STEAM Education: Putting an A in your STEM

[@jd9557]

The worst part about being the artistic kid who gets pivoted is when everyone comes to you asking why you never did anything with the arts because you were “so artistic as a kid” but everyone around you treated it as a distraction

[@potato9832]

What prevented you from just doing it? People who practice art and music do better at STEM. For example, there's correlation between learning music and doing better in math.

[@jd9557]

@@potato9832 every adult in your life telling you to stop wasting time and focus on what really matters has a good way of telling a child that what they’re passionate about doesn’t matter. What prevented me from just doing it was having nobody in my support circle encouraging me to pursue what I loved until it was years too late. Luckily I’ve been in therapy and am pulling myself out of that headspace but yeah, but i needed this support when I was 12, not 25

[@jd9557]

@@potato9832 also art takes time and money, things not readily available to everyone. Not everybody has the luxury to say “screw you mom and dad, I’m going to art school”. Not your intention, but what an infuriating, out of touch comment

[@potato9832]

@@jd9557 Watercolors and color pencils are cheap. Lesson and anatomy books are free at the public library. And, there are cheap good instruments: Casio SA-81 $80 Donner DST-100S $143 Casio CT-S300 $180 Yamaha P71 $350 If you can't come up with $150 for an instrument you could enjoy for a decade, then you're not doing life right.

[@dreamcoyote]

Yeah, there is a weird dichotomy about artists in that people both expect you to do it because you are talented AND no one really wants to pay much for art anymore so you should be poor to boot. In 1993 my art prof at uni told us it was sad that we wouldn't be able to make a living with our soon to be earned degrees. I mean, HE made a living teaching the classes, and ouch.. but on the other hand, he was being honest. I think a couple of my classmates made a living, or half of one, at it. Most moved on to other careers. The 9-5 of IT drained most of my desire to do it but maybe someday I'll go back to it. You do you and hope you get to enjoy whatever YOU like :)

[@no_thingness]

The correct acronym is obviously MEATS

[@ZedaZ80]

TEAMS ?

[@adaroben1104]

TAMES for kids

[@LovableCoolGuy]

years ago, i tried making the acronym expand out to STEAMED HAMS back when that was a meme.

[@culwin]

Training kids to work at Arby's

[@apppples]

​@@LovableCoolGuy science technology engineering analysis mathematics emotional health determination humanities arts motivation synthesis

[@billyt8868]

as someone who went to one of the biggest engineering schools in the world and worked hard for my GPA… i want to say….. thank you for subtly calling out engineers for being so damn smug because they thought being graded on a curve meant they worked hard instead of realizing their professors were either adjunct or ready to retire and didn’t care.

[@EkiToji]

I'm reminded of when I was a TA for the basic electrical engineering course all the various engineering disciplines were required to take. I always enjoyed actually spending the few minutes to derive the voltage divider and current divider equations from KVL and KCL instead of just making people memorize it and use it in a basic lab setting.

[@jojo-gy9pp]

As a worker bee I mention that a motion sensor is too slow to use to turn the water off and on so can we have a knob instead like all faucets have? Engineer says it works. Yeah it works bad man so we don't use it and waste water instead. Engineer walks away.

[@VerryBonne]

As an adult I came to realize that math isn't taught very well in high school. In High School I got good grades in math, but I realize I didn't actually learn it very well. For example, I didn't actually understand what a Sine and Cosine are, I just learned how to plug them into a formula without understanding why the formula worked. I got a much better understanding of Trigonometry when I started learning how to do some programming for making video games. I had to write code that would rotate a little space ship in the game, which required me to learn how the Trigonometric formulas actually worked. Many of us think of games as just being arts and entertainment, so it's kind of funny that they ended up teaching me math better than school did. I realized I had a bias that I think a lot of people have, where they assume that math is supposed to be boring and difficult, but it doesn't actually have to be that way.

[@petergerdes1094]

As a mathematican, I think we basically don't teach math at all. We teach kids how to perform rote actions that a computer could now do faster and better not how to understand what's going on. Unfortunately, it's not something you can fix given the current incentives. As long as you care more about improving the average scores on certain kinds of tests than about actual understanding -- well the only way you can get someone who doesn't want to learn to test well is rote learning. Good teachers inspire more kids to want to learn but even the best teacher can't inspire everyone who is forced to be in a class they don't want to be in.

[@Reliken]

I remember sitting in high school trig as a junior. We were learning sin/cosin/tangent calculations. I raised my hand and said "ok so I'm learning this formula and how to plug and chug the calculations, but I don't know what we're actually DOING. When we find the SIN or COSIN or TAN of an angle... What are we actually finding? What does any of it actually mean? What are the calculations actually doing, telling us?" My teacher told me I was overthinking it and didn't need to know any of that stuff, I just needed to memorize the formulae. That's the moment I completely checked out of math and stopped caring about it. I dropped the class, didn't take any more math in HS, and would go on to get slightly boned by math in college as a result. This is also why I only ended up getting a BA in Psych instead of a BS.

[@Reliken]

​@@petergerdes1094 :(

[@VerryBonne]

@@Reliken That's tragic. Your teacher's reply gives me a strong suspicion that they may actually have not known the answer themself. Especially with high school level math teachers, many of them are not experts on the subject they are teaching. They are people who went through the same system we did and they too only ever learned how to plug in the formulas. This is frustrating because I think most of us eventually forget the formulas after we've gone many years without using them. I think when we learn concepts instead, we are much better able to remember that years later. In many cases the formulas can be derived from knowledge of the concepts. Like in trig, all you really just need to memorize is the Pythagorean theorem if you know conceptually how it works.

[@Guynhistruck]

​@@petergerdes1094schools, at least in this country, teach kids to be algorithm calculators. That is not how you learn math on an effective or practical basis. Thank you for your insight and perspective on the matter, and for pushing to improve mathematical and scientific literacy. It is necessary yet arduous work, and we thank you for your service.

[@noatreiman]

“How can we get to Star Trek if people who want to do science aren’t allowed to do science” 💗

[@maxsonthonax1020]

Because were already at Blake's 7.

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Last time I checked no permits were needed to apply the scientific method. Of course not everyone has the material means to do what they need to do to go about thier studies. That is what we needs to change.

[@RealMenWorshipZeus]

"Public school is about education. It is NOT job training. And it should not be. Otherwise, the capitalists win." As a teacher, it felt so good to hear this. I love your channel so much.

[@niqhtt]

This is not universal, but for the most part. My wife left the corporate/business world at 44yo to become a teacher. She has a lot of experience to share. I was a master auto tech before teaching. The diff will be those college teacher educated vs alternative certificate that have done many things before. Edit: rereading that I see the context I missed. At my large district each HS has a specialty or two. From Automotive to Dental Assistance to a machine shop that makes things for NASA. Some vocational level education has tremendous value. I teach 7th/8th grade Audio/Video and the first thing I tell them is this is using computers and tech every where, but this is an art class. What you make is your creation, just with some required steps along the way.

[@jeanpablo3995]

and can't it be both at the same time?

[@Dext3rM0rg4n]

I agree that school should push for education for its own sake, but I also think they should guide you a bit more when it's time to chose what study or job you want to do. In France we don't have this phylosophie that school are job training, but once I turned 18 I was asked to chose what I wanted to do for the next 40 years, one of the most important decision you have to make in your life, and was offered 0 guidance. And I think school should help you with that, since not everyone has parent who studied and can give you advice.

[@M4-Z3-R0]

Haven’t the capitalist’s already won?

[@sellingacoerwa8318]

It's so just down the stack, know what I mean?

[@ffc1a28c7]

I'm in Math, and every time I tell someone outside of Math I did my PhD in it, they invariably respond something along the lines of "oh, you like math? is it because there's always an answer and it's straightforward?" or "oh, you like math? I hated math, it's too rigid". It's kind of funny that people seem to have a perception of this massive divide between "hard" or "definite" sciences and everything "creative." There is so much more to math than algorithmically determining a solution.

[@realfunnyman]

When I've told people I study math, they have sometimes responded like I've reminded of them of a time something horrible happened to them. They'll say things like "kill me now" or something to that effect. It really makes me sad!

[@JohnSmith-xf2fw]

People don't like the idea of being redundant, so when they come across math or stem related fields and don't do well, they tell themselves it's because it's just not their strong point. So then what is their strong point? Well you see it must because their minds are more in tuned with 'creativity and imagination' or their 'emotional intelligence'. Which leads to them writing off the things they're not mentally agile enough for as lacking 'creativity' or believing in misconceptions like 'intelligent people tend to be less emotionally intelligent' even though most studies on the matter seem to prove the inverse if there exists any kind of correlation at all. As if somehow the people who's minds are capable of unravelling the secrets of the universe, of imagining concepts no one else has ever thought of before are wouldn't be able to easily produce at least above average art if they wanted to.

