How Fast Are One Piece Characters?

[@Steinixos]

I honestly thought, that even without me referencing the author, that it would be common knowledge or even just a basic assumption, that within the one piece world, which has modified TRUMPET SHOTGUNS(used by igaram) and literal AUTONOMOUS ROBOTS(I.e. pacisifistas), that the guns within this same one piece world, despite their looks, would obviously fire faster than a mid 18 century gun like the Brown Bess flintlock musket which already fires at 550ms (and remember the AVERAGE speed For the modern rifles that I quoted was only 759 ms) But I have had an alarming number of people trying to make the case to me, that every single bullet dodging and blocking feat in the one piece verse, even when done at point blank range (such as with sanji), and even the entire video itself, are flawed and wrong simply because the guns in the one piece world *****LOOK***** old. I really didn’t anticipate that someone would even think to make such a argument. That is why i didn’t spend any time addressing it in the video But anyway as Emperor luffy (another commenter) already pointed out, in SBS Volume 9, chapter 74, page 66, ODA(the author) confirms that that these guns are modified and improved versions of the guns they look like. And as emperor luffy also already pointed out, even in the manga itself, you can clearly see where guns (chapter 611 pg 13) and cannons (chapter 420) are significantly more powerful than their real world counterpart. So judging them by *****LOOKS ALONE***** Isn’t really applicable here. And secondly, travel speed and combat speed are different things. They interplay together but differently based on the range over which a battle is held. But just because a person can’t traverse a long range distance at “X speed”, that doesn’t suddenly mean that this person, can’t punch, swing a sword or kick someone who is close to them at or faster than “X speed”. If you want to learn more about travel speed and combat speed, and how they differ and interplay over various ranges, there are many resources out there. But I ****generally**** won’t be going over this in my videos given the abundance of discourse already available on this topic

[@ARTislaw]

funny how a guy said no one in anime is faster than light cause real life speed caps at light speed he is dumb LOL

[@death1406]

Where do you scale Luffy when it comes to light? FTL+ or close to MFTL?

[@yigitcanozmen9531]

@@death1406 it would be likely mftl since it makes the most sense

[@verge..576]

the kuma feat isnt light speed cry about it

[@death1406]

@@verge..576 Yeah. It's Barely relative or close to light speed but not really since Zoro is barely dodging them.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

What’s even crazier about the post timeskip laser dodging is that Luffy might not have been able to use Observation Haki in this instance. Basic Observation Haki requires intent from the opponent to be read in the first place, and thinking and planning mind, but as we learned in Marineford from Doffy the Pacifista are all dead on the inside.

[@shaunladon4359]

YOOOOO that's a good one

[@shaunladon4359]

I remember u from that other lightspeed vid

[@twiistedpanda4781]

@@shaunladon4359 isnt observation haki just sensing ppls spirits but how strong you sense those spirits are related to how strong their intent to what to do to you and higher mastery of this can let you hear what ppl are really feels on the inside (as evident with fujitora)

[@shaunladon4359]

@@twiistedpanda4781 basically, which makes luffy's feats even more impressive

[@newt2120]

in One Piece everything has a spirit/life to some extent. remember the Going Merry? there is a name for it, The Voice of All Things

[@Ehstynago]

This guy needs more subscribers, one of the smartest anime You tubers I’ve come across

[@Higher_Art]

Just discovered your channel today and I'm loving it. Just my kind of channel. I appreciate the amount of research and facts you used in the video.

[@luffylength]

"This isnt in a movie or a databook" TALK THAT SHIT!

[@Packirup1234]

In the 3d2y movie and in the sbs scans observation haki is said to be able to percieve things that move at the speed of light so anyone that moves faster than observation haki is FTL automatically

[@baji3499]

which sbs?

[@Ehstynago]

3D2Y movie is canon that being said the whole can see light is just wrong cause u have tons of characters dodging light with having haki even in wano chopper doesn’t have haki but he’s still dodging queens light beams I don’t think that was Oda who told them to say that and it was just the people working on the movie trying to give a sensible reason for why characters can react to light but up to this day in the manga and anime know after that movie was out for years chopper is dodging light beam from queen and chopper has no haki also Brook and the rest of them

[@I_AM_NOVA.]

That depends on if everyone's observation haki is at that upper limit

[@Packirup1234]

@@I_AM_NOVA. Observation haki has no upper limit but light does It was not said you need to be the best at observation haki U just need to be proficient in it

[@blackcatpirates8134]

People understate the one piece Characters so much, it's Ridiculous

[@Steinixos]

I’m telling you man. I’m hoping this helps to stop the spread of misinformation

[@blackcatpirates8134]

@@Steinixos Do you think Naruto at the end of Shippuden can beat whole cake luffy? (I haven't watched Boruto,also i am not a manga reader of one piece it's the main reason why I'm using whole cake luffy)

[@DajourX9]

@@blackcatpirates8134 I need to think about it. Will probably make a video about that soon

[@RageKage987]

@@blackcatpirates8134 if we dont nerf luffys haki then yes luffy would win i think it would be close though. but ppl just dont get how haki works in OP and they try and say its the same as spirit pressure or something which it isnt.

[@blackcatpirates8134]

@@RageKage987 Yeah I agree

[@phant5667]

You deserve more subs for the amount of time editing and research you did here great video

[@Steinixos]

Thanks so much man

[@yourmomsawhale6640]

Nah he has the right amount🤷🏾‍♂️ this video is trash and all head cannon.

[@Yahboai]

Bro is everything I have been looking for on KZbin for the past 5 years

[@goat5944]

This is a very well depiction of how consistent speed feats of op are and anyone denying it outright is nothing but purely biased. Top tiers in OP are definitely way way ftl. We only need some multipliers or in story character to relate their speed to how fast they are compared to light to make one piece mftl. Hoping Kizaru would be the one do so in the final war. Thank you for doing this!!

[@yigitcanozmen9531]

Luffys g2 and g4 multipliers with his base speed feats and scaling him to the other characters generally is a good way to get the one piece to mftl

[@granchranch1503]

I agree but I would only say that is the case for reaction speed. I don’t think they have the ability to move at light speeds. Reaction speed and movement speed are 2 entirely different things. U may be able to react to something meaning dodge and or catch something. But u can’t run at that same speed. I don’t think Luffy can move at light speeds or else he could have traversed the entirety of the grand line in seconds.

[@yigitcanozmen9531]

@@granchranch1503 they dont move at that speed yeah but their battle speed and reaction speed is at this level

[@baby0891]

There is already a luffy 2 trillion times faster than light scale

[@granchranch1503]

@@baby0891 dude what?!?!? I love One Piece but that is bull. Do u know how fast that is? That means Luffy can operate in flash time bro. If that were true Luffy could’ve ended one piece right now. That means Luffy could jump too the moon and back within a second. U good bro?

[@postboymal392]

Awesome video my guy! The amount of research you do in these type of videos are crazy (ESPECIALLY IN THE HOKAGE VS ADMIRAL VIDEO). You think you can do a video on what AP/DC does the ONE PIECE verse cap at?

[@Steinixos]

Thanks so much man. And will do. I just want wano to progress a bit further first because I plan to even do videos about how strong certain characters are too. But since we are in the middle of a big battle I wanna wait a bit

[@postboymal392]

@@Steinixos Alr got you, have a great night brotha

[@stoppunchingme3870]

@@Steinixos you deserved more subsriber bro you literally speaking facts. and your backing it with actual shown feats. 👏👍 keep up the 🔥 video bro. hopes many casual or one piece downplay scalers well see this.👊💯

[@donovan4668]

How does this only have 125 likes. This was an amazing video and a great explanation.

