"Stealth" (2005) - Talon 1 (Ben Gannon) and UCAV EDI-Russian dogfight and surrender

01:15:59 to 01:23:11

[@penitent2401]

modern fighters engages and fires their missiles at beyond visual range, they can start shooting at 100 miles out.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

Not against stealth aircraft they can’t. Stealth is very effective against radar guided missiles. Less effective against heat seekers and guns. Now that begs the question of how the Russians intercepted them, but long wavelength ground radar could have guided them in. EDI and Talon 1 could have engaged BVR, but EDI I think actually wanted to try the whole fire forged friends thing, and Talon 1 didn’t want to start WW3.

[@Flobann]

if one of the plane is stealthy they cant lock him x) plus in Russia only jet after the su35 have bvr capacities so they maybe cant shoot too

[@francescoboselli6033]

​@@HALLish-jl5mo although remains the question of why they went for cannon kills instead of using IR guided missiles once they got near the stealth aircrafts 🤔

[@outrider425]

@@Flobann the entire Flanker and Mig 29 family has BVR capability

[@override367]

@@HALLish-jl5mo EDI would have destroyed both Russian fighters with AIM-9xs easily guns would never have come into play

[@astronak3333]

Fun fact: The SU-37 Terminator is a single seat fighter. But the jets shown in the movie are two seaters, likely modelled after the SU-30SM.

[@markoj3512]

Fun Fact this Movie is garbage...

[@MardenZengar]

Fun fact: this movie is fiction...

[@keithseremba5634]

"EDI is a war plane EDI must have target" this line was fire!

[@ansumamedhi1561]

P

[@dimitarmargaritov]

Also "What are my orders?" and his analysis on the commander's shaking voice.

[@spaceman9599]

Welcome to the AI future

[@TUHANbukanorangARAB]

​@@spaceman9599 With Congress deadlocked on whether to approve tens of billions of dollars in additional aid for Ukraine, that nation's domestic arms industry is becoming increasingly important. Perhaps the most vital weapons system it's producing is an army of drones. Nick Schifrin and videographer Eric O’Connor visited the frontline in southern Ukraine to understand how drones have transformed the war.

[@dragonrabbit7410]

totally underrated movie

[@jackylee5850]

1:55 When drones starts doing sharp maneuvers at speeds impossible for a modern airframe to handle and react to, it changes the whole game of dogfighting I mean, EDI just did a donut in midair, and it didn't even switch to VTOL to do so

[@dixievfd55]

And yet EDI seems so stupid he let a plane two generations older than him get on his tail.

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

​​@@dixievfd55he is not stupid. In the contrary, he is cunning. He let one of the Terminator to get onto his tail as soon as they engage in the dogfight, so he can freely drove it to cut the talon 01 off the 2nd Terminator. He know Talon 01 would be able to finish the 1st Terminator in an instant. He intentionaly cut him to interupt his targeting system ,put him at disadvantage to delay some time, so at the end of the fight he can positioned himself behind the talon 01 (in case he consider the latter as threat, so he can finish it) & later the 3rd terminator. (Or perhaps he already looking for the 3rd one).

[@TUHANbukanorangARAB]

Ben Ganon: "It is not real. It is only simulation." E.D.I: "If it was not real, Why Vladimir Putin attacks Ukraine."

[@toasterwolf97]

?

[@benbo4394]

Military and political interest. War is literally geopolitical 101.

[@Meteorknite]

Nato Not only that its related to cultural stuff too. Ukr is making claim over Ru history

[@metza366]

Cause he is sick and tired of nato lies. Nato Will not expand to the east Cause he is sick and tired of nazis killing russians in east ukraina. And many many more reasons

[@NateGiebel]

@@Meteorknitelook up Kievan Rus

[@Legofanatic-7254]

This feels like an Ace Combat-style dogfight

[@utley]

its worse than that

[@Diamond-bd5ox]

@@utley unless we're talking about ace combat assault horizon

[@utley]

@@Diamond-bd5ox I was thinking Tom Clancys HAWX

[@LanaaAmor]

​@@Diamond-bd5oxwhy is it good?

