The ACTUAL Archaeology Of The Richat feat. Milo Rossi (Miniminuteman)

[@StefanMilo]

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[@Limited_Light]

I googled Ground news and Ground News told me *all* stories about Atlantis are true!!! /sarcasm

[@theominouspigeon]

amohus

[@DneilB007]

That, by the way, was an amazing throw to commercial. Bravo!

[@stig]

If you think plato made it up then you haven't read plato.

[@NicitoStaAna]

First 5 mins and I'm already disappointed. Plato never said it's underwater, he said it a huge flood came and destroyed the city There are 0 claims of the sea rising as to what cause the flood. In fact, fellow archeologist (your peers) say that there's a bunch of rivers around the structure around 9k-11k BC Jimmy never said Atlantis being advanced or as Advanced as Egypt/Rome. Assume for a second for some reason (jimmy speculates younger dryas) a huge flood from this rivers came and swept some bronze/iron age civilization. And the structures are covered in sand/wear and tear/demolished over the years (Green sahara period, meaning the fall of Atlantis could've taken decades/centuries after the flood, slowly decaying/reusing rocks/homes/Irons. Slowly moving away from the Desertification that'll eventually become Sahara Desert) Where would it go? Hmmm, Oh, unrelated reasons, But there's a HUGE sea depository of sand on the sea, south west of the eye of Sahara. It's as if a huge flood came and deposited a bunch of stuff there in the deep sea with 0 investigations yet due to costs/permission/lack of interest. C'mon guys, you could at least spare 3 hours of your spare time watching Jimmy, and then taking good evidences to refute/debunk next time instead of facing it a face value from the title. (There's more evidence of the Volcano/Flood, narrowing the age of the flood. But explaining jt here is already too long to explain further) Maybe do your research/google debunking before creating a straw man argument yeah? Yes, there are gullible people thinking of advance atlantis etc. Was hoping you guys are gonna debunk the more hardened evidence

[@joncrockettable]

There's a an archaeologist named Stefano Rossi. I googled it. You both need to do a podcast with him.

[@katinapac-baez5083]

Holy h! You're right, but he's from Italy... that MIGHT add a layer of complexity to a collab, but it sure would be fun.

[@peytonalexander5300]

Milo-Milo Rossi-Rossi

[@WhiffleWaffles]

The 3 Musketeers of Archaeology

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

stefan - stefan

[@andyalmeida4041]

The trinity

[@RareEarthSeries]

When my father was in space I edited a few photos he took of the Richat Structure in Photoshop to help pop out the colour of the earth and to this day I see those exact photos in circulation being used to show how the colours I popped out prove it is Atlantis. Great video guys.

[@joklit]

Sorry, I'm not really caught up with your channel's lore, "when my father was in space?"

[@ItoeKobayashi]

@@joklit He's Chris Hadfield's son. :)

[@ay-dionne]

@@ItoeKobayashi OH MY GOD no wonder the channel is so amazing I genuinely did not know that

[@NM-ne3xv]

Geez 🙄 thanks for sharing!

[@maloryj7165]

That was YOU!? Oh dear. The shame.

[@natkatmac]

The most amazing things to me is that all this evidence of artistic value, novelty, art, etc to me points to individuals smart enough to have their own hopes and dreams and fears. Both humans and the ancestors before us. How relatable do you think their fears were? Death? Being forgotten? How cool is it that we are able to remember them in some way!

[@BoarhideGaming]

The mere fact that hand stencils are by far one of the most common themes in cave art tells me (in my admittedly modern interpretation) that people were bothered by mortality, at least to the point of wanting to leave a DEEPLY personal imprint upon the world. And there is nothing more personal to a hunter gatherer than a hand, the primary tool for interaction with the world. In my bachelor thesis, I called it the “I was here” phenomenon. You can see the same thing in modern graffiti, early medieval rune carvings by a Norse mercenary in Constantinople, in dated and signed wooden signs in abandoned Minecraft servers and even on a interplanetary scale in the golden disks on the voyager drones. I’m convinced that being forgotten is a fear all humans have, and in “humans” I’m obviously including all our evolutionary ancestors and cousins too.

[@A.J.NunYoBeezwax]

​@@BoarhideGamingcouldn't have said it better myself

[@helloyes2288]

TBH our hopes, dreams, and fears are probably older than our intelligence and probably not that different between people 50kya to us today. Create fantastic work people will trade a lot for, hook up with the girl two huts down, get enough whatever for their favorite dish, that their parents won't get sick, that they won't get murdered by their neighbors, etc..

[@BoarhideGaming]

@@helloyes2288 I don't quite subscribe to that. You need a certain amount of intelligence to achieve hopes, dreams and fears, though fear is certainly the most basal emotion of the three. I think those feelings go way, way back in the genus Homo, our ancestors have been pretty bloody smart for one or two million years at the least. And just for the record: Humans from 50 thousand years ago were biologically functionally identical to us today. Our intelligence would have been effectively the same in the last few hundred thousand years. People also wouldn't have to worry much about trade or getting murdered by neighbours during the time you mentioned. Hunter-Gatherer People of the time lived in close knit clans, and there is little to no evidence of interpersonal violence before the advent of personal property, just around 10-12 thousand years ago, when agriculture was invented.

[@helloyes2288]

@@BoarhideGaming ... Why are you mansplaining that anatomically modern humans were as intelligent as us when that's exactly what I said...? Also, I think you're underselling how much of our subjective experience is ultimately down to anatomy. The roots of hopes and aspirations are ancient and intelligence doesn't make you capable of emotions - if anything, evolution optimizing our intelligence in the past 8 million years has just given us new ways of triggering them as a consequence of other structural changes. For example, our complex language is only possible because the part of the brain all primates have that lets them memorize like a whole sudoku puzzle with a glance was cannibalized into a system that lets us keep track of complex series of words. The efficiency of that visual memory system was deep in the architecture of those neurons, and now, our language takes advantage of this structure but at a cost. Everything about you has a neuroanatomical basis, a biological system allowing you to experience it. Emotions are the ancient levers your brain uses to drive you, not a product of intelligence.

[@HistoryDose]

this platform needs more Milo² collabs

[@conwaytwittyer2667]

Wow my favorite creators are watching the same channels I do

[@thomp4529]

I can't believe you two have yet to speak... I think you both have mentioned each other several times. You are both great science communicators (albeit with 'slightly' different personalities). Keep up the great work.

[@HistoryWithKayleigh]

Couldn't agree more haha 😊

[@frank_calvert]

2 Milo. Not Milo². Just. 2.

[@kMegalonyx]

MeeloMilo

[@DanCooper404]

Injured by the brain-rot of Ancient Aliens and Graham Hancock? You may be entitled to compensation. Call Milo & Milo today!

[@CorwinFound]

You win the comment section!

[@WokenWRLD]

While visiting your local Milo & Milo you'll be able to enjoy a nice cold cup of Nestle Milo Chocolate Malt Beverage Mix. Come stop by your local Milo & Milo today and enjoy your cup of complementary Milo today! Milo & Milo Disclaimer Milo & Milo, Attorneys at Law, are not responsible for any Google debunking, fact-checking, or accidental education that may occur as a result of visiting our fine establishment. Furthermore, while we do not endorse peddling dangerous misinformation, we do appreciate the steady stream of business it brings our way. Please peddle responsibly. At Milo & Milo, we kindly remind all clients to double-check your sources, cross-reference for accuracy, and strive for the best facts. Cherry-picking data or leaning on logical fallacies is frowned upon-even if it makes for a spicy argument. Please adhere to the scientific method; after all, reason and evidence are the foundations of success both in court and in life.