[@DEXTERMOGGAN123]

Heres how I scale luffy in terms of speed Pre Timeskip Skypeia - Enels attack speed is relativistic to relativistic+ via ODA in SBS volume 47 Water 7 - Foxy uses photonic beams which are logically lightspeed, more lightspeed feats to build consistency - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3 Thriller Bark - Zoro dodging Kuma calc and scans - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3 So, we find out how much 1 pixel translates to 1 centimeter. To do that, we scale Kuma's height to his pixels. According to the One Piece Wiki, Bartholomew Kuma is 689 cm tall, in the Manga Panel, Kuma is 313 Pixels tall. 313/689= 0.45428156748 So 0.45428156748 Centimeter=1 pixel So If Zoro jumped 296 pixels, we will use our formula of 0.45428156748=1 to find out how far Zoro jumped 0.45428156748x296=134.467343974 Centimeters So Zoro jumped 134.467343974 Centimeters. The distance that Kuma's Pad Cannon had already moved is 135 Pixels, so using the previous formula we can find the distance in centimeters 135x0.45428156748=61.3280116098 Kuma's Pad Cannon had already moved 61.3280116098 Centimeters before Zoro dodged, this will be important in the next section when we will need to calculate the distance Kuma's Pad Cannon had moved when Zoro dodged. Distance Kuma's Pad Cannon moved compared to Zoro. Kuma's Cannon Moved 115 Pixels let's plug this into the formula 115x0.45428156748=52.2423802602 So Kuma's Light Speed Pad Cannon Moved 52.2423802602 Centimeters Compare this to the distance Zoro jumped to find Zoro's speed Results (Mathematically) 1.55329512526c (FTL) Results (Simply): 1.6x FTL More consistency that pre timeskip one piece is ftl, and that luffy scales zoro Archipelago -Hawkins reacts to Kizaru, which is stated to be lightspeed, but this is the final part proving consistency 3D2Y - Byrnndi world is stated to be speed of light by rayleigh himself, the same world then amps his speed 100 fold via his devil fruit - So world is 100x speed of light, and luffy is either = or faster than world who’s 100x sol Everything besides 3D2Y was here for the sake of consistency, the real scaling starts post 3D2Y Post Timeskip Dressrosa - So as we know, gear 2 is a 10x amp via databook yellow Then in Dressrosa, doflamingo describes gear 4 as a several times amp, with several being more than 2. So as a lowball, I’ll use 3x amp. Given luffy was 100x ftl in gear 2, and gear 4 is being taken as a 3x amp here, he’s 300x sol. Whole Cake Island - In the katakuri fight, luffy uses gear 4 and clashes with katakuri at the beginning. He is then overwhelmed once Katakuri begins using future sight again. Luffy in gear even confirms that Katakuri using future sight is invincible to him. He then runs from the fight and says he’s going to learn future sight and beat katakuri at his absolute best, with rayleigh explaining that haki can bloom massively in high tier battles. Remember that Luffy in gear 4 at this point is 300x sol, which is important for the next part. Luffy returns and in base dodges, and clashes with a katakuri that was blatantly blitzing and overwhelming gear 4 earlier, so luffy at this point should have his base be = or stronger than his earlier gear 4. This is both logical and consistent with the series, with Rayleigh explaining it as a haki bloom, and it occurs multiple times later in the series. So now base luffy would be 300x sol, gear 2 would be 3,000x, and gear 4 would be 9,000x sol. Post stabbing, katakuri then says luffy isn’t inferior to him, base luffy at that. We then see 3 more pages of base luffy contending with katakuri in both speed and power (1,2,3) Once Snakeman is released, luffy confirms it’s faster than bounceman, with katakuri echoing it’s different than his previous gear 4. Given that bounce man was logically a 3x speed amp, I’m going to say snakeman is a 4x amp, making him 12,000x sol at this point. There’s no more scaling for WCI, besides luffy beating katakuri and his base being 300x sol at this point. Wano - To open the scaling for wano, we have luffy vs kaido in the town. Luffy is unable to harm a drunk kaido, and gets blitzed and one tapped in bounceman. So its consistent gear 4 can’t react to a not trying and drunk kaido. Fast forward to chapter 1000 and the rooftop, and we have luffy in base tanking attacks and partially reacting to them, with kaido even saying he’s putting up a decent fight. This logically puts base rooftop luffy > the gear 4 that got one shot in the town, who is 9,000x sol. So at this moment in time, base luffy is 9,000x sol, gear 2 is 90,000x sol, and gear 4 is 270,000x sol. Gear 4 luffy then contends with a base kaido, damaging him and showing relativity to his attacks. We get even more proof of base luffy being able to contend with kaido, and do it to a better extent than his gear 4 self in chapter 1010 (1,2,3). This would place luffy's base at 270,000x sol, gear 2 at 2,700,000x sol, and gear 4 at 8,100,000. The final quantifiable amp comes with gear 5 at the end of wano, with it being stated as an exponential amp of the users body, making gear 5 116,640,000,000,000x sol Final results as of right now, chapter 1054 - Base - 270,000x sol Gear 2 - 2,700,000x sol Gear 3 - Unknown Gear 4 Bounce Man/Snakeman - 8,100,000/10,800,000 Gear 5 - 116,640,000,000,000, aka 116 trillion times the speed of light

[@tofu2807]

1:29

[@fidelgames]

L scaling ngl

[@Moizio]

Bro ate the yap yap fruit 😂 need the same drugs you take

[@manlight5035]

Nice work bro. Wouldn't call it as reliable method but it perfectly shows how insane OP can be wanked if we use the same methods Naruto and Bleach fans use.

[@selfishbeats]

Autism, none of this real. luffy can move around our planet 7 times a second. thats 670,000,000 mph. none of them do that. they could jump from one island to another instantly and would never need a boat.

[@samuelprince4719]

I gotta say you honestly have the best one piece thumbnails on KZbin and great content instant sub 😅

[@Lordlos9]

I like that you downplay everything the characters are capable of by a lot and still prove your point. I'm not that familiar with one piece vs battles but people must downplay one piece a lot since everything I've seen lately was you lowballing feats and still scaling the lowest common denominator.

[@RageKage987]

ppl think OP characters are weak bc they havent seen the show. they downplay everything in it and dont understand how any of it works. ppl say wano luffy is only an island buster not knowing the OP world is far larger than it looks the islands they casually destroy and pick up are sometimes the size of continents.

[@alxperju]

Also in a SBS written by oda him self he stated that "you have to be faster than light to dodge enels attacks" SBS VOLUME 47

[@Steinixos]

Oh nice.

[@mistercontroversial]

Lol wow. Anyone who tries to downplay One Piece’s speed is in for it now

[@sufyanahmed5751]

@@Steinixos it’s true but I’d doubt you’d use this to scale Luffy’s speed anyways. Oda says it mostly in a joking term and I know how you like to still lowball One Piece to extreme amounts to convey your points so using that statement isn’t really needed.

[@alxperju]

@@sufyanahmed5751 Pretty sure sbs are cannon

[@sufyanahmed5751]

@@alxperju I never said it wasn’t?

[@KilianHaglonMaur]

Hi, loved your video and loved how you always proved and backed up your arguments. Wanted to ask if you could do this with Black Clover as well because I had a heated argument with friends trying to prove to them that the characters in one piece are faster and move at light speed compared to Black Clover, would be much appreciated, thanks and again loved your video, great job ✌️

[@emperorluffy6001]

Looking forward to this. Gonna watch this later. The Roundabout Cast just released their podcast review of Whole Cake Island. It's 2 hours. Gonna take a while to get through that.

[@Anticap17]

Do u have a discord emperor luffy

[@emperorluffy6001]

@@Anticap17 Yeah. Why?

[@Anticap17]

@@emperorluffy6001 I was arguing with bleach fans about one piece being faster mftl.I brought up kuma paw cannons from thriller but these fools say his Shockwaves or attacks are not lightspeed because physics blah but they believe bleach is infinite in speed.

[@emperorluffy6001]

@@Anticap17 You don't even need to use the paw canons. You have Kizaru's lasers and all the lightning feats in Skypeia to go off of.