[@CutoutClips]

It's like they think math PhDs are just calculators but slower haha

[@solarmoth4628]

That’s most likely because when people are having their primary and secondary math education, they are told there is only one way to come to an answer. Any alternative method is not accepted hence people view math as a very rigid subject.

[@kylegonewild]

@@JohnSmith-xf2fw mfers out here psychoanalyzing a population like dyscalculia and divergent aptitudes aren't a thing. If someone is groaning and complaining when you bring up math then they almost certainly had a poor educational experience with it and it has absolutely fuckall to do with this "creativity is actually superior and uniquely distinct from math" shit. I never encounter this stuff in real life. Not when I was in university. Not when I visit my very rural, blue collar family and friends, none of whom attended anything beyond a year or two at community college. People who don't "like" math tend to not like it for a reason and that reason is either they legitimately struggle with the subject or their educational opportunities regarding math were complete ass. You have to show people who feel that way there are reasons to enjoy math and that math is full of creativity. Matt Parker from StandupMaths is a GREAT resource for showing people how mathematics can be fun and interesting in and outside of a school setting. For quite a number of people topics don't actually become interesting or start "clicking" until they leave the stifling and mismanaged education system in which they found themselves.

[@NotJustBikes]

Thanks for making this. It's an important video. It reminds me of something I came across when researching for a video: an offhand comment that in the US, local schools are funded by local property tax. As a Canadian, this boggled my mind when I read this. I thought there's no way that could be correct because that would mean that people from richer neighbourhoods would get more funding for schools than people in lower-income neighbourhoods, and that would lead to insane wealth disparities. But yeah. It's true. As you mentioned, there is Title I, but that provides nowhere near enough funding to make up for this discrepancy. I've read that one of the top predictors of success in America is what zip code you grew up in, and this is a huge part of that. I now live in the Netherlands, and the school system is designed to be as egalitarian as possible. Almost all funding is provided by the national government and is made to be as fair as possible across the country. There is also extra funding for students from low-income families and for those with special needs. It's actually annoyingly egalitarian at times: for example, in Amsterdam, kids don't just go to their local high school, they have to rank their preferred schools, and then an algorithm determines how to best place all students so that they get one of their top choices. This is stressful for kids because they don't know what high school they're going to until quite late in the year, but it's all built specifically to avoid the problem where "rich kids go to the good schools and poor kids go to the underfunded schools." It's definitely not perfect by any means, but it does significantly level the playing field for access to education. It seems like everything about the US education system (especially changes by Republican governments over the past few decades) has been laser-focused on making a good education something that's only available to the wealthy.

[@bb-jy7iu]

Cool seeing you here, I love your channel too

[@AmeebaBoi]

YOoo its the "bikes and other things" guy!!!

[@dexi6111]

I want to hear the story about the strodes again for bedtime

[@forivall]

Something that I'm also learning about the USA is that you don't have pro-d (professional development) days, where the students get a day off of school and the teachers learn new skills and pedagogy and such.

[@vercingetorix5708]

Special Education is Federally funded. Education was never meant to be primarily funded by local governments. It used to be that the state and federal governments make sure all schools are adequately funded and then local governments would provide extra funding. During the 50s and 60s NYC had one of the best public school systems on the planet. The government wanted wealthy people to have a stake in public schools and not just ALWAYS send their kids to private schools like in the UK. Like everything in America, this system collapsed when racist people decided it was better to burn the system down than to allow black people to benefit from it.

[@gatsbysdead]

It was not until I got to college, took my first programming course, and learned about binary, octal, and hex that I understood how numbers work. It was a true lightbulb moment. I took CALCULUS in high school and this was the first time in my life that arithmetic made sense. After the awe finally wore off, I just thought of the years of rote memorization I suffered through, the overwhelming confusion that came from staring at pages of complex notation because the fundamental building blocks were never explained to me. I could do the math, but I always struggled because I didn’t know WHY I was doing things this way. It made me think of the kids who had the same feelings as I did with even more basic math, and my heart hurt. It’s messed up.

[@balijosu]

Yep calculus was where it all fell together for me too.

[@finnothy3897]

same! and to your point, i think you’d appreciate the essay “a mathematician’s lament” by paul lockhart. it touches on some things you mentioned, like the lack of explanation in mathematic fundamental building blocks

[@davestrider2045]

I keep trying to tell my friends that numbers are really crazy and kind of confusing but they never seem to get it. I’m glad someone else has found it fun and informative to work and play with different bases and number systems. Really makes you think.

[@Azeria]

I’m ‘a creative’: I’ve worked as a graphic designer, I have an undergrad degree in VFX and I’m studying a Masters in Content Creation. The issue I have with ‘STEAM’ as a concept is that it feels more like someone is trying to ‘legitimise’ the arts by tacking them onto STEM, rather than anything else. Creative subjects shouldn’t need ‘hard subjects’ to be seen as a legitimate, valid area of study. It’s at the very very least, a very badly named concept.

[@zacharymartin9276]

Maybe you should watch the video before commenting.

[@Azeria]

@@zacharymartin9276 I did actually but go off

[@angelahull9064]

Yeah, what the art part is about is really for design. Engineers and architects need to be able to design. Plus, there is a need for scientific illustration. I have a kid who likes to draw realistic cars.

[@musicfriendly12]

This has been a problem ever since modern art truly fused into modern academic circles. The truth is that the arts can be much more complex than the "STEMs"... But the issue is that art shouldn't have to be about researching things, and academia is overly focused in trying to do research and "push something"... In my perspective, art is mostly about trying to truly decode and interpret something that has already been done fundamentally, but in another thing... As a musician, basically I think research should be, "a truly good analysis of this work is this, I'll know do it in this different work and try to understand it through that lens"...

[@zzord]

I also thought that STEAM was just STEM+Art and to be honest, I found it difficult to appreciate the reason for it. But the way you define it, it makes so much more sense. I think the acronym is just misleading. Popping the A in the middle of STEM doesn't communicate that the A has a totally different reason for being there.

[@glenmorrison8080]

I completely agree. I had the same misunderstanding of "STEM + Art", but as Angela explains this, I realize it totally describes the approach I take in my work as a college bio lecturer. Minimal memorization, emphasis on creativity and critical thinking, greater social context... Glad to learn what it actually means, but I think the meaning of the acronym is probably already ruined by wide misunderstanding.

[@Dragrath1]

I also misunderstood this yeah the acronym has readily been misunderstood by and large. And given the larger societal context and big money interests briefly discussed in the latter half of this video I wouldn't be surprised to learn that was intentional given the opponents of effective accessible education for all are deeply connected wealthy oligarchs and the conservative think thanks they constructed to effectively eliminate social mobility cementing a neo-feudal fascist authoritarian state. This project 2025 stuff is terrifying how was something this large and blatantly evil allowed to slip under the radar? So deeply troubling.

[@fedweezy4976]

Yeah.. i honestly dont even fault people for assuming that because thats what that acronym is communicating. It may not be their intention, but instead of calling it artistic STEM or A-STEM you put the method of teaching in the same box as the subjects being taught and wonder ehy people think art classes are now a part of STEM

[@UnlimitedLives1960]

Show of hands for changing it to STEMU

[@angelahull9064]

It's A for Art because using a D for Design will make for a weird acronym

[@yds6268]

I love Steam. All my games are there

[@soopahsoopah]

Capitalist stooge

[@Mezog001]

Game on.

[@elkudos1]

Personally, I am a GOG kind of gamer.

[@DahVoozel]

So many bundles bought for a single title...

[@trombonegamer14]

Steam deck is a game changer btw

[@HITABikes]

When I moved to Canada people were like "was it bc of trump?" And I was like "naaaawww it was bc of Reagan"

[@MooImABunny]

lolll

[@REALfreaky]

Dude how? I've been on the express entry waiting list for over a year. My application hasn't moved an inch

[@HITABikes]

@@REALfreaky are you Canadian experience class? Are you waiting for an ITA or for an intake to come in below your points threshold? The only advice I can offer is to try and get a provincial nomination to boost your points if you're at that stage and be patient because the machine moves in fits and starts. We immigrated in 2016 and it took from April 2016 to August 2017 but I was already working here. Bon chance!

[@meesalikeu]

no worries m8 thousands took your place. 🎉

[@VanguardSupreme]

Based and cool-pilled…since the 1980’s, apparently.