[@Diamond-bd5ox]

@@LanaaAmor absolutely not kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWOod2Z9iMaNnZo

[@ishaan863]

the insane bit is that "unmanned fighter jet" isn't science fiction anymore. just news.

[@deepconscious7741]

Would still be under laws of aerodynamics and physics. Unmanned doesn't mean it'll turn into a circus gymnast at will.

[@ashtonwilliams7395]

@@deepconscious7741 with that being said, provided structural stability and power to weight ratio, an unmanned aircraft will be able to negate extreme G Force so that would be cool.

[@deepconscious7741]

@@ashtonwilliams7395 I understand about the G-forces, P2W ratios but there is something called Mass and Inertia and then to control it by pure vectoring in tight turns!! Looks plausible when you see it like that as shown in movie but not possible in real life , esp not when the other plane is travelling at almost 800-1200 Kms/hr and so are you. Hollywood Physics 😇

[@amentco8445]

Have we actually seen any proof of a dogfight capable drone?

[@deepconscious7741]

@@amentco8445 only in glorifying Hollywood movies. Nowhere else.

[@nizardzul4002]

this scene always got me, even tho this is 2005 movie. but ngl this scene looks way better than most of todays movie scene

[@gagongflip389]

It's crazy that all the good fighter plane movies are Navy and Airforce have yet to come out with one.

[@someopinionateddirt6561]

Apparently, Navy's always been really big on having a silver screen presence. I remember reading somewhere that Navy's very happy to play ball with Hollywood to spruce up its image for recruiting. And it worked. Top Gun put Naval Aviation into the minds of regular joes, and there's a deluge of movies based on or feature Navy SEALs. Other branches of the US Military aren't as big on advertisements.

[@techietisdead]

@@someopinionateddirt6561 Plus ships are cool as hell and a carrier launch looks and feels(for the audience) better than a normal one

[@simplyyellow6240]

Damnit even in CGI they can't even make the camera stand still.

[@Oliepolie]

Thats the point….

[@ОмарКобжасаров]

Самая большая фантастика тут это в том что у самолёта с обратной стреловидностью при резком маневре крылья заворачиваются назад! А дрон так и вовсе выполнил немыслимый кульбит на высокой скорости и не развалиться!))

[@tavorebisu]

Yep, under all those G force people usually blackout

[@smerch7672]

Ну знаешь И ф-14 может переиграть су-57

[@ОмарКобжасаров]

​@@smerch7672 Ты не понял!)) У самолёта с крыльями обратной стреловидности при резких маневрах крылья заворачивает в "дудку"! Сейчас попросту нет таких материалов при которых данный вид крыла не развалился бы... Ну а самое прикольное в этом фильме так это то что самолёт не имеющий отклоняемого сопла делает вертикальную бочку и пусть он даже супер совершенный будет при разбеге центробежных сил его бы просто сложило пополам(Я про дрон).

[@MiG-31893]

@@ОмарКобжасаров 30-мм пушка на Су-37 тоже была действительно неточна. он стреляет намного больше выстрелов в секунду и наносит гораздо больше урона, чем в этом фильме. у него также всего 5 секунд времени стрельбы, так что у них закончатся патроны за одну очередь

[@Tapochek6996]

Нет смысла разбирать детально что тут не так, с первого взгляда все понятно

[@davecrupel2817]

1:16 i love this moment. Like swordsmen bowing to each other to start the fight.

[@adipramono1666]

damn, that turn is 14 G's minimum.

[@fahadbutt3601]

Probably more

[@stonegrind]

Bro that's like 40 G's. That's not survivable

[@Spacegoat92]

@@stonegrind It comes down to the pilot in the box....

[@SolitarySpade_Davon]

​​@@stonegrind unless if you're a mute psychopath with a hundred missiles in tow

[@Groza_Dallocort]

​@@stonegrindnot for humans but the plane will handle it

[@wades_world22]

i have been looking for this scene for YEARS and i just realized it is from this movie :D amazing

[@PaulJohnson-vn7eh]

This was supposed to be a direct to video. However, with Jamie Foxx being in it and Ray exploding on the screens, they put it out there. It's not bad if you get it cheap. I got it for $6 as a dual pack with Blue Thunder.