[@Anticap17]

@@emperorluffy6001 yeah I know but goddammit,the disingenuous in their argument is hurting me .But when it's bleach or dragon ball they take hyperbole or statement as they are but kuma showing it and saying it can be debunked?😭😭Blackbeard was right "a man cope will never die " one piece is the strongest of the big three logically

[@Phantomkidx]

The Kuma part is where your argument goes wrong

[@powerscallingfiend]

How ?

[@CliffordDLewis022]

Not anymore

[@Deode-d4h]

The most concerning thing from the comments I've been seeing isn't if the calculations are correct, but how everyone's suspension of disbelief dies the moment lightspeed or FTL feats start being mentioned. Like are we seriously going to ignore the fact that this story started with a guy who turned rubber and where normal humans survive cannon fire like it's nothing, or the very simple fact this is a fictional story? If Oda wants to portray lightspeed attacks and FTL reactions without disrupting his story because "Light can travel across the planet 7 times over" then he can just do that because it's fiction and it's his story. Oda can play fast and loose with the physics of light without having to deal with its annoying effects like literally every other fiction author.

[@noww446]

THANK YOU!!!!! somebody who actually has brain cells in this comment section

[@kaikage6060]

In thriller bark kuma was stated in the Manga to have an attack that moves at light speed called the pad cannon. Zoro while heavily fatigued and injured was able to dodge multiple of these attacks spammed at him making zoro ftl. Luffy and Zoro are said to be relative pre time skip, making luffy also ftl. In the 3d2y light novel luffy runs into a man named world who can increase his power and speed by 100 fold and in his base form speed blitzes luffy,Making base form world ftl. World with his df increase is 100xftl making full power world ftl+. Luffy outpaces and outperform world and defeats him, making luffy ftl+. And this is pre timeskip luffy In dressrosa arc a much stronger faster luffy faces doffy. Where intern we see gear 4th so, it was stated it increases his power by several times, several meaning more than 3 so lowballing gear 4th luffy is 300xftl. Lowballing gear 2 is a 1.2x multiplier so 375xftl. On whole cake island arc luffy fights katakuri where he gets a zenkai like boost. In the beginning of the fight katakuri as he states multiple times that he was far stronger and faster than luffy. He was even shown speed blitzing a gear 4th luffy. Later in the fight luffy actually starts matching katakuri in base form, outperforming gear 4th luffy earlier meaning his multipliers reset. So base luffy is 375 times ftl meaning now a gear 4th luffy is 1025xftl. Haki is said to bloom in the middle of fights stated by both Rayleigh and zoro, he's also done this in the 3d2y light novel and so you can't say it's an outlier. In wano gear 4th luffy gets perception blitzed by kaido. In there next encounter we can see luffy speed blitz kaido in his base. Meaning once again luffy multiplier resets and now base luffy is 1025xftl and gear 4th is now 3025xftl

[@dylandownie4989]

the light novels are non canon plus if before the time skip luffy was 300 times light that would make him 300 times faster than casual kizaru which is what rayleigh was fighting and the make him at least able to do similar feats to marco moving infront of kizaru's lasers when he protected wb which doesnt make sense as marco is at least relative to katakuri who is relative or above snakeman luffy

[@joegun4259]

remember, luffy was training for 2 years meaning he massively upscales this easily like that

[@gaythugsmatter7029]

It’s not that deep go touch grass. Matter cannot move at the speed of light or the world of op would be gone. Don’t take the light speed crap at face value

[@Seven_DB]

@@gaythugsmatter7029 appeal to reality unfortunately. By this logic they’re also not faster than lightning because they’d be too fast to see where they’re going

[@kaikage6060]

​@Dylan Downie That novel is canon. It was approved by oda himself, and this writer is the same writer who wrote all the other straw hats story during the timeskip.

[@emperorluffy6001]

Ok so I completely agree with the whole video but theres some stuff that didn't get mentioned. So I'm gonna add onto what you said here: -First off you missed including a piece of info on the Guns in One Piece. Oda actually stated that One Piece guns are significantly more advanced than the classical weapons they're made to look like. Source: SBS Volume 9. A lot of them are shown to be significantly more powerful than modern guns(Chapter 611 pg 13) and only appear the way they do because they're meant to match the aesthetic that fits a Pirate story. One only needs to look at how ridiculously powerful the canons are compared to real world canons(Chapter 420) to see my point. Theres other examples I'm missing for the guns but I don't have the time or space to include them all. lol. -The reason the Kuma argument is used is because people feel the need to make sense of Kizaru still being faster than preskip Luffy. Theres a moment where Kizaru blitzes Luffy(Chapter 566) and calls him slow, so the implication seems to be that Luffy is still "technically" slower than LS during the timeskip. But given your explanation here it's not really inconsistent if Luffy is only just barely able to dodge LS lasers pretimeskip. Meaning his movement speed would still be slower than Kizaru and he was only barely dodging due to having extremely high reaction time. Which makes sense when you consider that he DID in fact react to Kizaru in that scene at Marineford the moment he appeared but was simply not fast enough to dodge. -I was surprised you didn't address the other arguments used against Kizaru being LS so I might as well mention & debunk them here. People like to bring up the lasers trope in fiction. The argument is that they're often used purely for aesthetic and looking cool and aren't actually meant to be LS most of the time so just because you see lasers doesn't necessarily mean that a character is LS. Which is fair but Kizaru himself has already point blank stated that he is LS hence his comment that speed is weight. Indicating that the author's intent is that he's clearly meant to be LS so we can take it as such. The other arguments against Kizaru are much more stupid. They often come from normies who've never seen a LS character in fiction before and think that LS should be doing so much more than what was shown. Which makes it difficult for them to wrap their tiny brains around the fact that he is LS. They bring up arguments like "wouldn't there be a nuclear explosion or something whenever Kizaru moves at LS?" And the answer is no. Because while they may have that kind of force not every powerful attack is gonna cause major damage to the environment if the author doesn't want it to. You need only look at panels of Superman hitting people with planetary punches or The Flash's infinite mass punch to see what I'm talking about. Normally attacks such as these would cause huge damage to everything around them but that stuff is ignored for convenience sake. The reality is that Author's simply don't want to draw destruction all the time if it's inconvenient for the story. Fictional LS characters are gonna be portrayed in whichever way the author thinks is best. That DOES NOT take away from the fact that they are in fact LS.

[@Steinixos]

Dude I honestly thought, that even without me referencing the author, that it would be common sense that within the one piece world, which has modified TRUMPET SHOTGUNS(used by igaram) and literal AUTONOMOUS ROBOTS(I.e. pacisifista), that the guns within the one piece world, despite their looks, would obviously fire faster than a mid 18 century gun like the Brown Bess flintlock musket which already fires at 550ms (and remember the AVERAGE speed For the modern rifles that I quoted was only 759 ms) But you’d be surprised how many people have now made the claim to me, that every single bullet dodging and blocking feat in the one piece verse even when done at point blank range (such as with sanji) and my entire video itself, is flawed and wrong because the guns in the one piece world *****LOOK***** old. I honestly didn’t even conceive that anyone would even think to make such a silly argument. Especially given that bullets were only a starting point before getting into into the really interesting stuff like lightning and light. That’s why I didn’t spend much time on that. And similarly, those other arguments against kizaru seemed obviously too silly for me to address. Like I didn’t imagine that a informed person would make such arguments. So like with the “guns look old therefore slow” argument I didn’t feel it necessary to make the video even longer going by into that. That is alsowhy I didn’t even speak about combat speed vs travel speed. Like I thought this was all common sense. So To avoid a 1 hour video. I didn’t include the things that were obviously silly or just basic knowledge. But clearly that was a mistake on my part given some of these responses that I’ve been been getting. So thank you so much for posting this man

[@emperorluffy6001]

@@Steinixos No problem. Your only problem is that you greatly underestimated just how "silly" people can be. Especially on the internet. So you definitely have to raise the point and bring it to people's attention otherwise the stupid folks who will grab at any old excuse in order to downplay One Piece will make these goofy arguments.