[@janedoe3043]

1 dollar spent in pre-K education leads to nearly 3 dollars in savings in government spending due to savings in poverty interventions such as medicaid, corrections, law enforcement, and other similar programs.

[@ConductiveFoam]

The free lunch of public spending

[@rotmohawk2115]

I like it when you talk about politics. As a European, whenever someone tells me they're not political, the example I use is "If you think children should be well educated without going into debt, you have political opinion".

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

Hell, literally even "THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT US TO BOIL ALIVE AND THEN EAT THE POOR CHILDREN???!" is a political opinion.

[@keegster7167]

When some people say thy're not political, they just mean by it that they're independent of any party, i.e., not partisan. Of course, I just say I'm independent, which is the stricter word for this.

[@rotmohawk2115]

@@Blox117 As I tried to explain, any ideas about how people ought to live together are politics. You just don't tend to notice political themes because they usually follow the neoliberal baseline. Hollywood is the world's biggest propaganda machine and always has been. When Star Wars was about the abolishment of democracy through a fascist plot, no one complained, but when the main character was female suddenly it was too political for many. Clearly it wasn't politics then that people disliked, but something else.

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

@@Blox117 If you think your games or entertainment aren't political, then buddy I got news for you.

[@CS_____]

too many people think politics just means anything they don't like, and don't seem to realise ignoring politics just means getting more things you don't like

[@TheReykjavik]

There is also an even bigger lag with parents of students being even further behind. When I was in high school, there were a lot of complaints about learning how to do math that nobody would ever use. Then common core came out, with an emphasis on the problem solving skills and a deeper understanding of the underlying concepts, rather than on the mechanics of getting to the right answer for a test. And parents immediately threw a fit.

[@brendanh8193]

What did they complain about? Was it the problem solving skills or some other issues?

[@violet_broregarde]

The complaints I've seen of Common Core are when they focus on the outputs of intuition. Like the classic example is "make a ten to do 8+5." Like I think most of us intuitively do 8+2+3 already but it's something that should happen on its own as mathematical maturity, rather than being taught "this is what the smart people do, your homework is do it." Because then it's just another thing that they memorize rather than happening naturally over time.

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@violet_broregardethis 100%. So many of the complaints about common core mathematics are about it's emphasis on patterns instead of mechanics.

[@TheReykjavik]

@@brendanh8193 A lot of it was "this isn't how I was taught" with no further thought. And a lot of it was "this is needlessly complicated, you can just get the answer by doing X".

[@kindlin]

@@violet_broregarde Maybe it was just the specific way you phrased it, but I had literally no idea what "make a ten to do 8+5" was supposed to mean, until I backed it out after seeing your answer of 8+2+3, which even then it's necessary to notice that 8+2 =10 per the initial prompt. If this is what the parents are trying to go thru, I understand their frustration. The concept itself is so blatantly obvious that I think everyone already knows it and does it, but when presented in such an unintuitive form, even people that work with math daily don't get it immediately. For context, this is all just the definition of how our base-10 numbers work. Doing calculations, addition, multiplications, or their inverses, are all easier when starting with nice single digits and factors of 10. This is all just going right back around to this video's premise, a failure in explaining the concept properly to the people actually trying to do the teaching.

[@Xplodicon]

"You can sing while you work in the oilfield" Lol I definitely held the misconception that STEAM included Art. Thanks for this video.

[@tunateun]

Today I learned that in America teachers don't get paid during the summer

[@Flashv28]

3rd world country

[@AzDraon1]

It depends on the state and school district. Many give the option to teachers to collect paychecks during the summer.

[@pascallovre2382]

In my district their pay for the year is spread throughout the entire year and they aren't supposed to do any work in the summer as they aren't getting pay for that time, but most do some amount. They also get paid more than the number she quoted in the video, but its in a high cost of living city with a strong union,

[@beegchocobo]

@@tunateun it depends. My old district spread out my contract salary over the entire year.

[@omardiaz6255]

In my third world country, teachers get paid in summer, i was a teacher for a couple of years

[@middlenerd178]

High schooler here… teachers absolutely still “sort” kids. My band instructor was shocked that I’m really good at math and science, and my biology teacher was surprised when I mentioned playing the trumpet. There is definitely a certain part of it that is assigning a single trait to a student and then being surprised when they challenge that definition. When I was younger, my teachers told me I should “cure cancer”. I liked putting math concepts into art projects, and art teachers would tell me I should try to think outside the box a bit more. Kids are allowed to be one thing only from a very young age. It’s not a problem to encourage kids to explore their interests. It is a problem if you only encourage kids when they have the “right” interests. Also… my school’s art teacher just got fired and they aren’t replacing her. Our band and orchestra classes are constantly on the table for budget cuts, despite being a largely successful program. Our choir teacher barely gets paid, and has been working to get a full time job on our school. “We’re expanding our STEAM classes, like culinary science and digital arts!” Finally… the state of the “gifted classes”. I cannot speak to every school, after all I’ve said my school district is still considered good. I was supposed to skip a few grades, and I didn’t. That was absolutely on my parents for not letting me. But as a result, I kind of just sat in the corner of classes for years and didn’t do anything? Some teachers tried. My third grade teacher printed out extra math worksheets for me. But for YEARS, the school would ask my parents to move me up at least one grade, mom said no, and the school would say “okay, nothing we can do then!” And I would go back to the broom closet where they put the ten kids who already knew long division. I didn’t have to study for a test until EIGHTH GRADE. I had to sit down with my eighth grade English teacher and ask her to explain studying strategies. All this to say, when a school spots a gifted kid, they shove them towards STEM and decide to give them an incredibly loose curriculum to follow because we already meet standards. I meant to stop after the first part, so thanks if you read the entire rant :)

[@foxglovelove8379]

Reading this really reminded me of my math education, which was basically me teaching myself out of a book because I was too far ahead. Of course, I'm in my 30s, so you can rest assured that what you're experiencing is nothing new.

[@middlenerd178]

Lol, yep, I do online classes now, but in fifth grade I learned using a textbook and a notebook because I ran out of curriculum too quickly. Same thing happened to my friend a few years older, same thing happened to my aunt… it’s not a new issue

[@autofel]

28:22 bush: "we owe the children of America a good education and today begins a new era" * Little kid starts crying in the background * How cinematic...

[@Ryukachoo]

Nothing on this earth got me into engineering more than a lego mindstorms set for Christmas when i was like, 8. Building and programming actual robots from lego is a pretty transformative experience

[@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ]

Agreed, Lego mindstorm and technic are to this day some of the best kids toys to get them to like engineering. Erector sets/vex robotics are like the next level up that too

[@idontwantahandlethough]

oh man those were awesome, totally forgot about those!!

[@ArchIVEDCinema]

Hell yeah! Mindstorms were awesome!

[@minerscale]

Robotics these days is so easy to get into! Chemistry is getting harder to get into. You used to be able to buy chemistry sets with included radium! They banned all the fun chemicals for the kiddies. I must say that that's probably a good thing.. but there's gotta be a middle ground!

[@EvelynNdenial]

@@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ god vex is expensive though. i remember doing it competitively back in highschool and we put together thousands and still didnt have enough to build what we wanted.

[@WilliamWallace14051]

Is anyone else a little disappointed she didn't say "... Just throwing slime at your kid and hoping it sticks ..."?

[@MrSamwise25]

Eyyyyyy

[@dyip-vb1wl]

@@MrSamwise25eyyyyyy

[@vsiegel]

What she said was close enough.

[@beegchocobo]

Hey hey. Engineer turned science and math educator turned engineer here. It certainly is sensible to say “stop working for free”, and I think most teachers would agree with you. Unfortunately, we are often placed into a moral dilemma as teachers where we are forced to choose between a work life balance and providing a high quality of education to our students. When I was teaching I wanted nothing more than to show kids how to really understand the creativity of math and physics, but to do this well I had to sacrifice myself. The classrooms are jam packed with students from dramatically different educational backgrounds. Many of them are on IEPs/504s or even don’t speak english as a first language. It is an impossible task that many of us try to do well by working off the clock. Inevitably we burn out. New teachers don’t last long nowadays. Alternative licensure programs are scrambling to fill the vacancies because so few people want to go into education anymore.

[@dalesheldon-hess552]

That was the joke.

[@megapussi]

No good deed goes unpunished.

[@GSBarlev]

This reminds me about how, moreso than any other group, teachers get brutally vilified when they go on strike.

[@lunasophia9002]

@@beegchocobo Did you see that video Angela did about people who summarize the video in a comment? Yeah, that's you right now.

[@beegchocobo]

@@lunasophia9002 Just illustrating some of the day to day problems educators face through a personal anecdote. While not separate from the systemic attack on education that Angela discusses, I do think it is still worth saying.

