Steady State Fate SSF Zero Point Oscillator ZPO // unique thru zero FM & AM + morphing and more!

[@nutritionalyeast7978]

fade between tri and inverted sine is underrated, theres some sick 3rd harmonics that get pronounced inbetween especially with distortion

[@DivKid]

yeah with distortion pulling these things out it gets really lovely

[@nelasma8065]

Just wanted to tell you as well. I absofuckinglutely adore your videos and reviews! Yours and mylarmelordies reviews on modules helped me so much at deciding what I want for my workflow. You guys are doing amazing work for the modular community!!!

[@GeorgeLocke]

Here, here.

[@nickweathers1917]

Much prefer this to Joranalogue Generate 3. I like the G3 on paper but the sound didn’t capture me. No dis to Joranalogue, but this just sounds deeper, less buzzy/fuzzy on the fm, and more alive and warm if that means anything. This and Instruo CS-L and I’m set.

[@MUNRO13]

Bought this and repeatedly watching videos attempting to bend my mind around it!

[@NutritionalZero]

Muton quietly impressive there

[@DivKid]

Yeah a lovely thing, 8 VCAs that cascade the outputs (mix down to the next one that takes a jack out) with mutes. Good stuff.

[@YomYestreen]

"quietly" I see what you did there.

[@BasariStudios]

On my ZPO the SAW has no Kink or Cut in it. The Cut in this video is due to having Modulation plugged into the ZP Control Input, on the ZPO that happens when you plug something into ZP Control but otherwise they are all clean.

[@AliTheArchitect]

Aww yea been waiting on this one!

[@DivKid]

Yeah! Be nice to hear some squelchy tones underpinning some beats

[@PnPModular]

deep, this is a great sounding osc...

[@DivKid]

Yeah really nice sounds and lots of good options.

[@matthewpreston1396]

Wow, impressive stuff!

[@DivKid]

indeed

[@CO5MA]

Amazing module, review & brand!

[@DivKid]

cheers

[@ateb213]

Great one! Such an amazing module.

[@DivKid]

very well done by SSF

[@fessgrandiose]

ive had this module for a month now and havent quite mastered it yet, thanks for doing this vid.. and all your other vids!

[@DivKid]

Happy to help. Thanks!

[@sneakyfatcat]

Hmm. Maybe I don't need both kidneys

[@DivKid]

haha

[@cidst8]

Getting this and an NLC Plague of Demons from a trade. Super fucking excited!

[@DivKid]

Nice, there's so much cool NLC stuff I don't have much but enjoy what I've used so far.

[@greatlakestrader]

Just beautiful man! Thank you. Looking forward to a rack featuring 1 or 2 zpo. Can you please share how you sequenced the various things shown.

Great video!

[@DivKid]

Thanks.

[@GeorgeLocke]

@27:15 "even is like a saw-sine hybrid" it very likely is simply that. One octave up is the "second" harmonic (the first harmonic being the fundamental), and a saw wave has all harmonics, so a saw wave one octave up (here, the up saw) gives all harmonics of the second harmonic, ie all the even harmonics. Add a sine wave at the fundamental to this and you get the even wave. So, unless I'm quite mistaken, the even output is simply a mix of the up saw and the sine output.

[@DivKid]

mixing waves is a simple way of making new ones, both for users with a mixer module (they're so important and often so lacking in systems) or for the circuit design. So I'd imagine it is just a mix of them. Considering people often don't use utilities to mix things like this (not to judge or overly generalise) it's nice to present these things and then people can try them out.

[@JubileeGiggles]

Fuuuuuuck how did my little skiff turn into 4 rows at 104 hp? And why does that suddenly seem like not enough space? BECAUSE OF YOU!!!!!!!

[@twingems5332]

So cool and powerful. I can see this being easily used in pair with your lfo module. #^^

[@DivKid]

a pair with an ochd between ... now there's a thought!

[@twingems5332]

@@DivKid Even more cool. Two timbres modulated by the organic lfo might result in some another world like nice sounds. :-))

[@cornerliston]

Lovely piece but why are the pots so wobbly?

[@filipliekens351]

hey Ben, how does it compare to the joranalog osc? witch do you prefer? great work thanks for the very educative videos

[@DivKid]

Copied from a response above/below ... "Joranalogue Generate 3 offers phase modulation that this doesn't but the internal circuit for the thru zero bus is different. Both highly capable analogue oscillators but with different approaches. I can't see how you'd be unhappy with either, honesty both are fantastic. So I'd look at what they offer (waveforms, subs, different modulation options etc) and see what speaks to you the most. I'll have a Generate 3 video very soon which might help you decide."