[@Steinixos]

@@emperorluffy6001 You are definitely correct man. But this just means my videos are gonna be even longer from now on Lol

[@JuanFlores-gs7uu]

Had a friend not like lightspeed characters because of G-force being dangerous I wouldn't call him dumb, just not attuned to the power scaling mindset

[@mistercontroversial]

@@Steinixos You would be surprised at just how many people try to downplay Kizaru’s speed.

[@gear_impact6707]

Luffy after timeskip was already FTL, now lets remember Kaido blitzing him… High level combatants in one piece are all MFTL+

[@dumb-shark-king]

Still fodder

[@gear_impact6707]

@@dumb-shark-king agreed

[@BoogaDooba]

@@dumb-shark-kingto what verse?

[@fidelgames]

If they are mftl like you're saying why are they still riding on boats? Why can't they just hop from island to island

[@SirCount]

​@@fidelgamesreaction and combat speed, not travel speed

[@DemonFox369]

This means Kizaru is FTL+ and I agree. Kizaru should have reached light speed the moment he ate his fruit. If Enel ever treturns and fights again, his attacks are not as fast as lightning but will be FTL+ too.

[@Aslan.19050]

We have a multipler for Gear 2, in Databook yellow it‘s said „Power and speed increased tenfold! Not even a master of Rokushiki could anticipate his attacks!“

[@Viv1992]

You might already know this, lightspeed(c) can vary by environment. An example of this is that in the sea the speed of light travels slower than the speed of sound and that radars are consequently more useful for communication underwater than light. Light moving through wind also has a different speed than when light moves through empty space. Unfortunately that's all I know and I can't bother to look up for the exact measurements but you should look it up it's really interesting! Great video as always, see you around.

[@ayushsinghbaghel7038]

Dude the speed of light barely changes depending on the medium.. And they aren't used in radar etc. is because they are too fast and no system can actually detect the change in data

[@dylandownie4989]

so what is the pika pika no mi slow? you said that his lasers and when he is made of light is light speed but he can go above that or below if wanted when swinging his sword does that mean his fruit's slow compared to even mid-high tiers like katauri?

[@black.dlightning3072]

You deserve a sub men

[@markheisenberg8257]

Great video

[@clff1342]

Take a shot every time he says “light speed beam” or “too slow”

[@alfredomercado188]

Thank you this is the same thing I've been saying about kizaru. Because kizaru use majority of light speed basic attacks during sabaody arc and most pirates couldn't do or react to it. Saying that kizaru is only at light speed is like saying that if kizaru and enel where to encounter enel would be way faster automatically because enel is only lighting base which makes absolutely no sense. Some people try to down play one piece speed

[@phemelomositwane9157]

even then, the worst gen members were still able to perceive kizaru just before getting hit, validating the reletavistic+ speed more. They all looked towards kizaru before getting hit.

[@alfredomercado188]

@phemelomositwane9157 problem is people are making assumptions off of they see vs what they actually know. Thing kizaru wasn't even going all out so we don't know what he is capable of and this is what makes it hard to rank where kizaru stands the Admiral only use 10 percent if that so only thing that people do is make assumptions

[@haku8866]

You probably ain’t gonna see this but if you do pin it :) Now funny thing I did an experiment I went outside for three people who said that luffy is not faster then the speed of light so I asked them some questions 1. How much faster is luffy than Nami and ussop in skypea? they all agreed on at least 5 times faster 2. How much faster did luffy get after the timeskip? The all agreed on 2-3 times faster so I’m assuming the lowest of 2 times faster 3. How much faster does advanced conquerors haki make luffy? They all agreed on 10 times faster 4. How much faster does gear 5 make luffy? They agreed on 5-10 times faster assuming the lowest we’re going for 5 times Now I guess you can guess where this is going. Assuming Nami and Ussop are at least light speed because oda himself said in SBS Volume 47 that you have to be faster than light speed to dodge enel. So with simple math we come with the equation of Light Speed times 5 times 2 times 10 times 5 do the math luffy is at least 500 times faster than the speed of light thank you for reading all of this and I hope this time wasn’t wasted

[@ProjektTaku]

that quote can't be used since he said "duck at LS" not that you have to be LS to dodge.

[@haku8866]

@@ProjektTaku let’s say you are correct and we divided the ending speed by 5 luffy is still faster than the speed of light

[@ProjektTaku]

@@haku8866 okay, point is you don't have to be LS to dodge enel.

[@barneyosmond5527]

The light beams from post time skip where he called them slow is only relativistic feat due to the distance however pre time skip saobody arc he dodged from way way closer and is 1.03x ftl. Then in 3D2Y (still pre time skip) luffy fought a character who was on par with luffys speed from the start but then he used an ability to increase his speed 100x, making him around 100x ftl in base. Then in g2 which is a 10x multiplier based off data books makes him 1000x ftl in g2. Then in g4 bounceman it x3 power ( which is speed and strength ) off of g3 for strength and g2 for speed ( bc doffy said it pushes his power several times beyond its past limits, technically x3 is lowball for the word several btw ) that makes bounceman luffy 3000x ftl. Then in wano kaido perception blitzes Luffy in bounceman, then after training he is able to keep up with kaido in hybrid form in base making him at least 3000x ftl in base, 30000x ftl in g2 and 90000x ftl in bounceman. This isn’t taking into account for snakeman which would make him way faster however I don’t know the multiplier for it, as well as g5 ( I don’t know if g5 is faster than any g4 so could be faster ).

[@markheisenberg8257]

Oda said that you need to be Light speed to dodge, Enel's lightning so these speed feats should be higher.

[@NukeNuke1]

He lowballs so people don’t complain

[@scottiecurrie7927]

Cant take that statement as accurate because that was during an SBS, and Oda doesnt powerscale in SBSs. These scales are enough

[@NukeNuke1]

@@scottiecurrie7927 no the SBS is For more information on things like powers, What the crew does and etc it’s all canon information basically

[@scottiecurrie7927]

@@NukeNuke1 Usually, but Oda often doesnt give powerscaling feats because he doesnt powerscale in general. He makes jokes all the time in the SBSs, saying Luffy can stretch 90 gomu gomus or Robin can create 70 hana hanas. Even in the response you're talking about he's clearly joking. He doesnt say, "Enel's lightning can move faster than light", its "Enel is tricky! Protect your bellies and duck at the speed of light!" You can't take Oda's ridiculous joking as canon material, thats simply not how it works. Now the Vivre cards are often more straightforward and accurate because he supervises those and theres very little joking involved

[@NukeNuke1]

@@scottiecurrie7927 he was referring a canon moment for when luffy had a golden ball on his arm and 1 shotted him into the bell even if u think he’s joking it’d be an Appeal to tradition in debating/power scaling

[@CloudyDaze]

"Oh Madara's Night Fang attack Naruto dodge is stated to be light in a databook do Naruto hit light speed!" "Oh Ceros are LIGHT-BASED ATTACKS said inside of this databook so Bleach has been light speed since Soul Society!" "Yea it's a man made of light who uses lasers and has laser weapons based ON him and it's all directly said in the text... but nah nobody in one piece is light speed lmao."

[@uriahthegreat5004]

5:39 That manga page also shows him with the golden ball on his arm.

[@ayushsinghbaghel7038]

Best explanation out there

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

5:45 though I think Luffy scales relative to the lightning in at least combat speed, the AOE of the bolt is less impressive when it's blatantly obvious that it's taller than it is wide, meaning it would have to travel the longer length while Luffy would have to move the shorter width.

[@crazychainsaw007]

My biggest issue with the way you measure lightspeed is the fact that people are using light that they’re receiving in their eyes to somehow dodge lightspeed beams. A few of these definitely were not using future sight either.