[@Yordleton]

When I was a Music Education major in university, it was surprising how often people would tell me my degree was going to be useless TO MY FACE. It always felt like they were being disingenuous, as obviously we live in a world where people love music and consume it more than ever. It never felt like a waste of time to me, and it was pretty much the only thing I wanted to do. I just don't see how spitting out another future Lockheed-Martin employee is considered more useful to society than musicians. Crazy how we still suffer from Reaganite Cold-Warrior brain rot, even all these years later.

[@mujtabaalam5907]

Music, like acting or football, is infinitely scaleable. Obviously music *education* isn't.

[@gavin9088]

I loved my band classes! Many of my coworkers were band kids too. Music education is necessary and enriched my childhood far more than any stem class did and I still ended up as a mechanic engineer.

[@camgere]

Go out to a bar tonight. There will be a 50 year old musician who is really good and has been playing for 40 years, since elementary school. He works at the post office.

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

​@@camgereand probably they're happier than you'll ever be ;)

[@camgere]

@@GeekProdigyGuy It's good when people are happy.

[@patrickarmshaw]

‘Science isn’t political’. I’m sure Galileo will be happy to hear it.

[@SpaceFlamingo07]

True!

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

There's a big difference between science (systematic discovery of truth and invention of predictive theories) and science (human institution). The same applies to art.

[@ekki1993]

​@@GeekProdigyGuyThere is also science (the scientific consensus), which is similar to the institution but still different. They are all political anyways. The institution for obvious reasons, the consensus because it's what an institution agrees in and the scientific method because it's interpreted by those institutions (e.g. oral history not being taken seriously but written records being taken as unequivocally true when there's some grey area to both)

[@thetimebinder]

The science wasn't political. The religion was.

[@custos3249]

Especially the social sciences. Definitely nothing political there. Nope. Not. At. All.....

[@windowdoog]

My 6th grade chemistry teacher made us memorize the entire periodic table. Despite there being ya know a table we could look at. I am still bitter I know the atomic weight of lithium is 6.94. There was a flippin chart on the wall Mr. H! Those hours couldn’t have been used on something else?

[@lbgstzockt8493]

Forcing some sixth graders to memorize a large and complex table sounds a lot easiert than teaching anything of value, which is probably why it happened.

[@RADARTechie]

He should have taught how to READ and UNDERSTAND the table rather than basic memorization. Knowing how the table works allows you to understand all chemistry, which lets you understand biology, which lets you understand psychology, etc etc etc.

[@MercuryCold]

Unless I'm wrong I think they're numbered

[@yaldabaoth2]

I have a PhD in chemistry and i know the elements in order but that comes with the territory. Learning the weights, though... why? What was that teacher thinking? I mean I use carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, chlorine, bromine weights basically every day but ask me weight of Ruthenium and im out. Just look it up.

[@nemsleep1336]

I don't think memorizing the periodic table is even obligatory for anyone, chemists just remember it because they've checked the table thousands of times already and it stuck.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

This made me think that STEAM was simply a bad acronym choice. I agree that K-12 education is not career training. Same thing with the Associate's portion of a Bachelor's degree. I cringe every time I heard a fellow engineer say "why did I have to take humanities courses?" - and I'm like "college is not a technical school, it's supposed to make you well rounded". That said, once you're in college, you do need to consider your career. One of my friends went to a prestigious school and got a Bachelor's in classical guitar. Spent 5 figures having a custom guitar made for his playing style. Anyway he's been graduated three years and he's a level 2 IT technician at a large organization, because rent and benefits have to come from somewhere. Oh and by the way, "passing while knowing nothing" has made it's way into the university level, which is why Bachelor's degrees have become so worthless. When I started on my Master's degree and became a teaching assistant, I was SHOCKED at how poor some of the student's skills were. They were juniors and had lower writing proficiency than I did in high school.

[@JanVerny]

I can't compare 1:1, I didn't study in the USA, but I've heard all these same takes opinions and complaints when I was in school. But maybe, maybe the place that I literally have to go to if I don't want to starve to death, should probably focus on what I want and not on making me a well rounded person. Maybe if 10+h of my day weren't wasted by an institution that didn't actually care about teaching me anything I wanted to learn, maybe then I could make myself a well rounded person on my own.

[@jonathanlochridge9462]

Well in my view, if high school was actually good enough then I don't think an engineer would need more than a technical writing, and maybe some social science/writing heavy science courses. Writing is really important for science, less so for engineering, but engineering really relies on science and involves lot's or report writing too. And communication. Soooo, yeah. But honestly most students going into engineering college could barely write an essay. That got fixed by the end of the first year though, but still. Like high school essays and college essays are completely different beast. I actually learnt decent persuasive writing in highschool, and college classes were still a big step up. And I actually like writing. ( I did do community colleges cheaply which really taught me a lot about writing cheaply) Now often they already know calculus going in, since they tend to discriminate and only want to let in students who did really well in math in highschool. Not all of them though. But a lot of engineering students only barely have the algebra down and have to really knuckle down there. We had a saying that algebra is what made or breaked whether you could get past junior year in engineering. Almost all of the work is like systems of equations algebra equations. the concepts in calculus is important, but most of the time you can just hit the integrate or differentiate button on your calculator. But there are actually a lot of engineering students who are also musicians for some reason. I think it's because music is more acceptable of a hobby in middle class households than other forms of art maybe? and most people going into engineering school I saw were firmly middle class, Not all of course.

[@smergthedargon8974]

It didn't make me well-rounded, it just made me loath the subjects. English classes, throughout my whole life, taught me nothing.

[@seventeenraccoonsinatrenchcoat]

loving that hard pivot in the middle to acknowledging the elephant currently standing on top of our chest

[@dyip-vb1wl]

Poetic 🧐🧐

[@Enjoyurble]

*chests 17 racoons would have 17 chests. I am a STEAM now, yes?

[@charlesparr1611]

It's a nice rhetorical technique, I can't remember the name of it, but what it does is it pulls your audience in so you can spring some facts on them that they would normally dismiss. it's classically used to jar closed minds open, stimulate debate, and even cause audience members you have no hope of reaching to leave in disgust. It's quite a powerful technique when used well, and I think Ms Collier used it extremely well here. She is truly a gem.

[@charlesparr1611]

@@Enjoyurble Or possibly a raccoon, given your phrasing...

[@chipdenman863]

@@charlesparr1611 pacing

[@Nathouuuutheone]

The whole "science is creative" thing makes me think of the principle by which scientific models are NOT made from data and experiment, they are made from our imagination and THEN compared to the data. Kinda blew my mind when I learned that.

[@karma.suture]

As a pre med bio degree holder, and artist, who is now a teacher (my dad died from coronavirus when I was studying to the MCAT a few years ago), I cannot express enough how much I appreciate this video. Arts skills are job transferable as a science teacher and I use them to enhance my classroom daily.

[@christopherknight4908]

Came for the science, stayed for the revolution.

[@brucemastorovich4478]

STEAMR

[@brucemastorovich4478]

Sorry, commented before the revolution, also the best part

[@rcoder01]

More "common sense" than "revolution"

[@jorgemontes290]

@@brucemastorovich4478 STREAM

[@DeFaulty101]

@@rcoder01 The one doesn't contradict the other.

[@SamNeedsCoffee]

I was going to make an off hand joke about the future of public education, and it turned out the second half of the video was about that.

[@rainbowkrampus]

The real joke was the US education system all along.

[@SamNeedsCoffee]

@@rainbowkrampus Hah!

[@dysxleia]

This video started as a fun little review on an idea, and blossomed into one of the most banger callouts of what is going on in US education. What a dramatic and awesome pivot right in the middle of the video.

[@pihwht]

Very good. Very apt. I'm a retired English teacher turned librarian who spent a bit of time working with classroom teachers to work up programs for their bored, angry, frustrated students by talking to them and finding out what they wanted to learn about. One kid I remember spent hours during fifth grade a day in the library studying rocks. He set up a lab testing rocks. Students and teachers brought him stuff to identify. and later became a geologist. There were a bunch of other kids like that; writing stories, building/repairing computers, building webpages, but things like that ended when "no child" was implemented. Tim in the classroom was one of the very important metrics. It was much more important to keep the disruptive child in his chair than it was to have that child thinking and learning.

