｢Stellaris｣ Admin Cap and Empire Sprawl - In a Nutshell [8/10]

[@theemeraldfox631]

4% isn’t always the case though. As your penalty increases, the effect of a single bureaucrat decreases. Reducing a 4% penalty to 0% increases effective research speed (ERS) by 4%, but reducing a 104% penalty to 100% only increases ERS by 2%. In this case the magic number of scientists would be 50. This also fails to factor in that there are other sources of research than scientist jobs. Things like research stations and other jobs like science directors. This reduces the impact of adding new scientists by a potentially significant margin.

[@Stefan_Anon]

As I said in the vid, if you sit down with a calculator and check an empire's specific situation you would be able to come up with a more efficient way of carrying on with bureaucrats. The 25 is a general rule of thumb that eliminates many variables and makes it easier to determine (and explain) what you should be doing - at the point where you are nearing 25 scientists, base research and space research do factor in - maybe you would want to start employing bureaucrats by 23 or 24 scientists, but it is close enough to 25 to where it is functional. There are edge cases where you produce a load of science from space due to an amazing spawn, or when you are at a 100% penalty from admin cap - except in that case you would have to be 250 over your admin cap, an edge case by itself since by that point you would likely be employing way more than 25 scientists. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say 20 scientists for organics, 50 for hives, and for machines you would never want to go over admin cap anyways.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

@@Stefan_Anon curious about the numbers myself. You have any of that in an online sheet you'd be willing to share?

[@liammeaden714]

The best cheese strat is to have a ridiculous amount of bureaucrat and researcher job and keep switching specialists between the two. Admin cap drops instantly so you only need to occasionally swap to bureaucrats.

[@gressorialNanites]

Yes, but once you've reduced the penalty to 100%, you'll see that you needed bureaucrats earlier. So you convert some science to bureaucracy. Now the penalty goes down, the magic number is even lower, so you convert even more. In the end, you'll end up with either 25 scientists or no penalty.

[@stoopidapples1596]

@@liammeaden714 Don't unused buildings still have upkeep though? It can be expensive on your economy if done that way.

[@Alorand]

"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy..."

[@TheCarloCarlone]

That is the most burocratic affirmation ever

[@mal35m]

Just like in real life right now.

[@falconelsu9798]

Another Civ fan I see. I loved that they got Leonard Nimoy to read them.

[@R3GARnator]

Of course in real life, it's usually a problem of waaaay too few bureaucrats. For instance, why it takes so long for court cases to see court in the U.S.

[@1Maklak]

Since both pops (and bureaucrats are pops) and the places to keep them (planets, districts) increase empire sprawl and to support a bureaucrat you also need things like food and civilian goods and the pops and districts to make them, then yes, bureaucrats create empire sprawl themselves, just as logistic support for an army need supplies themselves.

[@Destragond]

This really does describe Stellaris in a nutshell. Choosing between increasing your percentages by a percentage of the percentage or reducing the percentage penalty of your percentages by a percentage.

[@mustafapc19]

That was hauntingly accurate :D

[@Canessa1298]

Paradox at its finest

[@Terra-Antares]

*Video tells me to ignore admin cap* Me: *Dedicates 3 worlds to bureaucracy*

[@seanfinch7856]

Is that REALLY enough bureaucracy tho?

[@THEORIGINALFrostByte]

@@seanfinch7856 RED TAPE EMPIRE INTENSIFIES

[@seanfinch7856]

@@THEORIGINALFrostByte EVERY WORLD FULL OF BUREAUCRACY OR NO WORLDS AT ALL

[@alexrowe7063]

@@seanfinch7856 not even close

[@seanfinch7856]

@@alexrowe7063 TURN THE ENEMY PLANETS INTO BUREAUCRATIC PLANETS ALL PLANETS MUST BE BUREAUCRATIC!

[@CaptainCorneliusArgo]

Stefan: "don't want you guys to be pulling out a calculator when you're playing a freaking game" Me: Laughs in Factorio

[@gressorialNanites]

In fact, Factorio REALLY needs an in-game notebook and calculator. Only that and EVE... :)

[@bradleymoore2797]

Arumba wants your location.

