Steal Of A Deal! SHOTGUN TREASURE HUNT

[@stevenunyabidness]

High Standard has gotta be the most undervalued older manufacturer. The design, function and reliability always impress me.

[@cliffordbryant9658]

I have a J C Higgins model 20 and it's so smooth

[@BlitzTheEqualizer]

​@cliffordbryant9658 just bought my 3rd one, they never let me down. All pre 60s models too. Also got a 583.13 12ga bolt action

[@stephenland9361]

My 'steal of a deal' in shotguns is my Ithaca Model 37 in 12 gauge, made in the late 1940's that I purchased form my uncle. He barely used it and it is a genuine 'safe queen'. Beautifully made, decent walnut and still retaining about 90% of it's original blueing, it is a real beauty. He told me that he wanted to get his money out of it, so he offered it to me at his purchase price of $40. (No allowance for inflation!)

[@wjgrind]

The model 37 I used in Vietnam when I walked point, barrel was stamped Joliet Prison. How it ended up there is a mystery to me. Model 12 Winchester will slam fire as my 37 would, handy in combat.

[@whosthere2707]

In my opinion Ithaca is the best shotgun made my first was a 37 16ga and never jammed or failed to shoot now I have a collection of them and other brands but you definitely stole that from your uncle

[@mikemoore9757]

When I was a teenager, I was invited to go with one of my class mates down to his fathers hunting and fishing property. The mans name was Ernie Simmons ( maker of the Simmons ventilated ribs). He handed me a shotgun to shoot some clays. It was the first time I had ever fired a shotgun, and I held it loose just like I did when shooting my .22 and my air rifle. It was a model 12 Winchester and it smacked me pretty hard. I think my nose was sideways for a few minutes. Since then, I have owned many 12's and they are a very good gun. Thanks for the video and you stay safe.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good story Mike - made me smile - I got bashed around by a few guns too haha! Something about those 12's isn't there - I mean in terms of quality and memories.

[@Jesterlee995]

Hahahah that’s funny. Those shotguns will get ya if you’re not careful. I have an 1897 Winchester that I got from my grandfather. The bolt exits out of the back of the gun. It’ll snag the webbing between your index finger and thumb. My grandfather used to call this “the snakebite”. Never got me, but people who know will tell you.

[@dougwebster8868]

Have had Simmons ribs put on 2 model 12s. Excellent jobs on both. They didn't want to touch Dad's old heavy duck gun though, maybe it is one of the few model 12s ever worn out.

[@havnofear2764]

Good info on the Wichesters .... I have a 1927 model 12 with leather case ....not pristine condition ......bluing is thin and leather case is tough shape but ....it all still works ...I am from Canada and I wish for everyone to be doing well... we are very worried what is really going .... I think North America is in trouble as a whole ..................God Bless us all

[@d-drizzle]

Thanks my northern brother. I hope your alright and take it easy up there.

[@NYRM1974]

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[@AlexCausey]

I have had 2 model 12 Winchesters in the past. Back in the 64 - 67 I had one with a compensator very similar to the choke tube you talked about then in the 70's I bought a used WINCHESTER MODEL 12 FEATHERWEIGHT, MANF: 1960, 2 /34" CHAMBER, 30" BARREL FULL Choke that I kept up until 4 years ago. Model 12 Pumps are good guns. My left arm was having trouble working the pump from an old motorcycle accident, I had to keep the barrel pointed down to work the action then raise to shoot. I sold it and settled for a 12G Coach gun Double 12 single trigger.

[@pseudopetrus]

I always liked the Model 12, perhaps because of it's long history and use. Holding an old gun is like visiting an old farmstead with the old farm house and barns. You can't help but wonder about the lives of those who lived there on the farm; or used that old gun to put food on the table.

[@mqa1963]

i love the old blued steel and walnut shotguns . they are beautiful to me .. thanks for sharing.

[@harrisonmantooth3647]

My father bought a used J.C. Higgins Model 20 in the early 1960's. He bagged a lot of Upland game and Cottontail rabbits with that 12 GA. He had until about five years ago when it was stolen during a home invasion. As you said, it was a very smooth operating shotgun. Thanks for sharing your collection with us.

[@NYRM1974]

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[@wizardofahhhs759]

Why didn't he use the gun against the home invaders?

[@jimf1964]

This is one pissed off Canadian viewer, that was glad to see a new one from you. Some of us are starting to prepare the fight against this, so we'll see what happens, but this particular government has a proven record of doing what it's ideologically interested in, and not what people want, so we'll see. They have a minority government, so once the opposition gets off its butt and nominates a new leader, we can get to the bussiness of ending this "regime" and start over. Thanks for the video.

[@DrBreezeAir]

Very sorry but can you tell in a few words if possible what’s up with those new Canadian gun laws?

[@jaydee1532]

Jim F we got screwed by Trudeau, for us here in Quebec he is a Traitor

[@gregkerr725]

Good luck fighting that ruling.

