Steiner Collisseum Arena Fights - Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries Solaris Showdown 03

[@ZacHawkins42]

Baradul: "I wish they had sound and voicelines on different channels." Me: *Stares directly at Ryana*

[@Xalor69]

Me: Staring at the voice volume slider at 100

[@bobcharles7933]

When TTB played it he just kept his lance in the start point until the rest beat each other down. He also came to the same conclusion about the AI.

[@lazyman7505]

The NPC AI is what makes the game be 2/5 instead of 5/5. Mods help a bit, but seriously, Quake3, released in *1999* had bots with FAR superior AI.

[@smonkponk]

Totally agreed. It's odd, though the patch notes said they made AI improvements, feels like the AI actually got worse. Lancemates (and even hostiles) are getting confused/stuck on terrain in every mission for me now :(

[@megasxlr2X]

It's the arena AI aggro. It's good every other type, like vanilla is better, but the aggro style isn't suited for arena.

[@davehill8541]

The AI this update is broken IMO. Pilots running to map corners. Trying to walk through walls. Not following attack commands

[@megasxlr2X]

@@davehill8541 yuuup, but only for the arena maps. done great with the other mission types.

[@perry92964]

all the ai pilots have differnt ai some worse some good, i had no issues with them and my game is 100% vanilla. could also depend on your hardware and if you installed mods even though they are turned off

[@Finleymcg]

To do list: * Use Loaderking * Highlander rebuild - DONE * Rebuild King Crab - IN PROGRESS Wow. I think we've seen the limits of the AI in these missions, nut it was worth the attempt by the developer. The Duncan Fisher voiceover was perfect. Now, you just need to use the mechs you collected in some missions i.e. the Loaderking.

[@JohnDoe-hc7jf]

Baradul: I'm so angry, so mad. Canadians: Oh, he is so much more calm and polite than us. :D

[@iangale8230]

Nice nod to The Gray Death Legion with the Helm-Core reference. See the novel Price of Glory for more info on the memory core they recovered, giving access to lost Star League knowledge and technology.

[@grantilis3811]

My guess is they worked with the limitations of the AI to have them all coordinate against you, and turned it into a mission, rather than have to code new AI to tactically treat all enemies equal.

[@richardgray7480]

This reminds me of MW4 Solaris, where in the final match the best strategy was to instantly hit shutdown so that you weren't on the sensors of any of the AI pilots until they had chosen to engage someone else. Just stay in the bay for a while, let the others fight, then get your whole team out by mech swapping before you engage anything.

[@Rave_n_ight]

Strange my MW4 solaris championship strategy was to just boat 3 CLBX20s and 2 CLBX10s on a Dire Wolf and one shot everything that I came across. The build always cracked me up when it knocked over 100 ton mechs with a single salvo. Didn't know you could just shutdown your mech and let everyone else duke it out

[@phobiaone306]

Stymied = Thwarted. For being the first time you've seen that word you pronounced it correctly! Yeah the AI is severely lacking in this game. It is easy to manipulate it which takes away a lot of the unpredictability....of course your Lance Mates being just as dumb can add some of that unpredictability back in, but yeah the AI needs some serious work. It seems the Devs went for the quick and easy approach to the AI programming which is a damn shame because the rest of the game is pretty good.

[@colinmartin9797]

According to this video - Lego is now canonical to the battletech universe lolol Man Duncan Fisher's voice is to mechwarrior is what James Earl Jones is to star wars. I wish Pirahna wouldn't do such heavy voice modulation anymore, just get community fans to donate voice packs or something with a little radio static to mask the microphone quality.

[@robbielex]

55:00 Huge Astromechs flying around inside spaceships and old-timey parking meters that take coins LOL

[@Drokandforge]

There are times when the teams do gang up on you, like the second mission in this video, it says in the objectives they are working together. AI is terrible at pathfinding. If you are in one of the starting boxes your AI will tend to run into the walls and not leave the box. The door in those boxes also doesn't fully remove the collision when they open sometimes so you can't leave and have a very narrow range to fire through, even though the door looks like it is open. If this happens just restart the mission till it works.

[@marksoler7338]

They said they will fix that bug soon.