[@jaredfieseler6654]

Me and my friend spent like 6 hours making a spreadsheet for our seablock world and then it all got replaced like 10 hours later in game time

[@dontyoudare61]

@@gressorialNanites if you need a notebook and calculator in eve, that means you just need to join a higher level alliance and have them tell you what the current money making strat is

[@gressorialNanites]

@@dontyoudare61 I never liked alliance play. Too much of a commitment for me.

[@sugoistalin7809]

A friend of mine was ignoring admin cap in a game, like usual and I pointed out how it's been changed, so he just build a habitat and filled it wtih buerocrats. Never hated him more than in that moment.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

That's.. kindof beautiful in it's own way

To be honest, that is what you should do at the point your admin cap becomes too high. I mean, there is no point in building beaurocrats early on, so might as well make one big beaurocratic nightmare planet. There is only paperwork.

[@Algormortis9]

@ a bunch of beaurocrats holed away on an ice planet, with only the occasional shipment of new paperwork and spam coming in. A true hellscape

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Welcome to the *Central Bueroraccy*

[@Reddotzebra]

@ I just called it Trantor Secundus

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

"You should always place your bureaucrats on the lowest habitability worlds" - YES

[@furinick]

Poor office workers, the unsung heroes of my empire, when we finish commiting mass removal of undesireable species I'm gonna make their planets actually habitable

[@rockspoon6528]

Me, who terraforms everything into a freaking Gaia planet: What is habitability?

[@furinick]

@@rockspoon6528 the biggest flex is having all your planets be gaia worlds in all vanilla at least

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

@@furinick If you have a jar of pickled Baol you can get twice as much gaia per unit time at no extra cost.

[@Razgriz032]

@@furinick in late game, where you push the galactic community to commit sudoku on habitability, gaia/ecumonopolis/ring world outclass whole galaxy because 100% habitability without gen modification

[@Snoogen11]

"It's not worth employing bureaucrats, just for bureaucrats' sake." *THE ADMINISTRATUM WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

"Playing a game with a calculator is not as fun" Me, a former EVE Online player: *Speak for yourself* One additional thing though, Administrative Offices can be built with a Modified Ship-Shelter while Research Labs require a bona-fide capital building. if your only planets that will gain building slots in the foreseeable future are fresh colonies, those buildings might be the only way to increase research speed.

[@anonymas825]

Usually new colonies have this build order for me. Colony, couple of industry things like minerals, credits or food, robot building at 5 pops. City district. Industry buildings as needed until pops 10, then capital upgrade or Teir 1 producers (allows, consumer goods, etc as needed) and then tier 2 producers. Dependent entirely on what my empire needs

[@thedoruk6324]

Empire Sprawl - The literally *only* condition that ever gets close to nerfing exxagratedly *OP* Artificial Intelligence

[@Regunes]

And still failed. I made the mistake of underestimating them once and I almost got bullied

[@samueleveleigh2767]

And now their unplayable now that they have no amenities building

[@olegoleg258]

Exept they still don't need, in fact, they got buffed In the past you would play tall untill you get the administrative efficiency Once it starts rolling in you've already won, as there is no need for food, no need for longer lifespans(they're immortal anyways) and no need for army(obviously) So you go from you empire that just tried to get more admin cap trough even ascension perks and civics to a hyperexpanding empire that only now starts to follow it's determined exterminator roots

[@TheRewasder97]

@@samueleveleigh2767 having no amenities building just means that you have to pay more atention, be sure to build nexus districts or even those hausing ones, or resouce silos, they give maintenance drones too. You also need to rush prosperity asap, as it gives you a maintenance drone per 20 pops, which is huge taking everything into account. The nerf there is that you won't be able to do full mineral/energy districts that easily

[@teachies902]

bio are stronger, youre just bad at micro

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

BTW Megacorps can be THE SENATE by building that +10% diplomatic power to economy on every planet AI allows them to.

[@TheCarloCarlone]

Try a materialistic megacorp in a shattered ring, and try to do a trade union asap Between the commercial segment and the research segment you'll be unstoppable I was building my 5th ring world when obliterating the end game crisis

[@MooShaka89]

It's a space UN not a senate.

[@TheCarloCarlone]

@@MooShaka89 yes, but it is a star wars reference.

[@Hardolaf]

Also, +25% immigration pull when you're building exclusively Ring Worlds as a Megacorp when combined with a trade league with forced immigration treaties.