[@patrioticcat5768]

I always thought that revolving missile rack thing that EDI has to be so cool specially woth the revolver clicks. I was a teen watching and loving evry second.

[@LOLHAMMER45678]

They're real. B-2 has one

[@stoog7487]

Tbh, the cgi is better than she hulk.

[@Drnken229]

Bro is almost losing a 1v1 in a 29th Gen fighter versus 4th Gen

[@VitriousGamer]

after 7 years we have re-united by YT's algo again xD

[@adamstuartclark]

So he states that he's low on fuel. They've just finished engaging the other fighters over Lake Baikal, Russia. The landing is in Alaska. So how is he low on fuel when that distance is more than 5,000km (3,000 miles)? If anything he should've radioed base and told them he has too MUCH damn fuel.

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

Well ITS low on fuel but efficient....and most say low on fuel mean they cant back to base...

[@aryabagusbox]

Gen 6 combat vs 4

[@uchihashin7974]

They put up a good fight though

[@toptiergaming6900]

​@uchihashin7974 that is why Russian tech is somehow inherently better. Must be some magic paint coating or something that improves all the flight stats

[@kalistaredacted2808]

@@uchihashin7974 Yeah, only someone as skilled as Maverick can fight that well using a 4 vs a 6.

[@erushi5503]

At 2:30 convinced me that 3d animators and effects guys are ace combat fans

[@danielcs8963]

Caramba, esse filme já tem 18 anos,, putz!

[@リムルテンペスト-x4u]

A fine adult

[@spaceman9599]

The point of modern fighter jets, that tend to kill over the horizon, is to engage in pointless close range dogfights with infinite ammunition. Cool film bro

[@toptiergaming6900]

The fact that 3 4th gen fighters nearly destroyed 2 6th Generation fighters clearly shows the superiority of Russian technology, lol.

[@benzene_sandwich]

Lmao I hope you’re joking

[@toptiergaming6900]

@@benzene_sandwich I thought it was obvious I was

[@benzene_sandwich]

@@toptiergaming6900 oh good, you’d be surprised of the amount of people that will comment stuff like this and be dead serious.

[@edmondhung6097]

They need some TopGun training

[@celestialknightsffxiv6566]

Back in 2005 we vastly overestimated Russian capabilities, when I always knew they was a paper tiger

[@phermade1000]

The tech in this movie looks like 2022 class

[@t-rexcamp9090]

Bro holy shit that was like a 40g minimum turn his body should be a bag of soup right now

[@zacharydutcher3586]

Nice application of hardware manufactured in a higher quality environment.

[@kalistaredacted2808]

How the hell did these SUs put up such a good fight? Something tells me the 3 pilots piloting the SUs were Mihaly, Trigger, and Maverick. They were going full tryhard mode to put up that good of a fight, any less skilled pilots piloting relatively weak 4th gen fighters would be shredded by these 6th-7th gen fighters

[@Meteorknite]

Su is alpha ver the other aircraft are prototype tests

[@widyasantoso4910]

If that was the case the Russian Federation just lost three skilled crews. The next thing would be to explain to their families how they lost their lives.

[@svoi-111]

На компьютере все герои. Су-27 не будет гоняться за ними, лётчики не такие глупые же что не могут справиться со стелсом

[@toptiergaming6900]

Well, considering ukrane, the commanders would send them out. Also, they were SU-37 (a canceled prototype for SU 27 replacement)

[@svoi-111]

@@toptiergaming6900 Тем более, у СУ-37 расширенные функции. Зачем гоняться если и так достанут.

[@FINALLYOUTAFTER7]

5:25 you’re useless If you can’t think on your feet. Solid.

[@DaveQZ85]

“Chafe” (chaff) and flares before the missile even launches?

[@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774]

Pre-flaring is useful as it makes it harder to lock onto the aircraft before the missile launches.

[@DaveQZ85]

@@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774 Good point, I can see that giving whatever edge you can get. Since aircraft deploy them after making a run and transport aircraft right before landing. Both in known hot spots. That aside, I would still question their effectiveness here because of how close they are (hey it's a movie; no fun in BVR missile launches). There isn't enough separation time for the chaff and flares to the aircraft body to make distinct targets to track, no? I'd imagine radar/IR would see it as only a slightly bigger aircraft with all that countermeasures coming off it.