[@rafaelmontoya1454]

That goes for almost all lightspeed+ characters in fiction

[@borsalino177]

even usopp said already in little garden that he can dodge with pure will atleast one bullet

[@apollyon2018]

Damn, I love when the anime immediatly throw lightspeed out of the window for le epic momentos

[@DemonFox369]

They can move at light speed but don’t always move at light speed

[@Cipher_Paul]

1:22 well, Van Auger's bullets traveled past the horizon in less than a few seconds, which we can estimate because his rifle was still smoking in the next page when we saw him. We also know from the Alabasta arc that it's possible to see up to at the very least 50 km away in the One Piece world. This means Van Auger's bullets would have a speed of at the very least 16,666.67 m/s. And considering how destructive some rifles can be in One Piece I'd say it's fair to assume that's they can go at 10,000 m/s.

[@lxfj2128]

Are admirals in the same tier as yonko ? Because garp and sengoku were same level as Rodger and whitebeard. So is are the current admirals as strong as the current yonko. Make a video on this

[@JuanFlores-gs7uu]

No, they aren't Old, dying, wounded Whitebeard spanked Akainu Other regular Yonkos are of comparable power

[@samlim4982]

I wish one day Luffy can revenge Ace and punch a hole through akainu as well

[@lxfj2128]

@@JuanFlores-gs7uu spanked last time I checked he wins missing a third of his head

[@JuanFlores-gs7uu]

@@lxfj2128 yeah, he got hurt, but in terms of damage, Whitebeard demolished Akainu. And even after that, he still kept fighting others

[@alxperju]

@@JuanFlores-gs7uu Admirals had to hold back so they would destroy marine ford and if you get old you dont get weaker stated by oda himself (you only get weaker if you have a disease or something and don't take medicine)

[@trehubb6144]

The amount of one piece downplay for speed over the years is insane. It's nice some people actually give them their just dues💯

[@Gamewithzzlive]

thats becuase if they are moving ftl then they could just run on water it would be easy for zoro sense he did not eat a devil fruit. and at high enough speeds he could walk on water. even for luffy if he moves faster then light he could just jump from island to island. it would break all of one peice if they actualy moved ftl. It would take less then .13 secconds to go anywhere in the world

[@IMRAGODFORM]

@@Gamewithzzlive This is just proof that you didn't pay attention to the video. This video isn't saying that the one piece characters can be as fast as sonic or anything. Pay attention clown.

[@cantthinkofagooduser4165]

​@Gamewithzzlive they're talking abt reaction and combat speed not travel speed🤓🤓

[@cjusedits]

The photons don’t act like actual light and bend over 8 degrees, and pass through mediums.

[@blackbeetle1564]

Can you please make a Hunter Hunter vs one piece video

[@MATI640]

20:32 this isnt fighting speed or travel speed it is reaction speed

[@marinomele4575]

I throughoutly enjoyed the video, great exposition and argumentation... But there're two mistakes! Niji and Kuma say "Kosoku" wich means lightspeed in a figurative way. Undefined Hyper-fast. While Kizaru is the only one to use "Hikaru no Sokudo", wich is THE speed of light. Lastly, as you said, Observation is at its best against known trajectories, like Pacifista's beams. While Kaido's attacks come from all directions... It's a whole different story. Hence why Luffy says he can "futuresight" Kaido's movements, surely slower than Kizaru's, but isn't fast enough to dodge them. While still being able to effortlessly aim-dodge the lasers. But of course you're right, you still need to be extremely fast. And since my comment isn't 2yrs old like this video, I have the benefit of saying Kizaru constantly blitzing G5 Luffy further adds to this narrative.

[@canned3880]

Every time I was gonna comment something you addressed it

[@blackbeetle1564]

Specifically adult gon vs luffy

[@JotaroKujo-ip5wb]

apparently zoro DID die in thriller bark after absorbing luffys pain. oda literally just said his soul got lost back into his body

[@andrijajovanovic3677]

Could you please do an update for G5 luffy and scale him and wano zoro&sanji

[@jessicasnyder7708]

I love this guy he most def knows what the speed is like how he is doin the video who is faster Naruto or luffy

[@Anticap17]

Luffy ,naruto has no feats

[@KilianHaglonMaur]

Hi, wanted to ask if you could also to this with fire force, thanks

[@50shadesofhappinessoffilip33]

I finally the perfect channel.

[@markheisenberg8257]

We can assume that a hybrid Zoan transformation is a 10 increase because fishmen who are hybrid of humans and fish or evolved humans are 10 times stronger than humans

[@insatiablehunger2138]

12:32 fukuro also stated to have lighting speed soru

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

*Faster than lightning

[@Kasairoe]

observation haki does not equate to speed, by knowing a car will drive at a specific location does not make you faster than the car.

[@rattandragon9104]

Not gonna put my opinion But Most people who commented haven't even watched the entire vid Its 20 minutes long just use 2x speed

[@ZlCRON]

true

[@MedicEne]

I think we need to realize that Oda isn't a physicist lol He doesn't understand how insanely fast the speed of light is. Light can travel around the earth 7 times in a second, if Kizaru is light speed, he could literally teleport anywhere on Earth instantly. He wouldnt need to travel on a cannon ball as it moves over 20 million times slower than kizarus normal speed. A light-speed kick would have the energy of 40 million nukes.... yeah it would destroy the planet. And why would Kizaru get scared of Beckman's gun? If he is light speed a bullet would be moving in slow motion... Either the speed if light is much slower in one piece or the characters don't move that fast

[@theloserkilljoy1025]

Kizaru isn't a navigator, as far as we know. In fictions, people that are FTL aren't going around the planet over 7 times in a second or destroying planets. The speed of light isn't slower in OP, light speed can be surpassed in training in fiction and it can be replicated and surpassed by tech. If it's slower in OP, then it's slower everywhere else.

[@MedicEne]

@@theloserkilljoy1025 well then it’s not really the speed of light then is it ?

[@theloserkilljoy1025]

@@MedicEne It's the speed of light, but it's not real light speed. It's what you can call fictional light speed. You'll get nowhere by straining yourself with bringing logic of speed and physics into fiction 24/7/365.

[@MedicEne]

@@theloserkilljoy1025 yeah this was my point it’s not the real speed of light it’s fictional speed of light. Which means it can be anything, but power scalers act like it’s the real speed of light

[@theloserkilljoy1025]

@@MedicEne Yeah, obviously it's not the real speed of light. If it was, we'd know what would happen instead.

[@allmightygamer1713]

dodging a light beam dosent makes you faster than light or light speed on top of that usage of obv haki debuffs it more . being speed of light means travelling the distance betn earth and sun in 8 mins. I dont think any one piece characters except kizaru can do that.if they could have they wouldnt even need ships to travel. lets not talk about how much energy would be released when a mass travelling at light speed impacts.

[@jayvierjemmott7771]

See, all logic is meaningless so be quiet.

[@rimskyrichard8651]

yeah but this is an anime they're world physics won't be the same as ours the world of one piece is way bigger then ours actually it takes them like 3 days on ships to get between islands sometimes.

[@redryujin9395]

Even with this video, you're still kind of low balling there speed because Enel was stated multiple times in an sbs and by Nami to be a light speed character. I would just make the argument that that his lightning is moving because of both the initial force of lightning and Enel's own force since he is manipulating the lightning.

[@Steinixos]

Well I generally try to underestimate as much as possible to avoid anyone trying to accuse me of bias or overestimation. But Which SBS volume is that? I haven’t come across it before

[@alxperju]

@@Steinixos SBS VOLUME 47 WRITTEN BY ODA HIM SELF

[@daddy8413]

He didn't say he was a light speed?

[@redryujin9395]

@@daddy8413 It doesn't exactly say Enel is light speed, but it's still interesting that Oda would say you should duck at light speed to guard yourself against Enel's attacks even though that would actually make Enel faster than light. You can find the statement in an sbs statement at the end of 450

[@daddy8413]

@@redryujin9395 I'm sorry what? It was just a joke by Oda, it doesn't actually mean you have to move at light speed to dodge it. Luffy could barely dodge lasers at marine ford and that was way after he fought enel. Also Blueno was easily dodging his punches that enel considered fast even with a gold ball stuck on his arm. So enel being light speed isn't true AT ALL!!!