[@R3GARnator]

Europa Universalid IV has an event where Bureaucrats launch a coup and take over your country.

[@destrucktoid7569]

I remember the days when after half an hour there would be at most 10 views, now however 39 views after 2 minutes... Praise the Birb for she protects. Also another good guide as per usual!

[@bibby659]

Cant wait till this is added to the console version, my friend just always holds up in the smallest possible cluster and doesn't typically expand, he sits in a small area and slowly consumes other empires by making them vassels.

[@sinsforeal]

*happy synapse drone noises*

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

happy simple drone noises!

[@Hrafnskald]

Another great video, thanks for continuing this series. It really helps to have up to date info, with all the massive changes. One minor point regarding Hive Minds: they gain Unity from the same pops that generate Admin Cap. While I agree that Unity is not overpowered like many techs, there are a few great traditions for Hive Minds (like the "all your planets get a free extra building" one). Also, Synpase Drones, for Hive Minds at least, appear to generate a percentage modifier to the output of other drones, much like Slave-errr, "Pampered Bio-Trophies" do for Sims Play-errr, "Rogue Servitors" :)

[@urstaxfetish1206]

Stefan: Administrators only produce admin cap so they are useless don't build extra and they cost consumer goods. Me: laughs in indentured slaves with byzantine bureaucracy

[@Khunvyel]

*In a nutshell: don't go above admin cap if you can avoid it. Build an admin building when there is demand, but make sure you have 1 per colony at some point.* (unless you specialize heavily) There might come a point in the game, depending on the size of map you play, where you want to focus a system with sector specific governor 10% admin bonus to do nothing but churn out admin buildings, and specialize the colony for bureaucracy. To do so, understand that your total maxpopulation on any given planet is housing x 1.5 which will give you a decision which planets to go for with full admins. 1 upgraded admin building gives you 5 jobs, so that's where you start your math. Increased admin capacity is allowing you to either push more edicts than you normally could, or take down admin buildings from other planets for something more useful. Specializing always gives you more benefits the moment you actually have enough colonies to have specializations to be worthwhile. Usually, it's totally enough to have one admin building per colony, and since everything grows along nicely you only need to plant it down when you actually need it. But in the end you might end up with a colony only for bureaucrats if you have several huge planets that you put only commercial districts on, so they have quite the large population chunk that needs to be offset by an admin world. Why you NEVER want to be above admin cap in later stages is due to the severe penalties you receive on your research and it also takes longer for you to get the traditions done. Campaign cost (in the edict window) hurts not much if you're small, but campaign cost also increases with total empire sprawl size. It's totally correct and valid to nudge down bureaucrats in favor for scientists early on and it's very good advice. Just to avoid micromanaging, you'll just plop down research building first and only build the 1 admin building per colony once you actually need it. That means: don't focus on the x scientists for normal empires. Because usually every colony you populate, you will have a research and admin building anyway. It's only when you specialize and restructure is when you have to pay attention to how many admin buildings have to be rebuilt elswhere.

[@MrBudPuphin]

Dude, thanks for making these. I got this game a week ago and of course have been binging tutorials. These vids are the most direct and concise I've found so far. Kudos to you sir!

[@circlestrafe8355]

Awesome! I loved the comment about not pulling out a calculator during a game! My sentiments exactly!

[@akaikiseki9346]

Stefan... Stefan~ We know you want to give us that little extra secret ;) Something to do with that crime level and -42 housing on your Capital Planet ? Hm~ ?

[@zijkhal8356]

I think some other guys touched on the secret pretty well: you only need to employ the burocrats when selecting traditions, or a research is getting near completion, thus getting the benefit of being under admin cap for both research and unity, while having those pops free to work other jobs most of the time

[@basilharpham9372]

is the secret increasing admin jobs when selecting traditions in the early game when over the cap?

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Definitely a possibility, I can see that being viewed as exploit-y.

[@Regunes]

It is, but you're only scratching the surface here

[@builder1117]

I'm fairly sure it's the +1 stab and 1%+ menial drone output per synapse drone decision. Since he was hovering over 35 synapse drones while talking about it.