[@WokenWRLD]

Had a great reply and KZbin auto removed it, good job KZbin. Edit: Community post made with it. So annoying that KZbin feels the need to censor people on obvious jokes. Here it is again so let's see if they auto remove this one too: """While visiting your local Milo & Milo you'll be able to enjoy a nice cold cup of Nestle Milo Chocolate Malt Beverage Mix. Come stop by your local Milo & Milo today and enjoy your cup of complementary Milo today! Milo & Milo Disclaimer Milo & Milo, Attorneys at Law, are not responsible for any Google debunking, fact-checking, or accidental education that may occur as a result of visiting our fine establishment. Furthermore, while we do not endorse peddling dangerous misinformation, we do appreciate the steady stream of business it brings our way. Please peddle responsibly. At Milo & Milo, we kindly remind all clients to double-check your sources, cross-reference for accuracy, and strive for the best facts. Cherry-picking data or leaning on logical fallacies is frowned upon-even if it makes for a spicy argument. Please adhere to the scientific method; after all, reason and evidence are the foundations of success both in court and in life."""

[@WokenWRLD]

Attempt #2 to put this reply here. If it disappears again it's on KZbin and going to make a community post with it cause YT can bug off with the censorship of a clear joke. While visiting your local Milo & Milo you'll be able to enjoy a nice cold cup of Nestle Milo Chocolate Malt Beverage Mix. Come stop by your local Milo & Milo today and enjoy your cup of complementary Milo today! Milo & Milo Disclaimer Milo & Milo, Attorneys at Law, are not responsible for any Google debunking, fact-checking, or accidental education that may occur as a result of visiting our fine establishment. Furthermore, while we do not endorse peddling dangerous misinformation, we do appreciate the steady stream of business it brings our way. Please peddle responsibly. At Milo & Milo, we kindly remind all clients to double-check your sources, cross-reference for accuracy, and strive for the best facts. Cherry-picking data or leaning on logical fallacies is frowned upon-even if it makes for a spicy argument. Please adhere to the scientific method; after all, reason and evidence are the foundations of success both in court and in life.

[@yayak6799]

Morgan and morgan and morgan and morgan and Milo and Milo and Milo and Milo and Milo

[@williamcashell6357]

You two have done so much to explain why an unknown, globe spanning civilization isn’t likely. Both of your debunks have really taught me to think critically on the topic. Love you both.

[@Roguescienceguy]

Neither do most of us investigating the stuff that doesn't really add up either. There are quite a few insane peculiarities too. I don't think highly of miminuteman and Milo isn't immune to prejudice either. They do take the easy debunkabke stuff from Graham as their targets.

[@harbinger9815]

​@@Roguescienceguy isnt graham a science fiction writer? Lmao

[@samthecan3116]

​@@Roguescienceguyok what the hard to debunk stuff?

[@LaBelleTinker]

From what I've found, Monod was the opposite of cancelable. He was a pacifist and anti-nuclear weapon campaigner, a vegetarian and animal welfare activist, and involved in anticolonial causes in a period when France was very much intent on maintaining its grip on much of Africa. He described himself as a "Christian anarchist" and seems to have walked the walk on both counts.

[@StefanMilo]

Yes from what I read he seems like an excellent chap, it was just a little joke.

[@yfrontsguy]

He has long been a personal hero of mine

[@LouderThanLife7]

Wow, now I gotta look up this dude

[@cjboyo]

Have I found a new personal hero?

[@ferretyluv]

Christian anarchist is an oxymoron. Matthew 21:21, render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar. Also, Ephesians 6:5, “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, in sincerity of heart, as you would obey Christ.”

[@krzyfiej]

Larger Than Average Neolithic Village is my favorite folk band.

[@toenailandthebedsores6682]

I personally loved their no. 2 best selling album: Arguably More Advanced Knapping Techniques Than The Neighbouring Village

[@robertnett9793]

@@toenailandthebedsores6682 Ah... but they later sold out to big 'put stick on knapped stone'.... really a shame.

[@ehesvadkutya]

@@robertnett9793 Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when Broken Spears came out in 40000 BC, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Village has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

[@John-yl4tj]

After the lead singer went solo with "The throwing stick" album, I stopped listening to their music.

[@robertnett9793]

@@ehesvadkutya Yeah. See that's exactly the problem. Once they sold out to a major label, they were deburred, trimmed and polished. No nice little kinks, nothing that shows their work was handmade... Just industrial uniformity gruel. And their 'bitter cynical sense of humor' has been tagged on by BigStick management to give them a new and unique style - in a world where evertything is bitter and cynical since the ice age. I absolutely miss their handmade lo-fi and general optimistic style like their first songs "Look what happens when I whack stones on each other." Nowadays its just 'Look how good I can kill mammoth with rock on stick' - like EVERYONE ELSE!

[@edsonandrade.person]

I am no professional or student of archaeology, but you guys are two of the main reasons I like it so much. It is awesome to see this collaboration. Thank you for the great work.

[@jpjh8844]

Personally I believe when Plato was writing about Atlantis, and the Atlantean civilization, he was describing the Minoan civilization on the island of Santorini in the Aegean Sea. The volcano on the island erupted around 1600BCE over 1000 years before Plato was even born. The Minoans were an "advanced" society for the time, and a volcanic eruption sent most of their island into the sea (well into the atmosphere in the form of ash).

[@LordWaterBottle]

Thats a really intereating thought, and way more believable than the Graham Hancock version. Plus, Plato said the story is hearsay from the Egyptians so there's plentt of space for bad translation, memory, or oral history.

[@BoredSquirell]

What if Atlantis was an Atlantis of it's own time? Plato believed in conspiracy theories.

[@StefanMilo]

Yeah I think if there is an element of truth to Plato’s story and it wasn’t made up then this is by far the most reasonable explanation.

[@AndyOpreshyn]

​@@BoredSquirellit was,.

[@E.T.Rayiman]

Oh man, Milo&Milo? Is it Christmas already? A dream come true! Googledebunkers unite!!

[@HistoryWithKayleigh]

I'm so happy to see Milo and Milo in one video. This was what the internet was craving, you guys👏🎉

[@MiqelDotCom]

Oh wow, the gang's all here!! 💜

[@GaryGillKeeper]

Kayleigh is here too?! It's like I'm in the best uni bar ever!!!

[@manbearpig710]

Not really more fans over at the vase research area. That stuff’s gonna reveal an industrial civilization from the iceage

[@UberGringo]

Bring in David Miano and really jazz it up!

[@marchismo8514]

Great video! I'm a geologist so I can critique the Richat-Atlantis theory, but since Bright Insight's initial video 6 years ago (which seems to be the main catalyst for this current theory) I've been hoping for this type of response from Archaeologists; i.e., presenting evidence, research, and context, of what actually exists in the Richat structure. What you talked about around 39:00 regarding peoples' general interest and curiosity for history is absolutely valid, and I think it is the main reason this theory blew up. It's such a cool story and legitimately mysterious/under-researched region, which fascinates people. However, the lag in detailed rebuttals to this theory and in general, highlights how inadequate traditional Science Communication has become these days. Content that summarizes Archaeological timelines is nice for the average tv-watching boomer. But modern platforms allow for far deeper pieces of content to be put out, and it is not sufficient anymore to just rely on short-form expert statements about time periods or civilizations to answer historical questions. In the same way there exists an archive of research publications on subjects, there should also be an archive of video content to allow people access to the sort of technical-level discourse that these subjects contain. It's easy to tell the layman to be critical and do their own research, but aside from the obvious limitations like publisher paywalls, it's way easier and more beneficial for the subject-matter experts to present and discuss the topics. That way, the curious layman who scrolls across some alternative theory can easily find what actual research the scientists have done on the topic.