[@Scottagram]

I've opened three random pages of Project 2025 and already found "deregulate hydrofluorocarbons" and "eliminate dietary guidelines". The third heading I found is "Counter China’s Belt and Road Initiative". The vague notion of a counterweight against China's global trade infrastructure is not in itself bad, global trade networks should indeed not be controlled by any one nation. What disturbed me however was that this sub-heading was inside Chapter 4- Department of Defense. "Task USSOCOM and corresponding organizations in the Pentagon with conceptualizing, resourcing, and executing regionally based operations to counter the BRI with a focus on nations that are key to our energy policy, international supply chains, and our defense industrial base." Translation: Project 2025's answer to China building ports and train tracks in Africa is to send in commandos.

[@piedpiper1172]

They tell on themselves by still calling it Belt and Road, which China itself no longer does. It’s particularly infuriating to me as a genuine “I believe America must remain hegemon” Hawk. Project 2025’s solution to China eclipsing our influence in Africa and South America by making genuine capital and social investments (often predatory, sure, but still real investments tangible to people on the ground) is… more of the same failed policy that left the opening for China to eclipse us to start with. And that boggles the mind. “We stopped making genuine investments and we’ve sent in commandos for 50 years and it hasn’t worked. Our influence has massively declined and now a rival is making investments and they’re gaining influence. Clearly, we should send more commandos.” 😵‍💫 Like, bro, what? Anyway, just wanted you to know that there are earnest American hawks who agree with you that project 2025 is utterly unhinged, even on topics like this.

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

I mean, look at what the US did to Latin America. It's a classic counter to *Le communism!*

[@GodIwishIknew]

The us has always done this, they are just saying the quiet part out loud now Edit: refering to the commandos and overthrowing vaguely non us-aligned countries (frequently a democratically elected socialist government)

[@ekki1993]

​@@GodIwishIknewI mean, yeah, but it's still important to point out that it is bad.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

​@@GodIwishIknewThe issue is modern CIA trying to distance themselves from their objectively evil and fucked past, which this project seems to mean to make it an indefinite reality

[@dreamcoyote]

Funny pipe cleaner story. When I was like 10 at a friend's birthday party we had a scavenger hunt for the afternoon. We had to go around the neighborhood looking for things and knocking on doors and asking people for stuff on our list. At one house, a thirty-something guy answered the door in dress pants and a tie, no shirt. It was.. odd, and he looked a little disheveled. He was like "sorry.. um.. don't have any of that..." and then this young woman in a bathrobe came forward and looked at the list and was like "OH! I have pipe cleaners! Wait here and I'll go find them!" The guy looked.. not happy. She explained when she came back that she was a teacher and had them for class. When we got a little older we figured out that they were, um.. "enjoying the afternoon" and some kids had knocked on the door with a stupid scavenger hunt list and she so loved kids that she stopped that "enjoyment" to help us out :D. Teachers are awesome. They do it because they really care.

[@_frogerino]

sending kids to knock on random strangers door bothering them for random objects is a psychotic birthday party activity

[@kumoyuki]

you win the comments section. This story should be pinned.

[@mallninja9805]

@@_frogerino there was a time when we didn't hate and fear our neighbors. And yeah, the kidnapping rate was like 0.0001% higher. Tell me we're better off today.

[@fedweezy4976]

​@@_frogerinonot that psychotic when the media was only starting to fearmonger about stranger danger (the statistically least likely kind of danger) and neighborhoods used to be actual communities.

[@ilexdiapason]

evidently they _stop_ doing it because they really care, too

[@Alexander_Grant]

In undergrad I studied physics and I definitely developed into that second type of person in thinking I was morally superior. I saw it often from my physics classmates as well. I took an intro philosophy course my junior year and thought it was going to be one of those easy "go to class twice a month" courses and it was going to be a joke. I quickly changed my tune once I started reading the required material. It became one of my favorite classes I ever took and sparked a deep interest in philosophy I carry to this day over 10 years later, and I think significantly improved the way I think and my everyday way of thinking in a huge way, almost as much as watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos when I was in high school. To me it seems like that "being a better person" thing fizzles out once some maturity is reached. I guess for some people they never reach that maturity though.

[@craven5328]

This makes sense! Philosophy birthed science (at one point science was called "natural philosophy" in the ancient Greek world).

[@polygondeath2361]

@@craven5328 there’s a reason PhD’s are doctors of philosophy!

[@aditya_a]

"public school is not job training, it's about education" 🎯

[@judychurley6623]

Since I took my education with me to every one of my jobs, maybe it is both.

[@thecompl33tnoob]

"The current structure of learning was invented *specifically* so that it would produce obedient workers rather than intelligent doers or knowledge seekers..." Is what I would have said a few months ago. But talking about this topic with some friends lead to this eye-opening article in Washington Post from a few years back. Google "No, Public Schools are Not Modeled After Factories Washington Post Valerie Strauss" to read it. In short, the "factory model" is something that was never true of education, and the reason that it seems that way is due to post-WWII and Reagan-era + Bush-era policies that tried to treat all kids as if they were exactly the same, which of course is not the right method when you're trying to shoehorn justice by ignoring each child's (and each district's) history and environmental factors.

[@aarondonald1611]

False, it's literally training people to be good workers who can be up and work an 8-5 job. Why else would they have kids get up so early when science says they need more sleep than adults?

[@aditya_a]

@@aarondonald1611 well ya I agree, I’m just saying it should NOT be this way

[@sirduckoufthenorth]

Sure feels like it though

[@Hyo9000]

You, Angela Collier, are a treasure to the world. Please keep existing. We need your voice here.

[@6pades]

this turned into a surprisingly educational video about current policies and i’m so seated for it

[@queenvrook]

In 1973, Richard Nixon also changed Federal education funding from being designated to buying educational materials, to being "block grants" which the state could spend however they wanted. As a result, many school are still using textbooks that haven't been replaced since 1973, because the states used the block grant to pay salaries and quit buying materials.

[@charlesspringer4709]

Geometry hasn't changed. And maybe they avoided 5 generations of experimental education nonsense. In fact I'm sure they did. Anyway education is a State concern. It isn't anywhere in the Constitution and the Federal Depart of Ed has been a burden and should not exist.

[@WizardofoOZeAU]

What I also learned today: People should really listen to Angela all the way through!

[@WizardofoOZeAU]

The gravy is at the end.

[@GSBarlev]

You'd think we'd have learned our lesson after the "my dark matter video was a failure" video.

[@The-Nil-By-Mouth]

So true... needed a warning - don't comment until you've finished watching :)

[@yoavshati]

Science Technology Engineering Angela's videos are great Math

[@victoriap1561]

"universal day care would cost very little " she said that, it's not true

[@hellaradusername]

Matt Walsh actually rented an apartment in a school district where his children did not attend school just so he could go to school board meetings and complain about "woke" nonsense. I don't remember why it was this particular school district, but it's deranged and is a shocking amount of time and money to spend on a thing when he has a wife, kids, and a job being mad online

[@orterves]

I get the feeling that's more of a publicity stunt, with a goal of paying off the investment with clicks, rather than being a nuisance being the end goal

[@kylegonewild]

@@orterves Uh...no. Being a nuisance was literally the end goal. It was a publicity stunt though. The Daily wire is fucking loaded. He has no financial problem at all pissing away a few grand to sign a short-term lease just to harass people. He took up speaking time that actual residents with children in the school district could have had to fearmonger about trans kids. An outsider with no ties to the community showing up to stir shit and offend people.

[@SeaCowsBeatLobsters]

Louden county

[@hellaradusername]

@@SeaCowsBeatLobsters Why there, did they speak out against teen pregnancy?

[@vognerful]

I believe it was part of his "what is a woman" movie where he pretends to be "journalist", and then go to school board meetings to shout how they are "turning the kids gay"

[@ckb625]

Thank you, Angela. More people need to actually listen to what the Republicans are saying and how insane their plans are. I hope this video gets some attention.

[@Rauschgenerator]

I think most people do not have the knowledge or intellectual properties to actually understand how devastating nationalists, autocratists and capitalists ideas really are.

[@kellybmackenzie]

05:07 Thank you **so much** for saying this. As a Computer Science major I've met **so many** people who genuinely consider themselves morally superior to folks who pursue the arts. It's exhausting.

[@aconcretemoth9382]

I run into this as well. It’s self-serving ego stuff, but it’s also a trick of our language. “Virtue” also means “manliness” “excellence” “ability” “power” etc. Some people believe that to be morally good is to be virtuous in this sense: to be powerful in the sense of excellent. Our society then says “oh, the computer guy is awesome, let’s give him power and money.” So power becomes goodness. This is also why Christianity falls prey to the prosperity gospel-it’s a bug in our language and concepts, I think. The really morally good person can be found in any profession, job, religion, circumstance, income level, education level.

[@doggle433]

The first time i saw STEAM the 'A' stood for 'architecture'...