[@zijkhal8356]

@@Regunes wait it works with partially completed research as well? :D

[@galffygergojozsef7816]

well,idk that does kind-of sond like an exploit, BUT you just wasted money on buildongs (and wasted building slots) for cheaper trads so idk

[@ben5056]

For hive mind each synapse drone can increase menial labor by 1% and stability by 2 with the incorporate artifact relays planetary edict. So with enough of them you can forgo housing

[@williamryder781]

in my games, I would drop ~3 admin buidings on my homeworld as the game progressed, while trying to tech up to habitats to make Admin station in space is slow going. Now that I'm thinking about it. I think if you come across a really crappy habitable world (like 11 sectors, no good resources) it might be be useful to plop down an urban world there, build city districts and level 1 Comercial Zones. It nets you some trade value over the course of the game, but also as you need admin cap you can swap out a commercial zone for the administrative office. Granted this assumes you dont have a bunch of the DLC like me.

[@firedashreddragon9882]

Call the spiffing Brit

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

I would love to have Apec, Spiffing Brit and Steffan to have a exploit collab.

[@firedashreddragon9882]

@@principleshipcoleoid8095 what About all of them make a multiplayer game and all of them fanatic purifiers and one fanatic pacifist challenge

[@Regunes]

Admin cap, or the thing I foreshadowed to be utterly irrelevant, bureaucracy is dead and now the xeno have cooontrol. But the secret shall remain, the devorer of knoweldge wills it!

[@basileusbasil4041]

ahhhhh shit I've been building too many admin offices. And not nearly enough researchers.

[@j.vinton4039]

Ever since I started ignoring Admin Cap on console, I’ve been having much more fun. Long as I have one or two dedicated Tech worlds, I can offset the penalties. I don’t even take the admin cap ascension perk. Highest I’ve gone was like 400 over. But I also encompassed half the galaxy by that point.

[@curtisdecoste9345]

Good tips, I try to maximize my bureaucracy on one planet as well. Make it a “bureaucratic centre” designation and have multiple admin complexes as the game progresses. That way you aren’t needing one as the first building every time you expand.

[@RobBCactive]

Actually there are times to pre-emptively build admin in bureaucracy centres: to add an edict where 25% sprawl penalty may cause an admin cap which doubles costs. Similarly when about to take out a fallen empire or some other types, they won't have enough bureaucracy to take over, so building a capacity margin avoids crippling research or desperately panic building bureaus on every colony with a spare slot.

[@Stefan_Anon]

Yeah, I found that building extra admin cap in order to use more edicts is quite worthwhile.

[@GuerillaBunny]

I have to say, in this series, this is my favorite video, because it's mainly just about numbers and covers pertinent variables (ie. empire type). Most of the other vids seem to apply to very specific strats and empires, and gloss over a lot. So while I also enjoy synth ascension playstyle, I wonder how useful they might be for someone playing a different type of empire.

[@benhadaway3322]

Perfect timing. Was just trying to fix my sprawl

[@Mastervitro]

Now we just need more ways to generate Influence!

[@ergomate9092]

Now THIS is some high-quality advice! Curse you for keeping your secrets though.

[@seamuspink9098]

-I don't want you guys to do maths when playing a game EVE Online players: No, I don't think I will

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Handy to know, as I placed too much worry on this and it’s good to know it’s not a big deal. Especially as my next multiplayer game with friends will be as a hive mind

[@jaspervanheycop9722]

To put it even easier, with a regular empire make 1/25 planets into bureaucrat centers (or just one when you have less planets than that by the midgame), or 1/[numbers stated in video] for specials. That even leaves margin as you specialise some planets to forge/industry worlds.

[@ianmoseley9910]

Jasper van Heycop Lucky if you can finf 10 planets by midgame

[@iirdna_onecilva]

Thank you for a great job you have done! Your calculations clarified admin cap mechanics, now it`s a bit easier to decide what end when to do about bureaucracy

[@tophatowl6724]

6:21 I wonder why people are intimidated by this game. Wtf even is going on on screen xD

[@liikerirl8971]

Thanks for all these helpful videos! Didn't even know I could build more districts and was running in quite a lot of trouble because of that xD Waiting on that Planet specialization video!

[@benlex5672]

Is it just me, or did Byzantine got a lot more powerful than ever?

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Hiveminds will make you have a lot of admin cap IF you rush traditions for some bizzare reasons. BTW, that +1 unity might make beurocrats be a little bit better. Don't know how good it is.