[@Archaeology101Lectures]

101% agree but academic and professional archaeology has really struggled to be part of the social media boom and i'm not entirely sure why but it may partially come down to: Lack of snappy narrative for a lot of archaeology topics (i find rubbish pits interesting but not to everyones liking apparantly), maybe funding comes into it partially meaning outreach is minimal, and also, in the commercial sector at least, a lot of sites are confidential, sometimes for years, and theres a big delay of discoveries becoming public.

[@LoreTunderin]

Don't tell Lloyd (lindybeige), he'll be devastated to learn there are, indeed, *several* French people.

[@codymoon7552]

WAIT I THOUGHT FRANCE WAS A MYTH

[@chrismeandyou]

He knows, he just doesn't want to look down.

[@robertnett9793]

He would probably be very fond of the Richat - being all beige and all.

[@Gilbrae]

😱 be afraid, French here and we are legion ! 😃

[@Friendly_Neighborhood_Dozer]

NOOOOOOOO

[@linziefey]

infinitely amused by Milo's seeming stalling on his future Atlantis debunking video by talking about Atlantis on other people's platforms. fantastic illustration of how difficult conducting real research is

[@butchbabytoaster]

I'm just waiting for his Awful Archaeology episode on Atlantis being a clipshow of him talking about it on other peoples' videos, tbh.

[@klm20079]

Milo i dont like that kiddo he try so hard to hate on other but has done no research talking about this spot on earth hardly anybody has visit... these two are a joke that neckbeard guy so fancy skulls behind him. go be some real researchers. get your ass a plane and go there... sorry i hate these type video of people that clearly hardly seen real stuff in their life some american talking about the wolrd. Meanwhile i have buildings in my town older than America.

[@steveystovey]

@@klm20079 Have you got in a plane and gone there?

[@krisjb13]

@klm20079 you just outed yourself for being a little dumb friend, have a hot drink and reflect for a bit mate then go to bed and rest your noodle brain for another day

[@kingeddiam2543]

​@@klm20079you mean these two citing scientific papers of archaeologists who did go there?

[@laifmatsuk6057]

Y’all are great together would love to see more collaborations. You bring up and elaborate on each others points in a really cohesive and engaging way

[@NORTH02]

Holy, I didn't know this was coming!!!!

[@pichan8841]

Nice to see YOU joining the comments section! Is this the new YT archaeology summit? Love your channel!

[@parksto]

i'd pay for North02/Milo/Milo content 🙏

[@AE-ix2iz]

⁠@@parkstosame

[@ruththinkingoutside.707]

We were all surprised! Very Pleasantly.. lol .. Always good to find North in the comments..

[@jayabee]

Batman

[@jonni2317]

a larger than average neolithic village would be an awesome discovery

[@garywheeler7039]

A recent video showed THOUSANDS of hand axes on the surface there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ6rpq2KirFql68

[@lukechang3565]

@@garywheeler7039 i mean thats decently common for a site like this. Being occupied for hundreds of thousands, if not millions or years, there are gonna be a ton of tools there.

[@purplemnkydshwshr]

I remember watching a cartoon in the late 90's where the protagonists are chasing down the bad guy, who is in the search for an Ancient Destructive weapon of mass destruction. they finally catch up to the baddy after he's found the Tomb housing this ancient weapon., who comes out complaining the best thing he could find was a rusty Iron Sword. This Tomb is dated from the early Bronze age. Context means a lot when describing things, I've seen Atlantis morphed into some futuristic space faring city over time. When, if it did exist, was probably a larger than average Copper age city in the Neolithic.

[@NigelSmith72]

Milo is a common drink in Australia, BTW (produced by Nestle). A Milo for Milo and Milo would make sense :)

[@MJ-ps5pd]

Huge in SA aswel 🙂

[@RevusX]

It's here in the USA as well. I was looking for this comment

[@NeilmacRory]

But is it pronounced Milo or Milo?

[@sgtrock59]

​@@NeilmacRoryThe first one, of course.

[@chocobrowniewin]

We Malaysians have Milo as a national drink😂

[@juliajs1752]

Let's not forget that Milo's Wheel of Pain condemned him to making an Atlantis video for his Awful Archeology series! That video can either be two minutes ("Atlantis does not and did never exist. Goodbye!") or two hours long. We're waiting!

[@ernestlam5632]

Just like Troy

[@zeeoh5466]

​@@ernestlam5632i think troy did exist, actually. supposedly one guy tried to excavate it with literal dynamite and damaged the site in the process

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

@@ernestlam5632 Love the Troy atlantis comparison whenever it comes up. You're right, "there was a country called troy, there was a war involving them" is exactly the same as "there was a civilization of advanced foreigners with magic super metal but we totally owned this in this super awesome war because athens is the best, and you can't prove me wrong because they're gone now and the only evidence of them left is some mud that doesn't exist" and also that second one is explicitly a fictional story within a fictional story. Exactly the same really.

[@truetimewatcher]

well, y'know what they say! chop chop, debunker boy!

[@polarcaps9474]

I would genuinely love a podcast with these two on stuff like this

[@maperns]

This is gonna be completely buried by the lovely Milo × Milo comments, but I really liked the section about the simmetry and visual quality of the Achulean axes. One theory I remember seeing about that compares them to birds nests: it's a tool but also a show of skill that has a part in sexual selection

[@arranaburden5667]

I liked this part too. And to be honest, we're still loving the "pointy tool in hand" thing even now. Knife. Screwdriver. Fork. We just made them handled. And shinier.

[@cyrkielnetwork]

What we call art and beuty is deeply rooted in basic instincts and you can find preference of aesthetics amoungst many animals. That's basically how animals choose their partners, place to live etc. For example symmetry is most basic way of determine someone's atteactives, but it's just a way to determine health and good genes. On the other hand things that we consider ugly and disgusting are just things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Of course it's not only about the look but also about sound, smell etc. There's nothing special about human conception of beauty beside our higher intellectual capabilities.

[@jamestoday2239]

​@@cyrkielnetwork was thinking of Bower birds and even some fish that create 'art?'

[@jezusbloodie]

It was for me personally the most intriguing bit of the whole video! Not that the rest wasn't, but that topped it!

[@thrombus1857]

Wasn’t the guy in Atlantis also named Milo? Or am I too high?

[@karsten11553]

He was, but also: yes you are!

[@ProMindandPeace]

Maybe you're thinking about Milo of Croton. What I looked up tells me he was a Greek athlete who carried a calf every day...as it got larger, he got stronger. There also is a Greek Titan called Atlas who carried the world on his shoulders....I'm not sure if there is a connection with Atlantis

[@karsten11553]

@@ProMindandPeace he is thinking of Milo Thatch, the protagonist of the animated Disney Movie Alantis: The Lost Empire :)

[@thrombus1857]

I’ve heard of that guy too, very cool! There was a book I read as a kid called “finding spirit bear” and the juvenile delinquent in the book has to carry a rock up a mountain every day or something. Then he gets mauled by the bear at some point lol But I was referring actually to Milo James Thatch, from the 2001 animated film Atlantis: the lost empire

[@thrombus1857]

Didn’t Stanley Yelnats the first also have to carry a pig up a mountain every day in the movie “Holes”?