[@jokajive]

Is this issue come from mission "let the game begin"? I cant go outside the door to shoot enemies AI

[@Drokandforge]

@@jokajive Pretty much any of the missions with the doors can bug out. I got in the habit of shooting the doors before they open with lasers and each time they work properly. I don't think that actually does anything but you never know. If they bug out just choose restart mission and try again.

[@jokajive]

@@Drokandforge i restart 3 times and still not working. Looks like im stuck in the mission before entering steiner stadium. Hope they fix it soon

[@jh9193]

The mission doesn't even start on my pc. I use some mods, but updated in current version. But the storyline works out till this point with the mods..so not playable yet.

[@LutherAsmodi]

28:00 You are not the only one with the feeling that the only Target for the others are u, i played the mission yesterday and it was the same. The biggest problem are from my pov is the starting in the Box and the Lance has massiv Problems to get out and deal dmg. The Way to force the Enemys to do a Free for all is, stay in the Box and wait so they have enough time do deal dmg and build aggro.

[@Passonator11]

I agree, I had the same crazy battle with the other teams. Except I din't realize it is a team match and solo'd the whole encounter with my atlas AS7-A. Don't underestimate the power of inferno missiles/mag pulse! P.S.: I am playing with YAML.

[@Specter-wt1wt]

@@Passonator11 soloing the team matches is the only way to ensure that you do not loose mechs and pilots =) i run either the ani with 4 tier 5 ppc-x and mediums (it is the ttb bugzapper 9000) or i run the stalker 3f with mediums and srm6 stream for insane dps) btw is this a current version of YAML or just older one that sort of works?

[@Passonator11]

@@Specter-wt1wt I play on steam, so the mods are auto-updated via workshop. My loadout was 2x srm-8 magpulse, 2x superheavy s-pulse lasers, 1x AAC 80. If you aren't familiar with AAC family of weapons, I'd describe them as very bulky, rapid fire LBX with questionable accuracy at any range beyond 400m. Perfect for arenas, but not so great in missions.

[@Alizardwithdaftideas]

See, I was an idiot and somehow didn't notice the 400 drop limit and went in with my Annihilator. I was down to a single medium pulse laser by the end lol.

[@johnreid270]

I did it alone with an Annie but I stayed in the starting area and shredded everything that came through the door. It is better when you do the after campaign corporate missions where the enemies are spread in clumps across a big map. That mitigates the concentration on you.

[@nick_alderman]

Unusual to see you take a kicking, but you handled it like the Boss you are - well done.!!

[@richardlayton7184]

I love my HBS Battletech King Crab. She has two AC20s, four SRM2s and three Medium Lasers. She is called ClickClack.

[@bradykirk9932]

@50:13 That moment when the best thing to do in an AI Solaris match is become an announcer. I agree, it's so weird that holding fire is the best option most of the time. I understand if the mech I shoot starts shooting back, but for everyone to shoot back if I do too much dps is weird. Going Rambo is suicide, only fire one 1/4 of your alpha at once.

[@zangy3748]

Going out of that last repair bay unrepaired might be a bug. I had it after the second round. But because of that the last duel was thrilling tbh.

[@nphil93992]

YEah i just had teh same on teh final round, fortunately i wasn't too dinged up and my king crab shredded the final mech fairly quickly

[@julienc7084]

for pilots who remain stuck in the chamber, you must use the position command (f3), it worked for me ;)

[@glennboyce7753]

I think the first battle in the Stiner arena where the opposition ganged up on you was set up that way because one of the goals was to defeat the conspiring teams. Edit: Or at least it seems that way to me.

[@JohnDoe-hc7jf]

No, it is just very bad AI. Hiding in the Mech Boot and cheesing it out is the only way to survive it.

[@averywhitaker3513]

It's both. During the start, they should be all fighting each other. There's (supposed to be) a point where they team up and only target you though. However, as baradul points out, they just target the highest damage/dps on the field, and completely ignore everything else. Because the ai isn't very good at the game (and that seems to be intentional) the player will almost always be the sole target in a free for all unless the player actively reduces their damage output

[@averywhitaker3513]

​@@JohnDoe-hc7jfit is possible to win without hiding and waiting. It is very difficult, granted, and idk if it's possible to eke out a strong enough mech from the Solaris start without an imported save I did it straight with a cantina'd annie full of heavy rifles. Everytime I fired, the whole arena (minus whatever I just killed) would target me and then lose interest about 6 seconds later. It was close though, iirc, I had orange crit structure on my ct and a side torso, lucky not to have ammo dets

[@Chrimsonblack1]

Stymied is the same as hindering or reducing something to a full stop! Cool word, cool language.