[@disconductorder]

does this mean I get a raise?

[@m802001]

That’s my understanding too.

[@NeonNijahn]

I thought 'A' was for "Apple".

[@icantseethis]

Don't play with us - you saw steam you thought CounterStrike:Source - don't lie

[@GrinninPig]

​@@disconductorder😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@StigmataTickles]

Every time I think about how I gave up on studying art at 18 to focus on an Electrical Engineering degree, hated it, dropped out and became an electronics technician that makes an equivalent wage to the animator job I was aiming for I die a little bit more inside. Follow your interests kids...

[@Imaginecat22]

I'm on the other side of the coin. Wanted to write novels, went to get an Electrical Engineering degree instead because I didn't want to be poor. I remember marveling at how comparatively good the other students were at math, and feeling weird being unusually good at writing for an engineer. I succeeded, somehow, and I'm... almost not poor, but I still sure would like to write a book. Unfortunately I don't have much time to practice, because of the job. :/ (I made some later career changes which helps get me more practice time, but I was only able to make those changes because I got extremely lucky.)

[@smokejaguar986]

Nah you have an actual productive and successful career now, if you chose to be an artist you'd likely be living on the street

[@ZacDonald]

It's weird to me how critical the tech art bridge is for videos game development, but for some reason people like to treat them like tech and art aren't related. Tech artists jobs are always in demand and pay well.

[@SciFlyGal]

More education makes people less conservative. A lot of the initial STEM push was conservatives thinking that it was liberal arts that made people less conservative, so focusing on the sciences and engineering would keep people more conservative. Except it doesn’t. I’m a professional scientist, there are functionally no republican physicists in my field. The handful that are republicans are either super religious, or identify as such but don’t agree with them on anything.

[@shanemitchell7822]

Been following you for a while and I gotta say this is my favorite video of yours. I’m a middle school science teacher and I see how STEAM (among other things) has great potential but we aren’t being properly trained for it. You put into words a lot of things I’ve been feeling. Please consider doing more videos about education policy. This was insightful and well put!

[@nefariousyawn]

"Stay in your lane." Take the whole damn highway, you speak the truth.

[@nefariousyawn]

Also on the note of things being political, people only say that when it's politics they don't like. Of course science is political, there's a whole party dedicated to science denialism and writing policy to reflect that.

[@JulianSildenLanglo]

There's so many people that use "political" as a slur.

[@piedpiper1172]

@@JulianSildenLangloThat by design. Roger Ailes’ white paper that became FOX News literally pointed to the history of strong patriotism and political engagement by progressives/leftists/anyone not a Neoliberal bootlicker as the primary cause of his party’s failures (specifically Nixon’s removal from office, but also more broadly). Ailes’ proposed solution was a dedicated media channel pushing their narrative to subvert patriotism from liberals and push the idea that politics is limited to only what his side defines it as. And it’s worked.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

By 'staying in your lane' do you mean pupils staying at the same level/same station in life that they started in ?

[@unstablepc5913]

The way you presented STEAM education is actually how I received my physics education. I was blessed with great professors.

[@parzival8108]

yeah when she was talking about the Bohr model and was like describing the buildup to how Niels Bohr came up with it instead of just rote memorization is exactly how i learned it. i know i got lucky with fantastic physics teachers in high school but they always talked about different physicists and their thought processes behind different ideas and the historical experiments that supported them and everything. it was never just "Isaac Newton said F=ma and therefore it is." my school never embraced "STEAM" though so i think that was just up to my teachers

[@TomFarrell-p9z]

Fun fact, pipe cleaners used to be used for cleaning pipes. (The kind with tobacco that were smoked.) We should add history to make SHTEAM. Or maybe not.

[@AdrianBoyko]

I thought that pipe cleaners were for cleaning the very thin pipes that make up the Internet! 😱

[@AdrianBoyko]

LGBSHTEAMQ+

[@samsowden]

my dad still uses them to this effect. i wonder if their usefulness in crafts is the greatest obstacle to him quitting smoking...

[@Alexander_Grant]

@@AdrianBoyko A series of tubes!

[@violet_broregarde]

Ironically METHS is probably a better way of getting at what is actually meant by STEAM (the history of these discoveries, what motivated them, what experiments were done to refine their theories, etc)

[@speakwithanimals]

thank you for this video. people need to be made aggressively aware of project 2025 and it's so frustrating to NOT see it talked about everywhere. also you totally helped me understand STEAM for the first time! please keep it up ✨

[@WastingtimeInc]

It's odd that I'm actually starting to see people talking about it everywhere but just in my bubble

[@jacobharris5894]

Absolutely. I feel like when I’ve tried to share how bad it is with apolitical people, they think I’m insane. People seem to have this idea they can safely ignore politics without any consequences but this is how dictatorships rise and democracies fall. I’m afraid by the time most Americans wise up and realize we’re not being hyperbolic, it’ll be too late.

[@rawnet101]

“Imagine Jurassic Universe - we’re gonna have to watch that” is the sickest burn I have ever had the pleasure to hear. Super thanks for that, Angela. 😂

[@GrantSR]

I just turned 64. I remember, when I was about 6 (1966), that my mother was complaining about conservatives trying to destroy education. And she WASN'T saying that they had just started. She was saying that they had been doing it for a very long time already. BUT, we have to remember, the original purpose of the education system was to teach the children of dirt poor farmers just enough so they wouldn't break the mills that the mill owners wanted those children to work in. Plus, to indoctrinate children into the idea that they have to show up at a certain time and do what some authority figure told them to do all day. The teachers just "got it twisted" and decided that children should actually be, you know, educated. So, the conservatives and capitalists have simply been trying to drag us back to that original purpose all along. Not saying that the capitalists are right. Just that that is what they are thinking. We have to realize that the structure of the entire system is specifically designed to keep people only just educated enough to benefit the capitalists, but without threatening the capitalists in any way. Thus, we need an entirely different system. What that is, I cannot say. But I know the train wreck we have now is not it.

[@GSBarlev]

That's good historical context, but the "working in mills" of 2024 is "working in Silicon Fabs." That is, our economy today _depends_ on highly skilled, qualified labor. My example wasn't pulled out of the aether-something you'll notice is that companies like Intel, TSMC is that they chased the promise of tax breaks out to Red states like Arizona, and now they're complaining they can't find enough qualified employees to build-let alone staff-those facilities. And, as Angela said, good luck _recruiting_ people to move to states where they wouldn't have bodily autonomy. My point: if "conservatives" really cared about strengthening the economy instead of picking divisive "culture wars," they would be *competing* with Progressives to fund schools.

[@GrantSR]

@@GSBarlev True, however working in silicon fabs is still closer to working in a mill than designing or engineering silicon fabs. They only want a very small portion of their employees to actually have critical thinking skills. The rest, they want to simply move their arms where they were told to move their arms. And do what the display on the machine tells them to do next.

[@charlesspringer4709]

Public education is 100% Progressive and always has been. The Education schools worship Dewey and Freire no matter how horribly wrong they were. They love to experiment on entire generations of children as they week the new brutal youth that will bring about the glorious revolution. And right now they think they have hit the formula.

[@Xeridanus]

The public education system is for mill workers yes. But the original education system was about Greek philosophy. Rich kids could go to university and then show off how intellectual they were to other rich kids (just like the ancient greek philosophers) and occasionally update our model of the solar system.

[@marcuskissinger3842]

Source for the claim about the origin of education?

[@Indecisiveness-1553]

Dr. Collier continues to be unfathomably based. 20/10 excellent video

[@oliviapg]

me in the first 26 minutes of this video: this is an interesting video about a topic I don't know much about me in the last 15 minutes of this video: this is, by far, the greatest video you've ever made (and I say this as a longtime fan) As a trans person living in America, I just want to say, thank you for being a good person, Angela, and using your platform to spread good. There are a lot of good people out there, I see them every day. I hope they vote. I hope it's enough. I hope we get to live.

[@Fordddyyy]

It's really nice to hear actual allies talking passionately. It's so easy to feel like everyone's gone fucking bonkers.

[@scottreinmuth8496]

“To develop a complete mind: Study the science of art; Study the art of science. Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

[@piedpiper1172]

38:00 Literally every public statement is definitionally political. Political opinions are literally defined as “those opinions which people express publicly.” And that’s *science* because that’s literally how political science defines “political opinions.” We have a civic duty to pay attention to and be involved in ongoing political events by voting. So it’s literally impossible to “leave your lane” by talking about politics-it’s not just in our lane, it’s our duty.

[@TheGloriusContent]

There's no scientific right way to vote and being scientifically lierate doesn't mean you know what you're talking about politically. People do step out of lanes, to great negative effect and I think you're comtting an etymological fallacy of sorts.