[@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774]

@Dave Zhang That is correct. In reality, the distance between aircraft would be in several kilometres for pre-flaring to be effective. At those ranges, most seekers resolution is low enough that flares and chaff can easily be confused, but once the missile / launch aircraft is closer, a lock is much harder to break

[@Sahilprakash1999]

1:45,3:12 same Russian speak

[@ho-ri6540]

"Vladimir are u ok?" "Those Niggas Gen-6 Plane just shooting my ass"

[@Mannchini]

This movie was dumb, but I enjoyed it.

[@Tigershark_3082]

The effects are certainly dated. The chaff and flares looked like they came from 2019 war thunder

[@ameyajadhav7634]

Us has been dreaming about having more manuvareble plane than Russia for ages!!

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

You mean Hollywood. Then yes they are.

[@theres3nsinmyname887]

0:50 So that's where that blu-ray scene was from!

[@Sahilprakash1999]

0:04 that satellite has a USSR flag on it

[@threestrikesmarxman9095]

It’s likely that it was launched in Soviet times. The US still uses reconnaissance satellites from the Cold War era.

[@g4gaming524]

Hollywood always war in movie 😂

[@shrk128]

2:20 that Gsh-30-1 should've cored his plane like an apple with those high explosive 30mm rounds.

[@APW_Manbow]

What happened to the Tin-man core that went to North Korea after that? I want to see more. Again?

[@MihalyShilage]

0:34 music name please?

[@dalumpuralyngdoh4665]

A dogfight between the 7th generation fighter and 4++ generation fighter and the 7th generation fighter have a hard time to shoot it down shame on you 7th generation fighter 😂😂😂😂😂

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

Since when does the SU-37 have two seats ? (Which technically makes it the SU-37UB). It’s an SU-35 MKI or whatever…

[@tarn1135]

2 of the most advanced fighter the planet has ever seen verses a couple of flankers and chance of survival is only 9%? Ummmmm no.

[@chandrakant1479]

After watching Top Gun Maverick, this looks like a cartoon show 😆

[@Er19421]

This whole movie feels like wolf warriors 12 😂

[@der.8492]

Ace Combat moment

[@keithseremba5634]

EDI: The chances of survival in single combat are less than 9%. Talon 1 we must fight as a team. Me: Salute!

[@kondalaraokumara8629]

Us airforce always wins with Russia only in movies not in real dog fight

[@jezrhaymagayones8841]

Funny thing is that a American 20 mm cannon shits out su37 like an fucking sidewinder

[@unguidedone]

magic aerodynamics at work

[@cpy]

Back when it was fun to pretend that Russian fighter pilots were good, now we know they can't even avoid a stationary drone without crashing into it

[@sadanandkumbhar9960]

Beyond unreal 😂

[@astatine5781]

Beyond unimaginably unreal. I officially hate this movie and it’s a surprise it ever “graced” the silver screen with how terrible this movie is. Every 5 seconds it gives me reasoning to hate it more and more. Actor can’t even get something as simple as “Chaff” right he literally said chafe like to be sore.

[@override367]

movie dogfights would be real boring if the planes were as capable as real 5th generation fighters (or later), noise pointing is unnecessary, the F-35 can fire its missiles backwards if it needs to. Maneuverability is more or less unnecessary when your radar can identify pubes on a rat

[@Coinz8]

It cant fire them backwards 🙄🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@OphoisOne]

@@Coinz8 It can, however use its Distributed Aperture System (the 360 degree camera system that allows the pilot to "see" through the floor of the jet) to create a firing solution - so a pilot could see a target behind the plane, launch a missile that is then directed to turn around and go behind the target - then the missile's own targeting systems can take over. The F35 is not limited to forward looking IRST or forward looking radar for target acquisition.

