Steel Vengeance is Way Better Than Iron Gwazi

[@Lakelife50]

I finally found someone who isn’t bias to to the new coaster rush

[@BackRowCoasters]

It’s not because it’s new iron gwazi is just was better

[@GamingGuy27]

This is so tru Steve is better

[@Wildcattttt]

Skyrush >>>> Steel Vengeance

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

But yet you guys would rank velocicoaster as the world's best coaster 💀

[@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853]

@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3odif someone likes velocicoaster the best then that’s fine lol there’s no 100% objective way to measure this

[@389Tman389]

Rode Iron Gwazi last week and I was not disappointed! I’m more easy going on ratings so I would call it a 10/10, but it was immediately apparent after the first ride that it’s not even logistically possible for it to be better than Steel Vengeance. It really comes down to whether the long banked hill under the lift on Gwazi is better than an entire second rollercoaster on Steel Vengeance.

[@M-NL2]

I literally feel the exact same way 😅 Like yeah that element is killer and one of the best feelings ever, but I think I'll take an full minute+ of airtime and other funky elements! I gave Iron Gwazi a 9.75/10 which I feel is still really really good 😄

[@woodskevinm]

I couldn't agree more with you on this. I don't get why people like Iron Gwazi so much but it's definitely a great ride

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

Yes!!! Top five but not top three. Both fury and steel vengeance are in my top three, divided by Velocicoaster

[@killerclown797]

Actually

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

@Bnizzofashizzo but velocicoaster ranks above iron gwazi.....

[@woodskevinm]

@@killerclown797 completely agree! It's my #2

[@chargedonpc9989]

Good comparison between the two. I never realized how similar a lot of the elements were. I haven't ridden either of them.

[@M-NL2]

Thanks! I didn't either until really looking closer at the layouts

[@SuperNorstShow]

I only have Vengeance as my #1 with Velocicoaster as my #2. Won't get IG until later this year. I have no doubt though that I will have an amazing experience. Have had very questionable experiences at BGT in the past. I hope they fixed whatever maintenance issues Montu had that caused its trains to constantly bang loudly and shake their way across its track.

[@M-NL2]

My top 2 is the exact same as yours 😅 Also interesting, I didn't experience any issues with Montu when I was there 🤔

[@coasteremocoasters9635]

You made a lot of great points here. Like A LOT!! I’m still neck and neck with they. They’re both my top 2 out of 141 at this point. I love Steel Vengeance’s length and Iron Gwazi’s aggression.

[@FinesseBTW]

I feel like a lot of people are high on Iron Gwazi only because it's the brand-new record breaking RMC. Once the new coaster fanatics are over, I wouldn't be surprised if the community changes their mind and takes Vengeance as the best RMC

[@thomasnewcomb3632]

If Great Adventure gives El Toro the RMC treatment, bothe of these coasters will have to step aside.

[@williamjones9707]

@@thomasnewcomb3632 yeah it would be over lol

[@Itsjustcam365]

@@thomasnewcomb3632 iron gwazi is my number one and bro if that happens then yea Steve is getting dethroned

[@randflam]

I have only ridden Steve but as someone who has ridden twisted cyclone dozens of times I always feel like the length is underwhelming! I can see why you put Steve in front of Iron Gwazi!

[@JaceEinerson]

Yo! I don’t know if you remember, but I’m just realizing you were the guy me and my pals met while you were operating ghost rider/ timber mountain log ride at Knotts! We were talking about your favorite woodies in the station lol! (Great vid, too btw 😄)

[@M-NL2]

Ayo! So awesome to meet other enthusiasts! 😄 How did you find my channel btw? Also thanks!

[@JaceEinerson]

@@M-NL2 My friend @Charlie Arith shared your channel to me saying how you were the dude we met. But coincidentally, I’ve been getting you in my feed on YT shorts for quite a while.

[@JediahGTau]

Not dissing IG here, as it is absolutely incredible and my #2 overall, but you have flawlessly done what I have been struggling to do: explain why Steel Vengeance is better than Iron Gwazi (IMO), not only comparing the elements by type, but also how they feel within the context of their respective ride. It's not just that SteVe is longer, but that it's longer while also keeping the same insanity as IG. When SteVe's speed is significantly less than IG, this is masked with punchier elements and traversing through the structure, which give an illusion of speed (even though it really isn't slouching, it hits the final break very quick, they technically could have added more with the kinetic energy still left). A brilliant, well-thought-out design that goes the extra mile, whereas IG, though amazing, doesn't have that extra "oomph" that SteVe does (the wave turn before the stall is the only instance of that on IG since it's not just a standard turn). Maybe I'm glowing too much about SteVe since last time I rode it was it's opening year, but that was my opinion when I rode IG for the first time this summer.