[@Stefan_Anon]

I was considering mentioning it, but the civic is borderline worthless so I doubt anyone would be playing with it.

[@thetrulschannel]

@@Stefan_Anon it lets you roleplay as the Byzantines, it is essentially required, not worthless

[@MrOphiel]

thank you so much for the vid. Ever since the release of this system the game got so confusing that i uninstalled it. Now with federations, i want to give it another go...and your vids are helping :D

[@karniggl4539]

The thing is that there is no reason to have a large empire :) Because the AI is so bad you can easily beat everyone with about 5 large Planets, even with the hardest settings (The military ai seems to be better now though)

[@Probigask]

Want to note empire sprawl is no longer now Unity (the resource) has changed and now bureaucrats produce this resource; the effects of empire sprawl can no longer be negated so you just have to out produce (like in anno 1800 with royal taxes); but unity is used to form traditions which requires more correlating with empire sprawl. Certain technologies and ascension perks can minimize the effect empire sprawl has by limiting it. (This is my understanding of it) and I really like this change as you can focus on unity and still gain buffs through that way.

[@sethierot7067]

Thank you, this Guide helped alot. Also all the bits of Fun like the Xenophobia or the one TTS Thumbnail kept me entertained :P

[@ZephanyZephZeph]

This is a really frustrating update as a tall player. While balancing the types of empires was a good thing, they didn't have to gut tall as a playstyle, something almost all 4x share. I really hope a balance patch to empire sprawl or a new mechanic benefiting tall players comes soon because jfc I've about had it with the way I handle things being fucked over this month.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Kinda agree. It's a huge shame

[@BozofOz]

I guess the real problem is that a large portion of the vocal player base on the paradox forums are MP min/max players who are disgruntled by the balance disparity between empire types and paradox wants to pander to them whilst (perhaps unwittingly) neglecting the higher percent of casual gamers who enjoy playing tall in a single player game. They have more diplomatic weight 😋

[@Archlort]

One thing that is not considered here is that scientists and unity workers require more consumer goods. You always need to support them with more artisans. So it's much more complicated than the simple increase of science/unity. Also the efficiency/availability of building slots should be considered. In my experience it's harder in the early game to produce enough consumer goods. Tldr if you struggle with consumer goods/minerals admistrators can fulfill the same job while being easier to maintain. Also: still a great video.

[@StarBoundFables]

Awesome info, thanks for sharing, Stefan! 😄🌌🙏🏽

[@1Animeculture]

They could fix this by making a Resolution that significantly increases sprawl from number of systems and another opposit one that does it with number of pops. Of a resolution gets passed that increases sprawl from systems alot then wide empires will run into an issue of having to set up more beurocrat worlds wich will stall them quite abit.

[@silveredgamer6893]

So if I understand this correctly what you're saying is I should trade out my Center for a science building asap when game starts

[@EnderGraff1]

@Stefan Anon Is this still the case now in 3.0? I'm not sure if you discussed this in your live stream.

[@Stefan_Anon]

Yep, still the case

[@1Maklak]

Huh, I was building way too many cities and didn't specialize my planets enough. I don't know if it's still the case, but there were buildings increasing the production of a particular resource, for example power grid gave 15% or 25% extra energy to technician jobs. Therefore it is worth it to look at available districts and if a planet has 9 mineral districts, but only 3-4 energy and food, consider specializing it as a mine and building mining districts to capacity and a mineral extractor building. The downside of specialization is that loosing a single planet can cripple a civilization in some way, while loosing one of a few less efficient all-rounder colonies won't. Another one of my mistakes was building "spare" districts and not just enough for my pops growth in 5 years, which spread among multiple planets increased my sprawl by quite a bit. I would keep the starting planet at at least 40 pops, but eventually you get enough colonies to resettle new planets to 10 pops shortly after colonizing and having enough housing. The downside is, some planets will pretty much permanently stay at 10 pops by producing colonists to resettle.

[@Letham316]

So I learned 2 things. 1) Not having to worry about going slightly over the empire sprawl cap, and 2) I found a use for those crappy low habitability planets. :P

[@1ShadowFlame]

I think i can guess tip nr 4, unemploy bureaucrats in the when you have spare jobs and empire sprawl. good early game when you have start with way more admin cap than sprawl

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

That's really just the logical follow-up

[@lambdatan5605]

"It's more efficient sure, but not as fun." And who said efficiency isn't fun?