[@mademoiselleisa7112]

Monod is a French legend - I remember hearing about him when doing geology in school and when he passed away, I remember it was a big thing in the news and all. Was really fun to see his name and realise not everyone knows him ^^

[@TheFalrinn]

It occurs to me that the legend of Atlantis came from an area of the world where legends of lost civilizations would of likely been commonplace due to the civilizations that fell during the Late Bronze Age collapse. Ruins of great civilizations that rivaled or even exceeded those in the then-present were all around the eastern Mediterranean. So the idea that Plato may of been inspired by tales of the Myceneans or Minoans to create the legend of Atlantis is pretty plausible. And this does mean that we've probably already found many cities and towns that each served as part of the inspiration for the story of Atlantis.

[@Cascalore]

Two archaeological Milos talking about (not) Atlantis is the best live action Atlantis reboot that Disney could hope for.

[@imcarlabee]

"my"-los or "mee"-los?

[@Eloraurora]

​@@imcarlabee In text, it can exist in both pronunciations simultaneously. Schrodinger's Milos.

[@lillyzola6053]

One of the things I've been thinking about was kind of echoed here. A lot of this stuff that's talked about needed to be translated from French. That makes it virtually inaccessible to tons of people. These theories always seem to crop up where people are unable or unwilling to become educated about the topic, and they lose out on wonderful archeology like this. Thank you for bringing so much of this to the English speaking world.

[@RaspyWater]

Milo Rossi was actually correct in saying that Theodor Monod was in his 70s, he was born in April of 1902. He died at 98 years old in November of 2000. Sorry, I had to be a googledebunker on that. 😅

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

He started work in the Sahara in his 20’s. Seems 1974 was the timing of his discovery at the Richat Structure though. Thinking he was referring to his work in the Tibesti desert, North of Tchad in 1997.

[@tokinsloff312]

From what I can gather with my limited knowledge of French, he discovered the Acheulean tools in the 70s, but his last expedition to the area was in 1998. The clothes he's wearing in the pictures look more 90s than 70s.

[@RaspyWater]

@@tokinsloff312 so it seems like he got dates and locations a bit confused there. Because the Tibesti Desert North of Chad is on the East side of the Sahara. And everything I'm seeing is he hadn't returned to the Richat Structure after late 70s-early 80s.

[@JC-ud9yb]

I’m French and I went looking, he did go back to the Sahara in 1998, and while I didn’t find the exact picture yet, at 70 he was looking much younger than this You can find pics of him in similar outfits on Wikipedia, like a picture called “Théodore Monod - Aéroport d'Atar (Mauritanie) - 20 décembre 1998”

[@StefanMilo]

I can only go by the captions of the images but they claim to have been taken in 1998

[@Padraic-uq3sh]

Finally the Milos have united to combat pseudo-archaeology!

[@alexneff]

Googledebunkers unite

[@dinespetersen8711]

Milo and Milo combine into the Debunkatron to battle Hancock and his followers

[@USchyldt]

Milo's assemble!

[@tilleryinnovations592]

Lol two nerds who read in a book that Atlantis doesn't exist. Case closed. 😂😂

[@Hellemokers]

Milossos

[@initiativeplaytherapy88]

13:52 You can't follow in his footsteps, Milo. The Sahara Desert is made of sand. His footsteps blew away. 😜

[@MrSnowlver]

Laughs in Geologist. As a geologist, the theory that this is Atlantis makes me googledebunkers. Happy to see the Milos work together.

[@postholer]

XD did you see videos by "Mudfossil University" on that? If you ever feel like wanting to lose trust in humanity, I recommend checking them out XD

[@postholer]

You would cry if you knew what R. Spurr - the mudfossil-guy - has to say on the topic :")

[@MrSnowlver]

@@postholer I don't know who that is, but I get the feeling for the sake of my sanity, I don't want to know haha

[@postholer]

@@MrSnowlver let's just say... according to him, the Richat structure isn't only Atlantis, but also a magically fossilized eye (yes, an actual eye). Directly next to a giant fossilized fish and dragon btw XD

[@TheVenusApocalypse]

It's an electrical discharge. Draw a line from the center of the Richat and go out at 138 degrees and you will see it fits right into the extension of the Okavango Delta. Draw another line from both of those to the Red Sea and you get an Equilateral triangle. These made up a Delta-Wye transformer within the earth's magnetosphere and surface. The south stayed Green and the north burned. South was Cathodic, and north was anodic. The dessert is a burn scar and the Richat is an electrical junction with the surface.

[@j_fenrir]

on another note, i just love how human storytelling like rock art is still telling us stories so many years later. like it makes me emotional how we are learning these stories the same way the original creators of the rock art were

[@TekGalen]

My favorite theory given by archaeologists for atlantis is multiple myths and real events getting put together into one story. Similar to what happened with the Authorian Legends. The most sound theory for the existence of Atlantis and its destruction, is the Minoan Eruption and the island of Santorini being the basis of the main legend. Edit: autocorrect

[@mikein60fps30]

Yes this. Have watched multiple documentaries on "Atlantis" and it turns out there are multiple spots that have rings, center island etc "Atlantis traits". There are also many cases of destruction throught earths history, earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, volcanoes. There are records (hieroglyphics)in Egypt that the Egyptions were terrorized by the "sea peoples" as they called it. Yes, but there were always groups of people (vikings would be one) that raided costal cities, it is just one of the things they did back in ancient times. My point is this all these atlantis things were a common occurrence, good writers are creative, artistic and detailed, putting together a "Atlantis " hogepoge story of real mixed with fake, is like a Master chef baking a batch of cookies, easily done and not quite a big deal; and also done quite a bit. -Cheers

[@Zebulization]

19:54 if all of those tools were found together: I bet those are the rocks that broke badly and were discarded immediately. A bunch of failed tools. It makes sense to just throw the bad ones back on the ground near where you found them. Also a few tools that were almost done and discarded in frustration when the last few chips went wrong.

[@1033515]

That last sentence makes me feel more connected to paleolithic humans than anything else I have ever read or seen

[@LeafyK]

So it's a stonemason's workshop, cool!

[@Zebulization]

It does make me wonder. Would it be the workshop of a specialist? Or did families bring their teenagers to the rock pile to teach them stone knapping? Or perhaps the tribe's tool specialist held workshops at the rock pile to teach this nessasary skill.

[@KEJacques]

Exactly what I thought as well, I should have read the comments before commenting for myself

[@hedgehog3180]

@@Zebulization This was the work of either the earliest homo or austrolopethceans so their tribes probably weren't organized like later Homo Sapien ones and they might not have had specialists. When we look at our closest relatives like Chimpanzees it seems like every child gets taught every survival skill so it seems like a good guess that early members of the homo genus or austro might have been similar. That said we probably can't prove it because obvious this wouldn't really leave much evidence. The later more advanced tools made by Homo Erectus and even modern humans probably were made by specialists in the tribe as those tools are simply too complex for everyone to learn how to make. Like modern day archeologists can spend years learning flint knapping.

[@PlayNowWorkLater]

This was great! I loved that you two decided to make this your first chat. There was definite chemistry in the conversation, and I for one would thoroughly enjoy future conversations featuring Milo and Milo. Great Stuff! Each of your areas of expertise and interest made this video. Hope to see more

[@dane4265]

what truly amazes me is how people can believe we had an advanced civilisation at the same time as ancient hunter gatherers, these hunter gatherers we have lots of evidence for them and their tools, however we have absolutely no evidence for an advanced civilisation.

[@MatMabee]

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[@kaytieanddreambreen4554]

My gfs been talking about going and exploring richat structure for a while and I see a Stefan Milo video on it? HYPE!

[@kaytieanddreambreen4554]

I'm so excited for this video!!