[@bluename4]

how does the "intellijel rubicon 2" compare to the new "SSF ZPO" for FM synthesis?

[@DivKid]

Not tried the Rubicon 2 so I can't comment on that one.

[@ledgendairy3056]

Love it, But you need to re-calibrate that ZP mod

[@nectariosm]

What's with the noise at 9:56? Lots of clicks and pops as well at 10:24. User BasariStudios posted on muffs that: "Also keep in mind Divkid's video ZPO is actually not working the way it supposed to. It needs Calibration, the Waves are totally Asymmetrical and no, there is no KINK in the SAW or in the Waves, that is due to probably Ben forgetting the Modulation plugged into the ZP Control. But the VCO clearly is not working properly which also affects the Sound a lot." Is this the case and this VCO is noisy? Great demo as always and very nice VCO...minus the noise.

[@SteadyStateFate]

nektar Yes, unfortunately Ben’s ZPO was mis-calibrated. This is entirely my fault as at the time, an unknown faulty psu was used during the procedure. A grave circumstance and I take all the blame. As for the noise, could be the mis-calibration or perhaps clipping from the combined waveforms (greater amplitude). But I can assure you that the ZPO is absolutely not noisy.

[@nectariosm]

@@SteadyStateFate Thanks for clearing that up.

[@Oilpanicmusic]

This all turned into quite a stir over at muffs. Amusing, hopefully there is no blood on the flor at the end of that. We love you Andrew, keep on making these awesome modules.

[@domenicocaruso2153]

Thank you for the useful video! In your opinion, can the Zero Point Oscillator be compared to the Endorphin.es Furthrrrr (just watched your video about that one), or the latter is completely another beast?

[@strangemobius]

Well, furthurrr is a complex/dual osc, but... I have the same question!!

[@eriksmeets9254]

Question, do I need an extra osc to get these dark distorted sounds or can I use only this as only osc in a small system?

[@Oilpanicmusic]

I would def have a supporting oscillator with this. But that one can be basic.

[@bluename4]

someone knows how the "joranalogue generate 3" compares to the new "SSF ZPO" for FM synthesis?

[@DivKid]

Joranalogue Generate 3 offers phase modulation that this doesn't but the internal circuit for the thru zero bus is different. Both highly capable analogue oscillators but with different approaches. I can't see how you'd be unhappy with either, honesty both are fantastic. So I'd look at what they offer (waveforms, subs, different modulation options etc) and see what speaks to you the most. I'll have a Generate 3 video very soon which might help you decide.

[@777merkaba]

Pairing this VCO with Braids does it makes sense to you?

[@DivKid]

Yeah a nice pairing, plenty of modulation on them both. One digital, one analogue. Hard to pick out something specifically to pair though as lots of things will pair and work well.

[@777merkaba]

@@DivKid Thank you!

[@tacticalgrooveorbit2379]

hi there, if you had to choose between this one and Generate 3? what would you do?

[@mrotaveria]

only black panel?

[@DivKid]

at this point yeah

[@PspiralifeTutorials]

I got excited about this module after watching the overview. I went int store to try it out and that's when I realized it is not a Dual Oscillator! It has wave A and Wave B out, but only 1 pitch control! Can someone please tell what is the point of having separate outputs for both the Wave A & Wave B if you cant tune them independently?

[@SteadyStateFate]

1. the two wave scanners fade between pulse-saw-tri-sine. The morph control fades between to two scanners so you can mix any of those waves together, and anything in between. 2. you can achieve a pseudo stereo waveform output by using the two wave scanner outputs.

[@smashsystem]

I'm so torn between this, the Instruo Cs L or Trident.

[@DivKid]

They're all very different (well all high end analogue oscillators) this is a single oscillator with lots of waveform outs, unique approach to thru zero modulation with on board sub and unique PWM. Trident is 3 oscillators which "Zing" modulation. This is just sync and ring modulation which can be done on the others but it's massively convenient to have it on buttons and on board. Plus it's 3 VCOs! Additional symmetry modulation etc. Cs-L is Instruo's take on a "complex/dual oscillator" which are all based on Don Buchla's 259 design. This is highly expanded and offers lots of modulation through FM, ring mod, folding, subs etc. I understand it's hard to pick but I'd first narrow down how many oscillators you need and what approach you'd like to take.

[@smashsystem]

@@DivKid I know Ben, I know. Wish I could buy them all haha. So far I got Piston Honda mk3, DFAM plus a Dominion as soundsources. A complex oscillator is tempting but the Trident just seems to be pure bliss. Decisions decisions...