[@Keystone_Koasters]

I've only ridden SteVe. Though I may get on gwazi later this year, so I'll be sure to compare them

[@robinstamper2446]

I’ve been on both dozens of times (live less that 4 miles from BG). I love Iron Gwazi but if a ride is great, length is too important to ignore. How’s that for an analysis?!

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

I keep going back & forth between the 2. In my experience, Iron Gwazi is the strongest roller coaster I've ever ridden. The trick track double up & that final big drop had to be pulling -2 Gs. Since you called that flojector, I'm guessing it wasn't riding as strong for you. Iron Gwazi is so strong, that it would be too much if it were a long ride. Meanwhile, Steel Vengeance is still very strong, but not too far, so that it's able to still be enjoyable throughout the very long ride. So do I want fewer elements that are over-the-top insane, or do I want more quantity at a slightly less insane level? It's a tough call. I give the edge to Steel Vengeance currently, but the 3-hour lines compared to Iron Gwazi's 5-minute lines (on school days) makes me wonder. I've heard the theory that the Iron Gwazi layout was designed back in 2016, around the same time as Steel Vengeance was being designed, which explains the similarities. SeaWorld had to delay starting the project until they were more financially stable in 2018-19. If they were more stable in 2016, Iron Gwazi probably would have opened in early 2018.

[@M-NL2]

Awesome review of both! I think I should have referred to that hill as sustained ejector instead because that's more accurate to what I experienced! Definitely super strong ejector that lasted a really long time!

[@KubabHelped]

iron gwazi keeps its speed throughout the layout but who really cares if the layout is short as hell? i would much rather get some great ejector bunny hills before going back in the queue instead of hitting the breaks which happen to be wayyy to painful because you go into it with so much speed.

[@charlieairth4762]

Yo are you the fury guy I just saw at Knotts berry farm?

[@M-NL2]

Yeah I am, how'd you find me? 😅

[@charlieairth4762]

@@M-NL2 you just came up on my recommended off of pure luck somehow 😂

[@M-NL2]

@@charlieairth4762 Nice 😂

[@nito209]

I've been waiting for the video!!

[@M-NL2]

Well here it is! 😄

[@TyroneMcDonalds]

I agree, I don’t get the steel vengeance hate train lately. People love to be different I guess.

[@andrewwarthen5209]

Only part I disagree with is the first 2 pullouts being deadish spots since you get good positives here which you don’t really get on SteVe. Outside of that however the rest of the elements I agree with

[@Paolo8772]

From what you've said that you have a greater feel for Iron Gwazi than Steel Vengeance no matter what coaster you like better. (I've never been to Florida yet but I'm waiting for the hurricanes to subside and for my bank account to get bigger, but I digress) I've ridden Steel Vengeance 10 times; All in late May 2018; all but two of those 10 on SV rides were in either row 11 or 12; the other two being in row 9 and row 7 each. SV is the only RMC I've ridden (out of a total of four; the other being Twisted Colossus, Jersey Devil and Goliath at Six Flags Great America) that I never got a chance to ride the front half of the SV's trains where the airtime is more intense, especially on the double up to the MCBR where I thought the restraints would cause me to loose my junk, which although not too shabby, isn't even that big. I don't mean my balls either, since they're out of range of the RMC restraints. If I ever ride SV in the front I'll make sure to personally tuck in my junk, especially since Cedar Point isn't responsible for lost junk, and I cannot put this junk in a locker. (that's why you can tuck everything into your shorts; at least art SFGA when riding El Toro) but I digress. The bunny hill following the drop of SV does nothing but put bums in seats from advertised statistics which you obviously fell for and I'm sorry you did. But SV is still the best coaster in the world. I'll defend Sv's MCBR; it's better to be on a roller coaster from drop to EBR than it is to be in line, and if it weren't for block breaks everyone would be spending MUCH more time in line than they do already. To be clear: I'm not a fan of SV's final bunny hills; I'm too old for that kinda stuff. (I was 48 when I rode it over four years ago) But As a whole: SV the best roller coaster I've ridden (with Behemoth, Millennium Force, and The Cyclone at Luna Beach and El Toro coming after) and I can see why you think Steel vengeance is better than Iron Gwazi. But since I've never ridden Iron Gwazi: the best question to ask is this: How does Iron Gwazi compare to Zadra, since they're a more fair comparison? My guess is that Zadra has the best elements per second and that even Iron Gwazi fans would have to admit that Zadra is better than Iron Gwazi. I guess you'd have to compare how Steel Vengeance compares to Zadra for your own opinion. To be objective: If one subtracts the MCBR and obnoxious bunny hills at the end of SV: SV is it's still a longer and more complete ride than Iron Gwazi. But not having ever ridden Iron Gwazi myself: I guess I'll never know. until I ride it, and when I do I'll probably prefer Velocicoaster. 😉Thanks for posting!

