Critiquing every episode of Ancient Apocalypse (Hancock has no evidence)

[@StefanMilo]

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[@julianshepherd2038]

So sorry you had to read his nonsense. I'm embarrassed to be British. Well done though.

[@Zogerpogger]

It is quite sad that Hancock promotes anti-intellectualism and the mistrust of academia by playing on people's desire for justice and truth in saying that his ideas are rejected out of ignorance/malice rather than reason.

[@lindenstromberg6859]

Great video, and thanks for bumping David Miano, I’m a huge fan of his channel, too. Glad to see both your channels growing over the years. I love your channel, and it’s always a good day when I see a new video up by you. Videos like this give me a good reason to cite your channel in discussions.

[@TangoNevada]

I haven't listened to the whole video yet. I'm going to have to do what you suggested and listen to it as a Podcast in my car tomorrow. But I do find it very disingenuous of him to be on Joe Rogan and bring up all the spiritual DMT, contact with other beings etc (Where he will find a sympathetic ear) But this doesn't come up at all during the Netflix Show where he tries to come off as much more buttoned up and serious. Just own it, or drop it. Edit: (Okay, I'm now 30 minutes in, but I still plan on listening to this when I have more time).

[@HerrKlaus1963]

Do plan to release your book in other languages? My 7 years old would love it, aber nicht in Englisch.

[@sebden123]

During latest Joe Rogan episode with Hancock and Carlson. Joe ended the episode with asking if there were some archeologist watching who could come and debate them on this subject. I would like to see what Hancocks response to this critique is, could you please contact them and do the podcast?

[@tallyho2249]

He'd love it if someone came to debate him. They won't though, they'll just do videos like this.

[@boomanchu2]

An archeologist debating Hancock is like a PhD in Physics debating a flat Earther. One side brings evidence, the other side brings woo.

[@masonsmith1300]

@@tallyho2249 exactly.

[@rockysexton8720]

And bringing evidence to debate someone who is a master of the Gish gallop and pushing conspiracy theory in a forum controlled by a woo friendly stoner is not going to turn out well. May as well go debate a leading creationist at a non-accredited bible college with the debate moderated by the college dean.

[@MrBaskevin]

That could be amazing. I would love to hear how hancock would takle the pushback.

[@mik3c]

Maybe ants were all taught how to build colonies by some ancient ant civilization. Just throwing it out there.... "Antlantis." Ok I'll show myself out.

[@ShaneRichard2029]

your comment should have more likes, it's a great pun! and now i imagine a mix of "bug's life" and "atlantis : the lost empire"...

[@Rafaela.h]

😂😂😂

[@stephenconnolly3018]

what about the Lizard people?

[@crapbasletz]

Very good🎉

[@stephenconnolly3018]

I think Netflix would be interested for their American viewers. Antlantis should we be afraid to in to the garden.

[@Eckendenker]

I think the most funny thing about depictions of hunter gatherers is that the Flintstones is more accurate than a lot of stuff about "cave men" you see in some museums. These were real societies, people had modes of transportation, art, entertainment, trade and jobs. Basically everything we have but on another scale. They weren't swinging clubs and shoving raw meat in their mouths, but built homes, taught kids, sang songs, had parties, played pranks on each other and mourned their dead. Arguing that they were simpleton half humans that needed to be taught by a greater civilization is a disgrace to our kind and our ancestors.

[@LittleNala]

Absolutely agree - and it's good that a lot of recent facial reconstructions show earlier humans and close-humans having emotions other than teeth-baring savagery. There is a famous reconstruction that shows someone who lived in the south of the UK as dark-skinned, but blue-eyed, and with a big smile on his face. (He was only 10,000 years old, so fully human). As you say, earlier people played with their kids and probably told exaggerated tales about their hunting exploits round the camp fire - and their kids were probably bored, because they had heard them 100 times before!

[@theimmortal4718]

Half of the American Indian tribes were hunter gatherers, and we know a great deal about them

[@dasaggropop1244]

given the fact that these people had our brain capacity and probably comparable levels on intellect its not that surprising they figured out some smart things like basic geometry and appllied physics. even if there was some advanced earlier civilization...at some point these people had to be less advanced and learn those things for themselves...or you need an endless serious of predecessors

[@kai_maceration]

how could anyone think humans didn't mourn their dead? corvids mourn their dead together

[@davismosby9808]

My mental image of “hunter gatherers” is close to that of some Native American cultures, who have complex societies, but are still considered “savages”

[@katereinert3040]

I love that you are not afraid to admit that you don’t know something, AND promote the work of others who do know more than you about a subject. It’s very refreshing. And shows you are truly passionate about sharing KNOWLEDGE, not blind entertainment or myths that got passed on as facts at some point.

[@JonPITBZN]

I love the fact that Milo & Milo are giving each other shoutouts. I'm a fan of both of these guys!

[@keyholes]

Me too! They're my favourite two archaeology channels!

[@phraydedjez]

@@keyholes me too, but lil Milo slurps his drinks too loud and his edits make me dizzy lol

[@kai_maceration]

​@@phraydedjez yeah I like his videos but I really don't know why he puts so much emphasis on the slurps?? I guess for comedic effect...? it's just kinda painful as someone with misophonia haha..

[@frictionhitch]

Yep. They should just get together and create Milo and Milo. Collaboration like that creates great things. Lennon and McCartney? They did all right. You can do more together than alone. Not twice as much but approaching thrice as much. Cooperation and collaboration gets stuff done. Do it, Milos!

[@STDynamite8008]

Milo and Mr Milo

[@semaj_5022]

As far as the Quetzalcoatl thing, he was described as white and being associated with the color white in the myth, yes, but he was also described as a feathered serpent. In addition, he was one of four sort of major gods, the Four Tezcatlipocas, each of which was associated with a cardinal direction and a _color._ Quetzalcoatl was the White Tezcatlipoca, ruler of the west. There was also Xipe Totec, the Red Tezcatlipoca, ruler of the east, Huitzilopochtli, the Blue Tezcatlipoca and ruler of the south, and then there was Tezcatlipoca, the Black Tezcatlipoca and ruler of the North. So the whiteness of Quetzalcoatl doesn't quite mean what some people may desperately want it to mean.

[@keithdavison2960]

Thank you

[@semaj_5022]

@keithdavison2960 For sure. The various mythologies of the Americas are super complex and fascinating to me, Aztec mythology in particular. I never miss a chance to discuss them. Lol

[@martinishot]

The Aztecs and others in the region had no confusion or difficulty identifying who the Spaniards were as they landed on the coast and began to make their way inland. The moment they saw they're light skin brown blonde hair and blue green eyes they instantly believed them to be the return of the gods coming from the same place that Quetzalcoatl did.. The description of the gods in the stories handed down orally within their culture matched the Spaniards perfectly. This belief that they were the gods returning was so complete and total that they failed to realise they were incorrect and that these visitors did not have good intentions at all until it was too late.

[@semaj_5022]

@martinishot This isn't entirely accurate, and depending on your interpretation of Spanish writings after Cortes' conquest, could actually be completely false. The Spanish started calling themselves "tueles" some time after making landfall in the Americas, and it seems the locals adopted this name for them as well after a time. The word "tuele" is generally believed to have come from the Nahuatl word "teotl," and it's attribution to the Spaniards came from the Totonac, into the Nahuatl "teotl," then into Mayan, then into Spanish as "tuele." Most people today believe it means "god," and is evidence of how the locals saw the Spanish, but that's not quite right. Instead of "God" in the Greek, Nordic or even Abrahamic sense, it means something more similar to the Japanese word "Yokai," which include everything from household protection spirits to demons or monsters, and it seems much more likely that the locals were calling the Spanish something akin to "demons" or "inhuman." Much of the other evidence we have for how the locals viewed the Spanish comes from Spanish writers decades after the conquest, during the effort to Christianize the peoples of the Americas. Through this lens we see the conflation of prophecy, local religions and Christianity in the framing of the arrival and conquest of the Spanish. A key example here is the widely held belief that the Aztecs saw Cortes as a reincarnation of Quetzelcoatl. In this case it isn't the god but the semi-mythical king of Tula, Te Acatl Topiltzin Quetzalcoatl(who was associated with the god in question). This connection came from Cortes's arrival in the year One Reed, to which the calendrical portion of the king's name, Te Acatl, refers. However, the first appearance of the link between Cortes and the king comes many decades after the fact, again from Spanish writers. It is important to be aware of the context of history and of the modern lens through which we view these events, and to keep in mind the sources we have and what motivations the authors of these sources may have had in writing them. Edit: spelling

[@dennisbarbee6587]

But don't forget the supporting physical evidence of carving depicting him show him with a beard when none the indigenous people of that civilization could grow beards.

[@oviefan100]

I remember back in Uni in a class about Sumerian Archeology, the prof very clearly told us that if there was any proof of aliens visiting or anything like that, he'd love to be the first to publish about it and get it out there. I think generally people way underestimate how curious and open minded actual, trained, archeologist generally are. It's just that there's no evidence for the wild claims, not that they're trying to hide it.

[@varyolla435]

Not underestimate as much as are being deceived. Think = "niche market". Since the "alternative" schtick is monetizing their narratives they like any business want to reach as many potential customers as possible to maximize their profits. Hence knowing there are conspiracy-addled idiots out there who hate/fear all things "government" they accordingly "play the victim" to spread conspiracy theory allusions to make their narratives amenable to like-minded individuals. They have "a message" tailored to reach ever group. 🤨

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

There's a Hancock fan who is convinced that an archeologist would hide evidence of a new discovery because it would ruin what they told everyone was "fact" and make their books useless.

[@Johnboy33545]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime: 'a'? lots more than one, there's hordes of them.😀

[@robertgoode7285]

We live in the most technical advanced time ? Builders of skyscraper tell you they could not build a pyramid like the one in Egypt. Because it is nearly perfect. We simply can not replacate them today . So I totally disagree with you 100 % . Your making statements that are incorrect not true . Your definitely not a very curious person. Sorry for you . But that is ok .

[@ohishwaddup]

​@@robertgoode7285We can absolutely build pyramids like in Egypt. Just cause everyone doesn't agree on HOW they were built doesn't mean that ancient Egyptians or modern humans COULDN'T build them. It's easy for people to sell pop history by misrepresenting that. They're not more impressive than skyscrapers from a material and construction standpoint, so the idea that we could build a skyscraper but not an ancient pyramid today doesnt make sense logically. Early civilizations around the world built mounds and pyramids because they're easy and structurally stable to build. Architects still build pyramids today and could partner with historians and construction firms focusing in stone. It's just an extremely expensive and pointless project more than anything.

[@trevormillar1576]

Graham Hancock is the biggest shareholder in Tinfoil Hats R Us Inc.

[@Theboxingobserver]

And your paying him too. Mad.

[@SandyRiverBlue]

Just because there are fishermen all over the world, who lie about the biggest fish they have ever caught, doesn't mean that their stories are based on the story of Jonah.

[@MossyMozart]

Excellent observation. For example, Hawaiian oral histories about who people's ancestors were is, unfortunately for them, disproved by DNA studies.

[@SuperPlastered]

@@MossyMozartyep, apparently they came from Taiwan. Who knew?

[@JM4lN_PvP]

Are you religious?

[@SandyRiverBlue]

@@JM4lN_PvP No.

[@NotASeriousMoose]

​@@SuperPlasteredEhm, they were Polynesian, from Tahiti. If you push it back to Taiwan, you could equally say mainland China instead. Or why not just Africa while you're at it 😅

[@billdavis3183]

"You can't help but wonder do they pick on these sites because people are so unfamiliar with Mesoamerican history" - Bingo. They always try and pick a civilization the average person knows nothing about. It's like how the ancient aliens apparently only visit people who don't have a written record preserved. It's like these aliens are hanging around helping build these societies and then the moment they're about to be able to write about them, they pack up their space ships and phone home.

[@austinglueck2554]

It's funny they'll even sometimes pick on societies with a good amount of in tact record keeping too and just conveniently ignore all of the contradictory evidence, like the camps and quarries and ledgers of food and salaries around the great pyramids.