[@Calvin-uk8po]

I really love your videos but wouldn’t it be up playing by measuring the speed of bullets to guns of today when the guns in one piece are very old

[@navhidahmed481]

Read his comment

[@navhidahmed481]

Also guns don’t matter as we have other feats to scale there speed

[@nickwilliams2745]

I highly doubt the author intends for them to be moving at light speed-and you can dodge things that are faster than you are

[@karma2130]

The author definitely does intend that since he mentions lightspeed movements multiple times throughout the series

[@Highimtrick]

"Lightspeed" "Light" "speed of light" is constantly stated, so i doubt that

[@DemonFox369]

Does Enel getting stronger mean his attacks get faster? Is his attack FTL now?

[@Valkrie892]

Not really, Kizaru attacks r still light speed

[@DemonFox369]

@@Valkrie892 Is that his limit? Aren’t Luffy and Kaido faster than light? Seems odd if Kizaru became light speed when he ate his fruit and may be slower than Akainu in a fight.

[@Valkrie892]

@@DemonFox369 no i mean, Kizaru's combat speed is faster than light but his projectile attacks like his laser beams are still light speed

[@NenshoyajuRaizer]

Good video overall, my only pet peeve with it was, and I know it's pedantic, but every time you called Sanji's brothers 'mid-tier characters', my eyebrow rose. Because there are over 1,000 named One Piece characters, so calling them mid-tier felt weird. Even if we were to say that they're somewhere in the 200s on the ranking of strongest One Piece characters - which is where I would place them if I were lowballing them - they would still be in the top 20%, which doesn't feel like 'mid-tier'. And perhaps you do believe that they are somewhere in the 400s/500s/600s of strongest One Piece characters, but if that where the case, I would have to say that you're undervaluing them.

[@DemonFox369]

Does a mage’s light attack move at the speed of light or move at the speed of however fast the mage launches it? Is being 4 times stronger than someone being 4 times faster? It could be less, it could be more.

[@ProjektTaku]

but its clearly meant to be light speed. Kuma also launches his pads at light speed, and kizaru is literally light, and the pacifista's light beams are directly based upon kizaru's pika pika no mi, so its pretty clear that they're far above LS. Also, douriki measures overall physical ability, not just strength.

[@kingdommccoy]

Gazelle Man is faster than the Strawhats not even moving at the speed of sound. I believe multiple people have Instantaneous Movements and bursts of speed like with Shave/Soru, but it's not consistent. Running Speed is and Combat Speed aren't sound speed. Their Technique Speed on the other hand is definitely top tier.

[@AxelSG]

Biggest issue with relativistic, lightspeed and ftl attacks and feats is that they make no sense from a physics standpoint, you need infinite energy to accelerate something with mass to lightspeed. So basically, assuming attacks are moving at close to lightspeed, they'd destroy the planet easily. Also, when u move at lightspeed or faster, u are blind for obvious reasons. In summary, it's a cool thing to have in fiction but at the same time makes things nonsensical. Unless you start changing the laws of physics, like vision not being dependant on light or having different kinds of lightspeeds, and also nerf the mass times acceleration formula to the ground, it is just inconsistent.

[@ProjektTaku]

that's so dumb, applying real world logic to a world like one piece.

[@admiraljt3542]

There’s also a cannon movie where a certain devil fruit could times the persons abilities by 100x such as strength and speed which Luffy slowly started to outspeed him and even blitz him and this was pre timeskip

[@mrme.484]

ok but can luffy out eat majin buu

[@ProjektTaku]

majin buu's stomach can seemingly hold an infinite amount of things while luffy has a limit to how much his body can stretch, meaning buu would out eat him.

[@DemonFox369]

Is base Kizaru FTL?

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

Ohh okey so if a dude holds a gun to my head, and I move my head away in time, that means that Im supersonic... gottcha

[@kikor4954]

You ain't dodging that bullet lil bro

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

@@kikor4954 Big guy doesn't know what an analogy is. Redo 3rd grade's English and physics classes, please.

[@kikor4954]

@freemanzweidreifunf8025 if you can dodge a point-blank gun shot by just moving your head, then yes, you are supersonic You know you ain't dodging that bullet cuddi

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

@@kikor4954 I can dodge a 100mph Baseball tho, does that mean I scale to that speed aswell 😂 What you are scaling here is attack Reading, prediction and reaction time, not "speed" itself. Reacting to the prediction of a laser beam shot at you, doesnt scale you to the speed of light, it simply means you can read the attack and react fast enough before the shot hits. There is a clear charge up time for the laser beam, and a delay betweet each shot, that time is luffys time to read and react to an attack, not luffys Speed. Please get some brain cells brother.

[@kikor4954]

@freemanzweidreifunf8025 rewatch the scene luffy only moved his head when each laser was right in front of him his body moved at a speed to dodge a lightspeed attack and then claimed that it was too slow

[@nickr6248]

So many assumptions being made to get to these conclusions

[@kyubi2612]

Damn what about brook?

[@bailly1998]

As always one piece fandom loves to dabble around the fact that there isnt a single statement to canonically put anyone above the speed of light at all and the only character Kizaru, is specifically stated to be travelling light speed and being light, not once is he or anything else described as being above it. Calc stacking dont work for speed in OP clearly, as we see that kizaru is still relativistic and characters (top tier ones) are only scaling to him now. Next to that we have O haki, that completely explains nearly all FTL reactions. It doesnt matter if something is travelling at light speed like pacifista beams if it takes long to fire multiples and you know where they are gonna be aimed at. Odas own databooks is still canon and Light speed is the upper limit that kizaru has, which other characters are encroaching on as the upper limit. Calc stacking bogus things wont get you around that fact.

[@rom9846]

So your goner ignore ichigi and nigi being light speed, also find me this data book statement that says kizaru being lightspeed is one piece speed cap because I've never seen someone ever show me a image of it or tells me what data book the statement came from.

[@bailly1998]

​@@rom9846 An inconsistent frame showcasing for effect doesnt trump character and databook explanations. As i said you can outright search for it and find it litterally search "kizaru lightspeed databook".... Rayleigh states in the newest movie overseen and made in conjuction with ODA! That one piece characters cant even perceive light speed attacks without haki. The movies are only known to be none canon when it comes to its canonical event and timeline, characters and statements are still very much canon, like the daugther of shanks. Aka OP is max light speed. Which actually is really consistent by statements, however manga panels and anime showcasings obviously sometimes visually makes it look weirdly, but still Oda statements > OP fans scaling, that they do in their own head.

[@Yuh_zhimmy]

@@bailly1998ALL events and statements in the movies aren’t canon. Period. Oda helped with some parts of the story, but that was it. You’re just tryna say shit lmao

[@bailly1998]

@@Yuh_zhimmy Nope that is factually inaccurate, the works are made and overseen by oda and is canon, thats why shanks daughter is canon too, or are you saying she isnt, even though she isnt in the manga at all ? The only thing that isnt canon is how the timeline interacts with the story, maybe you should learn abit about your own shown you dumbass lol.

[@BearRox-ym9xm]

​@@bailly1998 so now what luffy is low complex multi? Are you dumb thats saying if deku is Continental Plus could a base luffy compete kizaru short answer No

[@demirozkucuk189]

I think they are not ftl or +ftl. I think the speed of the bullets and light's speed is inaccurate. If they were ftl they wouldn't need a ship. It is so ridicilous to try to calculate their speed.