[@zachheitman6247]

That last run on SteVe through the infrastructure is nuts. You start to lose which way is up and which way is down.

[@CentralFloridaCoasters]

Great video, great statements, overall good opinion! I’m doing Iron Gwazi tomorrow for the first time and it will be my first RMC, should I expect good thing about this ride?

[@memecentral10]

I havent gotten to ride either, but from pov's, I slighty put Steel Vengence above Iron Gwazi. They both look awsome imo tho.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Iron gwazi is recency bias and recency bias alone. I have it top 10, but it's not better than Steel Vengeance or even close, in my opinion

[@bonjernoorr]

AGREE - I've had tons of rides on Steel Vengeance, and I'm still blown away every time. I went to Busch Gardens last spring excited to ride Iron Gwazi, but was a little underwhelmed by it. Granted, I only got one ride in the morning (back row), but it just didn't compare. SteVe is just so much more relentless. It is a good ride, but I just don't get the hype.

[@max_kantor0952]

I have Iron Gwazi at my number one because I haven’t been on SteVe

[@TacoSSC]

10:17 its actually 6 airtime hills

[@PepsiCupSeriesofficials]

I have vengeance 1 and gwazi 2 but the gap is pretty large

[@NicoliRides]

Idk why but when I went steel vengeance wasn’t strong. It wasn’t slow, I got 12 rides it was 90 degrees and rode in every row but the finale didn’t hit or this stall, got 0 air in the top hat and the airtime just wasn’t that strong. Gwazi was much faster was much stronger airtime so that’s why prefer but maybe it just wasn’t that good during my 3 day visit. I actually think vengeance has a better layout but all the elements just didn’t hit besides the roll, outer bank, wave then, and off axis hill.

[@joshuarexrode8533]

Haven't done IG yet, but I think a lot of it comes down to recency bias. And for some reason it has become "uncool" to have SV as your number one. I may very well like IG better after I ride it, but I have my doubts.

[@rollercoastermike4673]

I have not ridden both but I think I would agree

[@michaelinanir5635]

I was getting magnum style airtime on a hot day, back row, and 4 in of room on iron gwazi

[@CarolinaCycloneJames]

I think the only way to beat steel Vengeance to make a steel Vengeance but make it longer and better. If iron gwazi was longer i think it would top it. It has a better drop and to me at least better flowing elements. But it lacks the airtime. At least for a 200 foot coaster. Its kinda sad that twisted cyclone gives similar amounts of airtime in a 100 foot tall layout than a coaster thats double the height

[@skydivedoug]

I have 12 rides on IG and over 100 on SV and 100% agree with everything you stated in this video. SV is defiantly without question my #1.

[@aaronb9229]

Couldn’t agree w you more. Here’s the thing tho, I only have 10 rides on gwazi and over 100 on sv. Could have something to do with it in my case.

[@nito209]

I'm just glad Iron gwazi is at my home park 🤷‍♂️

[@M-NL2]

I wish I could have a monster like that in my home park 😭

[@AmazingElevatorsandClaws]

LUCKY! All I have is Valleyfair =(

[@nito209]

@@AmazingElevatorsandClaws damn I'm sorry

[@AmazingElevatorsandClaws]

@@nito209 At least it’s not in Michigan adventure lol

[@pecemakor917]

@@M-NL2 You always have Ghost Rider

[@yessirphizzy6916]

i really wanna see maybe a top 25 coasters from you

[@M-NL2]

I'm actually gonna be uploading a top 50 coasters (2022 edition) hopefully by the end of the month; I did one last year but my list has changed a lot since then 👀

[@coastergaming3640]

I don't think iron Gwazi has a cutback I'm pretty sure that's a overbank.