[@Johhny_B]

@adriannelson3644 You don't know what salient means but you wanted to use the word anyway so that you could try and sound clever. 😂

[@cheezbiscuit4140]

​@@Johhny_Bhow egregious of you

[@Sirjesterx]

​@@cheezbiscuit4140now you're just acting transcendent

[@JaviiaEvelyn]

It also always seems weirdly racist to me. It always seems to be aimed at cultures that Europeans have spent centuries oppressing + peddling ideas about being 'less evolved'. The ancient Egyptian, American, Polynesian, and Asian people could not possibly be evolved enough to create fantastic structures without a superior race coming to show them what to do. We'll just couch it as talking about 'primitive' hunter gatherers while completely ignoring the fact that hunter gatherers were smart actually and also conveniently not mentioning any European historical sites (except for Stonehenge, but afaik that's not brought up in the show. And also 1 example doesn't change the fact that the vast majority seem to follow that pattern)(edit: lol I finished writing this literally two minutes before he starts talking about Stonehenge haha) Also, I find it infuriating on another level, because isn't it so much more interesting to see people do incredible things? People crossed the pacific ocean using knowledge and ingenuity. People created massive, gorgeous structures that are standing after thousands of years. People had intricate burials on opposite sides of the world that preserved people well enough that we have their brains 9000 years later. People painted pictures that are both easily recognisable and extremely evocative, and we're finding them tens of thousands of years later and know what they were depicting. People changed the face of the landscape, or created impossibly difficult and beautiful and enduring things, simply for curiosity or because we could or to tell stories or because it was beautiful. This was US. WE did this. This is OUR history. WE figured this out. How does that not fill you with so much awe and pride and humbleness? Why would you rather our history being someone telling us how to do things, and not us figuring it out for ourselves, over and over in unique and distinct ways that still showcase what is universally important to us. I look at this stuff and feel so connected because it is so uniquely human, and we are still doing the same things and finding the same things important, 100 or 1000 or 10.000 years later. Look at how curious and smart we are, how attached we are to beauty and stories, how much we value ceremony and culture and find meaning in things. Idk, I just think in this context 'it was aliens/ancient global secret civilisation'' is the least interesting and most... Idk, cynical? Distancing? Eschewing connections?. It's bad. It's an uninteresting and disappointing answer. With racist undertones.

[@anadice-nemo]

A note on Quetzalcoatl being white, that's one of four color-coded deities, all of which gets a color, there's a black one, a red one, a white one and a blue one, and I'm doubtful it has much connection to human skin colors. I'm sure Ancient Aliens types would love to hop on the idea of Huitzilopochtli being confirmation of blue aliens or something, though. But yeah, 100% I think these people are capitalizing on the audience not knowing these things so they can bring something up in isolation and lead that into a claim unchallenged by the other information that would make such claims difficult at best.

[@MrShanester117]

There is no source that depicts Quetzalcoatl as white until after the Spaniards came

[@suzbone]

"Taking advantage of uneducated people so they can feed them misinformation" is exactly what's happening. My sister got involved with a Seventh Day Adventist church and now, after a lifetime of having no religious beliefs at all, she's sending me hours of videos of her church elders spewing *straight up lies* and telling me "people think Adventists are stupid, but we have some of the most educated people of all..." In the videos she sends, the audience are totally enraptured by obvious, *childish* BS. It infuriates and pains me. My sister has been transformed into someone who lives in a world filled with angels and demons, and now has horrible, antisocial values. The time she called me to tell me there really IS proof of the Great Flood, I got so distressed my hands were shaking and I almost had a panic attack. They took my sister when she was at her life's lowest and needed help, and they broke her brain and distanced her from her family 😢

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

it lines up with the medicine wheel concept in use by north american indigenous communities, each cardinal direction(north south east west) having a colour(white red yellow black) a season(winter spring summer fall) natural element(fire water wind earth) stage of development (elder adult adolescence and childhood) and a sacred medicine associated with it (tobacco sage sweetgrass cedar). ancient aliens wingnuts look too deeply into this and extrapolate things from this that never existed. it’s simply just a principle of occham’s razor here, the more simple explanation is more likely to be true. in what i’m more familiar with, the terms for the directions of the medicine wheel in Mi’gmawi’simg is Wjipnuk(east) Pkɨte'snuk(south) Tkɨsnuk(west) and Oqwatnuk(north). here it is centred around the east (Wjipnuk) because of the sun rising and the medicine wheel being used as a representation of the passage of the sun and seasons, where the sun travels in a clockwise direction. there are also uses of seven directions in Mi’kmaq traditional spirituality (Ktlamsitasuti) like up(the direction of creator Kji-Niskam, grandfather sun and grandmother moon) down(the direction of mother earth) and inwards(introspection and honouring ourselves and the spirit that exists within each of us)

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

@@suzbone that is so sad i’m so sorry. let’s just call it what it is- a cult- like that is predatory in nature and preys on vulnerable and desperate people like your sister. sending you love and support, i cannot imagine how rough it is to lose someone like that.

[@jaynestrange]

Is using the same term "white" to refer to the color of snow and to people with light skin even used in other languages? It seems like making that connection relies more on the English language.

[@Sirjesterx]

Your idea of a mexican coming to london and making a series where he speculates how all these 15th century buildings wouldnt exist without atlantis would make an excellent and humorous parody on graham hancocks netflix series. Now I just wish I could watch that 😂

[@sksk-bd7yv]

I'd pay to see that!

[@ChuyR.]

Mexican here, who lives in a 50,000 people town, to be honest, every time i go to a world class big city I am in awe asking myself, how could all of this have been made in just the last couple hundred years. Well i was also amazed at the amount of water Niagara falls was "wasting" so that on me.

[@dannydetonator]

@quierover4locas Jajaja, no piensas tan diferente como el hustler Hancock!!😅

[@ChuyR.]

@@dannydetonator jajaja,

[@breadconqueror27]

That’s literally Tartaria believers

[@trackertom]

Hancock has developed a persecution complex common in all conspiracy theorists. It makes critical analysis of one's own work impossible and outside criticism is seen as an attempt to sabotage not further understanding. This leads to social isolation and explains why these people group together, particularly online, and end up in echo chambers reinforcing each others beliefs. Contradictory evidence is seen as a personal attack rather than constructive criticism and is responded to emotionally rather than intellectually in most cases.

[@cattymajiv]

You've got it 100% right. I'm so damn sick of them that I wish they'd all ____ themselves. Or each other. Whatever. They are so bloody sensitive you can't even discuss the idea without getting reported. They are as immature and offensive as it gets.

[@vjara94]

You can say it louder but not clearer. It's basically what this an so many other conspiracy bs is

[@CHRB-nn6qp]

Exactly. They want their 'theories' to be true, so they convince themselves that they are true no matter what.

[@Stevk005]

What makes it worse if that his fanboys now do the exactly same thing. When you show/tell them evidence that contradicts what he says… they put their fingers in their ears.

[@tb9734]

@Irradicate just described himself and mainstream archealogists perfectly. Isn't that ironic. Group think is weak, but normal for those that are scared, and often lazy and weak minded. UnchartedX has put together a fair amount of work that can be found on KZbin.that takes a look at inexplicable evidence. The video on precision is a good example.

[@waltonsmith7210]

Stefan: mild mannered dork with a camera in his living room, representative of the status quo and iron enforcer of dogmatic orthodoxy. Graham: best selling author and millionaire with a Netflix Special, a brave rebellious iconoclast standing up to the Man.

[@StefanMilo]

This is my favourite comment 😂

[@waltonsmith7210]

@@StefanMilo when you contemplate the full absurdity of Graham Hancock's worldview you have to stand in awe. And I agree with you about his misrepresentation of archaeologists, that probably pisses me off more than anything, as well his disrespect for hunter gatherers. I hear new ideas from academia all the time. Graham Hancock pretty much sticks to the same six talking points.

[@drestarman]

@@waltonsmith7210 probably because they are closer to the truth. If u think Egyptians are the first organised civilization then you're more of a crack pot than Graham is.

[@tomkiefaber4297]

Bingo!

[@djsnoozeyalooze]

With all of the discussion about disinformation going on in the world, how can Netflix hand so much air time and budget to a complete charlatan? Oh, his son works there.

[@dominictarrsailing]

Graham Hancock was just the gateway drug that got me into Stefan Milo

[@varyolla435]

lol! Actually it was the algorithms of course. Sometimes I click on videos just to see what the algorithms will push into my feed to the left --------> It can generate a positive feedback loop of higher and higher levels of imbecility as the algorithms try to push you deeper and deeper down the rabbit holes here. 🤭

[@ripadipaflipa4672]

Graham H education is sociology and journalism I haven’t read his stuff but wonder if he is just putting out his hypothesis to get people talking. If so I don’t think it’s a bad thing however with all the ways we have to better prove dates of what archaeologists find there should be more evidence before putting it out there as fact. I enjoyed reading Michener because of the amount research he did when he wrote his “fiction”

[@varyolla435]

@@ripadipaflipa4672 Could people not simply talk about = what is rooted in historical reality.......... Also Hancock et al = are monetizing the response to their pseudoscientific/historical trash - while simultaneously trashing academia....... That makes it both incorrect from a fact-based perspective as well as disingenuous. Moral of the story: "what if......." almost never turns out to be = "what is......" That is why following evidence rather than whimsical speculation is preferable. 🤨

[@Pompinaros]

@@ripadipaflipa4672he’s doing it to gain money, it’s as simple as that imo. Obviously idk if he truly believes what he says as anyone who goes deep into the research finds the truth which is not what he writes about

[@phoebexavier7050]

@@ripadipaflipa4672 He's making money. That's it. Got his own f'n Netflix show didn't he?

[@silkshines00]

Everything I've learned about Hancock's views on archeology/archeologists makes me think he learned about the field 30yrs ago and never looked into it again.

[@varyolla435]

I would demur in so much as he is simply = parroting what others claimed - adding his own twists of course. He has not actually "learned" anything about this subject per se beyond what he tries to argue as supposed "gaps" in the historical/archeological record - which he can then exploit. He and other's entire argument is built upon those supposed gaps = making it both assumptive argumentation as well as illustrative of the fallacy known as "arguing from ignorance." p.s. - he has not changed his claims in all these years - despite actual experts pushing back and new discoveries - because of course he has no incentive to do so. As long as his worn out claims remain profitable = he will not alter them. That should tell people that he does not actually seek then to arrive at explanations for what we see. He is simply stoking "incredulity" and monetizing that. His game is in "the ask" = not "the answers" - which is what academia is seeking.

[@prince-solomon]

Clearly you have not looked into Hancock's views for 30+ years.

[@varyolla435]

@@prince-solomon Have those views fundamentally changed?? - nope. Even if he uses "new words" and confuddles that with newer scans or whatever = the original flawed premise of his argument remains. He and others are arguing for what can not be seen - thus they can not name it - and what is unsupported by the credible historical/archeological record. He continues to this day to traffick in = "argumentum ad ignorantiam" + "innuendo". A supposedly "lost" culture which can not be quantified based upon he and others attempting to "re-brand" artifacts sourced to other cultures as supposedly reflecting their own mythical one. That is not evidence and requires no "views on the subject" = it is garden variety "conjecture."

[@Petticca]

@prince-solomon Have they changed since he reiterated them in his recent Netflix docuseries of dishonesty?

[@MrShanester117]

He created a fiction story that made him millions upon millions of dollars. He had no incentive to prove himself wrong

[@alexteoli3378]

I'm from Malta and apparently the scientist they used in the Malta episode was unhappy with how she was portrayed. She said that her words/arguments were edited in a way to support Hancock's view or to make it seem she agreed with Hancock when that really wasn't the case.

[@sandersamu4655]

Where can I find the source?

[@clownindan]

@@sandersamu4655 source is trust me bro.

[@rockysexton8720]

Source is that is SOP for fringe research programming whether it be ancient aliens, America unearthed, or hancocks drug addled nonsense. Actual expert appearances are few and far between and often rather brief cut in oadt jobs to get a 5 second sound bite out of a 30 minute interview that then gives the appearance of supporting whatever BS is getting pushed.

[@flaviuskevus9157]

@rockysexton8720 lol so "no evidence" then? Ironic. You seem obsessed as well. Your comments are everywhere.

[@alexteoli3378]

Whoa, didn't even see these comments! Let me try and find the source :)

[@RedHeadedAuthor]

The Quetzocoatl being "white" part comes from a more recent myth and wasn't to do with his skin color. The color was used alongside black, red, and blue to describe four siblings (all listed as Tezcatlipoca who has a whole different background in older myths). Like, it's stuff that Hancock could literally just google.

