Step-by-Step KISS Spirit Rebreather Assembly

Woody is a KISS Spirit Rebreather Instructor under PADI and IANTD, and he walks through the step by step detailed process we must follow to assemble and test the unit before a dive. He also explains at the end the basic functionality of how this rebreather works. This one is for educational purposes but may also help non rebreather divers understand some of our video terminology better. Hopefully this will serve as a useful learning tool.
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[@93DracoX]

As an engineer and non-diver I find this fascinating. You guys are basically my new favorite KZbin channel, keep up the great work!!

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Engineer too, here. Did you notice his oxygen sensor checks, are exactly the same as any instrumentation calibration & linearity check. I've done that procedure countless number of times, in the lab. I'm also an open water diver, but restrict myself to open circuit. A lot less complicated gear. Scariest thing underwater, is when I here prop screws. Other humans, in particular, a drunk boater, is one of the most dangerous things in the water !

[@dgebersole]

Great job, Woody!!! You must have had an OUTSTANDING rebreather instructor!!! :)

[@DIVETALK]

Probably as good as my Trimix instructor!

[@DIVETALK]

You were the best instructor I could have ever hoped for!

[@rustdiving]

Douglas Ebersole … this assembly check list available for the SW? Would love one pls.

[@georgenaylor2593]

I have never dived or even thought of diving yet I just spent 45 minutes watching the construction of a rebreather system….thanks guys great vid

[@empiripiri]

20-ish years ago I went into diving with the explicit goal of doing tech diving and this was back when rebreathers was something really exotic. My anxiety disorder decided to have a ball with my diving and I ended up having to abandon it. It feels so good to see how far the tech has gotten and to live a bit through people a lot less cowardly than me, and to get reacquainted with stuff I used to live and breathe (pardon the pun). I never get enough of adventure and human ingenuity. Thanks Gus and Woody!

[@GK-ec3xj]

I like to think Kiss had to create pink equipment just for woody 😆

[@6sixtysix]

It’s more like a pink/purple gradient. Really cool colors and helpful too see.

[@ncvman]

Why pink? Must be easier to see or for breast cancer awareness.

[@simonpartington8694]

I’m a non-diver but I found this fascinating. I hear you guys talk about rebreathers and now I know how they work. Cheers from England Woody

[@DolbecAqua]

Wow rebreathers are a LOT more complicated than I originally thought, thank you for the full explanation!

[@marcgilmour5312]

That demonstration/explanation was so dang! fantastic

[@bnol03686]

Nothing cooler looking than a rebreather

[@NORWOODShadow]

Only thing I remember from any of this is how cute that dog is.

[@DIVETALK]

Ha!

[@seymoreheiri3688]

It is fascinating. You know your channel is intriguing when a non diver watches every video including how to assemble gear..Thanks Woody. El is ADORABLE

[@tayberjk2559]

The aesthetic of everything matching 💖 I love it

[@michaelmitchell5909]

Great informative video Woody. Those are incredible units.

[@Scheistermeister]

Wait, we don't break up our old sorb and reuse it? lol

[@Written...]

Comment COULD be misleading and dangerous for somebody dumb enough to attempt this.

[@ajc1080]

@@Written... Anyone who makes safely decisions based soley on youtube comments without aditional research and training... well they're probably bound to hurt themselves anyways.

[@bllackphillip]

​@@Written... its just a throwback at one of the channel's videos where if I remember correctly a team of (certified I suppose) rebreather divers from the UK affirmed that the correct procedure is to break up your old sorb and mix it with new one which obviously resulted in problems underwater (mind you this was back in the day). Look at me throwing scuba terms left and right without even knowing how to treat water lmao

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

@@Written... - That was in England, but don't blame the whole country on it. It was their specific employer (BBC ?), probably from the bean counter department, that had them reusing sorb. Don't have to pay his pension, if he ain't around to collect it.

[@mrdgenerate]

@@michaelmoorrees3585 smh he didn't blame the country he just described the people by saying where they're from. Sensitive ass.

[@dennisdistant]

I admire your constant good mood and optimism. Take care.