[@DivKid]

Tough choices, any of them would work well with what you have. Although I think the Cs-L might offer the most for you in terms of new tone shaping.

[@smashsystem]

@@DivKid Thanks for pushing me in the direction i was leaning to anyways. Every rig needs at least one complex osc, innit? ;)

[@FreeThink1984]

smashsystem I love my CS-l

[@DanielBeaulieu]

I'm considering adding one of these to my drum box. Would this make a solid oscillator for designing drum sounds? Or should I look for something else?

[@Oilpanicmusic]

SSF does make some dedicated modules for drum sounds. I have the entity and it is awesome and fast for creating my own samples quickly. But this unit is much more of a general oscillator, and would require other modules to make drum sounds.

[@catscanmeow]

Any idea how to calibrate it with the screws on the back?

[@DivKid]

what's up with yours that needs calibrating? The trimmer on the back (one of anyway) is the 1v/oct response.

[@catscanmeow]

@@DivKid sine is really asymmetrical. v/0ct response is a bit off, saw wave has a substantial kink in the middle, (bigger than the one in this vid, and not as a result of zero point control)

[@DivKid]

Hello, sounds like some errors on your module maybe ... or a strained power supply? Any other cases you can try it in? Or unplug some other modules to pull less power? ... otherwise I'd contact Andrew at SSF and I'm sure he'd look after you.

[@catscanmeow]

@@DivKid Thanks Divkid!

[@BasariStudios]

@@catscanmeow I can see that Divkids Module is not calibrated either, the SAW Wave has no Kink, unless you have plugged in some modulation into Zero Point Control, it should be clean otherwise. Also Divkids ZPO is out of Calibration, if you watch the plain Waves they are all Asymmetrical, none of mine look like this, the Sine and Triangle wave in here is totally what is not supposed to be.

[@vincentprimault4380]

I'm looking for the best 10HP max companion VCO for the ZPO. Any idea ?

[@carlahammond4305]

mangrove

[@GeorgeLocke]

Zephyr is precisely this (introduced after this comment was made) Edit: misread the OP. Zephyr is a scaled down ZPO at 10hp. The "best" for your application can only be known after understanding your application.

[@samuelyang1140]

Generate 3 or this?

[@vse7327]

The visitor

[@rdean150]

I'd have been all over this if they offered a silver faceplate. I'm still quite tempted. But I have to voice my objection to this industry wide shift in the only way that really matters: with my wallet. At least offer a silver replacement panel like Noise Engineering and Qu-bit do.

[@DivKid]

I like the black faceplate, but I do agree silver is nice also. I like the Stereo Dipole and Muton right next to the ZPO here so I imagine a silver panelled ZPO would look good to. Lots moving to all black and I'd prefer options to be available and for mixtures of panels in my system. I'm into the frankensynth look of it all so I aren't fussed for uniformity personally.

[@GeorgeLocke]

@33:40 "zed pe oh" is DivKid not a 'Merican?? I'm beginning to worry.

[@DivKid]

'Murica F' yeah! No I'm not, but I'll throw our a ZEE and ZED, keep people guessing. If the thick Yorkshire accent doesn't give it away :)

[@GeorgeLocke]

@@DivKid accent?

[@DivKid]

accent? As in my accent, the way I speak, would be the giveaway to where I'm from.

[@GeorgeLocke]

@@DivKid what accent? I'm not following. Was there a guest in this that I missed? Did you say something about Worcestershire sauce?

[@DivKid]

Hi George, I'm not sure what we're really talking about here. I thought you asked if I was not American (presuming I was) ... I'm not. I then said that I have a thick Yorkshire accent (dialect from I live, West Yorkshire, Bradford specifically) which I thought was obvious. You then question the accent, or my accent? That might not be obvious to some, all fair enough. But now I've no idea where we're going with this :) Worcestershire sauce, not had it in years a few drops on cheese on toast I remember as a nice thing though.

[@blindianajones]

Don't make this into a drinking game every time you hear "zero". Had to stop just under 6 minutes.

[@felixfelix9084]

mabey ask intellijel for the 911 ;)

[@mlp1776]

nothing special

[@DivKid]

nothing special? Can you find me something else that merges thru zero FM technology across linear and exponential responses and couples that with thru zero amplitude control?

[@mamakuproject]

Great sense of humour

[@Oilpanicmusic]

Good, maybe this thing will not be sold out. Yeah, I agree, this can all be done with a halfway decent laptop for next to nothing. Don’t buy it.