[@rockysexton8720]

Prior to his last book Hancock used terms like white or lightskinned, or referenced sources which stated this, this on multiple occasions to describe his lost civilization. As you noted he did this without serious critical analysis of the sources that he used. He backed off from this somewhat because of criticism. Much like he backed off of his Atlantis in antarctica position. He has also gotten vague or wishy washy about what he specifically means by civilization. The problem being that a lot of the material in his series is actually drawn from earlier works. So he cherry picks what he is presenting, drawing from earlier works and some of his most recent book and statements elsewhere. Apparently deciding to tone down the woo factor for the sake of a broader audience. That's why I don't think you see him on camera going into issues like the use of psychic powers to build pyramids which he tries to spin as a form of hi-tech in the absence of actual materials that might be associated with his earlier versions of hi-tech. Don't think he goes into the topic of drug either which he is happy to discuss in other settings. He certainly knows how to preach to different congregations.

[@amitmeena2961]

What makes Google the arbitrar of truth? Just simply hate it everytime I hear "just Google it". Google is not made up of honour or values to show the truth. Google dances on the tune of anyone who throws money at it or threatens it.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@rockysexton8720 "He has also gotten vague or wishy washy about what he specifically means by civilization" Exactly - the more non specific he makes it the easier he can shrug off criticisms and keep people buying into his media.

[@rockysexton8720]

@@mnomadvfx I suspect that he has at least one more book in him, maybe two. Can likely milk Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis AND a lost civilization for one more book. By the second he will probably be on to another type of cataclysm, another location of the alleged civilization, and his definition of civilization and technology will be so flexible and versatile that he can throw even more darts against the wall and spend 300 pages drawing bullseyes around them for $29.95. The same people who bought into earth crust displacement/antarctica 20 years ago and comet impact/north america now will be back out in force to defend him again. Or, it really won't surprise me if he tries to work an ancient aliens angle at that point.

[@michaelfulford6330]

As I recall he even asserted that Osiris was white. Which is bizarre. I've read a number of Egyptian myths and seen a number of egyptian depictions of the god and never seen white used.

[@FilmmakerJ]

Every time I watch a video series debunk ancient alien or Atlantis theories like this, I'm always struck by the conspiracy theorists outright ignoring the examples of stone work, statuary or other carvings that are half finished, and the tools that are sometimes still left in the ground nearby. I'm also struck by how these people can work on their theories for decades and yet never recognize that ancient people's were not as primitive as we've been led to believe. In fact, most of the cultural misconceptions we have about ancient cultures likely come from Hollywood's general lack of historical accuracy, because visually and narratively, being accurate doesn't tend to play much into the story they're telling. Hollywood has also avoided most ancient historical tales in favor of dozens of films taking place in Greece and Egypt, and rarely showing examples of how things were built or carved because again, those things aren't important to the film narrative. So it's no wonder that the much more clever mechanical devices that were actually built to solve construction problems never get the exposure they deserve, and we simply assume ancient people had no concept of pullies, clockwork, rotational energy, or what have you. Sure, we can believe that ancient cultures were capable of learning how to melt and craft bronze metals despite how long that must have taken to go from zero knowledge to body armor and blades, but we just can't believe those same people could construct blocks of stone with perfect right angles? Not to mention, no one who purports these theories ever seems to recognize their bias that "all humans, for all time, must have been as impatient as we are now." We get near instant gratification on everything from food, to transportation, to information, and construction is profoundly quicker to execute. But back 1000s of years ago, everything took time, lots of it. So the idea that sculpting a single column 15 feet tall for 8 months to a year might seem absurd to us today, but there's plenty of evidence that it wasn't back then. Most large buildings, in any major era, took decades to build until we invented power tools and hydraulic cranes.

[@zapee3766]

You dont need adderall. Your doctor is wrong.

[@helenamcginty4920]

I think the 1st antiquarians had a lot to answer for regarding the underestimation of our prehistoric ancestors. They (antiquarians not prehistoric ancestors) were wealthy people often clergymen with enough money not to have to work and time to wander round looking at stuff. They considered working people to be a sub species. Due mostly I suspect to their education being based on ancient Greek and Latin ideas on social stratification. It is still apparent in our current crop of old etonian politicians. None of these gentlemen seems ever to have asked a stonemason for his opinion on how Stonehenge or any of the preceding long barrows were built. So assumed it was the Romans or Merlin (by magic) But people had been hauling huge boulders around the countryside for more than 1000 years before Stonehenge was built. They had lots of practice. And the comment above about older buildings is quite correct. It often took 100s of years to build a cathedral for instance. York Minster took 250 yrs.

[@histguy101]

@@helenamcginty4920 They were still moving massive stones around in the "antiquarians" day also. Who specifically are you referring to?

[@histguy101]

@JW The ancient Egyptians weren't hunter gatherers. The were an advanced bronze-iron age civilization. They were some of the best stone-workers in history, and also had a very sophisticated society, an advanced bureaucracy, a military, a navy, a social order, an organized religious order. They engaged in international trade. "One thousandths of an inch" is totally meaningless without any context. Do you mean the accuracy of a right angle at a certain distance?

[@niklar55]

The problem stems from the fact that archaeologists have little or no technological training or knowledge, so if they don't understand how it could be done, ''then it couldn't be done''! The example of cutting granite, is typical. Several incompetent attempts have been made to cut granite using a copper blade and sand. However the ignorance of the perpetrators ensured that it failed. The reason is simple, _they used the wrong sand!_ Desert sand is rounded, by being constantly wind blown against itself, so is more like ball bearings. What is required is _sharp_ sand or grit. In fact the egyptians imported many components from all across europe for their construction projects. Records of many of their transactions have been discovered on papyrus scrolls that have survived. Amongst them would be materials like carborundum grit, which will grind pretty well anything. There's a video on youtube where boring granite with a copper tube is demonstrated quite clearly, easily, and successfully. The same could be achieved for cutting granite into slices, using a copper wire ''rope'' and carborundum paste setup like a bandsaw. To produce electricity is also easy, using no moving parts, so advanced machining, to make motors, would not be required. It's called a thermocouple. There is also the piezoelectric effect. The ignorance (actual or deliberate) of most theorists. regarding ancient Egyptians, shouts loudly. .

[@deathmagneto-soy]

I only ended up here because I heard how much your channel annoys the Hancock simps. Absolutely loving it so far 👍

[@chase5298]

It’s disturbing how out of touch with reality some people are even when presented with a clear and easy to understand refuting of his bs

[@markmcloughlin3711]

Whatever to say groomer..stay away From kids!

[@caseco4979]

The comments under this video are mind blowing. I was in to this type of stuff and then I watched this series 😂. Its so blatantly fallacious i couldnt help but go "ok yeah this is mostly BS." To get through the whole series and still believe requires some serious gymnastics which you can see here in the comments.

[@elhomiegordo330]

“I’m not even motivated by money at-“ “Sponsored by morning brew” most underrated joke of all time😂😂😂😂

[@anon7661]

It's free

[@CaraTheStrange]

@@anon7661 Hes getting paid to promote them, sponsorships are not free even if the product they are advertising is free

[@meneeraardappel5284]

Spot on the money🤣

[@Swimmer1128]

This is really too bad. But it's OK. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear will. 😀 I study the research papers not KZbin. Big difference and everyone use your discernment! At the tepe sites in Turkey there are 8 fingered humanoid figures. That being said, AI has been generating "party pictures" of "people" with 8 fingers. Food for thought on that is all I'm saying. Also, the Maui (statues at Easter Island) are also holding their navel just like the t shaped pillars as at the many tepe sites. All we need do is look without judgemental eyes and allow all to have their own opinions. I love each and all of you equally. All I know is something big is happening and there are many of us who are feeling this "pull" in our heart chakras. ❤️ Why are you so afraid of him friend? Just curious truly

[@oldcremona]

Stephan is not motivated by money like Graham Hancock is. Money is the driving force behind any myth-based philosophy.

[@church348]

between this show and Netflix's Cleopatra it is pretty clear that Netflix doesn't want to make shows about reality. sensationalist and false history brings in more views, and they also draw in people like yourself because you know how wrong it is, and that just adds to the viewers and gets them more money.

[@varyolla435]

Of course. Pseudoscience/history has always been = a business. So Netflix is merely cashing in on this trash much as other networks do. If you look you'll note that large communications companies which own multiple channels will generate differing programming geared towards specific channels. So A&E as an example owns A&E channel obviously - but they also own the History Channel. A&E runs documentaries - whereas HC shows a lot of reality TV and pseudoscientific/historical trash. Thus A&E network wanting to reach the broadest audience possible traffics in both trash and more reputable programming to maximize its profit. Netflix is simply doing the same. They're all about the dollars - nothing more. 🤨

[@topiheimola69]

What a shocker! You need not go further than the front page of Netflix and look at all the LGBT bullshit to realize that

[@evorbis]

@wmk4454 hbo was actually pretty accurate

[@TheBestEverEverEver]

They want to rewrite history to make it uhhh- a little more “awake” if you know what I’m saying. They hate reality and history and would rather steal the legacy and achievements of others and attribute it to their ancestors. Funny how the “party of science” hates it and history.

[@bfox89]

How someone from Macedonian genetics became Nubian is mind boggling

[@drakesandate9215]

On the flood myth. My people(Chemehuevi Tribe), our creation story started with a great flood. Where the entire world was covered in water. The old people thought the world like the moon, a ball constantly rotating around a great spirit. I find it unique how my family have the flood story, and others around the world have flood stories.

[@josephyoung252]

👆>>

[@alaka5623]

There have always been floods just not that large

[@autonomousthought4106]

@@alaka5623 there wouldn't have been a word for "world" like there is now. they obviously weren't aware of the globe, the whole planet, so the word being called "world" could have just meant the land they knew of, which is possible.

[@DaleC0oper]

Its because there was a great flood

[@Farazormal1]

@@DaleC0oper its because civilizations popped up in areas that were naturally prone to flooding, flooding was a natural occurrence and myth are exaggerations of events that really happened. Civilizations all around the world were based in river valleys that were suited to agriculture, these made them also vulnerable to floods, they developed myths around these floods. It's not that deep

[@albertcapley6894]

It's really fascinating to stumble upon this video in the wake of Hancock actually debating a physical anthropologist in person, which I tried to watch, and after about halfway through I gave up, growing tired of hearing him essentially repeat "yes but you haven't searched the entire ocean floor have you, check make archaeologist!" I tend to be pretty charitable with people who have very unscientific methodology, but Hancock really pushes my buttons, he acts like a petulant child over academics skewering his "research" as if that's not what academics do to each other on a professional level; this is how we determine the veracity of, not only data, but the methodologies we apply to them in order to test theories. It must be rigorous enough, at least, to demand evidence, something Hancock appears to be very estranged from. Plus, after all these decades, and he's been doing this longer than I've been alive, all this time and he still doesn't know how common straight line fractures in rock formations are VERY common, and seeing them is no more an indication of human artifice than, say, the grand canyon is. While it is true that human stone working often incorporated this fact, it is not because humans came up with it, but because we adapted to that physical reality. That's just one of my personal pet peeves, because I've only taken geology at the 100 level in university... And I know this, and comparatively, I know nothing about geology, Hancock should have picked up textbooks compared to what I know, by now. He ignores anything which doesn't fit his conclusion.

[@TheBestEverEverEver]

THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one who noticed his childish quipping teenage demeanor. So many actions that resembled an emotional 13 year old and my lord 🙄 the amount of false “check mate” moments was torture. Joe backing him every step of the way made me lose a lot of respect for him.

[@albertcapley6894]

@@TheBestEverEverEver honestly, hats off to Flint, I don't know how he endured all of that "debate" and only got scathingly sarcastic with Hancock a handful of times. Very professional guy, I couldn't have done it.

[@murphymagic33]

Rogan's mob of fans have done terrible things to that guy who debated Hancock on the pod cast. He has had his personal details released on line , had folk incite violence toward him. They have criticised his institution and tried to make out he should be prevented from teaching his students, all because he want on the podcast .. All very nasty and shameful. Hancock seems content to hide under Rogan's wing and have Rogan's mob do what Hancock cant do through reasoned argument

[@Zogerpogger]

My brain 5 seconds ago: "Alright, let's get some work done." *sees this video in recomendations* My Brain now: "This is incredibly high-priority, even though you need to complete your work in the next two hours, the immediate viewing of this video is vital."

[@brooklyna007]

"Looks like I'll be losing my job today. Darn you, Stefan!"

[@Zogerpogger]

@@brooklyna007 "Curse you Stephan!" he said, as he removed the eviction notice from his door, before returning to his computer to finish the video he was watching.

[@brooklyna007]

@@Zogerpogger LMAO!