[@piedpiper1172]

@@TheGloriusContent It’s not possible to step out of your lane by expressing a political opinion. Your publicly expressed opinions *are* your political opinions. That’s what a political opinion is. She has political opinions, some of them are informed by her experience in science, but that doesn’t mean she must have “scientifically correct” political opinions in order to express her political opinions.

[@TheGloriusContent]

@@piedpiper1172 Not every opinion ever is a political one. If I say grindcore is a good music genre or positively review a sandwich, that's not political. As for her saying a political thing, she can and perhaps should, if she feels like it, but her meta-dialog in "long live scientific debate" I'd terrible. Being against discussing moral issues in hypotheticals is a completely indefensible anti-reason stance. If everything is political, nothing is. As well, you can make a political statement in private.

[@TheGloriusContent]

As for "duty", if you're claiming no one has a right to not make public statements, that's a stance of compelled speech. With voting, the main reason for me to vote is that someone would vote against me. 2 people can't have a duty to do precisely the opposite, civic or otherwise.

[@piedpiper1172]

@@TheGloriusContent Duty isn’t legal obligation. And you both have a civic duty to pay attention and participate to the best of your judgement. The fact that you can vote against each other is called “democracy.” The reason to vote isn’t to vote against someone, it’s because actually having the opportunity to vote isn’t the default. Most people in history have been outright subjugated. Voting is special, and it’s your civic duty to honor that privilege.

[@MuseumGuy88]

It's interesting to hear you talk about about science as not just a collection of facts, but more like a puzzle that you assemble from a vast pool of info. I would describe history, my field, pretty much exactly the same way, but it also is taught in schools as a series of facts. It's like people think kids can't be trusted with nuance or ambiguity (which are really the parts that make learning fun!).

[@lunasophia9002]

@@MuseumGuy88 If they learn the actual facts (especially about US history), they might grow into critical thinkers and vote the republicans out of office, and that would be terrible (for them).

[@hedgehog3180]

I mean that's just because all aspects of academia work in roughly similar ways. The sciences and humanities might be fundamentally different but the thing that divides them is field of research not methodology. The humanities are concerned with what is produced by humans while science is interested in everything else (and that's obviously an outdated and simplistic model), however in both areas you build up an argument by assembling it from pieces of evidence to make your argument convincing. The biggest difference is really in how that evidence is collected and the methodology for building up an argument and one can say that in science that part is generally much more rigerous and formalized while in the humanities it tends to be more open. History sits kinda halfway between the humanities and science, and you use both methods in history. You can do very rigerous scientific analysis of quantitive data in history like looking at economic data or when you use carbon dating and you can also use more humanist methods like when you are criticizing a source and select quotes from multiple sources to build up an argument.

[@CaptTerrific]

And here I thought the "A" stood for "and", because STEM wasn't fun enough

[@kyleistrying]

This video really made it click why I loved my high school physics class, my teacher was very good at having us apply what we knew and conceptually fit things together. I felt like I learned how it applied to the world around me not just how to solve problems He helped me view physics as a way of reasoning about the physical world and the equations as tools to do that reasoning not "plug and play" formulas to be memorized

[@TheBronzeDog]

I remember my high school physics a bit more fondly because he had us build stuff using the principles, like making a balanced hanging mobile to show we understood torque. My college physics was a bit more plug and chug and I didn't do so well.

[@stofosaurus]

If this woman would become president of the Earth then I feel the world would become a much more warmer, compassionate and beautiful place. I always enjoy your videos, Angela. Great job and keep them coming!

[@bulldozer8950]

Thank god you touched on the job hunting thing. People do not get it at all. My mom was telling me how I should’ve gotten an internship this summer and I was like ya I tried but none of them responded because I didn’t have a gpa yet. And then she’s like “you know when I was in college I worked at an internship at delta and it wasn’t the closest thing because I was a civil engineer, but it was a good start and you just have to put in some effort” and I’m just like omg, you really just don’t understand. That’s exactly the kind of internship I would be perfectly happy with, that just doesn’t exist, you’re talking about how the school just had all these internships to match you with and that doesn’t exist anymore, now you have to apply to at least 100 internships to get something like that that’s even somewhat related to your field. You literally have no concept of how much harder it is, your bottom line for the “it’s not really close but I guess it’s the best I can do for a first internship” is my “wow that would be an amazing first internship if I could get lucky with that, but I probably won’t be able to get it”. Like old people literally have 0 concept of applying to jobs now it’s insane.

[@GSBarlev]

Standing ducking ovation, Angela. So incredibly important. So incredibly well put. And anyone who was "turned off" by the back half of this video should really ask themselves why they feel angry watching an intelligent woman who grew up in a Red state share objective historical facts.

[@Pingviinimursu]

How do you stand and duck at the same time? 🤔🦆 But fr tho, the video was amazing and I hope it makes people think critically about their choices.

[@GSBarlev]

​@@PingviinimursuReal answer: I'm breaking in the FUTO keyboard as a replacement for Swiftkey, and the autocorrection was too amusing to undo.

[@simedinson984]

​@@GSBarlevhow is it otherwise?

[@GSBarlev]

@@simedinson984 Great! Does what it's supposed to, with a much cleaner interface.

[@edwardcosio]

ngl, the absence of face cam towards the end really gave your point way more gravitas. excellent. gonna use that energy to attend my local school board meeting

[@SpankyDePanky]

"The purpose of education is to foster self-learning, thus making itself redundant." - Infinite Lagrange

[@rpgtalkout8793]

Angela going on a fact based rant against the republican party and calling out their bs is amazing

[@McCrackenJoel]

I studied computer science in Uni, so I knew a lot of (other) CS students. But I also got to know a lot of "Computer Engineering" (CoE) students. (CoE is part of the school for engineering, and CS was part of the school of arts and sciences) What was weird to me was that most of the CS students were interesting, well-rounded, well-adjusted people - not all, many weren't into books and stuff per se, but they also weren't the kind of person who feels superior for studying STEM. But every CoE student I got to know gave this vibe/acted this way, they gave off real "I am better for being in STEM" vibes. I'm sure it doesn't really generalize, but it was weird to me how... pronounced it was. I really felt like I could predict if a person was a CS student or a CE student after talking to them about anything for a few minutes. On the one hand I guess I can understand a bit why I observed this breakdown - in my uni, CoE students basically only had hard science classes (calc, physics, chem, EE, CS, etc), and very very few gen ed requirements, tho I think the reason for this was because of a desire to cover so much of the foundational engineering knowledge, instead of a kind of superiority complex about humanities topics. Anyway, no real point to all of this, just that I observed it too, and it also makes little sense to me. But, of course, I enjoy the sciences and the humanities.

[@alexaustin6961]

Snap circuits still the best 'educational' toy my parents ever got me. My dad indoctrinated me to be an engineer since I was 3 lmao

[@Pseud0nymTXT]

I played with my brothers snap circuits even though I was doing robotics and Arduino and Pi projects

[@Demopans5990]

I still have 2 boxes of those sitting around. Here's a thing. They do more than just electrical circuits. You can make mechanical contraptions as well. Probably why I have since outgrown those and now play with a machine lathe and soldering irons

[@swozzlesticks3068]

Snap circuits were the best

[@LesSand75]

Absolute legend - the mic drop at the end! I was already a fan, and you 10x’ed my fandom. Great video, Angela!

[@seanvalentinus]

Oh sure, it’s fine when *other* people throw slime at their kids, but when *I* throw slime at their kids then I get arrested for some reason.

[@violet_broregarde]

throw *artificial* slime next time

[@frankydostal4758]

holy shit are teachers in america not paid during the summer?? we keep them on paid vacations in my country, they might be even fully compensated for that time

[@Basta11]

The problem with our education system is simply in my opinion that the teachers are just not paid enough for the level of work they do. I would honestly love to teach, but I also like to eat, provide for my family, be respected, have much time for myself, and have plenty of autonomy as a professional. Most teachers are college educated and could do almost anything and be paid way way more.

[@WizardofoOZeAU]

What I learned today: Damn it sucks to be an American teacher.

[@Pingviinimursu]

What I learned today, for like the thousandth time: Damn it sucks to be an American

[@tubbydammer]

I had no idea that teachers aren't paid over the summer. That sounds insane to me. You're too likely to lose the good ones.

[@WizardofoOZeAU]

@@tubbydammer I qualified in Australia and worked there and in London UK where you are paid an annual salary with a specified number of teaching days and pupil-free training days within the year. Even then the workload means people still often leave teaching because you can earn more for less stress with the skills a good teacher has. Making it less attractive by not paying seems like you want good teachers to quit.