[@Makabert.Abylon]

Good luck with that, there is a reason not many people have been there. 💰💰💰 How remote it is..

[@withnail-and-i]

​@@Makabert.AbylonAnd Mauritania can be quite dangerous

[@EbNorth]

​It's a useless video. These two are lost in ego​@kaytieanddreambreen4554

[@SkunkApe407]

​@@withnail-and-i I've been an Archaeological Surveyor for over 20 years, and have worked in some really dangerous places. One key thing is to find a local guide and pay them well. In most places, if you are respectful, don't draw attention to yourself, and don't make a show of spending lots of money, you'll be just fine. A local guide will not just get you where you're going, but will also keep you from crossing societal boundaries and give you access to places and things other outsiders don't have.

[@DiamondAppendixVODs]

"Plato made it up" is probably the most important thing to remember about Atlantis

[@Khann_2102]

Yep

[@CorwinFound]

Imagine you are working with stone tools and a dude shows up in your village with a pack if bronze tools. It would be mind boggling. And he has stories (probably exaggerated as sales men do) about the amazing structures and decadent lives lived by his people thanks to these tools. A few years later word arrives that those people were hit by a devastating flood. Boom, Atlantis is born.

[@hedgehog3180]

Mind you the Eastern Mediterreanan is just filled with flood stories, the most famous one is the Biblical myth of Noahs ark but that seems to be inspired by a similar Summerian story from the Epic of Gilgamesh. In general if you wanted a disaster in your story in ancient times it would be a flood seemingly, a bit like how modern Hollywood movies are fixated on destroying skyscrapers. And just like how modern Hollywood movies are inspired by 9/11 ancient flood myths drew inspiration from the very real floods that happened along the rivers people lived by and which were often devestating. On that point one of the notable features of Atlantis is that they had apparantly tamed their rivers and had intricate canal systems, with how common and dangerous floods were in this part of the world you can see why the idea of taming rivers would be appealing and seem amazing. And the ancient world also had a source of inspiration for that, Egypt. Because the Nile floods so regularly and predictably (in fact there's an incredibly simple algorithm for very accurate predicting when the Nile will flood months in advance that perhaps helped give the impression that the Pharoah was divine) Egypt had an extensive and intricate system of canals used for flood control and irrigation and just like in the story of Atlantis the Egyptians also made extensive use of pumps for irrigation. Again this seems kinda familiar to modern media since modern sci-fi also tends to draw inspiration from whatever is seen as the most advanced at the time, the reason why Cyberpunk is filled with Asian languages and cultures is because in the 80s there was a perception and fear in the west that countries like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan were advancing technologically faster than the west. In more recently produced sci-fi you'll see drones everywhere because that's the new technology is making the biggest impression. Well in classical Greece Egypt was the impossibly advanced country and pumps were the impressive technology.

[@CorwinFound]

@@hedgehog3180 100% on all that. I'd just add that almost every culture has flood myths. Asian, North American indigenous, Africa and everywhere else. Because as you said, floods are everywhere for diverse reasons and bad/unexpected ones are life and society changing.

[@Cat_Woods]

Please. That's one of a million possible speculations. Stories don't have to be true to be told.

[@heremapping4484]

​@@CorwinFoundfor example there is the Choctaw flood myth, which Remembers an earlier prosperous era (Mississippian civilization) followed by a 'flood' (probably metaphorical or highly exaggerated) that caused all the choctaws to retreat to the mother mound, from which modern Choctaws trace the descent of their nation (multi ethnic and heavily multi cultural)

[@communistcuphead2901]

The Americas are filled of flood myths as well, like the Guarani flood myth, and also myths about men being made out of different materials like the Aymara and Maya wood and stone people​@heremapping4484

[@izamanaick]

milo x milo crossover event graham hancock cannot survive this

[@stig]

keep dreaming

[@stefanodadamo6809]

It's like the Ghostbusters crossing and locking protonic fluxes 😂

[@tilleryinnovations592]

Lol I'm sure Graham is very upset about two nerds who read in a book that Atlantis isn't true. 😂😂

[@zeeoh5466]

​​@@tilleryinnovations592 "nerds" is a funny way to say "people with an actual education in their stated field"

[@tilleryinnovations592]

@zeeoh5466 people with "education" were positive that Troy was a fable, too. And by educated, you mean they read it in a book, written by someone else. 😉

[@andanssas]

10:53 that 96yo is the most hardcore achaeologist I've ever heard of and he's *powered by plants* 😮 Truly inspirational and you just busted another myth, a _meaty_ one 😂

[@0mVi]

The Milo team-up we always dreamed of!

[@JonnoPlays]

I really enjoyed the thumbnail for this episode. I think the content also closely matched the type of content the user who would click that thumbnail would click if that makes sense. Anyway good work bringing new audience to this subject.

[@CapnBlud]

Babe wake up, a new youtuber Stefan Mi-ailo Rossi just dropped.

[@beanndip]

I love yalls opening discussion about the "larger than avg Neolithic village". That is actually EXACTLY my position on Atlantis (and most myths). I think myths have a fairly consistent life process... I call it a process because it's not a cycle. The hypothesis is this... Life happens as it happens, then one day something worth repeating happens. This is before many forms of entertainment, and story telling is the equivalent of primetime television. The story is intertwined with other stories of events worth repeating. Just like mixing two colors of paint, these intertwined stories form new stories, new colors. Some of these "stories" (they're still based on enough facts to call them stories, not myth enough to be myths) become crowd favorites, just like popular television today. Many of these stories are retold by different people in different places on different days, more characters, placeds, and events are tacked on as these different groups intertwine their own stories and colors to create what can now be called a Myth. At this point the myth is very obviously a myth, the reality TV story telling has become a fantasy movie story telling. Seeing no point in holding g anything back now, the story teller weave VERY fanciful concepts and characters into the story. At this point the story isn't even meant to convey any type of truth or event. It is intended to be primetime television/storytelling. From here the myth can continue to evolve as it encounters new cultures, languages, people, etc. Atlantis, in my opinion, was just a nice village that made it's way into storytelling and grew up thru the myth process. Hell, I bet new york will be like that eventually. There's songs about new York, movies about new York, shows about new York. One day long in the future the story of New York will be a EPIC city that ruled the world.

[@soapsatellite]

New York is our Constantinople

[@lalouchevibritannia539]

The funniest part is that Atlantis effectively has been found, the OG description pretty blatantly describes an oral memory of the destruction of Thera during the Bronze Age when it would have been a (relatively) more technologically advanced Minoan colony in comparison to mainland Greece, poof island explodes, leaves circular ring, ‘sinks’ beneath the ocean, its barely a real mystery.

[@loke6664]

...and while they weren't beaten by the Athenians in a war, the Minoans were beaten by the Mycenae which is rather close. But I think he added in some other civilizations too in there, particularly Egypt who by the time of the New kingdom had some claims that they were way older then what archaeology or any older writing say. The Minoans did have the technology Plato say the Atlantians had though, ships capable of travel pretty far from land (they did go to Egypt for instance) and metalworking.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

You should read Plato's account of Atlantis. Everyone quotes it but no one ever seems to read it. According to him, he heard the story from a guy who heard it from an Egyptian. No mention of any Greek sources besides that one supposed third hand account so the idea it was a Greek story distorted by time is dubious. Especially since the only written source we have with any reliability also says the Greeks forgot the story and the only reason they have it is because the Egyptians happened to write it down, and Plato happened to hear it from a guy who heard it from another guy who knew the story. Besides, it's theororized that the Mychanaean-Minoan conflict was preserved through oral tradition and distorted through time, as the story of Theseus and the Minotaur. It's possible two competing versions of events emerged, and one of them became the Atlantis story, but I doubt it since the stories are so different from each other.