[@oneirois7461]

I really like enjoy how calm and reasonable you are I like that while criticising you aren’t being overly mean and derogatory but rather trying to teach about history and the amazing people who existed before us

[@Ateesh6782]

like: “I don’t know how we could prove H is right…” which is sooo refreshing as compared to the typical knee-jerk impulse to DEBUNK whomever… :)

[@ShimmyD-u7g]

I enjoyed the show, and knew it was pure entertainment and not legit science. I was shaking my head a lot while watching and tossing out questions, but still it was enjoyable, mostly to see the locations they visited.

[@HHHKingofKings58]

Yeah like weirdly talking about his mixed raced son and how he wouldn't be surprised if one of the people in the documentaries was a nazi because he used the word Aryan

[@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv]

@@HHHKingofKings58 *Mentioning his mixed race son while expressing his opinion that Hancock is not a racist person. There's literally nothing weird about that when you don't deliberately take it out of context.

[@HHHKingofKings58]

@@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv cope

[@premodernist_history]

I love the idea of Atlanteans' only food source being domesticated dogs.

[@jeanettewaverly2590]

I don’t think many dogs will support this theory.

[@keithklassen5320]

@@jeanettewaverly2590 I happen to be an Atlantean dog and I'm actually pretty ok with it.

[@jeanettewaverly2590]

@@keithklassen5320 That’s probably why you’re extinct.

[@frojojo5717]

I recommend the Pug-Only diet. Good for the body. Good for the soul.

[@jeanettewaverly2590]

@@frojojo5717 It May cause your head to tilt at random intervals.

[@Shakazaramesh]

I really like psychedelic drugs too, but the community surrounding them is pretty terrible. People who are into them are very likely to hold a bunch of ridiculous pseudoscientific beliefs and it's honestly made me embarrassed to admit that I like them too. There was a period in my life when I was doing them too often (LSD two or three times a month) and it does start to warp the way you think after a while, and not in a good way. I never really went off the deep end like some people do, but when I took a break I realized how unhealthy it was and I could see how people fall down that rabbit hole.

[@majav15mg]

How is the psychedelic community terrible? Have you had an actual breakthrough on DMT? What’s the highest dose of a psychedelic you’ve taken?

[@Shakazaramesh]

@@majav15mg This is a great example of what I'm talking about, thanks for that. Yes I've had breakthroughs on DMT, it's an incredible experience. A lot of people in the psychedelic community delude themselves into thinking that they're actually communicating with extradimensional entities when they have that experience, and others in the community reinforce their delusions, that's one reason I dislike it. We're just messing with our brain chemistry, there's nothing supernatural at work.

[@nnonotnow]

I saw the movie chariots of the gods several years ago. And they propose these ideas about what they found at different archaeological sites. And they proposed they were signs of ancient aliens and were here and actually built the pyramids. It actually helped stimulate my interest in archaeology. And after getting more involved with studying and reading about archeology I realized it was all based on unscientific research. Start with a solution and then work backwards. Finding evidence that fits. Having that experience, I quickly recognized ancient Armageddon as a similar kind of endeavor and wouldn't watch it. So I appreciate what you're doing . I can't sit through the whole thing but keep up the great work.

[@Angelina1966504]

They’re all ridiculous Conspiracy stories basically. Archaeologists have nothing to hide. In fact they want to teach people about Archaeology.

[@joshuahadams]

On _Chariots of the Gods,_ the editor Von Däniken had was an editor for both the Hitler Youth and _Volkische Beobachter,_ Wilhelm Uterman. The newspaper was based in antisemitism and part of the rising ethno-nationalist movement in Germany in the late 1910s and into 1920s following the end of the Great War. By 1921 it was solely owned by Adolf Hitler and was used to push propaganda for the Nazi Party on its way to consolidating power. By 1940 Uterman was publishing wartime propaganda based on the stories from the front lines, trying to make it more appealing to the public.

[@taranullius9221]

First pro tip: why did a lifeform that could master deep space travel (beyond actual physical capability), many thousands of years ago not teach us about basic metallurgy? Do you think their space ships were built out of hammered copper? Maybe if we're really lucky, a simple alloy to make bronze? Why did you buy it even for a nanosecond?

[@Star-pl1xs]

@@taranullius9221 ,,,,,because as they've already implied, they were a complete novice & it was an introductory piece of media to the field that they soon came around to reject once they knew better? bizarrely bitter tone

[@minowilovemypet]

@@Star-pl1xs honestly if they didn't teach basic thing then they basically have eveil intention (if we think this insane ideas is real) then they are basically planning to make us a "worker" race honestly i wouldn't like if they are real

[@bagbroch9339]

Hancocks son being a Netflix exec was a very interesting tidbit

[@tallyho2249]

And your point is?

[@tuananhhoang7113]

@@tallyho2249 for a person who always claimed to be a small player who got silenced by some grand scheme then he and his family is doing awfully well and raking up some nice cash along the way.

[@thisaccountisdead168]

@@tallyho2249 The point is Hancock loves to claim he's being silenced. Yet here he clearly isn't.

[@drewbocop]

@@thisaccountisdead168 Have you read the comments on this video alone?

[@signoguns8501]

@@drewbocop What are you implying? Getting an 8-part series on the biggest streaming service in the world is the opposite of being silenced. If anything, his views are being promoted.

[@SandhillCrane42]

Atlantis: where the dog's milk flowed like wine.

[@lisarochwarg4707]

Dog's milk, women and song, as they say.

[@Dantevonlocke]

Why did I read this in the cadence for Sal Tlay Ka Siti from the book of mormon.

[@kevinmcinerney1959]

I'm sorry. I can't respect a video which isn't the result of a hefty Netflix contract, and doesn't have dramatic images of sites taken at sunrise and sunset, with portentous music.

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

One of the main things he has going for him is that most average people don't realise how advanced prehistorical societies really were, many people picture simple cavemen with rocks where people were much more culturally advanced than that for a long time.

[@shuheihisagi6689]

So he is scamming people with his dumb eurocentric books because everybody thinks history is boring.

[@NovaHawk]

I really don't think people believe that at all? If you ask a 10 year old they would even be able to distinguish ancient Egypt from cavemen what a false statement.

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

@@NovaHawk Well you're a grown adult who can't seem to distinguish the difference between prehistoric and bronze age cultures, so....

[@NovaHawk]

You are totally missing my point .. deliberately I used Egypt as an example as I doubt a 10 yo would have heard of the Neolithic period for example but probs can tell you Stonehenge wasnt built by guys in caves with stones lol...

[@bobwilson7684]

@@NovaHawk yes people do, ask to any average citizen in the world what do they think of a pigmee in africa.....milo´s followers....

[@Lela-plants]

As a Louisiana native, i can say Poverty Point is awe inspiring. When you think of what it took to make it and all the sites listed, it is hard not to feel small and oh, so humbled at what our ancestors were able to accomplish.

[@DMac12flyers]

I've never been as an adult I need to go back. The historical Natchitoches is also pretty cool on a smaller scale.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

I watched a talk by one of the researchers on it, it should be called Richness Point!

[@js70371]

Do you know why they call it Poverty Point? Seems like a rather unsuitable name considering that the people who constructed it lived there in anything BUT poverty. 🤔

[@rockysexton8720]

@@js70371 It is supposed to be named after a 19th century plantation in the area. But that begs the question of why they named the plantation poverty point. Interesting to note that there is an even older large earthen mounds site south of there. Watson's Break, I think. Also, built by people that the archaeological data indicate were hunter gatherers.

[@Lela-plants]

@@DMac12flyers I love making a day trip to Natchitoches. It’s always a new place!

[@liwoszarchaeologist]

+PLUS 1,000,000 POINTS for bringing up Polynesian ocean crossings. Confirming it also involved some epic experimental archaeology, resulting in the construction of the canoe ("wa'a") Hoku'lea, which still sails worldwide today over 50 years after she was built.

[@xXLordoftheRingsXx22]

If you ever get the chance to take a tour of Hoku’lea while it’s in port, do it. I gratefully had the chance last year while it was docked in Northern California. So much mana on that boat

[@liwoszarchaeologist]

@@xXLordoftheRingsXx22 I've actually volunteered with PVS to work on that boat! And Hawai'iloa, and even sailed on on Hikianalia =-) Agreed lots of mana

[@deborahborlase7100]

Please get a Mexican historian to create a parody of the English making Westminster Abbey with the help of Atlantis. It would be hilarious! Monty Python will have returned with a Mexican accent!!

[@annk.8750]

Halley's Comet comes at least once a century, so within a certain margin of error, ANY century you pick might fit as well with the comet hypothesis as any other. I think conflating an obvious snake with a comet is a really long stretch of Hancock's imagination.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Snakes are the one thing everyone agrees are comets.

[@Johnboy33545]

@@TheFourthWinchester: "...when they're tripping."🤣🪱

[@MossyMozart]

@annk.8750 - Snakes are nearly ubiquitous in the world. Some are huge and can hunt people, some are extremely venomous and can kill quickly. In both instances, an animal that elicits much fearful respect. No wonder people would hold them in awe. That they would be confused with comets (not just Halley's) is plain silly.

[@pallejensen9484]

More correctly about every 75 to 76 years

[@scottalan4655]

​@@MossyMozartsilly like your statement of course people compare things they know with things they dont understand

[@Luney_0296]

Me (at 3 am): "Huh, this sounds like something to fall asleep to. Nice!" Stefan: "Just put this on and go to sleep." Me: "Well, now I won't do it!"

[@Lance_Lough]

As much as I appreciate your defense of the scientific method against this sort of directed conjecture, I was equally impressed by your informal, low-key presentation. No pretenses, just a plain declaration of the ideas involved. (..the important part!) Nicely human touches too with the interruptions to settle the kids or find the right book. A most informative and pleasant two hours. Thanks for your time and effort!

[@JHaven-lg7lj]

Welcome to the viewership, we enjoy his low-key presentation too :) Although it’s odd not to see the microphone on the spoon so much anymore… Stefan, thank you so much for this - such a huge task to watch and analyze each episode, and then explain why various things don’t work, without belittling Hancock or his believers. It’s frustrating because there clearly are things that Science as a monolith stands firmly against despite evidence, because of internal politics or sometimes one person’s deep bias (human populations in the americas, for instance) and going against that monolith does look like craziness sometimes. But then there are people like Hancock who decide what they want the result to be and cherry-pick the evidence along the way, confusing issues and making serious refinement more difficult.

[@jonathanmcdonald1994]

"we don't need an advanced civilization for people to read the night sky" .... well yes you do as hunter-gatherers wouldn't be able to...

[@thatindiandude4602]

@@jonathanmcdonald1994 actually, hunter gatherer societies have had this capability.

[@twerktospec]

So you are manipulated by simple things. COOL

[@jamescregan2052]

GRAHAM HANCOCK....IS TOP OF THE RANGE.....AND IS DEAD RIGHT IN WHAT HE IS ALWAYS SAYING.....END OF STORY...

[@JS-kh5ls]

I watched the ancient apocolypse when it first aired, watching this 2 years later. I had the same reaction to graham as I was watching it. He offers no evidense himself, just speculation. Keep up the good work

[@DogWalkerBill]

"History with Kayleigh" points out that at Göbekli Tepe, we've only excavated about 5% of the site. We might discover all kinds of things if we got the money and effort to excavate the whole site or even 50% of it!

[@OrangeNash]

Makes you wonder what they are hiding. The alien spaceship, most likely.

[@Smorb42]

A) We are still actively investigating the sight. B) we intentionally leave stuff buried so that future tech can help investigate it more.

[@30101Redbeard]

I only found this channel from Miniminuteman, I love that both of you look at as much data as possible and reference other channels to ensure a community is built and the free exchange of ideas is not only encouraged, but fostered.

[@jaypegtv]

i'm being silenced on my multi episode netflix documentary

[@conorthompson943]

for real 🤣

[@STORMINOUTG2G]

You conveniently forget that he finally got a netflix show after decades of doing his studies.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

​@@STORMINOUTG2G you mean his son got him a Netflix show.

[@STORMINOUTG2G]

@@MaryAnnNytowl so you're upset that his son became successful or what?

[@didncozosksma4466]

And multiple episodes on the Joe Rogan podcast, the biggest in the world.

[@JonathanPriestley]

Stefan, PLEASE do a critique of Graham Vs Flint Dibble on JRE! Absolutely loved watching this.

[@ImGodTheMaryBanger]

I can give you a summary Actually I don't remember I was too distracted by flints oversized novelty sleeves

[@markmcloughlin3711]

​@@ImGodTheMaryBangerhe looks like an idiot 😂

[@MrPek-fe9fp]

​@@ImGodTheMaryBanger most archeologic looking archeologist that ever archeologized

[@AncientArchitects]

Absolutely brilliant, Stefan. You're so good at this kind of content, respectful, knowledgeable and engaging! Awesome work.