[@emersonharris142]

One thing you might want to keep in mind... a bureaucrat uses 1 amenities and a scientist uses 2. I feel that he didn't address this cost delta effectively.

[@hrodebertcoad9848]

Amenities are also an added complexity though because your empire type will determine how easily you produce them

[@SUS_USU]

I feel inlove playing a authrotian technocracy and void borne origins the tech boost is very huge.

[@MofuggerX]

Going back through these since us console plebs are jumping to 2.6.3 in less than two weeks...

[@chaincat33]

Playing an aggressive, expansionist spiritualist empire, I find unity production is a lot more valuable than tech production. Unity translates to psionics, psionics translates the the shroud, the shroud translates to a 13k doomship knocking on your door by year 50 if not earlier. Unity also means megastructures, though for that you need to focus down engineering pretty hard.

[@gilthreyblaunce]

my guess for the secret is that since the beaurocratic synapse drones create amenities it is able to provide more of a bonus than adding housing thus allowing you to kill two birds with one stone and making you OP in the process

[@Regunes]

Nope

[@OrinNekomata]

With the Hive mind demonstration Stefan just wanted to showcase all the pop-up icons the game has to offer.

[@kvlt1349]

The secret is employing bureaucrats for one month once you already have the base tech cost done, to drop the cost of the tech down to its base cost. The tech will complete, and then you can send the bureaucrats back to being whatever they were beforehand.

[@Pyrohawk]

In late game by the time you finish manually employing your 500 bureaucrats your tech will just finish naturally x_x

[@kvlt1349]

Shift-click

[@MattMGK]

@@kvlt1349 oh. my. god.

[@Pyrohawk]

@@kvlt1349 does that assign that across your entire empire?

[@kvlt1349]

No, but you should focus your planets to maximize efficiency. Late game, you should refactor all your planets so that they all have only one or two jobs. That way, the +x% to job buildings give maximum benefit for minimum wasted building slots / jobs. So if you have only one or two planets that even contain bureaucrat jobs, it takes only a few seconds to fill them all, set the worlds to be bureaucratic worlds, let the month tick, and reset everything back to how it was.

[@raymacz1922]

Detailed tutorial & amazing summary... excellent tutorial overall! new player here. Thanks

[@IxGxNxI]

Let me guess the secret tip - employ bureaucrats to reduce sprawl before you end research tech/finish tradition (do the math to find out exactly when). The reduced sprawl will cut down the costs, allowing you to finish it. Once you finish, unemploy them and wait for another tech/tradition to be almost finished.

[@DBT1007]

Actually... Bureaucracy is kinda dumb in this game. I mean.. Our race mastered the spaceflight and can be able to research quantum technology in near future right??? Soo that means our species' Internet is also already advanced. More advanced that the real life's human Internet. That means our species in game DONT NEED TO DO SOME PAPERWORK ANYMORE. ALL CERTIFICATES AND IDENTITY DATA THINGY ALL ON CENTRALIZED NETWORK. And we also don't need to use ID card for each citizens. We just can use some chip that planted inside our hand and the bureaucrat or some security guard can just scan our hand and they can get all of our information. Our birthdate, our address, age, gender, and even criminal records. This game has futuristic concept but still apply some traditional aspects... -_- The developer or the director of this game seems like forget that human or sapient being can also have Internet technology. And we also can get fun from games and watching online video like.. from platform like KZbin. No need to make holoteathers -_-. Who cares about holoteathers in future tho? In future we all got advanced console game OR ADVANCED PC. No need to going outside to search for amenities or entertainment. Teather are renaissance people's entertainment. Future people fulfill all their needs in their room. Dumb director of this game.. Edit: so much typo because the autocorrect thingy. I need to fix these thing. And probably there are still some typo that I missed

[@owlthemolfar4690]

Thank you for the video. So I guess right then choose Unruly trait ) BTW, I other traits I take was +Unity +Sciense +Minerals (playing as the Lithoids) and sedentary (I do not bother with migration and resettlement - to much micro management for me... and I do not like force pop control, just my quirk ;) )

[@faboFromNomads]

Stefan, these videos are good. Really good. I thought I knew the game. Turns out I know the game. : D Feels good...