[@loke6664]

@@Some_Average_Joe Well, he actually tells us that his ancestor Solon heard it from an Egyptian priest and Solon lived generations before Plato so if that is correct (the way the book describes the discussion seems fictional since from what we know, the characters who had the discussion never even met but who knows). So yeah, if you take Plato literary the story spent 200 years or so as a Greek oral family story. As for the Egyptians writing the story down, that could not possible have happened before Pharaoh Scorpion since the earliest known primitive hieroglyphs were found in his grave. That was maybe 5400 years ago (take or give 200 years, both the carbon dating and chronologies are a bit uncertain that far back). That would still be almost 7000 years as an Egyptian oral story which means if Plato didn't make the entire thing up the accuracy of the story would not be super exact to say the least. You do need actual writing to write things down after all and hieroglyphs and cuneiform are the 2 oldest writing systems we ever found (well, there is the Vinca script that possibly could be writing but even if it is it is just a couple of hundred years older).

[@ario2264]

​@@Some_Average_Joe Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus talk about people called Atlantes (Herodotus) or Atlantians (Diodorus) living in Northwest Africa by the Atlantic coast near to the Atlas mountains.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

@@ario2264 Herodotus? The guy who thought there were people without heads?

[@lnbjr7]

What a delightful conversation! Two guys who want to have fun sharing their specializations! Looking forward to future collaborations!

[@GeorgeP-uj8xc]

The two Archeology GOATS together on my feed? I've been blessed.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

Most people consider actual PhDs who have made foundational discoveries to be the goats of archaeology. It’s so frustrating that half our society now thinks that commentary is more important than the actual work & just ignores everything that isn’t presented to them via TikTok. These two are hugely successful advocates for critical thinking but come on, surely you’ve heard of the Leakey family? Ufda…no wonder people believe in all the pseudoscience. The science people all just fell out of a coconut tree…

[@GeorgeP-uj8xc]

@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory It's not that deep

[@chase5298]

@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory You must be the life of the party

[@Callum679]

The sad thing about the hunt for Atlantis is that the hunters will overlook, ignore, or bypass any number of amazing discoveries because they don't qualify as 'Atlantis'.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

I know everyone wants to see wildly advanced things come up in archaeology, but I got chills over those pebbles. That’s like (metaphorical) Day 1 of stone tools, possibly they weren’t even very useful but they could see that they could be and kept working at it and WOW thanks ancestors for giving it everything you had so that I can be here on my pocket computer, 54 years old & taking another 15-20 for granted…

[@olympusnfitness]

Nice thought

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory I bet they were really useful, compared to scratching and biting at stuff.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory Seriously the idea that stone tools have existed for 3 million years is so intrigueing. It means that stone tools not only predated modern humans but the genus homo, and that in turns mean that tool making is a basic trait of our entire family. We often talk about what makes us humans but the archeology seems to sugges that making and using tools is the most human thing ever. If we could talk to a Homo Erectus they could probably understand the point of modern tools like electric drills or chainsaws and learn to use them even if they couldn't understand how they work and that's kinda awesome. Hell maybe they could even learn the basic aspects of how to use a smartphone. I think it's awesome that there's something that connects us across millions of years and defines us as a family, it certainly makes the modern world where only we survive feel a bit less lonely.

[@Professor_Pink]

Callum, you're wrong. Anything and everything qualifies as Atlantis.

[@teywn]

Appreciate you two bringing a rather niche subject to a broad audience!

[@actuallyapathy]

thank you for doing real captions!!! i really appreciate it, adds lots of accessibility!

[@konstantinavalentina3850]

I sometimes miss the mini microphone clipped to a plastic spoon. :)

[@Davey-Boyd]

Me too!

[@PeachysMom]

Those were simpler times, weren’t they?

[@nobody8328]

While I'm really happy to see Stefan's channel getting so big, the spoon was iconic. 🥹

[@alst4817]

The plastic spoon was carved from a larger prehistoric plastic substrate

[@erinmac4750]

Ah, yes, the spoon....

[@angryreece]

I remember when I was younger I saw a KZbin ad claiming the Eye of the Sahara was Atlantis. I was convinced for a bit until one thought came to mind. “Why is the mythical underwater city in the middle of one of the biggest deserts in the world.”

[@GarC170]

Tbh several channels including PBS and Atlas Pro put out Green Sahara vids prior anyways. Sahara does have some amazing geography. From dinosaurs and giant crocodiles, to being an ocean, Lake Super Chad, etc. I’m probably wrong but my personal theory is that the desertification of the Sahara invented Egyptian civilization. The Sahara as it dried out all the hunter gatherer, possibly pastoralist, tribes were forced to share a continuously shrinking land mass suitable to their survival.

[@electrosyzygy]

That's actually a well established theory explaining the transition from the different pre-Egyptian cultures into Egypt

[@313barrygmail]

Climate change from all the v 8 s silly

[@stefansoder6903]

Miniminuteman gives us hope about the future. The kids are alright!

[@patricio.brevis-acuna]

Stefan, I always enjoy your content. Looking forward to watching another analysis of brand new publications. It is particularly insightful when you interview the authors of cutting edge archaeological research.

[@RetainedQuasar3]

As an atlantis lover (thank you disney the lost empire my beloved) this stuff is crazy. Like you said the conspiracy stuff destroys any way to talk about this stuff in a reasonable way. Like "this is platos social commentary on athens with some possibility of a half remembered cultural memory of the minoans and the minoan eruption" to "ancient high tech civilization that taught people how to idk cut rocks" XD

[@Dracomancer273]

Disney and Stargate had fun takes on Atlantis and the myths.

[@baticeer_]

It's such an interesting myth and has inspired some great fiction in pop culture, I don't know why people can't just let it be a myth... a story doesn't need to be real to be meaningful!!

[@MayLina]

@@baticeer_no, you don’t understand, there were gods living on top of the Olympus, one of them was throwing lightnings even, ancient power plant if you will. Also, have you ever heard about titans? Two words 🙌 ancient giants. Minotaurs and fawns? Archeologists hide evidence of them! Also never walk into Eastern European forests, you will be eaten by Baba Yaga, local yeti if you will Sorry it was hard to stop😂

[@hedgehog3180]

I think we forget to acknowledge that Plato was honestly a really great author and that we should perhaps treat his works as the amazing pieces of literature they are. Like that's why he's still so influential, stories like the Allegory of the Cave and The Republic are evocative and manage to communicate his idea in such a simple way that even children can understand them. In a way he's one of the first true science communicators since he specifically acknowledged that the format of fiction can be used to teach the general public about complicated topics like philosophy.

[@AClockworkWizard]

I want to see some psuedo-archaeologists 2000 years from now finding the one remaining copy of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and start arguing that before the 20th century there was a globe-spanning civilisation of people who never age and that Saruman did 9/11

[@dangerousflyer4485]

Fucking yes.

[@whyukraine]

That's true actually.

[@whyukraine]

I am going to have myself buried in a kurgan with a motorcycle, full viking armour, LOTR DVDs (extended edition obv.) & a 1st edition Silmarillion.

[@yacregroona7236]

pseudo archeologists found troy, while archeologists impeded the mission to find troy the whole way. archeologists are impeding excavatins in gobleki tepe and gunung padang and pseud archeologists are calling for excavations. archeologists are unironically the enemies of archeology.