[@StefanMilo]

Cheers Matt!

[@And_Rec]

The ant analogy was spot on, and blew my mind, I'm gonna steal it for some conspiracy theorists and ancient aliens dudes

[@GARCIAOFFICAL]

could you provide a time stamp for that? I watched other milo's series and I just came here to skim through this one as well~

[@LukeGeaney]

@@GARCIAOFFICAL not OP but I think 22:10 onwards. I found it by opening the video transcript and searching for " ants ", in case that is a useful technique for you in the future.

[@drrickmarshall1191]

​@@LukeGeaneyAwesome tip man, thank you.

[@javieraaravena]

​@@slink4956except hancock is not actually suggesting a different species for his advanced civilization

[@donterivera6729]

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[@mad555555]

Was never expecting a 2-hour video/podcast from you on this topic. The way you presented it and everything you said was perfect. I watched the other reviews from other and yours is by far the best. Keep up the great work!

[@FourOf92000]

hot take: I think Graham Hancock genuinely believes his theories are true. But that's because he has to, not just because his money would dry up if he changed his mind but because if he's wrong, then he's wasted the past two decades of his life. And motivated reasoning is a he[ck] of a drug.

[@uzimonkey]

The problem with debunking a gish gallop is that it takes no effort to lie, but quite a lot of effort to debunk that lie.

[@islandbuoy4]

is it really that difficult to prove the fake son of god walked on water and fed 5000 of his flock using only 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread? if so ... why?

[@twomp5613]

@@islandbuoy4wtf does Jesus have to do with anything.

[@tallyho2249]

I would have thought that dedicating decades of ones life to research including hundreds of dives to submerged sites, expeditions to every corner of the world and a string of meticulously referenced books would equate to at least SOME effort on his part. But I guess not, should have read some academics who sit behind their state-funded desks and tell us all how it all used to be.

[@uzimonkey]

@@tallyho2249 "Meticulously referenced books?" Are we talking about the same person? Most the claims he makes in his books are not backed by any evidence at all. He could have skipped all those dives if he's just going to make things up.

[@Rynewulf]

@@tallyho2249 Hancock regularly quotes Donally, a 1800s academic type who invented the idea of hollow earth and wrote most modern ideas on Atlantis. Hancock doesnt do research, he steals from the same places all the other people who put their names on as many 'history' books and tv shows about giants and psychics have been doing for 100 years straight

[@MajoraZ]

Glad to see you cover this! I already sent you most of this, but for other viewers, since I do a lot of stuff with Mesoamerica: My main takeaway is that that Hancock relies on the general public ignorance about Mesoamerican history and archeology to present accepted info as extraordinary or astonishing, and then acts as if that info totally undermines everything archeologists say they know, when in reality it's not really a big deal. For example, with Cholula, he presents the fact that the Pyramid has layers as some sort of unexpected find, the implication being that it calls into question the pyramid's age. But pyramids being built sequentially in layers is VERY common in Mesoamerica:, with expansions built as new kings took power or during important cosmological milestones. And the specific layers of the Great Pyramid of Cholula is well studied in particular, due to fact that the structure wasn't destroyed by the Spanish (see below). Hancock even explicitly says he doesn't even dispute that dating (which makes this whole segment feel pointless and dishonest, since he's clearly still trying to make people skeptical). I also found his framing of it being located over water as something special and then asking "What made these people build it here?" to be sort of absurd: He answers his own question! Pools of water, mirrors, caves, etc were all tied to underworld entrances in Mesoamerican cosmology, many Pyramids were placed over them. He even draws attention to this, bringing up that the Giza Pyramid and some other one in SEA were built over water sources too, and tries to present those doing it and Mesoamerican ones doing it as them being connected (but doesn't claim a bunch of Egyptian, SEA, etc pyramids did it, so those could be outliers), and likewise tries to draw connections between all pyramids globally because "all pyramids have connections to death and rebirth"... but that doesn't really work here, as Mesoamerican pyramids were primarily temples, not tombs like in Egypt. Yes, there were occasionally buried remains and ceremonial goods, re: 45:16, but even these were usually more ritual offerings to consecrate the construction of new phases of the pyramid: Fundamentally Meso. and Egyptian pyramids were different structures that just have a similar shape. (There's even Meso. Pyramids used as administrative buildings, sorta!) I also found that the show misrepresents the Cholula researcher's statements: At one point, Hancock asks "Is that enough to be confident enough about the full story", and of course he basically says "No, there's a lot of work to be done to teach us more about Mesoamerica". That's not the researcher saying "Everything we think we know is wrong" (which is what Hancock wants it to come off as) it's just him saying that there's still more excavations to do that will help fill in what gaps are left, because there's always more we can learn. And when the researcher said something like "Knowing more about Cholula would let us rethink Mesoamerican as a whole": The researcher's point was likely that a better understanding of Cholula would give us a better picture of how social, political and religious trends changed in Mesoamerica over time (since Cholula existed as small village in 1000BC all the way to being one of the region's largest cities with 40k denizens as of Spanish contact) and since the city had widespread religious influence, that more info on Cholula would likewise yield insights into other parts of Mesoamerica. The 3d render of Cholula was also flawed: It just had buildings evenly spaced in a solid sheet around the Pyramid. No roads, city planning, etc: Mesoamerican cities usually had a central urban core with temples, palaces and other elite housing/administrative buildings, ball courts, etc, all richly painted and decorated, organized around open plazas, arranged for communal activities and ritualistic alignment. And then around that you had suburbs of commoner housing interspersed with agricultural land, etc, with the suburbs gradually decreasing in density the further out you go (in some cases, covering hundreds of square kilometers). Both the core and in some cases the suburbs had roads, aquaducts, etc. The Pyramid in the render was also grey and barren and mossy: if the render is intended to show the structure at it's apex, then it should be painted and adorned with sculptures, reliefs, etc. If it's depicting it as of Spanish contact (which is what the graphics suggest), then it would've been buried in soil: The entire reason it's intact today is the Spanish mistook it as a hill, since the city had built a new Great Pyramid it was using instead. Other quick Cholula corrections: The show also mislabels some Teotihuacan frescos as being from Cholula; gets some of the dating wrong; and claims the whole pyramid was straw and adobe brick when that's just the earliest layers and some of the structural fill: The exterior layers of most stages was stone as was even some of the structural fill in the later stages. Moving onto Texcotzinco, firstly, this is an INCREDIBLE site more people should know about, and it's quite a bit more then a flattened part of a hill re 47:45: : This was a royal estate/retreat for rulers of Texcoco, the second most powerful Aztec city. It sourced water from 5 miles of aqueducts (some elevated 150 feet off the ground) which brought the water to a series of pools and channels to control the flow rate on an adjacent hill, then across the gorge between there and Texcotzinco, where it flowed into a circuit around Texcotzinco's summit, into the site's painted shrines, pools, fountains, etc, and then formed artificial waterfalls which watered the botanical gardens at the hill's base, which had different sections to mimic different Mexican biomes. Of course it also had a palace at the top of the mountain's peak, etc. In Aztec historical sources, the site's construction is credited to Nezahualcoyotl, Texcoco's most famous king who also is stated to have designed other levees and aqueduct system at other Aztec cities. So right off the bat, Hancock is fighting against written sources here. But, it should be noted that the accounts which credit Nezahualcoyotl are written by his descendent, Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxóchitl, for the specific purpose of glorifying Texcoco to the Spanish and we do know he twisted details (EX: claiming Nezahualcoyotl worshipped a monotheistic god and rejected sacrifice). There's a whole book on this, "The Allure of Nezahualcoyotl" and I know Dr. Susan Toby Evans has a lot of papers on Texcotzinco, but off the top of my head IDK if we have hard dating proving it was constructed when Fernando Ixtlilxóchitl claims it was... ...However, Hancock's arguments are still pretty flawed: The justification the guy Hancock brings on (who is presented like the Cholula expert, but this is just a guy who ruins a pseudoarcheology blog and hasn't done research at the site) is nonsense, and is basically just going "IDK man the rocks seem too weathered". Zero scientific analysis or actual criticism of any sort of dating method. Hancock's other point gets back into what I said about him bringing up normal stuff but presenting it as unusual: He points to there being Tlaloc iconography at the site, and uses that there's a pre-Aztec Tlaloc sculpture from another site to imply Texcotzinco could be pre Aztec too... BUT WE ALL ALREADY KNOW TLALOC IS PRE AZTEC! Seriously, we have outright Digimon style evolution charts tracing Tlaloc and other Mesoamerican rain gods at specific stages of development back almost 3000 years to Olmec "were jaguar" (there's some debate if that's what they really were) sculptures. Depictions of Tlaloc style rain gods at a site isn't a point for or against any specific time period or culture. If anything, the Tlaloc depiction he shows at Texcotzinco is consistent with 100% known Aztec ones. Even if we assume Texcotzinco DOES have pre-Aztec structures, so what? Prehistoric human habitation in that valley goes back to 20,000BC, and we have settlement maps of cities/towns back to 900BC. Texcotzinco having pre-Aztec construction would be INTERESTING, but it would not change our entire understanding of Mesoamerican history or suggest there was a Ice Age global civilization. Again, the issue is most people don't know about the broader progression of Mesoamerican history, so "There's pre-Aztec stuff!1!" seem mind blowing when in reality there's dozens of pre-Aztec civilizations we know about already. Hancock's telling of the myth with Quetzalcoatl not only mixes aspects of entirely separate myths, but changes details entirely: The flood he references is from myths detailing the cyclical creation and destruction of the world (and was done by Chalchiuhtlicue, not Tlaloc), wheras Quetzalcoatl sailing on a raft of snakes comes from Aztec accounts about the Toltec lord Ce Acatl Topiltzin, who is variously tied to Quetzalcoatl. There's many versions of that myth, and only some of them involve the raft: But in them, he is LEAVING rather then arriving into Mesoamerica, and even these versions recorded in the early colonial period we know have catholic influences from Friars trying to convert people and to make their rule seem pre-ordained and try to validate later reprints Cortes's letters where it's claimed he was mistaken for Quetzalcoatl, even though Corte's original letters say no such thing and explicitly contradict being seen as a god. Hancock's telling is, if anything, closer to even later and more nonsense versions that make Quetzalcoatl white, blond, etc used by white nationalists/Mormons. Some of the earlier ones do have him as bearded, but the Mesoamericans had facial hair! We know it was customary in Aztec society for everyone other then rulers (Moctezuma II had facial hair!) or the elderly to shave: So Ce Acatl Topiltzin having a beard shouldn't be unusual.

[@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal]

Hot damn there’s a lot to read here, but I just wanted to show some appreciation for all the detail you put in over Mesoamerica. A lot of this ancient astronaut stuff not only takes advantage of public ignorance over Mesoamerican history, but seems to rely on scientifically racist rhetoric. But anyway, I saw a mention of Nezahualcoyotl and I just got a book on him that I am excited to start, as I wanted to get into Nahua poetry. Also been to Teotihuacan, one of my favorite places on Earth.

[@justsomeguy3978]

Yo thanks for the info very insightful for someone ignorant of mesoamerican culture

[@aces4873]

Man wrote his life story

[@MajoraZ]

@@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal Which book?

[@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal]

@@MajoraZ The Allure of Nezahualcoyotl, Pre-Hispanic History, Religion, and Nahua Poetics by Jongsoo Lee. I’ve been applying to grad school and need to finish Margaret Kovach’s Indigenous Methodologies first, but I saw this book during a visit to a Mexican American art museum and I remembered wanting to read more about Nahua poetry, so I nabbed it while I was there

[@MrJonsonville5]

Stefan!!!! My spirit animal! Favorite KZbinr hands down. 2+ hours of Stefan Milo has me ignoring Reno 911 playing on my TV. That's high praise.

[@catel4781]

I refused to watch this series as I knew it was fantasy. It reminds me of the hit Chariots of the Gods. Real Archaeology is way more interesting, entertaining and edifying.

[@wild4509]

@@catel4781 don’t you mean, “mainstream archeology?” Lol, just playin😂

[@Sjess25]

Watching this instead of the recent debate on JRE. Can’t stand GH anymore… and this video shattered even the last bits of illusion I had about him, like he was super annoying already but I didn’t know he was actually lying on purpose.

[@MARGATEorcMAULER]

Glancing through the comments I noted that there were many viewers who are excited as I was to see a new video from you for nearly as many reasons. My 1st thought was " oh yeah 2 +hours of Stefan , this will be fun".