[@M-NL2]

Some sources said that it is a 150° turn which technically classifies it as an inversion but I'm not sure how accurate that it.

[@coastergaming3640]

@@M-NL2 Oh, thank you!

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

anything over 135 degrees is technically an inversion. Rcdb is disputing that, as they've taken away those inversions for Iron Gwazi & Storm Chaser, but they're being inconsistent & unclear as to when it becomes an inversion. Hydra's cobra roll is two of many examples of inversions that are flirting with that 135 degree mark, but nobody questions those.

[@M-NL2]

@@OklahomaCoasterFan Yeah it's pretty annoying lmao, and to be honest it's not like it will affect the ride experience in any way if they classify them as inversions or not!

[@pocowoso1436]

From the looks of it, they're both extremely good coasters!

[@M-NL2]

They definitely are! Both in my top 5 out of almost 200 🤩

[@cancelled148]

Ngl I feel like Iron Gwazi is a bigger version of Wicked Cyclone at SFNE. Steel Veangence is the bigger version of twisted timbers at KD

[@godzilla46367]

don’t be ashamed be proud

[@waltersweeten4584]

iron gwazi is the new toy, once the new wildcat rmc is done, people are gonna say that’s better than gwazi. steVe is definitely better than gwazi & i don’t understand how people can say it isn’t other the fact that it’s brand new & shiny

[@ninjaslayer5628]

Boomerang clones > Iron Gwazi + Steel Vengeance Boomerang clones are superior

[@M-NL2]

Respect 💯

[@marshgrass]

The reason I feel gwazi is the better ride is the diversity in elements. If steel vengeance was like its first half the whole ride it would be better, but after the mid course you can tell it’s going for a record. Another thing about gwazi is the airtime is considerably stronger. Steel vengeance is a much longer ride, but only the first half is elite. I also personally think the death roll is better than the mosasaurus role.

[@silverpointcoasters2236]

👌

[@Manic_Drone_Idiom]

They're BOTH amazing rollercoasters. I'm fairly certain a large number of people would be unanimous in agreement that RMC are building the world's most intense rollercoasters...Sorry, Bolliger & Mabillard. Yule have to take 2nd place....

[@M-NL2]

I agree except for the B&M part. I'd give them 3rd place, especially for intensity. I'd have to give 2nd place to Intamin 😉

[@pecemakor917]

Never ridden either, but Gwazi's Death Roll and Snappy outer that seemingly lasts forever does look better than every other element on Steve

[@kiwikiwi2483]

The death roll is disappointing. It's not as great as you think it is

[@pecemakor917]

@@kiwikiwi2483 You've ridden it?

[@kiwikiwi2483]

@@pecemakor917 I have. I've also ridden SteVe and it is the better coaster in my honest opinion. Yes, Gwazi is more aggressive but SteVe has more elements and is a lot more airtime filled (if I'm not mistaken it even holds a world record for this).

[@M-NL2]

Honestly no one talks about the first inversion on Vengeance but it literally feels almost exactly like the Gwazi death roll tbh

[@C3mvp]

You cannot understand the insanity of SteVe second half from the POV. The second half going through the structure is the best part of the ride after an already elite first half.

[@troyvsc]

Can we really trust you, you think Apocalypse is better than Ghostrider? LOL In all seriousness a great breakdown of both rides.

[@interstellarca]

apocalypse IS better

[@M-NL2]

See I'm not the only one 😏

[@AMCustomCoasters]

I disagree w Steve over IG but Apocalypse is far better than Ghost Rider. Gold Striker is better than both though.

[@M-NL2]

@@AMCustomCoasters I also agree with Gold Striker being better than both; easily the best woodie on the west coast 🙌

[@jackthesnack7498]

I'm gonna be honest, not a fan of IG steel only lift hill. I feel like the point of a hybrid coaster is that it is wood and steel all the way through. Kinda cheating on the hyper hybrid concept there.