[@frankwebster6082]

How can you fight an out of control idiot that pannicked? I guess we'll have to see the outcome of his stupid action he put upon us Law Abiding Canadian Gun Licensed Owners.

[@jimf1964]

Frank Webster he didn't .panic. This was a gift from whatever god or devil he supports. A shooting during a shutdown of the country? Couldn't have asked for a better time. Even the media isn't talking much, because they've learned the more they talk, the more chance we have to contradict.

[@williamrutledge7486]

Very enjoyable. I also like the old working mans shotguns from my youth. I have picked up several over the years. I think the eight dislikes as of this time are people like myself that know after people watch this the prices are going to go up. I paid one hundred twenty U.S. dollars for my model 20 this year out of a pawn shop. Not all pawn shops know guns. This pawn shop thought it was a twenty gauge and that the patent number was a serial number (pre serial #). I suppose I could have educated them but I was more interesting in getting a bargain and was haggling price it was originally marked at $150 which I thought was fair but a dollar saved etc. Glad to meet someone that likes the old guns this much. Warm regards from your newest subscriber!

[@c.j.rogers2422]

This is generally my favorite type of content from you, identifying unknown/undervalued/sleeper quality firearms of all types. This allows those of us with somewhat short pockets to enjoy some of the finer things in life, while possibly making sound investments at the same time. I'd rather have 10 high quality sleepers than 1 prestigious safe queen for the same investment. I'm not even a big fan of pump shotguns, never really have been, but you motivated me to go place a low bid on a beater (but mechanically sound) 20g Flite King! You can never have too many quality loaners for the next dove shoot! I was actually quite surprised how reasonably priced good condition examples of the same are. Thanks, and please keep uncovering these unpolished jewels for us.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you C.J! Glad you bid on the Flite King - such a favorite of mine - I appreciate your words of encouragement. All the best.

[@Johnat709]

I am a Winchester Owner/Fan/ Admirer/Follower. There is something about the look, feel, sound and performance of anything Pre 64 in the Winchester Family that's hard to beat ( I personally don't think you can ). Thank you for sharing your time, experiences, and knowledge about your part of the Gun World. John

[@darenleeper1644]

I agree. I have a bunch. My exception is the win 1200 20 gauge give it a try. I always go back to it because it is a shooter. Out of the 100s of pheasants I've took with it i can only recall 2 that i missed. Just a great upland gun.

[@aewhite84]

Tonight I finally came around to cleaning my grandfather's jc higgins m20. Passed down to me, it holds a lot of value. My other grandfather gave me his browning double auto which I've watched you talk highly of. A beautiful firearm and a joy to shoot. Love your channel.

[@timgiesin4025]

I purchased a jc Higgins m20 from a friend of mine and i love it my friend called it the Rifleman due to if you hold the trigger and rack it it will keep firing

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks for the memories. These are the types of shotguns I grew up with. Appreciate the time and effort you put into these presentations.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're most welcome Rich - those were the days my friend - I hear the song.

[@Grizzly406]

My JC M20 was made by high standard. It’s an excellent shotgun. Slick as Ice and it compliments my model 31 TC and both of my model 12’s. The model 20 needs to be bought if found.

[@thomasrape4616]

My favorite pump shotgun is the Ithaca 37, fine gun very reliable with a smooth action

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

The 37 is a diamond

[@jaydee1532]

I am in love with shotguns ♥️ so fun to shoot especially pump guns 😁

[@JefferyKlausch]

Jc higgins is an excellent shotgun. We had 3 model 20s in our deer hunting group an all 3 shot great accuracy foster slugs out at 100yds.

[@zh3401]

Months back I inquired about a stuck barrel retention knob on a Browning A5. I tried lubrication as suggested and even purchased a specialty tool from Brownells, a pliers with nylon jaws so as not to mar the steel. Nothing worked. I thought about the issue and what may be the constraint. The shotgun is in 99% excellent condition, no rust, no residue from oils or lubricants. I decided the issue may be one of environment. I placed the shotgun in an unused closet with a portable dehumidifier, set the device to run in a continuous mode and closed the door. Every day for the next 10 I opens the closet and emptied the condensate from the reservoir. At the end of the 10 day trial the humidity in the closet had been below 20% for a week (this is the southern US, outside humidity in summer are frequently >60%). I locked open the action, confirmed it was clear, compressed the barrel and the knob turned easily releasing the fore grip and barrel.

[@AlanSenzaki]

my dad had a Sears Roebuck JC Higgins model 20. A beautiful gun with nice blueing and walnut wood, plus choke tube. He used it for pheasant hunting in Minnesota in the fifties.

[@sonnygunz9207]

I have a 1946 model 12 that looks like it went through Korea and Vietnam and I still use it today out at the ranch or up in the hills. Maybe my grands kids can wear it out...

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's the way Sonny - they're just about indestructible.