[@fiction-]

Re: Flood myths: my idea is that people tended to settle near water and prehistory likely had a lot of separate but devastating floods that flooded a particular regions "whole world". Of course every culture has a flood myth; flood would have been terrifying back then.

[@johndiddilyjoe6258]

"My idea is that humans lived near water" Jeez I wonder what you'll have figured out in a decade. "Humans actually lived in large groups I've come to call communities"

[@dv9239]

People losing houses and livestock to river floods are indeed terrified of them and have stories to tell

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@johndiddilyjoe6258 Hancock still doesn't seem to get it tho and he got himself a Netflix series

[@bendennis4857]

We’ve all seen footage of tsunamis,very floody looking,

[@burtturdison4445]

I mean, if you play with building blocks sooner or later you come to find that a pyramid shape is the most stable. If even a 4 year old gets it I believe that grown adults may get it as well.

[@varyolla435]

Bingo. A child with no understanding of geometry can still create via trial & error - and more importantly "pattern recognition" - what comes to be simple geometric shapes such as a pyramid which is really nothing more than stacking blocks one atop another in a tapering fashion. Pyramids have additional benefits as well. They mimic naturally occurring features which ancient people often attributed greatness/divinity to = mountains. While some cultures developed pyramids - others lacking such access to easily quarried stone adapted to create tall earthen "mounds" as central features in their communities. The "Mound Builder" culture of the American plains is an example of this. Final thought. A triangle is one of the most stable geometric shapes - hence its employment in many structures. A pyramid is essentially a 3 dimensional triangle. So for cultures who existed around natural fault lines as many did and who subsequently incurred periodic earthquakes then constructing pyramids would be an easy way to produce a structure resistant to said tremors. 🤔

[@phoebexavier7050]

Cylinders are the most stable shape. #Facts

[@johnirving3084]

How did they move 1000+ tonnes grannite cut the stones from quarries and move them for hundreds of miles? Please explain that

[@itzwooky9256]

​@@johnirving3084 You need to actually look up about it yourself instead of repeating falsehoods like quarry distances. It's a common enough trope but look it up for yourself. And not knowing something only.means that you don't know. No more, no less. In the same way I can't disprove god doesn't qualify as proof for god.

[@johnirving3084]

@@itzwooky9256 oh believe me i have looked it up. Nothing makes sense in that we need high powered cranes to lift that so how tf did the ancients do it is all i am saying

[@LinearJaguar_7JR]

I'm not Mexican I'm Colombian and just like Graham I have zero expertise in archaeology. So I am willing to volunteer to go around Europe questioning all their architectural achievements

[@andremaion]

I would love to see this “documentary” with the Mexican guide talking about the modern constructions in London! Haha

[@Sirjesterx]

It would make an amazing parody series

[@JonnoPlays]

Sadly it's so easy to get sucked down the rabbit hole of alternative history channels. Even the History channel itself is an alternate history channel after 20 seasons of Ancient Aliens misinterpreting south American art and ignoring archeological discovery or historical interpretation. The shows are entertaining that's the problem. Everyone loves a good story, these channels thrive on the never ending mystery which can never be solved. If archeology solves the mystery, and especially when that resolution is quite boring as it often tends to be, then that solution is ignored by alternative history channels and they continue to repeat that the mystery is not yet solved. It's very important to understand this concept, and to seek out historical and archeological explanations. The historical and archeological explanation actually make a lot of sense for the so-called "scoop marks" on the biggest obelisk in Egypt at the aswan quarry. I'm guessing most people reading this don't know that explanation and that's because it's buried deep in research papers and like I said above the alternative history channels will not cover it because they will only say the ancient people couldn't have done it. But they did do it, and the explanation is incredibly simple. I'll let you go look it up and if you even do find it then you'll realize how difficult it is to attain real knowledge. Watching some video on KZbin is not attaining real knowledge you are simply entertaining yourself with a good story.

[@varyolla435]

HC went downhill - precipitously so - when it was bought out by A&E. From that point on it became a clearinghouse for "reality TV" and pseudoscientific/historical trash. Other communications networks have done the same by the way. As they become "big fish" they gobble up the smaller niche outlets and then create "a dichotomy" whereby owning multiple channels some peddle trash with others more educational content so as to = reach the broadest audience. Moral of the story: when education becomes subject to "economics" = bad things invariably follow. The more "marginally educated" your audience becomes the more profitable peddling trash to them is in what becomes a feedback loop - colloquially referred to as _"a race to the bottom."_ 🤨 p.s. - pseudoscientific programs such as AA have been around for a long time now. Yet from the 70's-90's such shows typically came with a disclaimer to the audience stipulating that what was being claimed = lacked scientific rigor and hence acceptance. Around the turn of the millennium however such disclaimers "vanished" in many cases - leading uninformed audiences to assume as possibly true what was not...... This more than anything else typifies the disingenuous nature of what has become your "alternative" business.

[@caseco4979]

You should link the info. "Do your own research" is a conspiracy persons go to response.

[@matthewhensel7050]

“I’m not even motivated by money” immediate sponsor plug. LMFAOOOOO oh man that made me cackle so much. Fair play Stephan 🤣🤣🤣

[@ccreel64]

Thank you for this episode Stefan! ❤ I truly appreciate your discussion of this topic. Too often it seems that the science side of archaeology says “this is the oldest < insert site/artifact/evidence > we’ve discovered.” The general public doesn’t understand the implied “yet.” and we too often interpret that through our cultural and/or religious paradigm. As for Graham Hancock, I am reminded of Schliemann and his belief in Troy. The only difference is that Hancock hasn’t found his Troy.

[@hominid92]

Thank you! I know critiquing and debunking can seem petty but it is so hard to find any critique about these no-evidence claims floating around. KZbin is infested with these nowadays. It's so cool that someone like you can spend your valuable time for a video like this.

[@solarnaut]

indeed ! ... appreciate Stefan acknowledging the attention GH brings to some awesome bits of humanity's "untold" / rarely spoken of history. Unfortunately GH's kool-aid seems to have him using "shiny bits" to wave mystical lights of obscurity over some interesting things. Kudos to SM's attempt to light with clarity ! B-)

[@Mrbfgray]

It's healthy to have a free flowing market place of ideas regardless. That Graham is making waves is a good thing even if he's only 2% correct.

[@LesterBrunt]

@@Mrbfgray That is not how it works. Do we need a free market place of ideas about pedophilia?

[@Mrbfgray]

@@LesterBrunt Get a GRIP Dude. Good Grief. How does in "work", you are told what to believe based on 'authorities'? Thinking isn't your thing, I get it.

[@LesterBrunt]

@@Mrbfgray I guess the free market place of ideas is too triggering for you.

[@lewisdoherty7621]

Because of its length, I'm going to have to watch this in maybe three settings. If this method sounds nutty, then consider the modern stone cutting method: industrial diamonds are drawn over stones embedded in rubber bands in a water stream to cool, reduce dust and carry away the cuttings. I suspect the missing tools in Egypt for cutting stones consisted of twine made out of pypyrus being pulled over a sand water slurry. Two men on either side pull back and forth with a third one pouring the sand water slurry under the cord. So what would be left in the archeological record for tools? The sand and water are there, and the papyrus strings would have decayed long ago. But the sand and water wouldn’t be seen as a tool. I suspect the copper tools were used to make a channel in the stone initially and then the string method was used. Copper is valuable. The difference between analyzing European sites and sites in Mexico and other such places isn’t so much cultural bias as much as the tremendous amount of written documentation available for the European sites. For example, he Romans left written descriptions with illustrations on moving megaliths. Wooden wheels were constructed on their ends converting the megalith into a big axle and capstans stuck in the ground were used to roll them.

[@kieronknight2560]

I love autism

[@jrk1666]

except plenty of stones in the pyramid sites have circular marks that could not have been created with flat stock

[@saracosta620]

Not only is the content of the video interesting, your voice and way of presenting is so relaxing, I will actually be using this as background ASMR. I'm so glad you made it over two hours long!

[@smolbirb2]

It's storming bad outside, and I'm scared so I'm watching this trying to sleep after taking a sleepy pill. Ty for making videos

[@louisjov]

Just a note on the Channeled Scablands, It's not a single valley, it's dozens if not hundreds, of gorges, coulees, valleys, and just a very aggressive and dynamic landscape that stretches across most of eastern washington state. To think about the scale of the floods that caused that sort of deformation of the landscape, is truly mind-blowing. I learned a lot about the Missoula floods in that region, watching videos from Nick Zetner, who is a geology professor at Central Washington University? I highly recommend any and all of his videos to anyone that is interested in geology of the Pacific Northwest

[@Chewbaccafruit]

That point about dynamiting sites is so important. Schliemann found the city of Troy, and after dynamiting down to excavate discovered that it was built in layers, with subsequent rebuilding literally stacked on the previous one. In trying to find the Troy of the Iliad, he ended up destroying it.

[@tomkiefaber4297]

Horse crap

[@MistaZULE]

@@tomkiefaber4297 my guy this is well documented. He also stole most of the artifacts and brought them back to his native Germany in a suitcase. he also had his wife model the jewellery of an ancient Trojan Queen. You're welcome to simply goole Heinrich Schliemann and you'll read all about it.

[@aaron2709]

You know the old adage: If you want to study something, blow it up.

[@MistaZULE]

@@aaron2709 He doesn't want to study archaeology. He wants his fun little fantasy with none of the work.

[@Skabanis]

He found myceanes

[@konstantinavalentina3850]

Not only human DNA could be looked at, but animal DNA. Ship rats on islands can be sampled and it uncanny how accurate the DNA is in shining a light on where those rats came from. This includes insects, like types of fleas, body lice and other critters that could be sampled to find where their point of origin was.

[@jhtsurvival]

Riddle me this. Native Americans supposedly developed from 4 distinct groups migrating into the America's earliest supposedly 21000 yrs ago in asia.. What happened to Pre Clovis DNA?... even with DNA research we are barely scratching the surface of what it holds

[@jhtsurvival]

I will also add that in 2015 it was discovered that modern inhabitants of the Amazon isolated tribes are genetically linked to Australasians

[@konstantinavalentina3850]

@@jhtsurvival - riddle me this; If I say "I don't know", does that automatically validate whatever point you're trying to make? Answer: No. That's the problem with the Hancocks of the world; they can't accept "I don't know" and absolutely have to fill that void with some woo woo nonsense. Meanwhile, actual factual historians are more than happy to say "I don't know" if they don't know, because not knowing is perfectly acceptable, and grounds for going through the process of properly finding out. :)

[@jhtsurvival]

@@konstantinavalentina3850 Hancock makes no factual claims. What are you talking about? He frequently says he doesn't know. He just presents his own theory and points out interesting questions...

[@jhtsurvival]

@@konstantinavalentina3850 also there's a few big things that he's been right about... the Tepes in Turkey and the impact theory really support him pretty good... these are things that were scoffed at when he first started with his theory of an advanced civilization being wiped out. I also find it hard to explain the similarities found in good myths and religion

[@StaminatorBlader]

having watched both miniminuteman and stefans videos on this, i most certainly gotta say the better content creator out of the two is named milo!

[@AintImRite]

I have Milo's to hear before I sleep...

[@FH-cn3mg]

I stopped in a dark sky area on our Thanksgiving trip to see family and showed my son the night sky with the Milky Way across the sky and my son who is nine was in awe. We never get to see the stars like that because of light pollution. The night sky is so awe inspiring.

[@davidhowe6905]

Yes, had a family reunion in a dark sky area in UK last month. One of the dogs was scared to go outside for his evening pee - being elderly, partially deaf and probably never having known such darkness!

[@twonumber22]

Have you ever looked at it with a telescope? I've shown a few hundred people and not a single person was ever unimpressed.

[@FH-cn3mg]

@@twonumber22 I have images of the moon from my telescope and Jupiter. I have a Barlowe lens and a nice adjustable optic and people are always commenting on how cool it is. I love that my wife bought me that telescope a few years back.

[@twonumber22]

@@FH-cn3mg oh yeah, you know. Lol

[@FH-cn3mg]

@@twonumber22 If you know you know lol. I have some fantastic images of the moon's craters and it's so magnified you can actually see some of the mountains sticking up over the horizon. It's so neat, I can sit there for hours just readjusting the telescope and examining every little thing I can put my eye to. I wish I had a real hi res camera setup for it, the images would be crazy. Right now I just have a mounting that allows me to position my camera phone over the lens at the right angle and distance for a fairly crisp image. It's nothing like what your eye can see when you look into the scope though. I want to take it out to a dark sky area sometime and see if I can get some deep sky objects in sight. I rarely have it with me on family holidays though, we just happened to be going through the Flint Hills at the right time of night on a new moon. I told my wife, I know we need to get to where we're going, but we rarely get to see this, and I want our son to really see this, he can't appreciate it from inside the car. When we got out the first thing he said was "WOW". I thought, yeah buddy, wow is the correct response to that view.