[@fyr3st0rm65]

"I don't want you pulling out a calculator and doing math while you're playing a frickin' game." This guy... this guy gets it. Actually subbed.

[@hisokamorow1816]

I fixed my admin problem in my current game by (accidentally) conquering a bunch of bureaucratic planets from the AI.

[@tremorwolfgang8403]

When playing hiveminds you really need to micromange your synapse drones (or completely disable them) because they hurt your economy early game so hard and you gain absolutely nothing from them. Earlygame Hivemind is more microheavy than any other start I've played so far.

[@j.vinton4039]

At this point in my game I view admin cap as sort of a suggestion. If I truly stayed within my Admin cap, my empire would cease to be as productive and as fierce. Considering the highest I’ve been able to get my Admin cap even with repeatable tech has been 160. Nah, that shit is a suggestion that usually I never follow. The benefits more than outweigh the penalties

[@nacreses3544]

Thumbnail was so clear that I didn't watch the video, and gave a thumbsup before leaving

[@elenna_alexia]

I feel bureaucracy should get less efficient as you have to build more and more of it, rather than more efficient. I do hope they make some more balance changes to this in the future because I like playing tall empires and it seems that's less viable than ever now.

[@DavidAdenuga]

What would you say the optimal amount of unity producers per bureaucrat is? In a lot of my wide play through I don’t feel that I make enough unity.

[@alexlloyd5354]

Stefan. First this admin cap change did not nerf tall empires to being just "more defensible" In stellaris there is one limit to expansion. Influence. The main difference between wide and tall is how they sue this. Tall empires use it to build habitats while wide use it to claim and conquer. The point of the change was to buff building wide to allow for tech heavy wide empires. Tall empires are still very powerful even after the change.

[@tomb7088]

You must pay attention to Empire sprawl, you must do almost anything you can to reduce it. But do not let it rule you.

[@hectorlazcano3647]

only burocrat pops challenge

[@Comicsluvr]

The information was clear and reasonably concise for being such a complex topic so praise for that. However, you really need to slow down just a bit as speaking too fast can make some words difficult to interpret.

[@hunttheog969]

Can we please talk about the fact that the totally mugged up to force robots into a tall playstyle as intended by the designer?

[@scxizm]

Will you make a guide covering how to make a playable multiplayer lobby? I always suffer dsync in mine

[@Stefan_Anon]

I can actually do that. For now here are some pointers: -Start the game on slowest, keep it there for a min -DO NOT let anyone click buttons while the game is paused. This is the primary cause of desync. -Those who join in after everyone else will have a very high chance of desync. Accept everyone into the game at once. I haven't had a single random desync since I started applying these rules to my Discord weekend multi games.

[@Bhargos]

@Stefan Anon: Just started out playing, so I hope this video helps me. Shouldn't the number of bureaucrats be related to my amount of sprawl rather than the number of researchers? When should I start caring about sprawl? Should I limit my sprawl to a specific amount and the rely on research? What other ways are there to deal with it anyways?

[@GrizzlyGranslo]

If you want to play like IRL then 5 bureacrat for each scientist...

[@gary0044187]

ahh yes, bureaucratic hell worlds, what horrific dream did the stellaris devs wake us up in... so what I am getting from this, Stefan is to dump all your mid level bureaucrats on tomb worlds

[@H-A-S_ever]

you are saying that I should make bureaucrats on *25* scientists pop, are the normal pops also included in those scientist pops? or the normal pops are excluded from the *25* pops number.

[@rvanzo925]

I try to keep it under control.

[@smiffulon8246]

I had a great game going where I completely ignored the admin cap before the update and I tried to continue and it was completely unsaveable. And absolute travesty

[@Reddotzebra]

How does Hive minds factor into this though? The first thing I noticed when trying out a hive mind for the first time with the new expansion installed was that their admin cap producing buildings also produce amenities (in addition to unity and admin cap) and since I needed amenities I added one of the hive nodes (or whatever they are called, the spire like buildings that only hivers get) to each of my worlds that had negative amenities. The only reason I did this was that through extensive genetic manipulation I had at that point put the "Fertile" and "Erudite" traits on every single drone and at some point my worlds started a slow death spiral into deviancy, and since you cautioned against building precinct buildings I naturally thought the same applied to hunter-killer drones. That particular save is now probably hard to save because what next happened after I'd stabilized that situation was that the neighboring empire begged me to take them on as a vassal because the mean fanatic purifiers next door was bullying them, and I might have glassed some planets, eaten some pops and then tried to integrate the homeworld of said purifiers into the hive mind...