[@johnsherman1296]

I have a JC Higgins 20, just the plain vanilla 12 gauge, full choke. My father bought it in the mid-1950's, and gave it to me decades ago. The little round front sight got knocked off in the flooded duck woods of south Louisiana over 50 years ago. It doesn't matter. Just point and shoot. It never hangs up, and you can pump it by just jacking it in the hand holding the stock. It is still my smoothest shotgun, by far. I grab the old JC Higgins every time, and leave the 1957 Browning Auto5 and the 1980's 870 pump at the house. Highly recommended, and I agree with you, 100%. I have never shot slugs or steel shot from it, however. Only lead game shot and buck shot.

[@moultonditcher6187]

Mossberg 400G,pre 500,is my go to 12 gauge.Made in canada when mossberg really built good guns.Almost all finish on stock and bluing is gone.Im 53,my dad gave it to me when i was a teenager.Killed everything with a heartbeat,what a great gun.Never,ever let me down,a true meat gun.

[@u.p.woodtick3296]

Love the model 12’s, I am lucky to have two handed down from my father. Great videos my friend

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Fantastic - he knew.

[@brianwinters2131]

There was a book written called abour 15 years ago called the Cowboy the Samuarai and the Mountie. It was about the difference inthe devolpment of firearms rights in the US Canada and Japan. It points out the differnce in the 3 countires.

[@martinwatters2729]

That's a good read BRIAN.

[@hquiller]

I own a few C&R shotguns, like Ithaca 37s in 12 and 16ga, Winchester Model 12s, Winchester 1897, Savage 820B, Savage 775A and Winchester Model 50. Only one with issues is the 820B. The others work as good as new. I prefer to use those old shotguns before the Remington 870s, Baikal and Silver Eagle I also have. The ones that I like more? Ithaca 37 in 16ga and Winchester Model 50 in 12ga.

[@johnpeschke9824]

It’s hard to beat the 16 gauge Ithaca as a field gun. It’s the perfect balance of light weight and knock-don power, and buit on a gauge-specific receiver, so it and the 16 gauge M12 Winchester( built on a 20 gauge receiver) actually do “carry like a 20 and hit like a 12”

[@Bullets4Bucks]

Great review as always respect you and your content.

[@garykappes4654]

My Dad had a JC Higgins model 20 with the power PAC choke tubes. He married my my November 26, 1958??? and the night before he put his car in a ditch with the shotgun in the car and along with damage to his arm the power Pac choke system was bent and he said it never shot the same since then. He traded it for a Mossberg 500 20 gauge. I was probably in Jr high when he traded off the JC Higgins. I bought a JC Higgins model 20 in like new condition a few years ago with three choke tubes. I have a couple of model 12 Winchesters too. I like the light weight model 12 the best.

[@aronbellanceau6624]

Its nice seeing a grownup evaluate the fine shotguns. Always feel silly having a 20 year old tell me what he thinks of a weapon. I have a model 25, it was my grandfathers then my dads now mine. Swear by it, most accurate shotgun ive ever owned.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Aron - wise words. I can't bring myself to sell my 25. God Bless you - not just for the guns. : )

[@peterpta]

You definetly hit the nail on the head for me again. Favourite gun channel on youtube! Old school working guns somehow are the most interesting to me by a long shot.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you peterpa! I appreciate your support!

[@lucky-rowe2623]

Great video. I love my Model 20 with the Powerpack chock.

[@thomcampbell9749]

i also have the JC Higgins model 20 12 guage it was my dads made in 1954 and to this day works and looks brand new and the slide works with just the push of the retractor never had a problem with any ammunition TC Campbell

[@TheIDPABob]

A note on the JC Higgins model 20 with the screw in choke tubes: I hunted birds a lot with that gun in the 70's and it did have issues with modern plastic wad field loads. The choke tube would cut a ring of plastic off of the wads and they would accumulate on the outside of the choke tube in the compensator. They were designed for the old school paper shells with card wads. Smoothest pump shotgun I have ever used. Taken many quail and dove over the years with it. It was my fathers gun and since then I have cut the choke tube holder off, added Truglow fiber optic rib mount front and rear ring sights and shot it in several 3 /2 gun competitions with it. It is a no disconnecter action so you can slam fire it almost with the speed of an auto.

[@martinfranke846]

I just bought a Winchester model 12, 16 ga, fixed modified choke. In used but beautiful shape. Serial number comes up at 1940 as production year. I got it for just a bit over $300; cant believe anyone would sell it for twice that much! I already have two "double hump" Stevens 520's, heavy but great guns, one in 16 ga one in 12. Still would like to get a good Winchester 1897 and an Ithaca Featherlight 37.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That 12 in 16 is a steal! Good on you. Hard to find 16s and prices are usually 3x that. The 520s are tanks for sure - but in the cold swamps feel right. Cheers.

[@tommyt8998]

I would like to buy a 16 or 20 gauge model 12. Problem is that most sellers overprice them. I regularly scan Gunbroker for one. Junkers are listed for Around $400. Decent ones are typically listed for $550 to $700. Too rich for my blood for a used pump gun. Most people must agree because the latter almost always have zero bids.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Tommy - I didn't realize that they had moved up so much. Model 12s used to be all over for 400. Maybe the 16s and 20s were soaked up and now the numbers out there are low. The Ithaca 16s and 20s are superb as well - I'm sure you know.

