EXTREME CLOSE FORMATION | LS3 vs. Std. Cirrus

[@MrAtcast]

Thank you for the great video, a very nice view! I do have a question though: why do you both keep your FLARM on during close formation flying? This way you are constantly generating nuisance alarms, so you are unconsciously training your mind to ignore them. This is known as normalisation of deviance. There are two risks associated to that: 1) you will miss the FLARM alarms from an aircraft approaching your formation, and 2) even after breaking the formation, in case you do have a real alarm, your mind may possibly still filter it out. Instead, if the one glider would switch off FLARM during close formation flying, you won't have the nuisance alerts. The other glider would still receive alerts from other traffic, but now with a much higher probability of catching them. There are also two risks associated with this approach, but they can be mitigated: The first risk is that one aircraft now has no FLARM, so will not be alerted of incoming traffic. This risk can be mitigated by a) the non-FLARM pilot keeping extra good look-out (this should be the lead pilot since the trailing pilot has a higher workload already), and b) the FLARM pilot relaying alerts immediately via radio, using agreed vocabulary (e.g. "FLARM traffic, 10 o'clock, high). The second risk is that after breaking the formation, the non-FLARM pilot may forget to switch FLARM back on. This could be mitigated by agreeing a radio procedure between both pilots: eg. A:"breaking formation, confirm FLARM on.", B:"roger, FLARM is reactivated" Keep safe, and keep posting such nice videos!

[@Hawkeye948]

Schönes Video und klasse Kameraposition. Voller Blick auf die Instrumente und gute Sicht nach draußen. Danke.

[@michaelderflinger5002]

The Flarm alert description in the end :D . And: 'It looked like one plane from behind.' Great content. I had also two very nice team flights not long ago. Some things are easier together, but you know how much concentration is needed when Stefan doesn't say a word for minutes. Nice to see that he always kept his airbrakes ready.

[@SteFly]

👍😂

[@josescarzella6762]

Ich liebe deine Videos. Dieses Jahr habe ich mit dem Segelflugpilotenkurs begonnen, und hoffe dass ich eines Tages wie du fliegen kann.

[@SteFly]

Viel Erfolg!

[@josescarzella6762]

@@SteFly Dankeschön! Tchuss!

[@wackaircaftmechanic2312]

Loving seeing videos on the Standard Cirrus. Gives me more encouragement to finish mine and fly it.

[@PureGlide]

Niiiice... you are going to love the GoPro, I'm still on the 8 and even that is just awesome, let alone the 10. I'd like to try the horizon lock. The hyper-lapse is awesome for shots like this, especially when there's another glider in front, the move around like crazy

[@TheSoaringChannel]

Awesome Stefan! Absolutely awesome!

[@SteFly]

Thanks mate!

[@Parkhardtburkinson]

Kehlheim! Und immer schön an der schönen blauen Donau entlang 😊

[@dinos8557]

What an amazing sky, so much energy. At 3:06 a third glider is clearly visible on the left. It later looks to pull up and peel off also to the left. Not for me following that close, not enough experience but a great video.

[@SteFly]

My brother ✌

[@dinos8557]

@@SteFly ASG 29?

[@josescarzella6762]

Hallo Stefan! tolle Aufnahmen. Vielen Dank fürs Teilen

[@SteFly]

Immer wieder gerne!

[@johnmav8309]

Thank you! Nice video to see! It bringes me a memory on glideing!

[@firstnamesecondname5341]

You should see some of the close formation thermal spiral climbs the gliders do at Lasham, it like you can put your hand out the window and touch the glider above you, very impressive

[@hangfly1]

Wonderful! Please edit and upload the entire flight if you recorded it! Brings back memories of flying from Utscheid 2009-2013 so thanks for posting!

[@CarlosMoreno-dq3kg]

Excelent video, very helpful for me, question, the LS3 can out speed easily the cirrus?, because in climb I saw that's is very even and I think the LS3 is heavier than the cirrus.

[@SteFly]

Yes, the LS3 performs a lot better with the negative flap setting and at higher speed. Also the climb performance is slightly better

[@CarlosMoreno-dq3kg]

I'm surprised, because is more heavy than the cirrus, very good aerodynamics it has.

[@christophostrowski3382]

das iss soo entspannend Euch zu folgen.. macht echt Bock umzusteigen von Matratze (Paraglider) auf Sportgerät... B-Schein fehlt noch und ne Funkerausbildung... an welchem Fluss Brettert Ihr denn da lang? Rhein - Mosel? Kommt mir irgendwie bekannt vor - Der Flugstiel iss wohl vergichen mit dem Autoverkehr, eher so Ich STEH im Kofferraum... sind da nicht Turbulenzen zu erwarten?

[@csabamartha8889]

Nice streets and flying in formation. Did you mixed up the flaps with airbreaks at 5:15, or was that on purpose?