[@scottiecurrie7927]

How does that have any semblance of sense? Islands are nearly as far apart as our own continents, and One Piece characters usually use their bursts of speed in battle, not to travel for ridiculously far distances. Thats a really dumb way of dismissing all the context you were shown

[@demirozkucuk189]

@@scottiecurrie7927 It doesn't matter if the islands are far apart as our continents. Do you even know the speed of light? They could travel our world multiple times in a SECOND. There no logic in anime

[@scottiecurrie7927]

@@demirozkucuk189 I'm saying that because you're trying to scale One Piece feats to the size of our world. The One Piece world is somewhere around 8 to 120 times the size of our world, so you trying to scale stuff like that is pointless. Plus, there's different types of speed you know, some being movement, combat, and travel speed. There's very little characters in One Piece that can travel at the speed of light because they use their light speed movements during battle in short bursts. Luffy being able to take on characters that can move faster than Advanced Observation is easily FTL combat speed, but he cant move FTL at that time because his combat speed and movement speed aren't as fast as each other. But during the Wano war, Luffy gets fast enough to easily avoid and counter Kaido's Hybrid Thunder Bugua, which is far faster than light. That shows that Luffy can get his movement speed to the speed of his combat speed now. So no, just because Luffy can fight at the speed of light doesnt mean he can go sonic and run around the earth in a minute. That's an entirely different type of speed and he's shown to have nowhere near the stamina to keep up MFTL movement speed for long spreads of travel

[@Ehstynago]

I guess that means Goku should stop driving a car and flying around in a spaceship huh

[@demirozkucuk189]

@@Ehstynago yep. There is no need for him

[@andrewanys5163]

Snake man’s combat speed is faster not traveling speed

[@zackofpersia5086]

This seems to be bullshit, if people in one peice could move at light speed why not just zip across the ocean instead of using ships? It would break all of one pieces world building. your saying pre time skip zoro could blitz 10 tails madara before the time skip even comes into being? i feel like your massively overestimating a lot of things that are happening.

[@Ligmapigga]

because they cant fly no even wano zoro cant blitz madara bc of lack of strength

[@AndresCardenas-l8k]

The guns in one piece didn't camper to modern guns in beral velocity. The one piece characters have other speed feats to use

[@Anticap17]

Huh lmao the technology in op is literally way above our own tech

[@AndresCardenas-l8k]

@@Anticap17 yes and? Not all there technically is more advanced than our technically. The guns in one piece are literally 17th hundreds guns.

[@Anticap17]

@@AndresCardenas-l8k no in a sbs oda explicitly said those guns are more powerful but he gives them those designs to suit one piece aesthetic. Emperor luffy mentions it in the comment section.

[@Anticap17]

@@AndresCardenas-l8k yes all their technology is above ours .

[@AndresCardenas-l8k]

@@Anticap17 they ues sail boutes and ues Mosqets they don't have plans or even phones. there is many other things that are not as advanced as us but they do have some cool robots

[@kaustubh.j1806]

Let's assume i run at the speed of 2km per second and i eat pica pica no mi now my speed is 3,00,002 km per second it's that fucking simple just imagine if sanji who is already ridiculously fast eats pica pica no mi he's not gonna be just light speed that's just the base speed of the fruit

[@zeusthundergod9900]

Do you read Tower of God

[@uzumakikrash6418]

It is stated in the data book that you need proficient OH to even perceive LS movement. So are you saying that they are FTL but with out haki they have below LS reaction speed ? Yea that don’t make sense to me sorry.

[@kamuix9932]

Bro just because he dodged lightining attacks doesnt mean he is that speed enel still has to think if it was the speed of real lightning luffy be gone,Nami and kalifa is also wrong bro u expect nami who has almost no battle experence and battle iq at that time to be able to attacks as fast as enel nooo bro she doing lightning attacks its not as fast as real lightining

[@kidluffy4469]

U sound so goffy Enel is lightning he has observation haki it which is basically precognation either ways for luffy to even react or even think of moving he has to be on par or faster than lightning attacks Nami vs kalifa obviously nami lacks battle exp but he did still outsmart her and won n who said kalifa scales to enel bleuno in terms of speed scales to enel cause he moved faster than luffy who couldnt keep up showin a gap in speed Fiction interprets what the real life version would be like so lightning attacks in any comics, manga, movie , cartoon etc.Are inspired by the reallife counterpart but its not real its fiction if it was real

[@kidluffy4469]

If it was taken literal in everysense of the word then Every single speedster like flash and sonic or dash should died from running due to their brains not processing at faster than light speeds Superman goku hulk and others should not even be able to swing their arms at faster than light speeds cause everybone in theyre body would shatter also the earth they protect would just utterly b destroyed from a punch

[@johnbars9490]

No one in one piece can move at the speed of light except for kizaru some of u idiots dont use the term "light speed" without knowing how crazy fast it is😂

[@firestorm2699]

Brainrot

[@spectralisation]

All these calculations presume, for some reason, that physics and various speeds work the same way in OP as in real life. Which is very obviously, not the case. All things considered, guns are easily the most useless weapons in OP, killing almost no characters throughout the series except at point blank range (episode 1), or a character who's already half-dead (Oden), or fodder (and when it hits - the wounds are not even that serious). That can only be explained by a significantly slower speed and kinetic energy of the bullets. Light speed is probably also much slower in OP, as shown in Kizaru attacks (which would be instantaneous, unavoidable and unblockable, if light speed was the same as IRL); instead, we can see the movement, the light beams traveling through air at WAY SLOWER speed than our real life bullets. It's cartoon speed, cartoon physics, cartoon logic, folks. No need to overthink or try calculating anything.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ All things considered, guns are easily the most useless weapons in OP, killing almost no characters throughout the series except at point blank range (episode 1), or a character who's already half-dead (Oden), or fodder (and when it hits - the wounds are not even that serious). That can only be explained by a significantly slower speed and kinetic energy of the bullets.” Or by even regular humans in the One Piece world being far more durable and faster than real world humans; Nami and Ussop are considered to be normal humans on the Straw Hat crew, but the latter can stay conscious after being hit in the face with a 4 ton bat, and both can dodge lightning, Conis’s father who doesn’t have any superhuman attributes survived a lightning strike from Enel that destroyed the land around him, ancient Shandorans survived being launched with their island to the clouds, Spandam could survive inhuman damage from Franky, Robin, and Ussop in spite of not only not being superhuman but also weaker than the average Marine, etc.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ instead, we can see the movement, the light beams traveling through air at WAY SLOWER speed than our real life bullets” How do you know it’s going “way slower “? The entire point of comics is that they’re able to depict fictional circumstances, even if they’re impossible by real world standards. It’s not that the lights any slower, it’s that the characters are fast enough to move comparable to that light.

[@death1406]

Lol. You just debunked yourself like. Of course not all of physics in OP is the same irl because A. It's fiction B. People can move FTL, and be okay. C. There's no indication that *These Speed ARE different from Real World Speeds.* Meaning People are moving at such speeds like what's calculated.

[@devinmes1868]

If being able to fast movements at a slow speed in anime and manga was a valid argument, then you can use that argument against any anime and manga. DBZ? Despite what is stated and shown, because we can see them, they can't move faster then how fast we can move and see. It's a poor argument.

[@ProjektTaku]

lol no, you debunked yourself.

[@sriharinarayanv2471]

If a person travels at the speed of light he can cross 300,000 km/sec so if kizaru was light itself or he can move at the speed of light then he could have easily killed Luffy who was in front of him rather even when he is far from him as he cannot kill whitebeard that easily because they are not pushovers like luffy(At marienford) ok leave that aside , if luffy was moving at the speed of light in second gear as you he at three to four hops of shave he could have reached ace instead of running the whole arena , then i think atleast three commanders(which is a downgrade to an yonko's crew considering by now itself there are two people who can dodge light speed attacks and attack at the speed of light as he says) in whitebeards crew should be able to move at the speed of light so with that three of them moving at the speed of light can easily cross all the attacks and go to ace in an instant ( leave out sengoku and garp guarding him just reaching would have been enough beacuse they are all running to reach and save him) , So here is my question does the speed of light varies in one piece verse than the real world or from any other verses , so how telling them they can move at the speed of light would be correct when comparing with other verses? That's all i want to ask if you have a valid answers then let me know in the comments because i can also be wrong . I just want to know the truth behind saying them move at the speed of light.

