomeSandwhich]

legacy and affirmative action are not fair. We should judge students based on their MERIT

[@samusami7439]

Also they need to get rid of looking at sports and extra curricular activities! You have to pay for those and some people cant affored it.

[@Meditations2024]

Get rid of DEI and affirmative action while you're at it. It's all discrimination without merit.

[@JohnDowd-r8t]

Well, shows you exactly what was happening for all these years

[@IOSALive]

NBC News, Your videos always make me happy, so I subscribed!

[@mistervo8185]

Who is actually defending legacy admissions? Certainly not us asian

[@brendenhuerta21]

But you also aren’t speaking on it like y’all did with AA. It makes it seem like you guys were lying, merit is merit sweetheart.

[@mistervo8185]

@brendenhuerta21 defending and not speaking on it isn't the same thing. Affirmative action served you really well....

[@brendenhuerta21]

@@mistervo8185 affirmative action is illegal and was struck down by the Supreme Court. You refugees are going to need a new talking point……..like legacy admissions…but you don’t want to talk about that huh. Same difference.

[@tracyclark7560]

this may not be a good idea upon reviewing creative work from A.I., or is it? Wondering.

[@AmaniLindsey]

Legacy is okay and for sure affirmative action is needed!

[@x-men69-96]

That young man favors Affirmative Action, but doesn’t want Legacy? Give me break. Everyone is equal. You work hard and let the best one win

[@JeffSmith-pl2pj]

Being black and a legacy, she was a lock to get in if she was a top student.

[@smallpeople172]

What they need to do is ban donations to schools, and make a law stating that a minimum of 90% of your tuition cost goes directly towards your specific classes and curriculum.

[@lambertlum1087]

Ban donations? Harvard gets $500 million. You can buy a lot of student resources with that money. Are you really going to turn away that much money?

[@dragonnuma9965]

So, they keep making it about race when gender is a major factor as well. Report the whole story.

[@gstrathmore194]

Does this include private universities, such as the Ivy Leagues or the Seven Sisters universities? Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Bryn Mawr, Smith ... Or on the West Coast universities like USC, the Clairmont Colleges, Chapman, ...

[@StealthisOptional714]

What is their justification for legacy admissions? I literally don't understand it

[@brendenhuerta21]

Justification? They aren’t good enough and need to buy their way in. It’s actually pretty sad.

[@lauren6509]

🗣️Ban it

[@ceczis]

meaningless window dressing...will do nothing for college costs, which is the real problem

[@michaelwilliams8625]

"Those who cast stones now hide from the storm."

[@TravelDaIslands]

I actually don't agree with affirmative action, and I believe your race, and ethnicity shouldn't even be an option on the application because they shouldn't be picking you because of that. I believe you will get diversity in the end if you just pick everyone based on the things that matter like gpa, activities, and things that don't have to do with how they look. God bless everyone.

[@frankvuong1080]

Honestly legacy admission screws up our colleges and future. Bush would not have made it into Harvard if it were for legacy admissions.

[@thedadlife247]

finally bann them asapppp

[@nerfherder6166]

Imagine two athletes are racing against each other and are within 0.1 seconds of a tie, but one of the athletes was forced to wear weights on their ankles. Affirmative action is calling the athlete with weights the winner. Legacy admissions is calling the one without weights the winner.

[@memesvondayz2818]

Yea

[@bobbun9630]

You left out the detail of who actually was ahead by 0.1 seconds. It matters, though I can't say I'm entirely convinced by this analogy even if you had included that detail.

[@lambertlum1087]

Why go with analogy when you can go straight to the example? A donor wishes to pay for a full Olympic-level track&field facility, thereby creating a 0.1 second training advantage. You only have to look the other way and allow someone's child a spot in the freshman class. A university would be foolish to turn down such deals.

[@brendenhuerta21]

@@lambertlum1087 I think “looking the other way” is the problem we have with AA for yts. Then they have to compete fairly, can’t handle it because they always had a handout, and it drives them crazy.