[@Specter-wt1wt]

hi bara love your stuff, i have played throught the dlc missions , and did the same as you longrange crab (since it is a good ai mech for regular missions) but quickly realized that allmost all missions, and specifically all arena fights where at close or point blank range, so i made my king crab into a close range brawler, and did the same with the atlas and the stalker (filled that bad boy up with srm 6 streams and medium lasers (streams are just better than regular ones since they fire twice as fast), makin them all murderboats, then i i made a long range squad out of an anihilator (4 rf ac-5 ) an awesome 8q the t-bolt and a black knight (playing salvage only), i also doubled the arena mechs back armor from 7 to 14 since getting critted through the rear armor sucks. also kept a lance of mediums and lights for arena where you have to run them (harsh penalties if you don`t) crab, dervish, enforcer and 2 kintaros and 2 jenners, 1 firestarter and a wolfhound. running mostly energy build (since i farmed dhs so i have like 20+ in storage)

[@davidboothe9620]

That word stymied means to stop or stump. To impede ones progress. Fly in the ointment.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

Whew, that was intense. Short, but intense. Overall, you got some nifty new toys Bara.

[@Friedbrain11]

I am about to start it after completing the Dragon DLC. I don't use gauss as it has been nerfed badly. I did some comparison in DPS between the bf and rf versions and the bf has higher DPS. I just got the rf weps to make the comparison and won't be using them. Haven't found the gauss you had and by the looks of them they aren't any good either. SRM and bf for arena. I will be using the mod that lets you use whichever size wep you want in the wep mounts. I don't see why someone would restrict themselves with the idiot size restrictions.

[@fenrissilverfang8419]

Would make more sense if they picked the closest target and just brawled their way through. The 'aggro' mechanic should only really apply to the target you're engaging, turning to you if you're their biggest threat, but not all enemies around you... especially if its a arena free for alls. I feel that would make missions more enjoyable overall if enemies had separate target priorities.

[@Acaios1]

3:05 Funny how in MW5 Duncan is in a Warhammer, and in MWO they gave us a Thunderbolt

[@Acaios1]

9:40 Again with the dialogues right in the middle of a fight. :(

[@Rave_n_ight]

and yet that Warhammer is not buyable in MW5

[@RussianHammr]

Stymied = Blocked and frustrated Excellent video really enjoy your content.

[@herpderp9774]

I knew you would have that reaction to the first mission today, this DLC more than any other really exacerbates the inherent flaws in the AI of this otherwise really fun game. It has all the worst parts of pathing and AI aggro put together in very small maps where the enemies can gang up on you almost right from the start and you have to sit back and cheese the match to win without losing half of your lance.

[@mathogan9718]

They did Duncan dirty with this. It could have been a positive redemption arch but they just wrote him as a fool and the butt of a bunch if lame jokes.

[@zsewqthewolf1194]

"oh its a flea" every atlas mech jackie ever who see a tiny flea trying to take on an atlas

[@jschaddock9]

You handled the match pretty well I think. I find when game design makes the baddies bullet sponges or do things outside of established game mechanics to be an unfair and usually unfun. I get the intent to make a challenge but that kind of stuff isn't it for me. Still enjoying the the MW5 content but oh man that mission needed better play test or a more obvious "you're supposed to lose" if that was what they intended.

[@odinulveson9101]

Oof both you and TTB got the nasty no repair bug.. I was lucky though. But yeah the A.I is to gangon, even if it does make kinda sense. Still. Would LOVE ai fine tuning AND a Spectator mode function for Instant Action along with Solaris and 1 on 1 etc duels for it. I know you can key it to freefly camera but you as pilot is STILL on the map. I love A.I only matches sometimes inbetween breaks and do commentator impressions😂

[@Cautious_Gamer]

An alpha fire mode on 6 would absolutely annihilate with that Atlas. Might cause overheat issues though. I'm going to try it once I get an Atlas but imagine that will take awhile. Watching you play is a blast.