[@override367]

@@Coinz8 It absolutely can, the range and kill probability will be substantially reduced, however (except for an AIM-9, but until the next upgrade package the F-35 has no AIM-9 in stealth configuration)

[@jurajsintaj6644]

​@@override367 its probably more useful to be able to lock and fire in a much larger arc. Being able to lock at a 90 degree angle is always going to be more beneficial than being able to lock behind yourself

[@override367]

@@jurajsintaj6644 Absolutely, especially when you realize there's a 0% chance anything would ever "sneak up" on an F-35

[@jctripplesticks]

Ah yes, rules of engagement clearly state that you can engage an enemy only when fired upon.... ESPECIALLY when fired upon over enemy airspace. Clearly self defense rules apply...also "chafe" and flare

[@astatine5781]

Movie is absolutely stupid anyway and that goes for every aspect, the air combat, the “jet” designs and everything else. It seriously gives me a headache to watch any scene from this movie and Jamie Foxx is too 5 favorite actor so that is really saying something if I can’t push through it. I’d love to watch a video of people tearing this movie apart because the only way for me to think about it and not get angry is to listen to people ripping every scene apart and showing how stupid it is.

[@emmanuelmahida9570]

Giving so much space in canopy😂😂😂

[@OfflineGSC]

Why is he using flares there?

[@mehdiidrissi8190]

Why people always makes planes drifting and turn off physics I can't understand why

[@mahe-2268]

I remember that film. It was a piece of shit at the movie theatre, and it is even more pathetic on the small screen.

[@ME262MKI]

Cry me a river

[@mickwilliamnation-3.049]

Let's skill test this in a scenario of world war 3...it's taking place soon

[@team_valentina_officiel3541]

It's unfair Russian one didn't get updated

[@fadillah6014]

What do you meant? Are talking about their fighters, if yes as far I know that was only most advanced experimental available other than su-47 but they haven't use in full capacity in this movie and their Pak-Fa barely came into realizations unless you count mig 1.44.

[@SRDPS2]

You have understand this movie make in 2005, director probably not know the advanced Russia fighter in that time (Fifth generation fighter not exist yet)

[@toptiergaming6900]

They could have just made a SU-47 and modified it to look like a 5th gen because it already looks like one with its interior weapons bay

[@petarsimovic5628]

Beyond unreal

[@duyanhtran2077]

почему су27 а не МиГ 1.44,миг41 или су57 и су47

[@boqndimitrov8693]

one of the films for which I still regret that I paid money for a ticket. what nonsense!... 🙉

[@HARE_KRISHNA_777_VaY_7...]

Слаженная работа.Но можно и по аккуратнее быть.Без лишних понтов😮😮😮😂😂😂😂🎉

[@caxinleentertaiments3192]

in my country there is a sentence. "Win is king, lose is make a movie" American goods are always good, but I don't dare to invite to Ukraine

[@kuroneko475]

Gen 4 can fight Gen 6 because there general sole data of the plane to russia for stop edi .....

[@toptiergaming6900]

This shows the superiority of Russian technology... somehow... if 3 4th gen even have a chance, lol. Perhaps the vodka of the pilots give them magic powers. Idk

[@kalistaredacted2808]

Maverick was piloting it, that is why! Either that or these SUs have been infused with Belkan witchcraft

[@Miazroblox_YT]

Top Gun: Maverick is better since the dogfight is more realistic.

[@skykillerxxx]

Oh come on..dont judge the 2022 movie against this 2005 movie..its almost 2 decade different there..considering this made on 2005,the graphic,cgi is better thn some movie nowdays..and its about future plane..

[@tihoprskalo7719]

Is this an UFO battle like *IRAN INCIDENT*? 🖖🏻🖖🏻🛸👽

[@notabigdea]

The real dog fight ain't the same 😂🤣

[@aliffhazwan2208]

its good, idk much about plot but something about the dogfight is just off , too assed

[@dixievfd55]

Those look a lot more like Su-35s. Even back when this movie was made those should have been Felons.

[@kingrubio3976]

Proceed.

[@sammynochains3455]

Su 37 terminators. Thats a rad name

[@outrider425]

those are Su 30 with terminator paintjob

[@mraviatorboii2510]

@@outrider425 literally, but did the SU-30s with canards even existed in that time frame ?

[@kalistaredacted2808]

@@outrider425 Mihaly was piloting it, that is why the SU-30 was able to give a freaking 7th gen fighter a good run for his money.