[@58efd]

Thanks for such a great review. I just bought a JC Higgins M-20 at a gunshow, dirty but butter smooth action. $200 OTD. I'm glad you picked my shotgun, wow, I was waiting for you to say, "what a pile of junk", but no, you gave it the best in show on your table. Thanks! I love watching your videos, keep up the great work!

[@guaporeturns9472]

In my opinion the smoothest pumping shotgun ever made. Love em.

[@johnpeschke9824]

I just found out about the Model 20, and was lucky enough to find one in “like new” condition. It really is like a 1/2 Remington 31, and 1/2 Winchester 25. The slick action is like the Remington 31, which was designed to compete with the M12, and was dubbed the “ball bearing action” It’s really just a side eject model 17 Remington, which was copied by Ithaca, to become the 37 Featherlight, which is probably the smoothest pumping gun in existence,

[@uralbob1]

I have an old Savage 720 (Auto-5 clone). It's a lovely gun, maybe not as lovely as a Browning, but still nice. It has a wonderful 1950"s patina! It has a few dings and spots where the bluing is a little worn, but I wouldn't change a thing about it.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I have the same gun - I'll make a video : )

[@philipdepalma4672]

Do you have a gunsmith you use? I recently bought one used (late 1939s manufacture) and want someone to look it over but can’t find a gunsmith in my area who is familiar with it.

[@uralbob1]

@@philipdepalma4672 No Philip. Every gunsmith these days are buried with work, it seems. My old gunsmith retired a few years ago.

[@PeterPArtyka-o5k]

Have the 720. Made in 1943 for the army. Has military markings. Cyl bore. Shot many a grouse and ringnecks Not many aroun likevthis.

[@paulsimmons5726]

Mike, you're correct about many "sleeper guns" that slip under the radar and seem to be underpriced compared to similar "popular" models. Indeed, it's hard to go wrong with good Ol' walnut and blue guns.

[@almorris171]

I have 3 Model 12s in 12, 16, and 20 gauge. The 12 and 16 were made in 1942. The 20 was made in 1938. All three look almost new in the box. The field grades can be had fairly cheap. However move up to higher grades and those guns become expensive as heck. Pigeon grades tend to go for $3000 and up when original and in 95% condition. Some of the engraved models are in the tens of thousands range. 28 gauges are rare and extremely expensive. The also made a Model 42 in 410 gauge. I have a field grade that I paid $900 for about 25 or more years ago.

[@tommissouri4871]

I have seen two separate Model 12 shotguns locally and they were priced at $900 and $1000. Both sold. I have two, a 1927 12 ga and a 1951 12 ga, from my Dad which I will never sell. I also have his JC Higgins Model 20 in 16 ga (around '51 or '52), which I used as a kid rabbit hunting frequently. It, too, will never be sold.

[@shawnwells5719]

I have a 1936 Model 12 that was given to me some years ago. Wonderfully built, but as you say, it isn't as smooth as my 870. I can see why Winchester stopped making the Model 12 and Model 70 - Remington beat them out with the less expensive but better performing Models 870 & 700.

[@robertshively960]

Sir; Thank you for the time and effort you put into your videos. I've learned much from them, and especially enjoy the " international " flavor of many of them. We here in the U.S. are sometimes insular and limited in our outlook on things, including firearms. While I do own several "black " rifles, my favorites are the blued steel and wood examples. The pride of my small collection is a Ruger No.1 in 416 Rigby, of all calibers ! That was purchased after your video of single shot rifles. Thank you for the inspiration.

[@Gundam42069]

Just picked up a 12Ga JC Higgins for $111 out the door. I'd like a model 12, but where I live, they are $450-$700 depending on the pawn or gun store. At those prices, you can get a nice new pump Shotgun! That's not to say the build quality & action of the Model 12, isn't to be admired, but one look on Gun Broker will tell you that the days of sub $300 Model 12's in pawn shops is over...

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great buys - looks aren't that important

[@outdoorfreedom9778]

I learned to shoot a shotgun in 1963 and it was a M-12. I ended up shooting nothing except Winchesters and Brownings and had a great collection of M-12s. I used my 32 inch Heavy Duck on the duck opener and the duck closer for years. I used an M-12 for skeet shooting too until money was on the line then I went to a Citori. That choke on the end is called a dog turd. They tend to be loud but they do work, even the cutts.

[@blackbirdpie217]

Nice video. I have a collector's grade JCH 20 been fired only half a dozen times, still have the original box.