[@vincevassallo5385]

I might be in the minority but I like the new DLC. Yeah it has some issues, but we all know them. You guys know how to work the player centric focus. You know how to micro manage your team mates - just keep telling them what you want. The RF weapons are incredible and make RACs look obsolete - 3 AC5RFs or 4 AC2RFs dominate every scenario. Just pack lots of ammo or alt weapons when they run dry. Mounted with PPCXs and SRMs you have a Brawler beast. I give it 5/5 for my $15. I really like the action you can get in Industrial Areas to make bonus CBills while repairing or shopping for new stuff. Just be careful not to select Salvage unless there are multiple adversaries.

[@Specter-wt1wt]

the dlc is awesome sans the ai issues

[@Kaibable]

Yeah most complaints on steam are about the last steiner arena fight

[@bigsarge2085]

Good 'ol Steiner scout.

[@RedEric_]

I only played this DLC a couple weeks ago, after the patch. I hadn't realized how buggy it was at launch. Glad I missed that

[@aaronhuff2813]

Maybe load up a ecm,eccm,tag,etc, medium or heavy mech and just run around turning enemies around while your lance does the brunt. Might spread out the damage a bit that way. Just make sure your mech can land finishers after your lance cracks all the armor open.

[@shanelegendre6314]

Awesome, go in the word stymied. I have native English speakers get that word wrong. You have perfect pernuncation on the word. I remember when you were having trouble with English Pronunciations. I wish I could speak another language as well as you do.

[@ToddSchuldt-ng6xd]

I have noticed the AI pathing doesn't move the friends out of the start locations when you start "in the box behind doors" unless you F1/F3 force them to move out.

[@Specter-wt1wt]

the pathing issues with the ai is not a new thing it is just blatantly obvious when entry is a small door =)

[@ToddSchuldt-ng6xd]

@@Specter-wt1wt But the "improved" AI, on the lancemate side seems to have also had a second frontal lobotomy - I replayed one mission 11 times (using restart mission to avoid as many dynamic starting variables as possible) to watch the behavior. Almost every time when told to defend a position, my Crab with a veteran pilot and 2 large chem lasers with over-cooling, would shoot a j-eg once and turn it's armor to yellow then wander away with the J-Eg still in plain sight and sensors within optimum range and ignore it for around half a minute before it shot at it again. The other 2 lancemates just stood there the entire time. Maddening....

[@darksuit9035]

Matches like that are why i cant stream, im a bad mission restarter, would have had lance sit in the room and cease fire and let enemies kill each other, until they stopped or they came in the room as a killbox.

[@jacobscott2473]

"stymie" means to prevent or hinder the progress of whatever the focus of the sentence is, in this case it was our opfor's plans. You could have replaced it with "foiled" and it would have been the same

[@wyvernrpgvideos]

The only way to play the last arena matches is to not fire a single shot until most of the other mechs are wrecks. Very bad A.I

[@davidjones6661]

8:00 you'd have been better off with two AC10s in the swamp, might have managed same DPS with two AC5s

[@connortalbert814]

I found that an annilator e with 4 ppx just destroys everything otherwise the kaiju with 4 ppcx would be terrifying

[@jeanpierrewesthof928]

Add a lbx 10 and you got what kept me alive in this messy Expansion

[@empoweredshemphoward]

I just finished with the hero longbow with 4 srm6 lvl4 and 4 med lasers lvl 4, got a double ko vs the atlas and I was pissed thinking I lost.

[@colinmartin9797]

If you can get them working properly, I'd be fun to see you do a playthrough of the mechwarrior 4 series (vengeance, black knight and mercs)

[@perry92964]

my game play experience was totally different then yours. im 100% vanilla and i didnt have the issues with the ai. there are solaris matches at all the hubs now. STYMIED means to stand in the way of. in this case you blocked them from executing their plan to kill people in the crowed

[@markgucwa847]

During the Free For Alls I was a coward and just stayed in the cave you start off in. I let the others smash each other. Only popped out when guys got too close so I could snipe from the safety of the cave. My Lance's AI was trash. So I had the Close Combat Highlander and chopped anyone who got close. How very Capellan of me, hmm?

[@DJTourniquet]

I built a stalker with 2 b lasers, 4 smalls, and 4 srm6's and it's doing great. A little lighter on armor than I'd like... But, I'm stuck with the console version atm, so my options for getting my weight down are limited.