[@TOANLENGUYEN-l1b]

Backbase Fit It ft.

[@blackhelmet5315]

Advanced AI pilot out manoeuvered enemy pilot fails to dodge simple debris

[@TOANLENGUYEN-l1b]

AK Signing Off Video Game Green ft.

[@mansondelacy]

It has the Top Gun Effect definitely, but I still have fun with film regardless.

[@bobball8860]

I’m really confused because the satellite is Soviet

[@tytoalbasoren9457]

It's probably launched during Soviet era times but still in use by Russia. Tbf, it's not that impossible since the US still use recon sattelites launched during the Cold War era.

[@Josh-yh4ul]

Sci-fi NATO vs Soviet era. Hmm..

[@eaaeeeea]

With the maneuverability alone those latest-gen jets would've escaped the 4th gen fighters with ease.

[@kalistaredacted2808]

@@eaaeeeea No, these SU-35s or whatever were made in Belka. And Maverick himself is piloting them!

[@Jpz-4-5]

3:20 he didn’t even fire the missile and this man was already using all his flares, what a smart American pilot, kinda accurate tbh

[@sjcbball21]

Butt hurt alert

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

The flares prevented a lock by confusing the SU-37 targeting. It was close quarters so the moment the missile is in the air, he's dead and flares are all but useless.

[@Jpz-4-5]

@@HeadlessChickenTO ik but what’s the point when he hasn’t launched it, it could be a bluff to waste all his flares, and a cobra or any acrobatic aircraft move couldn’t save him from a missile

[@sacopanchez151]

There's something called pre-flaring. Flares and chaff don't really work well against modern missiles once they are chasing you, it's best to confuse the enemy's targeting systems before they launch a missile.

[@Jpz-4-5]

@@sacopanchez151 all they have to do is wait a few seconds then launch the missile, it’s called having a brain the flares which is what they used have a heat signature which make the missile lock onto them instead, and as soon as there gone there’s one massive heat signature where the engine is and no air move is gonna save them when that missile locks and launches

[@tootiredtostop1606]

Aaahhh i remember when we all thought russian military tech worked...

[@gauravagnihotri729]

American destroyed Russian su in only movie

[@multirule8517]

And putin aangry

[@totoitekelcha7628]

And smelly indians got butt hurt. 🤣🤣

[@SpunkyMaster]

Your unofficial commie Papa Putin will be Happy.

[@Spudtron98]

Plenty of Sukhois falling out of the sky in Ukraine. Some of them don't even need to be shot.

[@krunalbhatt110]

@Saffron-Terrorism(trends top on internet) same Americans are killing your middle eastern puppies like rats on daily basis what about that! Atleast Russians don't give FREEDOM to everybody like US did to millions of innocent people.

[@Synaps4]

Did he just say Lake Ba-Kyle? lol. It's Baikal.

[@SRDPS2]

People say it's not fair/impossible Russia can be bad But I'm gonna say at least Russia team got spotlight that can park behind them while on terrible match making

[@sigitpurnomo1435]

Hanya di film jika asli us pengecut

[@VaisakhSudhakaran]

ED, EDNN, EDI 😁😁😁😁😁

[@mohdidzuansukri4769]

Covid19..sultan.sambas...

[@도심지-l6i]

The movie describes the disgusting behavior of the U.S. illegally invading the airspace of another country' As expected, the United States is one of the disgusting countries

[@GStev-qf1zl]

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[@shafiqulislam3095]

Really? First Russian jet shootes bullet and the American one taking damage. But the American one shootes bullet but Russia jet destroyed. 2nd they just dismissed the electrical fire with water? How lame?

[@tukinami]

MACROSS Plus

[@FZ-Alysz]

WA 2015 🤨

[@wolfdima]

А в реале Ф-35, которому на сверхзвук нельзя выходить, нанопокрытие разваливается

[@subrajitmukherjee4535]

The plane looks like copy of su47😂

[@SternLX]

I cringed so hard during this scene when it first came out... and I'm still cringing. Hollywoods idea of dog fights are always cringe worthy. Also the way he pronounced Chaff. Chafe? No dude... it's Chaaaaaff.

[@apex009beyond]

Be very scared A. I.