[@donaldlamendola8294]

A beautiful collection of some well represented classic pump shotguns. I have a Model 12 and its variants 1200, 120 Ranger, and a Sears 200 Ted Williams. These shotguns are the smoothest running pumps I have. I agree the 870 is a classic build and a tank in the field, but I always go back to the 1200 or Model 12 because they are just rack like silk...smooth. Thank you for another excellent video!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Donald - My thoughts are the same - the 870 is undoubtedly excellent - but I return to the 12 or the Higgins or Ithaca - just something about those in the duck blind or field.

[@jakeoutdoors9600]

I have a JC Higgins with the 2 3/4 inch chamber. I love that gun its been hunted hard by my father and grandfather so the action is quite slick. It kicked like a mule when I was 12. I even bought 2 3/4 inch turkey shells in case I ever decide to take it turkey hunting. I also have a model 12 from my other grandfather, never shot it, I'm afraid of blowing it up. It was made in the nineteen teens and harvested a lot of game. That man only had 4 guns and every one had a purpose. Guess that's the old school way, I have quite a few firearms and a lot of them senseless. I can recall him telling me to sell them all and save one rifle, one shotgun, and one pistol, then Id have a "bunch of money". LOL, Great Depression thinking I guess.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great post and your grandfather was in principle correct; who could have known governments would print money at such a rate that inflation makes any "real" thing worth more and more...like guns; while money - buys less and less.

[@NYRM1974]

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[@johnpeschke9824]

Why would you be afraid of “blowing it up”? All M12s are nitro proofed at the same pressure as modern guns.

[@baitammo4652]

My grandfather had a model 12 in 410 nd one in 12ga. You know how some family members are, the model 12s disappeared after he passed. I can't complain he gave me several fine firearms when he was alive. It's aggravating fore the firearms that my uncle took ended up in a pawn shop somewhere. I would have gladly paid him for them. Great video, thanks

[@crankygunreviews]

I have been on a rip of buying vinatge shotguns lately. Model 1912, Model 17, Model 31, Ithaca 37, High standard K1200, JC Higgins 20, model 1200... Got some really good deals lately. The JC Higgins model 20 is probably the best value. The Ithaca 37 is the smoothest action IMO and great shotgun if you don't mind the bottom eject.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Those are all excellent and keep going up in value. The Higgins is an unsung hero - top level shotgun. The Ithaca is so excellent it's hard to describe - far, far better than newer, plasticky shotguns IMHO. Great finds and thanks for the note. Good shooting!

[@crankygunreviews]

I agree on both the JC Higgins 20 and the Ithaca 37- they are far above and beyond almost anything you can get today for smoothness and build quality. I have a Remington 870 Police Magnum which was a police trade in, and that and the Mossberg 590 are the only two I would put in a similar quality category, and even those the finish and smoothness of the action is not on par with the older guns. I am just glad some of these unsung hero's are popping up for cheap. I paid $200 for the JC Higgins, and $300 for the Ithaca- Most Ithaca's around me are $500-700 - I got a bargain! @@UnitedStatesOfGuns

[@agentorange3698]

I bought one of those power pack jc Higgins for $120 when I was 18 just beat to hell with a full choke I liked it but the pump kept coming off every 3rd shot so I sold it for $250

[@robbylock1741]

The J.C. Higgins Model 20 was actually manufactured by High Standard. I own two, one bought new by my father and they are among the few I will never part with.

[@paulmoss7940]

Good advice. Also don't sleep on the old High Standard Flite king pumps, a lot of old box store pumps were made by HS also. JC higgins, Mont. Ward,Western Auto,etc.

[@patrickslevin6424]

Model 12 Winchesters had not only a fine fit but a smell to them that I loved. 20 gauge nickel steel barrel model of 1912 was the first shotgun I had. The action was so worn it ran lickity split fast. I love those shotguns but it became so hard to get parts for them. I love Browning A-5's, all Benelli's, Franchi, Remington....should have said I love them all but it's the model 12 that brings back memories of hunting when I was a kid. Thanks so much for your video.

[@ShiftyBigmac]

Greetings from Australia, love your videos, keep it up :)

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks George - I can't wait to get back to the Lucky Country - your country.

[@jmichos]

USOG yep, you’ve got plenty of fans down here in Australia. Keep up the good work mate.

[@frankmarson2425]

2nd that

[@pseudopetrus]

@@jmichos Don't forget fans from Canada. We are going through a tough time here! The country is so divided since Trudeau took office. The worst of it is, that we are not proud anymore, Trudeau's identity politics presents traditional Canadians as not worthy... as he exploits the very wealth and security that traditional Canadians worked so hard to provide future generations! Democracy was the security for all the people in Canada, and that is so much at risk these days.

[@NYRM1974]

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[@CaptainRon956]

Last year I picked up a Winchester model 12 in 16 gauge with the fixed modified choke. 28” plain barrel field grade gun. Found it at my local pawn store for just under 4 Benjamin’s. It’s in great shape with bluing wear under the front of the receiver which is common for hunting guns. I’ve been using it for early dove season in September and then quail & rabbit in the fall. Great field gun, still is.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great buy - one of the best; made today it would be 2 thousand.