[@justanerdiguess4910]

No no, Hives and Machine empires *definitely* still need Hunter-Killer Drones. Organics get things like reduced Crime from happiness and the Crime Lord Deal, Hives and Machines get zilch. You need to control your Deviancy as either of those two.

[@AugustVonpetersborg]

but in the early game I get the majority of my research from stations, unless I'm running technocracy

[@Drachenfurie]

Very informative video. For an experienced player, this is the best video so far. I presume the "exploity" tip has to do with Synapse Drones and maybe also Coordinators from Machine empires due to their effects with relics? Since 2.6 you can build and endless amount of Synapse Drones, 50 would already be enough to create 100 stability on a planet by using the Relic decision. I haven't tried it myself, but from watching the video it seems you can go deep into negative Housing and still grow pops? Or just resettle tons of pops onto the planet and have stability outweight the penalties from negative Housing? So... one planet Challenge is now a thing for Hiveminds aswell?

[@LoicJ29]

Which relic???

[@hrodebertcoad9848]

@@LoicJ29 It's a planetary decision using minor relics

[@carved6749]

Thats cool and all but htf do I assign or build bureaucrat buildings?

[@indiaflo]

Saying it's a secret while you over your mouse on the Hive Mind Synapse Drone... *Stares at his Devouring Swarm.* If i make my bugs looks cute and not purge birbs will you tell me ? All joke aside, what's with that high level of deviancy ? I mean, i always built a lot of Sentinel Post to prevent it but is it useless ? I did the ring world start and with 225 pops i needed 4 Sentinel post to make sure it stays at 0. Is it bad ?

[@michaelpezet7606]

Can you do a planet management tutorial? Like how to specialise them for a good economy?

[@DoesRocksFloat]

Yo, it’s been a year since this video, does tip #4 still apply that warrants you to keep it a secret or is it patched? cuz as a new player teasing a tip like that just makes me feel like im missing something crucial and in hindsight it’s a dick move. Im trying to learn the game here, not get cock teased.

[@stewartgames6697]

Does crime rate effect bureaucrats? I dream of a prison planet dedicated to endless paper filing labor sentences for the criminal population.

[@nebulaswirl]

Hey Stefan how do you deal with desync in multiplayer games? I noticed that you were playing in a large multiplayer game on stream yet had no issues? How do you deal with it?

[@EvitoCruor]

Mouse over the game date when it seems to get stuck or slows down, that's when there are problems, normally it'll just freeze the game until the desynced player catches up. The player having problems will have their name flashing yellow or red. Reckon that player ought to fix his home networking which is by far most likely culprit.

[@hrodebertcoad9848]

Having the best player host, everyone joining at the same time, everyone having decent hardware, and everyone gaming good connection. The four most important factors for sync.

[@Jonnecy]

:O what about hive minded machine races in regard to scientists and beaurocrats ?

[@Kajinking]

Could running tall vs wide still be viable(if not optimal)? I'm just getting back into the game and want to play around with an empire with small, easily defend-able territory.

[@Stefan_Anon]

It's viable, but you put yourself at a significant disadvantage. You can still play more efficiently than AI, but against the same level of skill (let's say in an mp) you would lose 9 times out of 10.

[@sugoistalin7809]

Basically it's - single player: doesn't matter much since, while the ai have gotten better they're still trash, and a literal child can beat them so do whatever you feel like. MP: T H I C C E M P I R E

[@Uwawa96]

I say , start as Void-Born. That way you can keep your small ammount of Terretory but still expand via Habitats.

[@mehmetakharman2253]

So is the magic number of 25 or 60 regarding the amount of researchers on one planet or in total in all of your empire?

[@Bradley_UA]

In total,.obviously

[@juliankirby9880]

So, the new admin building added in federations. Would you consider them pretty good? Because I literally build one and it covers a whole lot of sprawl and speeds up my early game tech advancement by a lot keeping myself under sprawl limit. I’ve never done that before

[@plaaosert]

what about using edicts over the cap? would it ever be worth it to increase admin capacity to balance off with that