[@kidluffy4469]

Kizaru is light itself in actual fact a luffy also reacted and dodged light prior marineford war kizaru killing luffy is logical but logic would also meant that kizaru can abosolutly face wipe the entire planet with a single kick easily but what would make that enjoyable also kizaru wouldnt easily kill him cause luffy is a tank Luffy travel speed is not light speed its actually hypersonic he ran so fast he ignited the floor on punk hazard But his combat speed and reaction speed obivously is ftl or mftl with gears Kizaru baseline moves at light but truly he probably moves faster cause their alot of ppl currently who are ftl in terms of speed In marineford marco intercepted kizarus light meaning his travel speed obviously is ftl but garp also blitz him. I understand your point being "if hes truly light then X should been there instantly and Y couldnt stopp him" trust me it makes sense but it all wont be there cause of story

[@kidluffy4469]

Speed of light is speed of light in all verses in the real world nothing is faster in fact like i said if we take most real world logic into anime any anime character technically moving faster than light in speeds would either time travel, distrupt space, melt the floor beneath them and face wipe the planet, mess with gravity and more Goku when flying cross snake way was faster than light snake way was way smalle than earth in terms of lenght n it took goku 10 minute or less to fly at max speeds to arrive at the station logically should got there instantly in less than 3 seconds seeing it takes 1 second to fly around earth at light speed 7 times so would u argue goku isnt light speed at that point? Between animes and lightspeed feats its all the same if someone is lightspeed then other lightspeed characters would scale there Being faster than light depends how well how much faster than light

[@DarkflameEmperor]

*watches characters run for minutes to get from point A to point B in the anime* I'd say they're pretty slow. :)

[@shengp4400]

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[@rudeerex6523]

here is my calculations dressrosa luffy was around 600x faster than light as If consider preTS luffy as LS ( he could be faster but let us assume he is only LS as he dodged pacifista's lazers in base ) G2 gives him 10x multiplayer so g2 preTS luffy 10X faster than light and after Timeskip his base was 2X stronger than g2 preTS so he was 20x faster than light in base after timeskip again g2 gives 10 multiplayer so his g2 was 200X faster than light and it is said that g4 is many times stronger than g2 and g3 So let us assume he is 3 times stronger than g2 and g3 so in dressrosa his speed could be 600X LS I low bowled preTS luffy 😂. So as I already said that dressrosa luffy in g4 bounce man was 600Xls , so in Whole cake his base surpassed it after the battle with Charlotte craken and so his new base was 600ls and after g2 it would become 6000ls in g4BM it would be 18000X LS and after g4 Snakeman ( it would be safe to say snakeman was 5X faster than bounceman and ) so in snakeman he was 90000X LS and after the battle with katakuri his base again surpassed snakeman and it becomes his new base so with g2 it would be 9000000X LS so after kuri trainning and rooftop battle it was his new base and now in G2 it would be 90000000X LS and in g4 bounce man it would be 270000000X LS and with snakeman it would be 1350000000X LS and after fighting with kizaru and gorosei it was his new G2(at very least) so in g4 bounce man it would be 4050000000X LS and in snakeman it becomes 20250000000X LS now it would be safe to assume that his g5 gives him atleast 100X multiplayer on g4 snakeman so his speed would be 2025000000000X LS Remember I have low bowled g4 bounce man , preTS luffy and g5 for only giving it 100X multiplayer

[@oumardiakite5005]

luffy isnt light speed the so called lazer he dodged exploded LAZERS DONT EXPLODE THEY ONLY HEAT THINGS UP ITS AN ENERGY BEAM NOT LIGHT SPEED ALSO ENERGY BEAMS ARE NOT LIGHT SPEEEEEEEEEEEED

[@powerscallingfiend]

light has no mass but it has momentum !

[@Zexon14]

BRUH NARUFAN LMAO

[@Asapjae]

My only problem is luffy and them run a lot to travel and take a fuckin month to get places (listening to people running all the time)😂😂😂 but otherwise the math and video is 🔥

[@goharjudge8458]

Most of the stuff stawhat do in arc fall in under a day.

[@navhidahmed481]

The thing is most of op characters don’t have faster than light travel speed rather they have mftl combat speed

[@Anticap17]

​@@navhidahmed481luffy does run on air faster than light since he gave kizaru a heard start on multiple occasions, even his light clones couldn't catch him

[@joba9429]

This just makes one piece sound like trash. Then again typical shonen flaws. Time to ignore such things and just pick and choose the cool things done in the show and the cool figures made to enjoy.

[@arlainecarinugan3703]

The pacifistas lasers were able to be dodged by those weak pirates in sabaody trying to join the straw hats, no way kizaru is light speed

[@apollyon2018]

Nah it's just that ridiculous, anime powerscalling gets pretty bad really quickly

[@MicaW4VE]

If fodder pirates can also dodge light that doesn't mean the beam isn't light it just means dodging light isn't as monumental in the one piece universe and is damn near the standard if u wanna survive the new world

[@kwamejunior6842]

Kizaru is literally made of light. Come on man

[@nowwhat6716]

On god , op fans are so dumb. Kuma takes like more than three seconds to charge and fire that attack which makes him very predictable even without haki. About kuma shock wave attack, when he throws his wave, he doesn't throw it in light speed but when that wave palm manage to hit U it creates shockwave at light speed

[@Habesh778]

Just before that scene the pacifista shoots at luffy while he is facing away hidden in a crowd wearing a hood and carrying a huge backpack and STILL manages to dodge, so your first point is invalid. Your second point is true tho.

[@nowwhat6716]

@@Habesh778 so ur point is he dodge that attack without looking 😑. U making no sense

[@Habesh778]

@nowwhat6716 u have to watch the full scene, at first he dodge without looking. Then he jump on the wall and dodged more while looking.

[@gurjindersingh3843]

I hate the usage of the term "light speed" in fiction because nothing can move faster than light. If something is faster than light in the fictional world, it needs to be established, not assumed. In other words the rules of science in the world are not established. If Zoro is faster than light, he should dodge Kizaru's attacks and we know he can't do that.

[@Asapjae]

And they run a lot all the time like chasing robin in the cp9 arc but luffy running full speed in the tunnel didn’t catch up to a walking lucci until he stopped and waited

[@ProjektTaku]

so what?

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ If Zoro is faster than light, he should dodge Kizaru's attacks and we know he can't do that.” No we don’t know that? The only time Kizaru and Zoro have interacted was at Saobody where Kizaru sneak attacked a tired Zoro, not giving the latter any chance of dodging. Zoro up to this point could dodge Kuma’s pad cannons and his mouth laser, there’s no reason to assume that he’s slower than light.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@Asapjae that's travel speed, not combat speed.

[@Wenyfile]

We have to assume kizaru isn't actually moving at the speed of light, or assume the speed of light in one piece is super slow. If you actually do some math on kizaru, light speed doesn't make any sense. Quick example: when marco kicked kizaru he turned to light and crashed into a wall and it made an impact. Math might be slightly wrong but kizarus mass with lightspeed has about 28 megaton of energy, or about 4000 Hiroshima nukes at the same time. Now if assume he was pure light the whole time when he crashed into the wall it shouldn't have made an impact at all. Cause light has no mass, it would be like shining a flashlight on the wall. If we assume he did have mass as the impact shows the red line should've blown up. Kizaru isn't moving at the speed of light. Maybe at one piece super-slow speed of light.

[@stickshinobi733]

Dont apply real-life physics to fictional stories

[@noww446]

@@stickshinobi733 says the person that's literally doing the same thing 🤦‍♂

[@ej_impact9709]

light doesn't have any mass so how can it make things explode 💀

[@lolbam4142]

its an attack imbued with haki bro 💀

[@umhearts]

super duper lowball but decent ig

[@NukeNuke1]

Agreed