[@DanDanDoe]

⁠@@yacregroona7236Archeologists are impeding the excavations at Göbleki Tepe? It was discovered by an archeologist, partially excavated by archaeologists and still worked on by archaeologists. It’s just a very slow process, because excavations cost money and someone has to be willing to finance the excavations. And there simply is so much to excavate in the world. Troy was not discovered by a pseudoarcheologist, but an amateur archeologist. Schliemann wasn’t formally trained in archeology, but adhered to the scientific method and published his findings. It was incredible he found Troy, and it was possible because he was wealthy enough and had connections to do the excavations. Sadly his method of excavating was rather destructive and we may have lost a lot of potential knowledge. That’s one reason why excavating takes so awfully long. You can’t just bulldoze it, because you may destroy objects or the context in which they were in the ground. Good archeology is painfully slow. And that same issue comes up with Gunung Padang. How much of the structure can be destroyed and what’s expected to be found in doing so? Tests done so far give no reason to think it’s man-made, as carbon-dating by the pseudoarcheologists who claim it’s the oldest pyramid was done on the soil, rather than on any specific artefact used or made by humans.

[@m.merritt310]

This stuff is so weird as a philosophy major because...Plato seemed to be clearly sharing a fable about how nations can get too high on their own PR and that fits with all his other patterns of making up fables to show his points (The allegory of the cave, to come up with the most famous example). Like...at no point does he seem to HINT that Atlantis is a real thing!

[@Hollylivengood]

More Milo on Milo! This was fun, and very knowledgeable. 100% with the big neolithic village theory. I commented once before, it was probably on here, or maybe North o2, that the Atlantis stories probably came from grandads talking to grand kids and it gets changed around like we do. "You should have seen it kids, it was more advanced than any other village. My friend Ug was the first man to piss on his animal hides to make them softer, and that was far far advanced beyond anyone else." It was! To a neolithic people.

[@danamahr3773]

The Milo Tag-Team! This is Christmas for me.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Great discussion, fab to see you together

[@lordodin5755]

If Atlantis isn't real how did they film the cutscenes for Age of Mythology.

[@markharding6342]

It's going to be very difficult to convince me that Plato's description of Atlantis isn't just very embellished description of the Minoan Civilization on the island of Santorini, which would have at that point been ancient history even to Plato.

[@heremapping4484]

Pretty sad you made up your mind with a basic understanding of Minoan history. You'd make a bad historian.

[@Eric-yt7fp]

I've always been interested in the Richat Structure since youtube randomly sent me a video insisting it was Atlantis. I never bought that, but the geology of the area was really interesting, and I have never found a good video actually diving into real archaeology. Thank you for this, I would love to hear more!

[@Minty1337]

im being driven completely googledebunkers by this collab

[@mhmt1453]

If Atlantis was anything, it was likely a dramatized reference to the Minoan civilization. “Atlantis” as a thing (or a place) was created in the mind of a guy writing 700 or so years after the Theran eruption, if not a complete work of fiction. Even if Homer came into contact with the Egyptians… and subsequently heard tales of the Minoans themselves, those references could easily be lost in translation. Plus the details are way too distinct for any kind of oral tradition of Atlantis to be trusted verbatim. People love those fantasies though, don’t they?!

[@AlashiaTuol]

My personal theory of Atlantis is that Plato made it up as a fable to teach his philosophy of good and bad cities, but that in making it up he was calling back to a cultural memory of the destruction of the Minoan island of Thera (now Santorini) back in the bronze age. Circular island with another island inside it, bulls, heavy cultural association with the sea, probably one of if not the most technologically advanced societies at the time (they had indoor plumbing!), obliterated rapidly and most of it disappeared violently into the ocean from a combination of volcanic eruption and massive tsunami event... heck, the eruption is considered one of the worst known if not THE worst known in the entire holocene, and started the Minoan decline. It's not past the pillars of Herakles, but I mean, a lot of what Plato says doesn't match up with any historical evidence (a lot of people conveniently forget that Plato also says in the story that the city of Athens defeated Atlantis and saved the entire Mediterranean thousands of years ago. Which... nice fanfic there, Plato), and there's the suggestion that a lot of his descriptive details were numberical symbolism jokes his students would have understood, so its entirely likely that telling the story of real place wasn't the purpose, teaching the philosphy of good vs. bad societies and creating an example of a bad one was. It's worth noting that in Athenian mythology, Poseidon was one of the rival gods to Athena (he even lost to her when claiming patronage over Athens). Lo and behold, Poseidon is the patron deity of Atlantis, who is Athens' enemy in the story. I just don't get why there's all these fantastical explanations for Atlantis when the cultural memory of a disaster we know happened in Plato's geographic area seems to me a perfectly likely inspiration for the story.

[@Mr-__-Sy]

4:23 OK a little corection on miniminuteman point thereb Plato never said it was under the sea, he said that they couldn't reach it because of some mud plains blocking the access to it and that is kinda in line to an event that made that part of Africa rise about 12000 years ago, now even I don't think that it actually took 3 days for that to happen, but catastrophic events on earth are known to break some rules

[@noticiasinmundicias]

sorry couldn't get to work today there was a *checks notes* MUD PLAINS blocking the way yea

[@Mr-__-Sy]

@@noticiasinmundicias preety much yeah, but then again, maybe it was but Plato being Plato, decided to be a dick to the Egyptians when he wrote that they came from that civilisation that now we know is just a bunch of cavemen doing their business

[@pierrevaillancourt1803]

Wasnt the story of Atlantis just a social commentary on the "current state of affairs " in Plato's time told through a fictionalized story?

[@CliftonHicksbanjo]

Maybe...

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Yes

[@hedgehog3180]

It's a story about Athens winning against an impossibly powerful foe, written in a time where Athens was fighting Sparta. I wonder if it could possibly have some sort of ulterior motive.

[@theghostofyankeejim]

@@hedgehog3180 If conspiracy theorists weren't deathly allergic to the concept of metaphor, they wouldn't be conspiracy theorists

[@Cat_Woods]

YES. I cannot express how much it annoys me that people treat every myth as if it were history. Humans have always made up stories. ALWAYS. The stories can spread without being based on actual history. And Plato actually said what he was doing: writing allegory.

[@nilcarborundum7001]

Thank you Milo + Milo! The voice of sanity, as ever. - To my mind, people choose to believe strange and illogical things because it makes them feel somehow "special" (eg., religions and conspiracy theories), and it combats their innate sense of being powerless against a hostile world, or at the very least, against circumstances they can not control.

[@brandonabdon242]

If Cmdr. Riker (0:19) tells me anything is or is not real, then I’d believe him. Just saying.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

It's the chair straddle, right?

[@joshk.6246]

​@@williamchamberlain2263lmao, i was going to say something similar. I mean when you step over and sit down with such authority its hard not to believe.

[@RobespierreThePoof]

That's the way Commander Riker likes it.

[@someone-w9n]

People looking for Atlantis... When will they start looking for Plato's cave?

[@far-middle]

Troy was thought to be a myth until they found it.

[@someone-w9n]

@@far-middle Big difference, between Troy, which we already knew where to look for and had other evidence for it. And Atlantis and Plato's caves who are mentioned as a philosophical allegory with no specific location, or other supportive evidences for it. Not to mention that Plato is a second hand source for it, since he heard it from Solon who heard about it from Egyptian priests. Even if it's real, it's quite far fetched! All this money and effort put into Atlantis, should be used for more actual archaeology, lots of more fascinating things still hidden!

[@far-middle]

@someone-w9n I agree it's unlikely, but the entire origin of the story is strange in that Solon should've already known of Atlantis from its war with Athens, right? IMO the milos should spend time on tangible subjects like the stone jars/vases.