[@rcruz003]

Great video .... Very informative Thank You

[@thomasmoje5926]

Another relatively 'good buy' in used shotguns is the Winchester Model 1200..the post-1964 successor to the Model 12. I have one in 16 gauge that I picked up at our local Cabela's store a few years ago. It was primarily a 'sentimental purchase' because it is exactly like the one my Dad had and was the first shotgun I ever fired. My example is in exceptionally good condition nice wood with the original style pressed checkering and jewelled bolt..an earlier production example that still had a walnut stock..later Model 1200's seems like Winchester tried to cut costs by going to stained hardwood stock and eliminating 'frills' like the jewelled bolt. Everybody makes comparisons of the Model 12 with the Model 1200 I find the 1200 to be a very well made dependable shotgun.

[@avocado9763]

Very interesting Mike please do more on shotguns. I'm going to buy a JC Higgins if I can find it. Excellent

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Don - hope you find one - great shotgun.

[@avocado9763]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I just bought one from Gun Broker. High Standard Flite King Deluxe Model 121. Smooth as a babies bottom. Excellent quality and a great price. Browning, Beretta Benelli can't compare with this shotgun. Steel and Wood no plastic, and no Aluminum. Thank you.

[@avocado9763]

Is there a semi auto shotgun made in the early days say 50 years ago with the quality and fair price like a J.C Higgins or High Standard Flite King ? Thanks again Mike.

[@avocado9763]

Forgot to mention paid $247.00 for the High Standard great condition.

[@NYRM1974]

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[@lancestevens9624]

As to the flight King, Sears never "manufactured" firearms. Instead other manufacturers made firearms for Sears and were branded with the Sears or JC Higgins name. The Sears model 20 is in fact a rebranded High Standard Flight King. Other manufacturers who made firearms for Sears include Stevens, Marlin, Winchester and others. I have a lever action .22 that's branded Sears that was manufactured by Winchester. So if your looking for a great inexpensive shooter (although some collectors do hunt down Sears/higgins) your getting a quality firearm for a steal simply because Sears doesn't command the prices as say a Winchester or High Standard even though in reality they're the exact same firearm.

[@georgemcmillan9172]

I've owned my J.C.Higgins single shot 20 gauge for 36 years now, and I know I've put thousands of rounds throught it, and never so much as a hiccup! I also have a left hand J.C.Higgins bolt action 12 gauge for about 40 years or so. I'm naturaly left handed, but initially I had some trouble getting used to it. My 20 gauge is actually a Savage model. I love my Higgins'!!!

[@paulmoss7940]

Holy cow! I have a couple old jch but never heard of a LH higgins.I know they quit making them in 1961 when Ted Williams became their figurehead.

[@gunsandcars3648]

I have most of the pumps made, including Ithaca 37, but really impressed by High standard Flite 12g brush, paid probably too much at 250 but good collector.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

BPS is something

[@chrischiampo7647]

Thanks USOG 😀😊 All Very Excellent Shotguns 😀 👍🏼

[@Lugermonger35]

Winchester Model 25 my first long gun

[@gregkerr725]

I have a shotgun my Dad bought back in the 80's. It's a Win model 120 pump. It was an inexpensive offering at the time, but it seems to perform flawlessly. I don't know what features it might share with the model 12 or 125, but I imagine at least a few things since it's from the same company.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Greg - a star shotgun with a rotating bolt head; locks up like a bolt action rifle. Fantastic speed and reliability in an aluminum receiver; these have thrived for decades - people love them and values go up.

[@Junior-fd8ux]

My best friend came across a 20ga model 12 that's mint. Dosent look to be used hardly at all if ever. Also there is a supreme looking mod 12 Remington pump action 22 in the same condition. Hes on his way right now to see about acquiring them. Hopefully i end up with the Winchester as the Remington my buddys taken a shine to an the value also i suppose.

[@boomstick4054]

I prefer the Winchester rotating bolt head design over the tilting block design of Remington & Mossberg..... So that’s how I would choose whether or not a pump shotgun was a good purchase or not. (Nothing wrong with the tilting block, it’s just a preference) Mainly why I prefer the rotating bolt head design is the “Speed Pump” feature, enertia either ejects the spent hull, or at least partially assists in pumping the action...depending on the strength of your ammunition. Any shotgun with the rotating bolt head design will perform this pump assist, whether labeled “Speed Pump” or not....

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Boom - I think I agree with you. I was shooting them all and the Winchester has some kind of magic in it - I think the rotating bolt - just as you wrote.

[@boomstick4054]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns ....I’m not 100% sure, but I think a Browning pump shotgun has a rotating bolt?

[@johnpeschke9824]

Not sure I’m following your explanation. The bolt doesn’t rotate and unlock, until the shooter pulls back the slide, so the rotating bolt lock-up does nothing to “assist pumping “.

[@3richardrussell]

Thanks very much, I'm a new collector in Nova Scotia with a focus on post-war American long arms. This has got me looking seriously for a JC Higgins pump.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Dick - glad you're onboard! For sure the JC Higgins is one of those "must have" guns.