[@ymebo]

The Ant's hill analogy is easily the best i have ever heared. So perfect.

[@rickzoerman3322]

Horses can stand in 10 mins after being born too. Does this equate to early civilizations learning architectural design? No.

[@man.inblack]

@@rickzoerman3322 but the OP's comment still applies. analogies require context and relevance, yours has none as I can see

[@mrbaab5932]

Some ants invented fungus farming tens of thousands of years before humans.

[@wiseguy8828]

@@mrbaab5932 and the same ants have star charts from 10000 years ago. It is known.

[@dco1019]

@@man.inblack what he said was pretty relevant though. just as hancocks reasoning 'simultaneous developing of similar tech and building cant be coincidence must be the lost civilisation' lacks a solid foundation.. imo , equating human manipulation of the outside world to ant hills isnt quite right either.. i would even say that its quite wrong to say that analogy is fitting. Its perhaps more wrong than what hancock said, see humans do get inspired by more useful better techniques and they adapt those techniques very quickly. So for example the building style and architectural techniques from western civilisation has exploded all around the world in a very short period.. while Ants still build roughly the same hills they did thousands of years ago..and as long as it works they keep going with the same hills. realistically theres nothing that can drive fast change like on a human scale.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

I think you’re right about Sirius. It’s a classic example of a circular argument. They line up because they line up. They started with “we know they line up, so let’s just find the moment when they do” - it’s a metaphor for the whole show honestly.

[@joshsimpson10]

"Everything is a coincidence" Just like my home is oriented to the true cardinal directions. Just accidently happened or maybe even 100 years ago orientation is crucial not just for navigation, but celestial orientation so you know what season it is, what season is to come and then you can document the seasons. But that would take actual life experience which would involve leaving the house.

[@wild4509]

@@joshsimpson10 I worked construction and every building I ever built was roughly oriented to the true cardinal directions. It was much easier to translate the blueprints to the actual construction of the building by knowing which wall was the north wall.

[@joshsimpson10]

@@wild4509 right on no doubt I live in an old farm house I even have 90 or so year old metal cardinal direction post that was put super deep into the ground so it never moves even when 70 mph winds blow through.

[@12time12]

The moment when they do just happens to fall on or directly after strange events… yeah, it’s all just a coincidence. 🙄

[@newdawnforall6264]

Weird thst tunnels inside the pyramids also point to the though. If you read his books you find that his ideas are based on a lot more than a coincidence or two. We know for sure that we have no idea how they were built, so we really know nothing at all

[@trevormillar1576]

Graham Hancock reads "Conan the Barbarian" and does acid at the same time.

[@johncage3969]

Uh.... BASED?

[@nailfelagund7508]

Lol

[@ArchaeologyTube]

“What if your auntie had wheels, then she’d be a bicycle” has me cackling

[@mnomadvfx]

Could have sworn I heard that in an OG Star Trek film from Montgomery Scott.

[@jeanettewaverly2590]

Classic Stefan. I was waiting for “boinkfest.”

[@nicholaswoollhead6830]

My grandma used to use the phrase "If I had wheels I'd be a wagon" but I like this variation lol

[@dagfinissocool]

its from a viral tiktok where it's said by a chef who doesn't like the critique of his food. The clip is from a british tv show and I know that's where he has it from because the actual saying is wheelbarrow

[@James-gm9cs]

@@dagfinissocool gino d'acampo

[@bigheadboxing1]

Thanks for posting this. I was fascinated by the series and wanted to get an alternate view point. This is really good because rather than attacking Graham you've brought up questions (some of which I had myself). Rather than dampen my interest this shows these sites are still just as interesting but perhaps not nessercaily fully in the way graham describes

[@AkHafiz]

I was eagerly waiting for Stefan's take, and he didn't disappoint me. Thanks for this.

[@AkHafiz]

@Christo Ronaldo Okay, thanks for the correction. I have edited the comment.

[@Akkordeondirigent]

Sometimes something you say strikes me ("somewhat" would be nice here 🤓): You're analogy to ants is just gorgeous! When students from time to time bring up the argument of similarities around the world concerning prehistoric and historic buildings or traces of behaviour I always have to explain with far to much sentences to have an true convincing impact. But this ant analogy is so great and solves this problem. Keep up your great work, have nice holidays with your wonderful family!

[@Brycieb00]

Thank you for making this video. I had bought graham wholesale and am glad that people like you will make opposing views that dont mock and just bring up honest questions in a understandable way for a moron like me.

[@StefanMilo]

Thank you man!

[@SpencerDonahue]

It's very reassuring to see comments like this. :)

[@theartfuldodger7711]

Like Milo said himself, 99percent of scientists disagree with Graham... Graham is the one with the unpopular oppinion

[@bec5250]

You are not a moron, just a victim of fantasy wrapped up in plausibility, and published as disinformation. World is full of it, and it leads decent people astray.

[@alextaunton3099]

@@theartfuldodger7711 *unsupported opinion There, fixed it for you. Graham Hancock doesnt provide doodly for evidence

[@rvheard]

2 hours and 12 minutes, and I hung on every word. Fascinating stuff, and I'm so grateful that you are willing to make the effort to create this. Please keep up the excellent work!

[@ConstantHungerE]

That might be the best sponsor break I've ever witnessed.

[@mwolkove]

I think the best summary of this theory is: ancient aliens, but the aliens are from earth.

[@liamcragin]

And… are… white?

[@kainoizking]

I really hope Rogan sees this. Would be awesome to see you on the pod so he can get a different perspective on the ideas that Graham talks about.

[@jasonborn867]

There's plenty of salesmen who knowingly attempt to sell products or information they know is false, but the goal is persuading others less informed and more gullible to buy into such marketing. Based on Graham's prior works he must be aware of conflicting evidence and therefore likely knows his notions are questionable, but long as some believe the claims a market exists to support his material. For many belief = truth, unfortunately. Thank you for debunking this fraud, Stefano!

[@T0mek87]

I think he did admit to some of the theories being wrong. In his first book he mentions earth crust displacement that he himself said was proven incorrect. Maybe there were other examples, idk. So he may be willing to admit that he's wrong or maybe he did it only for stuff that is so bonkers that you can't defend it with a straight face. I still love the earth crust displacement theory though XD

[@jhtsurvival]

@@T0mek87 he doesn't present anything as fact to begin with. He calls it theories. But the comet impact theory that he subbed to early on has essentially been proven correct and the acknowledgement of pre clovis and gobekli tepe being dated so old also support his theories pretty well.

[@lucasoheyze4597]

The really clever bit is the way he markets the whole thing as closed-minded dogmatic establishment elite academia Vs open-minded radical truth-seeker, it appeals to a lot of people.

[@jasonborn867]

@@lucasoheyze4597 Agreed! Agreed! And the most gullible are uninformed folks who still believe in the supernatural. So many of Graham's books have the word "god" in the title it's a dead giveaway, but people buy into this content because of religious indoctrination and fear eternal afterlife will be withdrawn if their "faith" is undermined. Fear is what compels the uninformed to not look behind the curtain.

[@neurolancer81]

@@jhtsurvival First, the comet hypothesis has some evidence for it and it was not Hancock’s hypothesis. Second, just cause Gobleki Tepe is older than expected does not make eliminate the mountains of evidence from all the other sites about there not being a previous civilization. All Hancock has is an unsubstantiated hypothesis.

[@markstuber4731]

19:50 Regarding people doubted the Polynessians making contact with the Americas. I always found it bizzaire anyone thought it was likely that a people who kept finding dots in the Oceaon as they migrated west, would miss a lnad mass that spanned from the Artic to the near the Anartic.

[@LPVince94]

Well we know they only reached the easter Island shortly before Europeans started into their age of discovery. The issue was time. Had they had a little more of it sure why wouldn't they have found America.

[@markstuber4731]

@@LPVince94 They did. Just the the Americas were already populated. Before modern DNA technology it was suspected because, they grew sweet potatoes which are indiginous to South America, they found chikcen bones on islands of the West Coast of South American, and finding Skulls on those islands that had what is called "rock jaw" which is charactic of polynesisans. Now, with modern DNA, they know those chickens come from a polynesian strain.. ALso, there is some linguistic eviddence.

[@MrC-55]

There’s autosomal dna discovered in western Mexico

[@philjameson292]

Genetic studies of Amazonian tribes has shown traces of Polynesian DNA in some of them. I have not heard any investigation as if this result is correct and how it could have gotten there Thor Heyerdahl did his famous kon tiki voyage in the 1940s. However this was from Peru to Polynesia, but who's to say that it couldn't have been done in reverse?

[@Ck-zk3we]

@@philjameson292 there is also Central American native DNA in Polynesians from the Cook Islands

[@niranjannairreghuvaran5772]

I love your channel, I love your videos, your vibe, the way you criticize and how you do things. And I gotta thank that Hancock for bringing me to you. I had seen one of his JRE episodes and I was like, Huh okay lemmi look at the Younger Dryas and then bam. I watch your videos almost every day now, and I just wanna say thanks for helping me expand my world view and my view on prehistory.

[@matthewhalley]

"The straw men are so ridiculous that they're not even straw men - it's just loose hay." Lol, that is the most accurate description of Hancock's whole spiel. Thanks again for insightful videos Stefan!

[@jhtsurvival]

Can you really claim strawman arguments over something that's not presented as fact to begin with?

[@stephenhurd1489]

@@Me-yq1fl uhh no. He'll no!

[@imatiu]

Look into Zahi Hawass and you realize it's not a straw man, for a long time he was the top dog when it came to archeological authority and he outright refused to even consider ideas that went against the established theories, hell he refused to accept the Carbon dating from Göbekli Tepe for years.

[@ozoneswiftak]

The megalithic structures that are dated over 100,000 years. What do you say? They were built before the ice age. Your gonna have to do better to discredit him .

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

[@ronwiesel5120]

I was absolutely hoping you would do this. Really didn't expect over 2 hours😊 It's hard to find people that criticise his ideas instead of him, and from what I've heard until now, that's what you are doing🤝

[@F1nnyF6]

@_prizraknilbog_6008 because the "current narrative" (implying it is some stable dogma as opposed to a constantly updated model) has lots of evidence and Hancock's theory has none, aside from various prehistoric sites that are easily explained by the "current narrative".

[@waltonsmith7210]

Ive found people criticizing his ideas all over the place-podcasts, youtube videos, etc. If anything I dont think hes been personally attacked as a grifter enough.

[@kristiskinner8542]

@_prizrak nilbog_ they arent "bent on keeping the current narrative"- they are merely sticking to what is scientifically known/dated etc as of now. Discoveries are often made that change a "current narrative". If you want fantastical "possibles" etc stick to watching things like Ancient Aliens & such. Cant think of anyone in any legit area of history, science etc that is full of closed-minded people. And using terms like "establishment" & "narrative" do nothing but give off real nut-job vibes

[@Gildedmuse]

@_prizrak nilbog_ So, I will agree with you that there is definitely an academic establishment in archeology, as there is with any field. You have your Old Guard who spent years of research, field work, time and energy developing and presenting their ideas, finding and collecting data to help to try and support their hypothesis, constantly working and reworking their own theories to match the newest data and using our ever growing technological advancements to offer further support or else put another nail in the coffin of certain ideas and believes circulating around archeological circles. Then you have the students, the rising stars, the new generation, and just as the Old Guard once had to fight against many widely accepted hypothesis of the generation before them, so this next generation will do to them. This is a very natural cycle within academics and, really, almost any field or job whatever it may be. Of course, it only works if the new generation works for it. If they put in the time and effort and do all the hard work necessary to find enough proof to convince even the gatekeepers of the Old Guard that this new hypothesis has more than enough evidence behind it that to deny it is to ignore the ever forward march of progress. And that's sort of the problem when you claim that So-And-So is just being ignored or insulted or dismissed because they question the Establishment. Because in most academic fields, the Establishment itself is always changing; it is far from static, with newer technology and finds and theories constantly coming along and challenging believes that had become generally accepted, perhaps due to a lack of information, perhaps because it was simply the best evidence we had available at the time. Of you were to compare current widely held "Establishment" views on human culture in pre-history today and compare it to even, say, the 90s, you will find that while not unrecognizable they certainly contain a number of differences in what the archeological community now commonly holds to be the most likely explanation. So the Establishment, as it were, is not static and unchanging. It's quite the opposite. It may take longer to changed than the minds of individual archeologist, of course, but it's constantly shifting and rearranging as new material is found, new theories found to have supporting evidence. I'm not going to pretend that established academics cannot often become deeply entrenched in their ideas, so much so that they often hold onto them longer than they should, but eventually, evidence and the strength of a well supported theory will win out, which is why you see even the ideology of the Establishment constantly changing with the times. The fact that it can and are doing this all the time for a variety of other theories and ideas, but hasn't for others may be less sign of the Establishment fearing change or rejecting ideas that question it and more a situation in which certain hypothesis - say, that of a real life Atlantis or aliens visiting and influencing ancient culture - simply cannot offer the sort of supportive evidence that other theories can. Which does tend to makes them less supported by the mainstream, because it only makes sense to throw more research and energy and money and time towards furthering ideas that have evidence that can support them.and material that can help further knowledge about those people and the society they lived in.