[@M-NL2]

Yeah I also found it weird that IG uses way more steel than most hybrid coasters; there's like actual steel support columns that reinforce the wooden structure in a lot of areas instead of just more wood like Vengeance has. Definitely feels like cheating 😅

[@thehippiethemeparkchick]

Honestly- I literally got beat up on Iron Gwazi. Hated it. I know- unpopular opinion lol

[@Icantdrive11]

Steel Vengeance is WAY WAY WAY Better

[@M-NL2]

Facts 😅

[@kiwikiwi2483]

Agreed

[@cdub2108]

Iron Gwazi is so much better 😩

[@kiwikiwi2483]

@@cdub2108 SteVe gang for life 😤

[@Icantdrive11]

@@cdub2108 sure

[@jesseortiz9007]

Here before the angry comments, for real this time!

[@M-NL2]

Gg m8 👏

[@matthewme8311]

After riding both its easy to say quazi is great ... but SV is Superior! In fact, SV is the greatest on earth! More air time & much longer ... it'll be hard to beat SV ... quazi tried but fell short! Get it? Fell short 🤣

[@interstellarca]

casually waiting for the Wayne comment

[@M-NL2]

We gonna be waiting for a hot minute 😂

[@therobloxions7242]

Twisted colossus is bad Ik this is very controversial

[@rs9453]

2:10 Lol why are you in row 11

[@M-NL2]

cuz assigned seating idk lol i rode it 13 times my guy

[@prodky33]

Fax

[@fredericklockard3854]

I respectfully disagree. Not even close. IG is miles ahead of SV.

[@khaos5071]

I just love pure aggression and in my opinion iron gwazi just does it better especially with the facts you fly through the layout without losing speed.

[@KnightrideThrillz]

Hmm, sounds familiar…

[@revived2036]

You better watch out for Wayne 😜

[@M-NL2]

Nah he's probably too scared to show his face here again 😂😏

[@positron797]

Thank you for not calling SV “Steve”

[@M-NL2]

Oop i always call it Steve, just not in this video 😶

[@chris_allupinya5613]

Then you have those LUCKY BASTARDS who say Zadra is better than both lol

[@C3mvp]

Based only on POV, Zadra looks like a better IG. It looks very similar with even faster pacing which seems impossible.

[@extrakubik4123]

I still feel like Zadra is better than both 😀

[@M-NL2]

Possibly 😅

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

You should know by now that most enthusiasts just bandwagon opinions. Steel Vengeance was sensory overload. But shockingly I think Fury is better than both.

[@M-NL2]

I have Fury above Gwazi, so I understand 😅 Also yes I agree with the bandwagoning thing lol

[@fang4590]

personally i believe iron gwazi is better, but your opinion is valid and i understand where you are coming from!!

[@Itsjustcam365]

fahrenheit>Steve+iron gwazi

[@TacoSSC]

☠️

[@hamlet8346]

Lightning Rod though

[@M-NL2]

Haven't ridden it :(

[@hamlet8346]

@@M-NL2 it's prob my favorite rmc and i've ridden steel vengeance

[@Veggiebagel74]

This ain’t a hot take. Steve is just a lot better lmao

[@isaacmadrigaljr3333]

Yeah I know you like aggressive rides foo 😏

[@JimY-y9q]

Iron kwazi

[@areaIhero]

IG clears so easily and it’s not even close. SV might have more airtime overall but Gwazi’s is on another level. The wave turn alone is better than any element on SV

[@SourPatchPar3nt]

Only coaster you will give 10/10 to until you ride the Voyage :D

[@M-NL2]

Hmmm we'll see 🤔

[@AMCustomCoasters]

IG any day for me. Steve is super repetitive and gets boring for me. IG is pure intensity the whole way through. Quality > Quantity.

[@M-NL2]

I agree with quality over quantity but in my opinion, Gwazi isn't any higher quality than Vengeance. That's just me though

[@AMCustomCoasters]

@@M-NL2 respectable haha everyone likes what they like

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

Steve blow’s Gwazi out of the water every single one of Steve hills including the bunny hills Is a gut punch. Gwazi has a better first drop that’s literally it after that it’s a stomp. Steve is the only coaster I’ve ridden with literally no wasted track

[@martindipshit8673]

i don’t think it’s a matter of quantity over quality, they’re both high quality

[@chris_allupinya5613]

Yeah I would say his opinion is SLIGHTLY bias to the quantity BUT the quantity is still quality. It's all just preference ya know? Oh and the best coaster of the 2 is neither. Give me Grizzly at California's Great America any day if you really feel like you're about to die LOL