[@nathstevenson]

I’ve had my ally mechs just stop and stand still after you swap in and out of them, if you give them a command they then jump back to life

[@thomascraiker6449]

What the hell! You can drop your lance in these missions! I did them by myself!

[@igorbukovy4313]

If I am remember correctly so I did not have a problem with repair bay. Some kind of bug, I guess.

[@empoweredshemphoward]

Wow, ok it wasn't just me experiencing the above damage sponge marauder 2. I tried this with an annihilator lbx-10slg build that chain fired 2 at a time and did minimal damage.

[@davehill8541]

I hope you’re able to find a MAL MX-90-s. (2)PPCx, (6)machine guns, and (2)srm6 Artemis. An amazing brawler. Upgrades are just sprinkles on this cake

[@davehill8541]

It’s a new AI and you can learn it. Just a different balance that changes tactics a bit

[@richardlayton7184]

Its not in the spirit of arena battle but cant you stay in the starting area and wait it out then pick them off.

[@Rave_n_ight]

So a few things to note about this DLC 1) first battle in the arena where you bring your entire lance and everyone gangs up on you IS scripted to happen that's why the game lets you bring your entire lance to help even things out. 2) Yes the AI SUCKS big time and it is the #1 complaint about this DLC on steam currently. 3) There are still some bugs in the DLC of two the most notable, first is where sometimes the game forgets that you already selected your negotiation points and the other is sometimes the repair bays in the arena don't work or don't completely repair all of your armor. The Latter one happened to me after the second round where only half of my mechs armor was repaired but on the final fight I got a full repair. 4) Finally yes this is where the DLC missions end, there are only 7 story mission in this DLC and they are very short the only other things you get are a new mech, arena fights on hub worlds, and new weapons that's about it. Personally I would recommend to anyone thinking about getting this DLC to wait till it goes on sale as I don't really feel like the full price is worth it, especially after playing the Dragons Gambit DLC this one pales in comparison

[@kristinjenkins6136]

yeah i had to run it a couple of times just to get the ai to work properly for those 4 on 4's still sucks even doing it through doing a normal career path

[@bjorntrollgesicht1144]

My idea of fun is to scour industrial worlds for PPC X and then cram them on e v e r y t h i n g. I even put two on a Jaegermech and made it useful! I can't wait to get my hands on an Awesome and put four in! Or four Awesomes for sixteen! Carnage!

[@MysteryMastery69]

Hey bara. Covert is pronounced co-vert (co as is co-pilot, vert as in vertical)

[@RVD20012]

as a new player to mech warrior 5 should i play with yaml from the start or get to know vanilla first

[@StopMotionSiblings-kr6jy]

You need to put one of the xppc on the King Crab and keep Ac20

[@bradhedgehog12]

Crazy battles but there fun

[@AnelorGalor]

the modding community has a better arena system. there u face only mechs in your bracket aka heavy vs heavy etc.

[@nphil93992]

Yeah just done a 2 mission arena contract and shredded 22 mechs with a Catefract, those new rapid fire cannons are nuts and i've only tried the 5 & 10 so far

[@igorbukovy4313]

I had to use mech switch option to get my lance out but I could not even go out from the room with my 4th mech. I hope that PGI will fix it asap.

[@marksoler7338]

They know about it and promise a fix.

[@igorbukovy4313]

@@marksoler7338 That is good.

[@MisterNi]

Wait, that was the entire campaign? Seems a bit on the short side. I still enjoyed it though for what it is.

[@Kainsdisciples]

I hid in the starting room and let everyone come to me.

[@tachilowitsch]

It's a shame that the devs literally pay no attention to fine-tuning their dlcs. come up with a bit of dialogue, get an intern to do a bit of coding, and throw it on the market. The AI is so bad in this game that it is on the brink of being unplayable.

[@sardaukerlegion]

Steam is full of reports about these arena fights: Team not entering arena and every red mech focusing on you.

[@mrdansepo]

So I rather hid in the box for a while, till they kill each other for a bit, and then I go out of box and wiped them out. So as the final mission... with AS7-P holding a battle axe...

[@ozjohnno]

Simply by the name of it, do you need a great SWORD... the name of this weapon would suggest that it is only good for melee

[@zapman2100]

when they design a mission set and then never have anyone play it before launching it. its sad how we are the alpha testers these days and it seems like they made enemy ai better and friendly ai worse.