[@slickdazzler7330]

I also have 2 of the model 20s. One full choke plain barrel, and one with an interchangeable choke system similar to yours, except the ports are not round holes. Looks more like a shark gill pattern on each side, and screw in choke is about 2 inches long. I got lucky as you did, on my plain barrel one. Found one in near mint condition. The other one has had a lot of use, but still a solid shotgun.

[@ZachRobinson]

Thank you for another great video. I enjoy so much the detailed information on the guns and also your commentary on the news of the day.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Zach!

[@grandelfe]

I would like to find a Winchester Model 21 from someone doesn't know what it is.Like winning the lottery.Here in Canada we browse for old guns hoping to receive a jewel.I bought a 1935 BSW that is a real treasure, and have an even older Husquavarna310 A coming in the mail today.Old guns are often better made than the newer Plastic models, but I tend to like most guns if they shoot well.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Don - Some interesting guns coming out of Europe - as they disarm or partially disarms their populations; not many though - and then no more.

[@DMX-PAT]

Savage/Stevens 67 series is worth taking a look at.

[@volkssilver]

I have a J.C Higgins model 66 in excellent cond with original owners manual and soft shell case would you do a video on it

[@wizardofahhhs759]

That french made shotgun has some really beautiful wood on it.

[@ryannelson2162]

Outstanding video as always thanks for sharing.

[@LifeSavingDefense]

Hold Higgins vertical and press release and it will freely drop open. Made for quick loading.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great! Thanks for sending.

[@boomerrangerron]

Great job on this video and review as always! I have a JC Higgins model 12, which I've customized. I had Micahel Orlen of Amherst MA install removable choke tubes. With the rifled tube it shoots 2 inch groups at 50 yards consistently. I think this accuracy is tied to the barrel being pinned, and not removable! With the extra full tube it's a great turkey gun. I love this gun and hope to someday soon find one in 20 GA.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Never heard of a JC Higgins model 12.

[@boomerrangerron]

@@guaporeturns9472 They were manufactured by High Standard in Connecticut for SEARS

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@boomerrangerron I know the model 20 was made for Sears by High Standard but don’t think I’ve ever seen a 12. Is it a pump?

[@boomerrangerron]

@@guaporeturns9472 TYPO I meant to type Model 20! Sorry But thanks for your reply!

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@boomerrangerron No problem. I have 3 model 20s. Love them.

[@charlesjenkins1225]

I would 100% leave the "Power Pack" on!!!!!! It is an interesting item in the history of sporting shotguns :)

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I think you're right. I'll leave it.

[@esquad5406]

High Standard was the first gun maker to make a dedicated police shotgun. All police shotguns were made from existing shotgun designs. Model 12 97 31's and so on. HS came out with the "RIOT'' model. Then based the Flight King on it. The flight king is one of the best economy priced shotgun ever made. And was the first pump shotgun I ever owned. The only short coming it has that I know of is the firing pin retaining pin is weak or not heat treated. They tend to ware and break. Over the years I have replaced 20 or so. In this country you see the Flight King marketed under the name Revelation {western auto stores} Ted Williams {Montgomery Wards} J.C. Higgins {Sears&Robuck}. As well as Blue Grass and Belk-Nap Hardware Co. Louisville K.Y. And Fire Stone. When I was a kid you cud buy a gun every where. Well they did not have gun vending machines. But it would have been a good idea.

[@robertloew2570]

I have a High Standard FLIGHT KING Brush gun model K-120 it's an open choke slug model, really heavy gun but I like it! Any one know what peep sight they take because it drilled and taped on the left side for one???

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

This past November I was going to get a Winchester Model 12, but due to bad timing on my part, bad weather, and Thanksgiving all happening at once I missed out on getting one in nice condition at a good price. I still kick myself in the pants on that one, but it just wasn't meant to be. I hope more people take your advice to on getting these great used guns. The ones you showed are gems, and there are more out there waiting to be found. That Manufrance though, I have to say, has a really beautiful piece of walnut. Regarding this virus I strongly urge people to continue social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands often, and to avoid going out as much as possible.

[@scottmckinney1830]

Thank You for sharing 😊

[@airbornesoldieramerica7125]

In the northern mid western states, like Ohio,Indiana,Michigan etc... since around 2014, since these states they changed laws allow hunters to use straight wall cartridges for mostly deer hunting in these restricted states, the used shotguns went down in price dramatically, not unless it is some kind of a antique shotgun. But the rifles calibers in these states like the 45-70, 44 mag, 450 Bushmaster,444 Marlin etc....went way up in price dramatically !

[@guaporeturns9472]

Think the JC Higgins borrowed a lot from the Remington model 31..

[@stevepoe3667]

A stroll down Memory lane 🇺🇸👍

[@dukefanshawe6815]

I have a Sears and to buck with the fancy choke my brother bought it for me for $100 for my 18th b-day 8 years ago.