[@SteFly]

I would say it was on purpose 😂

[@aeromael4707]

5:51 HMMMM I LIKE THIS SOUND

[@NicolaFerruzzi]

I would feel stressed out by being the front glider with someone else so close 😫 but I guess you are good glider friends and trust each other a lot

[@oii_3768]

Other than for nice views, it is probably better to branch out left and right to find the better line and thermals anyway.

[@TommyOlsson]

Great video Stefan. Nice day for soaring.

[@cloudstreets1396]

You have to fly with the spoilers open to match the performance of a Cirrus?

[@Sara_PY]

That Cirrus seems to climb really well!

[@nicopeursum8208]

Initially I wondered why you were not overtaking the Cirrus, then It occurred to me that you were not holding the flap handle, but the speedbrake and you were probably not using negative flaps. Also you were flying in his wake. I wonder how much difference that makes. Nice footage

[@matthias3338]

That´s my hood. Always welcome in Regensburg/Oberhinkofen ;-)

[@caovernicola]

Increíble cloudstreets!

[@henryluebberstedt7819]

Hi Stefan, das Video ist ja nun älter, aber vielleicht liest Du die Frage ja dennoch: Auf der Suche nach einem kleinen günstigen Flieger zum reinen "Genussfliegen" wurde mir ein Standard Cirrus angeboten. Super in Schuss m allem drum und dran - leider auch mit Pendelleitwerk. Lohnt sich der Flieger noch? Die Preise gehen ja derzeit durch die Decke. Bezahlbar gibt es fast nur noch Flieger, die kurz vor der 3000er stehen oder komplett neuen Lack brauchen.

[@jme104]

Is that a september german sky ? Wonderfull yodeling of the vario .

[@SteFly]

Yep!

[@gnisitricks]

Spitzen Video Stefan! :)

[@janschatteman3873]

Really nice video! You must have some crazy tight warning thresholds set on your flarm, most of the time it looks like you're about to kiss his tail, and yet the flarm stays relatively 'relaxed', mine would have been screaming at me in every language (figure of speech, i know flarms don't 'talk') for the whole time of that clip 😂

[@SteFly]

Perhaps the Flarm couldn´t believe you can fly so close :D

[@Winniethepopo]

The flarm does Not warn the pilot because of the Distance, IT calculates if the Planes could Collide and warns 10s before accustically

[@janschatteman3873]

@@Winniethepopo yep, totally true, thanks for correcting 👍

[@knowledgebyte]

My son has just designed an LS3 glider in Fusion 360. Let me know if you want one printed out on a side stand for the desktop. We’re planning on a flying model as well, once our internal structure is complete.

[@resiggy13]

What is that 57mm vario beneath your 80mm Winter? I've never seen anything like it before.

[@eisenschweinchen5354]

Was regelst du mit dem schwarzen Hebel links? Der blaue ist die Bremse oder :-)

[@moritzandorff1826]

Der schwarze Hebel ist der Hebel für die Wölbklappe. Blau ist Bremse, korrekt.

[@quanlt206]

Nice bro

[@paultexasusa]

HOW DO I GET INTO THIS SPORT?

[@Franklin-pc3xd]

It would be interesting to see the pre=flight briefing on the formation flight - specific rules of the road reviewed. Was that done?

[@lassewe4836]

What is that vario?

[@mpg7115]

I have the 9th

[@whiskeygolf]

Awesome video and flight have you a FLARM in your glider?

[@swisspilot7659]

Yes, he has. (Left upper Display 😉)

[@whiskeygolf]

@@swisspilot7659 ok thank you

[@lessainsbury8508]

Wow !

[@felix900]

Could be grate to say to the Peruvian on the back seat to stop playing random notes on his pan flute.

[@salnichols94805]

We’re you boys squawking Mode C?

[@제이권유튜브]

it is very very amazing plane

[@frsumrith]

how to become a glider pilot

[@larsfroelich]

This close to the clouds without even an artificial horizon.. unimaginable for me, but I guess you have the experience to back it up

[@kjellsalomon1557]

I think there is one in the Open Vario

[@larsfroelich]

@@kjellsalomon1557 good to know!

[@SteFly]

Not yet

[@jme104]

We don't see much of a difference between a 40:1 and a 36:1 glide ratio .

[@SteFly]

Correct. That was also my feeling at the WGC, that my LS3 didn't perform as it should. Uwes LS3 is a lot better... Anyhow when I use the negative flap position, even my LS3 outperforms the Std. Cirrus by far. There are many smaller aerodynamic things to check and improve. Also the sealing is not great yet.

[@jme104]

@@SteFly For my LS3A , Dick Johnson recommended using négative flap setting above 105 km/h. I also tryied using flap 0° while thermaling, I didn't see any negative results from that .

[@我即是神]

nice video，but bgm（？）is terrible.