[@olafseverin9181]

only 3 episodes?

[@shawnadams1460]

I kept telling y'all that this would happen. I had made it further than the trial with Fisher, to this part and as soon as you come out of that repair bay....BAM! I do not like the whole 'I have to hide because the AI and Agro system SUCKS!!!' It's no dayum fun....like Baradul said..."It doesn't feel good!!!" The not shooting to get by a mission KILLS ME!!

[@FARBerserker]

i hope von seiten can change his mod to have his arenas work with this . . .

[@Hairballs_58]

I think TTrulez_AIMod2 is busted for arena combat. That's why your lancemate just stood there. It works fine for the regular missions though.

[@tjep2670]

Is he even using mods for this playthrough?

[@Hairballs_58]

@@tjep2670Oh shit you're right, he hasn't yet for this run through. Good catch!

[@sexyitalian891]

TTrulez is also broken and not updated yet. No idea when it will be but considering how fucked A.I. is in this expansion I doubt that the mod would fix much, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

[@blackforestguy9649]

The Random Arena Fights are much better 😅

[@merkarion7883]

No Melee possible with a King Crab....ok Atlas for live ^^

[@igorbukovy4313]

You should not go out. Let them fight and when the numbers go down then go out.

[@kaliban4758]

@Baradul stymied - prevent or hinder the progress of

[@Kharnage1974]

That AI is so disappointing :{

[@Johnmackenzie-c6l]

you can have your clan mechs, at the end of the day good old stompy the atlas is the winner,

[@manjujuju]

The AI in MechWarrior 4 mercenaries is much better compared to the aggro system of MechWarrior 5. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@terulien]

I thought the announcer indicated the match was rigged and that's why they all went after you.

[@SpacemanSpliff101]

Rating !

[@alphapu6644]

Damn those stadium starting areas are just badly designed imo. I mean, we all get that you can't just land with your dropship into the Arena. But why is the door of the starting booth so damn narrow? You can't even walk 2 Heavy Mech's side-by-side through it and because of lance formation / wonky AI your mates will get stuck in the side wall (just like Duncan in that earlier mission). The door should have been the whole length of that side of the starting booth so you can cleanly exit the booth. Would also add the advantage that you don't get to have a "safe area" where you could camp out / funnel the enemies

[@aaronhedgcoth609]

Is that all of the DLC? 3 hours of gameplay?

[@michaellynch1132]

Stie' me d -- to frustrate to to get in the way of. not really used a lot in common speech here in the US. Some of us older folks (a bit older than you) might still use it now and again.

[@JohnWayne-s4z]

Consoles need mods badly.

[@battletechpropaganda]

if you want to play some real solaris combat, mechwarrior 4: mercenaries is where its at

[@yendub]

The AI pathing has always been bad, this expansion just highlight how bad. It is almost as unwatchable as it is unplayable. Sorry, but I'll go and watch another series. Goblin Stone, perhaps.

[@monostripezebras]

Uff.. the game mechanics are just soo not made for Multisided Arena Fights.. the aggro-system is just not suited to that. Storywise It looks quite like they planed other things but cut stuff down quite a notch.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

The AI is completely unworkable. It's best to play this game as if teammates don't exist. I have literally never fielded more than one mech per mission.

[@KodeeDentares]

Man, that voice filter... I feel like I'm playing StarFox 64, and not in a good way.

[@FARBerserker]

no stream today? O.o not that i care about MWO

[@trevorreniger5670]

Oh god. You'd be better just staying in your cave for that Free-For-All of us just 12v4. Let them filter thru the door and pin them. Yikes. So much for improved AI. 🙄

[@roberts.wilson1848]

The game still in pre release status with the computer units..not to mention the spawning units out of thin air stupidity What a clusterf*ck this game is even after years from it's official release. So sad pgi handled developing it because they have zero clue how to make good game as MWO is a mmo and they lack knowledge to make pathing and good comouter units playing. MW4 had better units control and playing. MW3 had as well..

[@thegreatlarry9454]

I bought this DLC because I like playing this game. But man, I think a modder could have done a better job. The AI sucks, a few missions, some new weapons and mission type, not worth the money.