[@tubbydammer]

@@WizardofoOZeAU Th UK is not perfect, but it does have initiatives like Lucy Kellaway's Now Teach charity, which brings people with experience (50+) into teaching. Not that that is a solution but it is a help.

[@chrisl6546]

A very good friend of mine from undergrad was teaching history (with a Masters degree) in Austin, TX (the tiny liberal part of TX) and could barely afford a cheap studio apartment. He gave up on teaching in the US and now teaches in international schools around the world on what are usually 2 year contracts (often renewed). He's paid many, many times better than in Austin and has a far lower cost of living. The US desperately needs to make education uniformly better and more accessible, but as Angela says, one of the political parties has been on a campaign to destroy it for 50+ years

[@Flashv28]

Im from europe At 32:20 I finally realized why the few persons I know that want to move to the US are all young males.

[@SpyDronedotGov]

Wait hold up teachers in America don't get paid in summer?

[@EternalGaze8]

Sure they do. So many teachers have families though so they opt out of summer courses.

[@samsowden]

@@EternalGaze8 you don't understand: teachers in my country will get paid through the summer. if they do summer courses, they get paid *more*.

[@CooperE16]

Yeah in Australia, teachers get paid through the school holidays. To be fair, this is somewhat like their paid annual leave and they often do work during the time off (e.g. lesson plans, writing reports). But the point is, the money doesn’t stop entering their account and they don’t feel the need to fill that time with a second job.

[@yaldabaoth2]

That is the most american thing I have ever heard.

[@solarmoth4628]

@@EternalGaze8 In other countries summer courses are optional. You still get paid throughout the summer.

[@amijacks]

love this video. but had to stop and cry and collect myself. Applause to your courage and clarity, Dr Collier. Subscribed.

[@brendanfelch2649]

When I hear her mention child labor and I say “the children yearn for the mines” right before she does. The fact we’re backsliding on children, who should be learning, having to work is nothing short of insanity. It is sickening where this country is heading and people need to wake up or get out of the way.

[@eoinbarry3915]

In Ireland and one of our colleges was trying to sell STEAM when I was applying. But they sold it as literally just being all of science + a generic arts degree. Essentially everyone I saw just gave them a baffled look and weren't sold on it. Like it just didn't make sense to people applying to courses. Now it makes more sense knowing what the term actually means

[@patrickhendron6002]

Science Technology Engineering Angela-Collier & Mathematics

[@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765]

wait... you wanna include critical thinking and excellent communication skills into our precious STEM????!!!!!!! outrageous

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 The problem is if you develop actual efficient communication skills you get points taken off for getting to the point and not meeting massively bloated word/page count numbers. I'll never forgive the English teacher than mandated 13 page essays. _13._ In subjects I could get across efficiently in _5._

[@michaelblacktree]

The pipe cleaner thing looked more like an ADHD tactic. Kinda weird how she conflated STEAM with ADHD.

[@hedgehog3180]

On that topic weirdly ADHD used to be called “Damp” in Danish which means steam, I don't know why and it's one of those old and offensive words but a lot of diseases and diagnoses just have bizarre names in Danish.

[@Xeridanus]

Dutch also has a habit of making diseases into curse words yet genitals, waste and fornication techniques are what passes as curse words in English. I think we might have it backwards.

[@Podginator1]

Have been enjoying your videos. I think it's refreshing to hear someone from a STEM background espouse not only the value of the arts, but the lack of analysis and critical thinking in the STEM fields.

[@matthewheath7839]

Are you telling me that teachers arent paid on holiday in the US? Thats downright disgusting!

[@George-rk7ts]

This is one of the most important videos I have ever seen. Doctor Angela, you are awesome!

[@johannesschutz780]

Shoutout to Mr. Rodriguez

[@Flashv28]

Best teacher 17 times in a row

[@oasntet]

Ronald fuckin' Reagan. 27:11 oof. I grew up in the state with the most expensive tuition. The saying at the time was that it was cheaper to go out-of-state basically anywhere in the country than to pay in-state tuition. That was the 90s, though, and it was obviously true. Now it's a bit less so, but still bad. There was a time when if I had had the money I needed to attend in-state in advance, I could have moved to the west coast, used the money to rent a place for a year to establish residency while working a dumb pointless job, and then paid in-state rates in any of the three west coast states, and still come out way, way ahead. STEM bros are basically the continuation of the "BS in CS" people I'd meet in my CS classes while I was getting a wider education (ending up with a "BA in CS" by default). They see no reason that humanities should be involved in STEM, and they're also accidentally backing the plan to end public education. It's not that the GOP wants to end education, they want to end the liberal arts education that produces citizens with critical thinking skills and civil awareness, so that all that is left is job training programs that produce citizens that can't complain coherently when the billionaires keep siphoning their incomes away.

[@janedoe3043]

I got a teaching degree post no child left behind and at least at my college we learned how to read research papers on education. That was actually the biggest component of every single class we took in the college of education.

[@Dovenchiko]

20:00 really feel you there. Last month I dug through and found around 100 job applications in programming. I applied to 27 jobs, which isn't a lot but I researched if I was qualified, checked application to hire ratio, researched the company and when I finally applied, called, sent cover letters, contacted people on linkedin asking how they got hired, etc. I only got a single non-automated responses (thank you for your application, etc.) from one company that had one posting. They said that I couldn't be hired because I wasn't a current residence of a handful of states. The company was the only one I found that had an active union.

[@kyay10]

Thank you for actually clarifying wth STEAM is. I heard it, as you said, mainly as a toy marketing term, so I had that confusion of "isn't that just every field of study?" but now I understand that it's exactly the type of education I prefer. Also thanks so much for educating and informing people about the insane politics around this and what Republicans intend to do with power. Great video!

[@Tommyjhonpork]

In my dream last night. You were my Professor and I was giving a presentation to you about ancient artifacts

[@liquidsonly]

Did that go well?

[@Tommyjhonpork]

@@liquidsonly she scolded me for looking at my notes

[@Pingviinimursu]

​@@TommyjhonporkWh- why? How? How could looking at your notes be bad? Isn't that what notes are for? Wtf?

[@annikarogov]

Omg dream collab is Angela and Milo Rossi/miniminuteman

[@Pingviinimursu]

@@annikarogov Angela does seem like a googledebunker 🤔 (checks easily checkable facts instead of spouting random conspiracies she comes across)

[@vampyre497]

I am someone who is starting to further their education to teach physics at the college level using STEAM skills and plans. It's something I'm really passionate about. Thank you so much talking about these issues and complications and everything therein. I have been a subscriber for a while and I very much appreciate your work and time!

[@SamChaneyProductions]

Thank you so much for being a valiant voice of reason in these dark times. Education is the foundation of any successful society and our education system is in dire straits

[@matthewrobinson9331]

Thank you!! I've been trying to say this to those around me for years but I'm often not well-spoken enough to convince them. I used to run a children's STEM program and when I started to learn about these ideas, I tried to make this a STEAM program, but I was constantly arguing with parents who misunderstand what it is about. This will help me better put the idea into words, and I'll just direct some folks right to this video.

[@Ch0c0bsessed]

Thank you for this. Every single part of this is important, and I hope everyone - especially people who (like younger me, unfortunately) believe that art education is useless because it never paid anything - watches until the end.

[@Eagledelta3]

I know someone who does some work in this area. She travels around the area during the summer to libraries using the Arts to teach STEM concepts to young children. It's really cool. I work in Software Engineering and I can't believe how much people thing Software Engineering/Programming is Logic and Math only.... There is a ton of Creativity that goes into it.

[@blackasthesky]

In maths class in high school my teacher had this approach to teaching mathematics. He'd not just list all the rules and all the formulae, he'd guide us to discover them. That would not always work well. It was often slow. But it was very refreshing and fun, at least if you were interested in maths class.

[@bryandraughn9830]

I had a similar experience with a teacher who would give us an interesting situation and ask us "how do we resolve the situation? " "If only there was a way to use the available information to resolve this?" We would already be seeking a way and he would explain how we could solve our problem. A mathematical function was like a gift! I quickly (and finally) learned how to appreciate the way that math can be applied to everything.

[@emilioovalle3070]

Not sure if this is actually part of STEAM, but as someone who graduated high school recently, I actually appreciate the way certain seemingly unrelated classes were able to connect to each other; prticularly in the AP curriculum. For example, the information taught in APES dovetailed very well with the information in Human Geo, which itself connected well with World and European History. Overall, the interplay between the different subjects ended up (at least in my experience) strengthening each of the subjects, and provided a more complex understanding of how everything fit together