[@bobl4451]

J.C. Higgins are all good values, rifles and shotguns

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

100%

[@rick4649]

I own a Model 12. Great shotgun.

[@rick4649]

@Jeff Scuderi Great thing about opinions, everyone has one but with my gun mine is the only one that counts. I personally enjoy owning and shooting it.

[@rick4649]

@Jeff Scuderi like I said everyone is entitled to an opinion. Ours differ.

[@gregorymceaddy8884]

The single transfer action hi standard is all steel.. trust me you can't touch them for less than 600 in decent condition.. they will slam fire.. don't run anything but 2 and three quarter... with brass . hold on one bad ass shotgun.. heavy for a reason

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good post!

[@gregorymceaddy8884]

I will hand mine down in my will that it has to belong to a family member and never for sale.. it's just that magnificent​@@UnitedStatesOfGuns

[@gregorymceaddy8884]

You can remove the tube dowel from factory 5 plus 1..

[@DouglasZhuang]

USOG - greetings from Texas. Noticed your kind short of breath. Hope all going well. Eat some lard (pork lard) for cooking. Lard helps lungs - I have benefited a lot after switching to lard from vegetable oil.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Douglas! I will do that. The COVID tried hard to get me but I"m still here. I wish you health and happiness my friend.

[@Wildwestwrangler]

I am looking at a winchester model 25 12 gauge pump shotgun.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Excellent shotgun

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

GOOD MORNING SIR 😊. Another interesting video with a wealth of info ,,, I also have many of the shotguns that you featured and agree with you that the JC HIGGINS pumps are wonderful and accurate shotguns . 👍

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Johannes - it may seem odd to select the Higgins; I couldn't get around the excellence of that design. Glad you have them - each one is very interesting.

[@bobanderson6656]

Where would you get parts for these old guns?

[@bryanromeo7949]

Brownells

[@Dannosoutdoors]

I own 2 jc higgens they both shoot awesome in the stock the metal was .made so you can inscibe your initials is pure silver

[@esquad5406]

The J.C. Higgins was made by High Standard. Same gun as the flite king. Funny thing about it is. Hight Standard made the first dedicated police shotgun. All that came before were modified sporting guns. And that was the RIOT. Then the flight king was modeled of the Riot. Funny how that worked out. I hunted a flite king from about 18 to my 30's Traded a dog and a buck knife for it. The Riot was used by Steve McQueen in the getaway movie.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Amazing - the things you know. I'll look for the gun in McQueens hands : )

[@FarmerTed]

Why does this guy remind me of Mr Rodgers? Good video! I whole heartedly agree that our fore fathers wanted us to have guns to keep government in check.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Farmer Ted - thank you - and I agree - the idea was not and is not to take things away from the people. The idea is to help create a society of good people - as stupid as that may sound; if people were good - we would not need any laws.

[@ethanabrams6250]

That’s because he is the Mr Rodgers of guns!

[@waybee5258]

👍 👍 👍 👈 . Keep up the good work . I enjoy and learn a lot from your videos .

[@RickNethery]

Wow, just noticed you're up to over twenty thousand subscribers. Incredible work, and you earned them. I love this channel, and apparently am not alone. God Bless You my friend.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Rick! Somehow I made some progress; mostly love sharing what I know and learning from the countless great people that have written me - and helped me with their kindness and support - as you have. God Bless

[@RickNethery]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You're Welcome my Friend

[@deadhorse1391]

USOG I look at a lot of gun channels on KZbin and I love yours, you come across as a knowledgeable, and nice guy

[@flintrichards945]

I wish I still had my old model 12 that was my first shotgun. It was interesting that it was brought back from Germany buy my dad also a nice old Mauser small ring 98 sportier he got during the war.

[@mfstr]

What do you think of the Remington Sportsman 58? Found a mint one for a good price.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Excellent shotgun! I buy them when I find them - so undervalued for now.

[@georgemckenzie181]

How do you know if it is loaded .they look nice but when you pick it up be sure you have it pointed in a safe direction that safety button is hard to tell when it is off

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Such a good point George. As with all firearms - the first thing I do is open the action. God Bless.

[@deadhorse1391]

Enjoyed your video, as always Talking about “slick” pump shotguns I think about the best is the Remington model 31. It was an expensive gun and had trouble competing with the model 12. I have lots of shotguns but for some reason never got a model 12. I live in a big waterfowl hunting area and here they always sold for a premium on the used gun market. I think that’s not quite as true as it used to be. I’ve always wanted to get one and turn it into a period Riot gun, watched to many gangster movies Last year I found one in a gun shop , solid condition but not much finish, ugly recoil pad and cutts choke device added. Was made in 1916 and was priced at $150...just what I was looking for ! I bobbed the barrel back to 21 in. and replaced the pad with an older period red head one. Thought about refinishing it but like the patina. Just a fun gun to own

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great buy - even if well loved - your conversion must be impressive and I know what you mean about patina - can be one of the nicest looks.