[@TorianTammas]

@_prizrak nilbog_ Archeologist actually work they do not have time to listen to unproven claims of the latest Daeneken.

[@NextToToddliness]

Literally just made a comment about this on another video. No one can seem to explain why we can find remnants from our earliest, pre-fire ancestors, yet we can't find a single shred of evidence for this encompassing advanced civilization. Oh right, "they" don't want you to know 🙄

[@TheKlaun9]

That's not how the brain of those people works. Evidence is boring and tedious and often involves math, they don't get that thing. Fantasizing about stuff is easy and convenient so it must be the best way - we thought like that for thousands of years until people started challenging that and putting in the work. Good luck with that fight and possibly having to read the two words "gobekli tepe" a lot if you keep commenting on such videos ;)

[@nunofoo8620]

The ancient civilization did in fact exist. They were excellent at making dairy products. So much so that all of the houses were made of cheese. That's why no ancient houses were discovered yet (cheese doesn't last long). What animals did they farm to get milk you ask? Rats. It was rat milk. Unfortunately the domesticated rats were eradicated by a genetically engineered virus introduced by the aliens (the sky people) in the invasion of 16.598 BC.

[@loloppololp9304]

@@nunofoo8620 speaking of ancient houses... you do realize ancient walls have been found with similar architecture across the different continents?

[@loloppololp9304]

There's more than a single shred of evidence actually. You just have to maybe look for them? Science is incredibly dogmatic, I'm not sure how on Earth we haven't realized this by now after multiple generations of penalizing contrarians only to find their kooky ideas to be true centuries later.

[@nunofoo8620]

@@loloppololp9304 I know! Once i went to Las Vegas, USA, and saw a structure that looked exactly like the eifel tower in Paris, France. This to me proves that the established main stream idea that David Hasselhoff discovered the Americas in 1987 is a lie perpetrated by the Sky People in order to hide the fact that there was a global civilization before the 1970s.

[@standard74521]

this is a little off-topic, but your video here actually inspired a profound journey for me in discovering myself and helping others. The way that you handled and pre-explained that this was going to be a little negative, but it was just because you want to look at the ideas and it’s not that you think other people who think this are stupidand that you see that regardless of the fact Graham, (Hancock) still brings awareness to a subject that you’re passionate about gave me a model that I never forget. Thank you.

[@bracero7628]

It’s really sad that when I want to find good, scholarly information presented for laymen about history, biology, etc, I always go to KZbin and find independent creators who have actual credentials. Streaming platforms always excessively dumb things down or present pseudoscience to garner the largest possible audience. I’m really grateful for creators passionate enough about the subject matter to present their subject accurately, whether it appeals to the lowest common denominator or not.

[@blueredbrick]

And also the ability to connect to like minded people. When I watched the story from Mr. Hancock on Netflix I was fascinated but also sceptical but above that all I wanted to scroll down to the comments and discuss. But helas. No comments on Netflix.

[@DakiniDream]

Unfortunalety i can't agree with you. For me You-Tube has become the same trash publicist than many other compagnies around the net. If you want realy more serious content, you will have to consult more academic sites, and often return simply to books. You-Tube is pure economy, and they will promote what makes money, they don't care about quality, and never realy did. Difference is just that a time it was more fun to surf on You-Tube what their beautiful algorythme has completely borked.

[@PoldarkGodzilla]

If Hancock gets people debating his ideas that fantastic tans even better if he gets them involved in archeology and also have an open mind ! This your you tuber is a little too smug for me

[@Libbathegreat]

I whole-heartedly agree. Stefan is clearly very knowledgeable about archaeology but doesn't work in the field. That probably makes him a better source since he doesn't have a dog in the fight; he's only interested in the facts. However, I think he's a little too quick to assume that academic archaeologists are, as a whole, perfectly reasonable and open to different ideas. I was on a path to a career in archaeology for a time, and my experience was VERY different. I saw profs derail the education and career paths of promising young students over the pettiest of BS. I've seen more than one established archaeologist get positively apoplectic when someone less established dared to question them in a public forum. I'd like to think things have gotten better. But seeing the invective many archaeologists are directing at Hancock, while few are willing to publicly tackle his _ideas_ in a nuanced way, makes me think little has changed since I left academia. This is just a symptom of a deeper disdain academia has for the uninitiated. Academics have nothing to lose by attacking Hancock, an outsider. But they also see little to gain by openly and honestly engaging the general public, and Hancock's viewers in particular, on these topics. Hancock has exploited that gap for years, and academics have largely let him. So it's left to people like Stefan to step into that breach, and good on him for doing it.

[@billabong9215]

Exactly. This is how Christianity was created... an ordinary man who had answers that people believed and thought he had the answers.

[@josefkozenk7971]

Thank you Stefan, I’ve been hoping for this video. Love you man.

[@origami_dream]

Maybe not the *most* irritating thing about the show, but up there, is how they start it by pre-empting all the legitimate, deserved criticism of him by framing him as an underdog rebel speaking truth to power. It's a pathetic cheap manipulation tactic. And they repeat it throughout the show, seemingly consciously trying to punctuate bits where they think the ideas are so transparently stupid they might lose the audience by calling back to that framing of the story's protagonist.

[@J05H241]

Yeah i noticed that too its very annoying

[@ChrischrosBelgium]

To be fair ..... I have never heared convincing arguments of mainstream archeologists. They only say " o Hancock does pseudoscience ". I don't think Hancock is as skeptical as he should be but he poses real tough questions archeologists claim to answer but they do not.

[@paulscottfilms]

@@ChrischrosBelgium thats right. > Like saw marks on granite made with fingernails and sand scrubbing. Oh and those massive obelisks with stainless steel like shiny surfaces .

[@Nick-ih9jw]

Haven't seen it yet, but that's a real shame. Equally, the first academic criticism focussing on Hancock's commercial contacts and irrelevant drug use is f appalling. No wonder ppl want to believe there is something more to this shitshow

[@origami_dream]

@@ChrischrosBelgium What are those questions? Did you watch the video? How would you see it as nothing more than "o Hancock does pseudoscience"? How would you address the lack of artifacts from this proposed culture or the criticism that foods remain separated by 'new' and 'old' worlds, if Hancock's civilization existed? That, honestly, seems quite a dealbreaker to me. Given how quickly peppers and tomatoes and potatoes and all kinds of spices got moved around once prolonged trade occurred, it seems odd to me that nothing of the sort would've happened in Hancock's proposed agrarian society. I do welcome actual answers here. I've not read Hancock's books. My mind is open, if skeptical.

[@PortmanRd]

Nothing that Hancock has written, has ever been published in academic journals or submitted for peer review. Enough said.

[@varyolla435]

Of course. His purpose was never one of educating people nor trying to further human understanding as academia does. Moral: LAHT is = a business - one that feeds off of people's ignorance and gullibility by pandering to their overactive imaginations. Hancock's goal is simply = sell books and raise awareness of his flaking claims so that can also be monetized upon.

[@Theboxingobserver]

Sorry that’s not correct.

[@PortmanRd]

Please enlighten me, as according to all the reputable sources I've looked at he has zero.

[@John-Sv]

lol who’s even reputable at this point. Seems more that ever academic journal has turned into an echo chambers and a circle jerk fest. Wanna become an archeologist you have to listen to us and only the sources we provide! Got the necessary credentials tread carefully or get cancelled.

[@varyolla435]

@@John-Sv You're not saying anything.......... Also as is sadly all too often then case you seem to overlook the obvious. Perhaps some things need to be "cancelled" as you say. When people would rather cling to their poor assumptive beliefs rather than admit they are actually wrong = that merits exclusion from our society. Our civilization is built upon 2 + 2 = 4 - not 2 + 2 = _"whatever _*_I FEEL LIKE_*_ today"....._ Moral: If your "beliefs" are not meshing with the facts as accepted by the world the problem is not society which upholds those facts = merely you........ Your attempt to rationalize fringe beliefs rejected based upon their lack of merit - which LAHT claims reflect - therefore failed.

[@starvalentino]

as a former Graham Hancock "stan" throughout high school and young adulthood, thank you for making this.

[@thatindiandude4602]

You too huh? My concern these days is how his work is now incorporated by unsavoury characters on the right to bash the "woke." Glad you got out.

[@TheMightiestBungholio]

@@thatindiandude4602 the only reason youre saying that is because he appeared on Joe rogan's podcast isn't it? Even though Joe rogan is in no way "on the right ". I think you're reaching with this one bud.

[@thatindiandude4602]

@@TheMightiestBungholio oh quiet down. The man himself isn't a racist. J7st a fiction writer. But hi fans are all kinds of nutters

[@Mrbfgray]

@@thatindiandude4602 No comment on Graham but Woke is by far the most insidious corrosive force in America today along with climate alarmists. Both are toxic religions incompatible with human dignity, welfare and liberty.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@TheMightiestBungholio Joe has long been somewhat Left by his own assessment. But the Left has left many of us with it's extremist tendencies in recent yrs.

[@brando8086]

Stefan I bought your book Tales of Ancient Worlds and have been reading it with my 7yr old daughter before bed. She loves it. Thank you for creating great content here on KZbin and a really enjoyable book to read with my child. We just finished reading the story about Pompeii and she couldn't get over the Romans all sitting in a row taking a poo with their friends. She went on for over 10 minutes about them all using the same stick to wipe their bums. "Yuck daddy, that's just disgusting." haha thanks for the laughs.

[@Tymbus]

That's such a great example of how ideas of privacy have changed

[@BertaRS]

@@Tymbus And sanitary habits lol

[@gordonliu3972]

My favorite pre history film is 'Conan The Barbarian'. You can learn a lot from that movie.

[@lonesnip3rwolf]

Best historical documentary I've ever watched! 10/10 100% accurate!

[@liamhickey359]

The way that one throws herself off the cliff.

[@88Somi]

Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And onto this, Conan, destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. XD

[@KarolHaltenberger]

Of course most historians write it off as fantasy, but they have no field experience whatsoever. Have they ever put down their books, taken their shirt off and swung a sword? Have they crushed their enemies, seen the driven before them and heard the lamentation of their women? I don't think so.

[@liamhickey359]

@@KarolHaltenberger do they have to?.

[@scouttis]

This video is like a breath of fresh air. The way real archeology starts with evidence and builds on that is all you really need to know.

[@bsenroy]

Also, At Netflix, Hancock's son Sean is "senior manager of unscripted originals". just connecting the dots.

[@laurafreed8919]

Thank you so much for your comments about the Serpent Mound episode (can't remember the name). I was a field archaeologist in the Southwestern US and Four Corners region. I honestly watched the Netflix show out of curiosity and I confess to roll my eyes at some of his assertions. In college I had many classes, including my field school and internship with Native American students from all over the country. It was a really incredible opportunity and gave me so much respect for the sites I was privileged to work at. The insight from the various tribes is so significant to our understanding of these sites and I completely agreed with him not being allowed to film there for the same reasons you mentioned.

[@almitrahopkins1873]

Poverty Point can be explained by the topography. It likely flooded regularly and the raised sections let them live near where migrating bird nested or wild rice grew. Serpent Mound is harder to explain. The manitou Snake in Native American Animism is the keeper of secrets, so that may have been a purely ritual construction. The close proximity to the Adena Culture sites might be the reason for its construction. I was quite happy seeing him turned away at the gates to the site. I am a Native American and while it isn’t my tribe’s holy site, it is still a holy site.

[@bujinkanatori]

Problem with human psyche is that pnce something is explained, ppl stop wondering about it, even if the explanation is wrong.