[@someone-w9n]

@@far-middle That why, it's just an allegory probably based on some proto Hellenistic stories and legends. Secondly, I don't see why we should trust Egyptian priests, maybe it's an allegory from some Egyptian philosophy or something, or something related to pre dynastic myth. Anyway, if Atlantis was ever to be real and found, it will be found by accident while looking for other more tangible things.

[@far-middle]

@@someone-w9n true, were those the priests that said the pyramids were tombs instead of monuments, which could explain lack of mummies or funerary hieroglyphics in all pyramids.

[@christopherhammond5142]

I feel like an idiot. I heard 'our thirst video together' and I have to admit that I grabbed my phone to check out the screen in amazement before I realised what he actually said.

[@jfv65]

I was just about to mention Itchy Boots in a comment but i saw you covered that already. Btw, she has recovered and she bought a differnt bike. Soon more videos from her i should think.

[@martinwebster3588]

Noraly (itchy boots) is a geologist, so on her travels she makes a point of visiting such structures👍

[@lindellbohannon5849]

Yea, a 1987 Yamaha, for a ride around the world?

[@jackjernigan-ks6bl]

Itchy Boots rode her bike to the Richat structure in Season 7 on her YT channel.

[@66hss]

Noraly 🥰

[@nataliemamo8709]

The legend of athlantis really seems like a folklore version of what happened to the minoans

[@ADEpoch]

Great to see you both collaborating. I've watched a lot of stuff from both of you to date.

[@popov0705]

The calm of Milo complements well the excitement of Milo - you know which one's which :) Btw, my name's Miloš and I keep being called both Milo ways, despite the š...

[@Steviestormz]

How the hell to you pronounce that letter? Like an S ?

[@fero1600]

​​@@Steviestormz I'm from Slovakia and here it's pronounced the same as "sh" in shame. I assume the original commenter is from a slavic country and as far as I'm aware all of us pronounce it the same.

[@popov0705]

@@fero1600 You're right :) I'm from Serbia, we pronounce it the same indeed

[@jayryall7324]

My two favourite archaeology channels collabing, shut up and take my money

[@korstmahler]

I think at best, Plato heard a myth about a village somewhere someone else was a little jealous of, but wasn't really advanced at all. Then he said "It's ancient greek parable time" and ancient greek'd all over everything.

[@lukecaverns]

The most telling thing is that the biggest proponent of the Richat Structure has never actually been there… despite having all the means ($$) to 🤷‍♂️

[@far-middle]

Good point. Also, if Atlantis went to war with Athens, why did Solon only learn of it through an Egyptian priest?

[@hedgehog3180]

@@far-middle The real answer is that it is a framing device similar to having a wise old asian monk tell you a legend in modern Hollywood movies.

[@MatthewDavis-p2p]

2:22 flirty flirty

[@richardlopez4318]

Awww, so cute you guys. The two professional debunkers are at it together. Very nice. I sense true love. I can tell the little guy on the right must be bottoms. Cheers! ❤️ 💕💘

[@Docrock-z9k]

Remember what your parole officer said about going online and talking about little guys?

[@RufotrisRootedRockhound]

As a long time fan of Milo, I’m really happy to learn about this other Milo! 😂 My kind of channel! Just subbed (to Stefan Milo) and I’m glad to have another great channel to watch!

[@apple_meson]

YESSSS we got Milo ft. Milo

[@username65585]

I don't know about Milo, but Milo is alright.

[@footloose_mini]

7:16 OSP put it best when tallking about el dorado. The thing is, if it isn't big and shocking enough, it isn't atlantis. And if you find something, it isn't big and shocking enough to be atlantis because the next thing might be the real atlantis.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Everybody know that when Atlantis "sunk" it's actually the Atlantean upper class who turned on the jets and flew to Nibiru. At this point it's common knowledge.

[@the_original_goldmann]

Was wondering why no one mentioned it. I mean, i was taught that in astrology class.

[@omgmo1962]

JUST finished Milo Rossi's most recent video... This is the collab we've been waiting for.

[@DaniBanny42]

Yes! So glad this collaboration happened! Love the shout out to Itchy Boots!! She has gone to some really cool remote ancient locations!

[@PicturesofTravel]

If I were a billionaire these guys would have a budget to make more awesome videos.

[@AdriansCreatures]

Fund frauds LOL

[@DulceN]

The two Milos in the same video, what a treat! Thanks so much, guys.

[@TommyCrosby]

Atlantis existed ok? I saw it on TV, man, so trust me bro. We just need to go through the StarGate THEY hide in the Cheyenne Mountains.

[@Alison.Uncouth]

Omg ❤

[@TheSkyGuy77]

They™️ 😂

[@zoro115-s6b]

The "they" seems like it's the most blatant proof that these people either don't actually believe what they're saying or haven't actually put any real thought into it. They'll ramble all day about the "hidden truth THEY don't want you to know", but the only ones who'll give an even vaguely coherent narrative on who's keeping this a secret and why are the ones who'll just go out and say that they think it's the jews. The other claim will be that archeologists simply don't want to be proven wrong. Which falls apart immediately when you consider that even if the archeological community was comprised entirely of incredibly petty people who will go to insane lengths to avoid admitting they were wrong, the archeological community is not a monolith, and while any individual archeologist might not like admitting they were wrong, I doubt any would have any issues proving that their predecessors and peers were wrong, and indeed, they do that all the time. The search for atlantis has been going on for centuries, and no one's found it. Whoever first went looking for it and eventually concluded it doesn't exist is long dead. No one has anything to lose by admitting its existence and any archeologist who actually found something like that would get incredibly fame and recognition. And yet, no one has. Curious.

[@lorenzo42p]

your mind has been polluted by tv. dumb claims doesn't mean it's not true.

[@kachinaneon]

everybody wants to be that person who knows secret truths that others don't know. such a human thingy.

[@kachinaneon]

also, MILO HAIRCUTS!!!!!

[@erinmac4750]

Loved this collab, Stephan and Milo! Also, I'm glad your friends from the shelf got some more screen time and respect. Your videos about the different homo species captivated my imagination and spurred my interest in our ancient relatives. Now, you've added this illuminating discussion about Richat. You Rock!✊😎🐘

[@BoredSquirell]

I was just watching some old Miniminuteman, and though about watching some old Stefan Milo videos when this pops up 😊

[@AlexanderWeixelbaumer]

I believe the "green Sahara" was the garden of Eden that made it through stories told from one generation to the next into the bible.

[@fearsomefawkes6724]

I have this same theory and I wish more people were talking about it. How, maybe Eden was real, in a sense. I don't believe in a god, but I am fully ready to believe that the story of Eden is an oral history of the green Sahara that eventually got written down.

[@CircusFoxxo]

​@@fearsomefawkes6724 In the story as recorded, Eden lies to the West, they traveled East, and Adam and Eve's sons took wives from the people of Shamballah. Also the ubiquity of "Paradise lies to the west" in cultures worldwide lends credence

[@hedgehog3180]

Actually we have some vague descriptions of where the Garden of Eden was and they place it in central Mesopotamia, in between the Tigris and Euphrates. So the flood plains of those rivers were probably the inspiration, which seems likely since the Bible seems to have drawn a lot of inspiration from Mesopotamian mythology,

[@EoThorne]

You two make archeology so fun. Keep those puns coming, my dudes!

[@ErikaSilverhart]

I think there was probably a real actual place, but since no one knows where it may have shifted over time, Greeks could be referring to Sicily or the Azores, but the Romans could be referring to Ireland. Then everytime it's retold it's embelished even further, from "people on an island" to "advanced civilization on an island"