[@donnabostwick1908]

Woody, you do such a great job explaining really technical skills. Enjoy every video. Absolutely love your lounge chair. Not surprised you have great taste in decor as well

[@marcgilmour5312]

What are u suggestng lol?? Jus'becuz he has good fashion sense, nice decor; and wears pink ....my oh..woody is a prize.

[@alexkhuri3967]

Woody would be a fantastic instructor.

[@codycox2465]

Love how I watch these and act all invested until I realize I don't even have my open water lmfao

[@FordFalcon54]

One step at a time but it doesn't hurt to see what's down the road ;).

[@tayberjk2559]

Same except I don’t dive at all and I don’t plan to 😂

[@ClarkeHandymanServices]

Woody, What an awesome demonstration! I’m thankful for your knowledge sharing.

[@fatherlessheep9662]

I dont if gus is the camera man on this video but great job not shaking and actually showing all the little clip and stuff .... And woody really good explanation ( i really feel that i could set up a re-breather even if im not a diver 🤣) great video and i hope with this video ppl actully understand how important it is to check an re-check if you have to

[@DIVETALK]

Gus was the camera man and did an awesome job!

[@michelehagerman216]

I’ve been seriously considering a Spirit (I’m a cold water diver) for next year. Was wondering about maintenance and this was very helpful. Thanks, Woody!

[@nolank7921]

Thanks Woody! I’m not a diver but I really enjoyed this and found it really interesting

[@michaeldorsey5724]

Great video I was completely made comfortable about getting a spirit because of watching this.I’m looking forward to seeing more of your videos.

[@mustanggun]

Great intro to the Kiss Spirit. Thx Woody

[@moisesguerra178]

Nice star for the weekend!!! God bless you Woody!!! My men!!!

[@mjw1bowl]

Such a fascinating video! I’ve Always wondered how these worked since in pretty much all of your diving videos you guys are on the rebreather and this video pretty much explained it! Not a diver yet but the more I watch the more I want to get into diving and get the proper training and certifications! Plus the more I see you guys using the KISS Rebreather the more I want to get certified in it as well! Keep up the great content guys!

[@brianramirez8173]

Not a diver / not planning on diving however if I was this would be a great video to watch multiple times and refresh before I was going to go on a dive with a re breather. I understand why you are a diving instructor and also understand why learning to dive can be very anxiety inducing. There are a lot of steps to follow in order to make sure your equipment is set up correctly. This is a great video to show anyone who wants to get into diving and what the expectation should be. Thanks Woody.

[@DIVETALK]

Just to be clear this is much more complex then setting up regular dive gear. This is just for technical rebreather diving on this particular unit, the kiss spirit rebreather. Setting up open circuit gear is much easier and way less steps.

[@brianramirez8173]

@@DIVETALK That makes sense. However any in depth video like this showing the importance of setting everything up correctly before you even go out to the water is what saves lives. You guys do great work and potentially save lives just by your review videos. Thanks for the insight.

[@timverkoyen8742]

This video was great, very many steps to check it all, very impressive! Got my dry suit test dive planned for tomorrow, slowly building towards being cave diving ready. Figured a dry suit would be much better than a wetsuit, which I have been using over the past 12 years. Especially here in the Netherlands, where the water temperature is approximately 4 degrees Celsius at 20 to 30 meters. Thanks again and slowly moving to the 50k subscribers!!!👌👌👌

[@burntbananastube]

Great video Woody, a brilliant and simple explanation and demonstration, very helpful! 👍🏼

[@nathangoode3126]

This was a great and very thorough explanation. Excellent video.

[@dl7281]

I will never dive but this is fascinating. Thanks!!

[@Cavercope]

Thanks for the great video. You were very detailed and it was cool to see one up close and how to assemble. I would love to get one in the future and be taught by you woody.

[@2stepsforward4stepsback]

Absolutely love woody he's great man!

[@jbvap]

Do you think woody happens to like the color pink? Lol. This was interesting to watch, I have no idea how a rebreather works but it was fascinating.

[@jamesleiter4222]

Thanks for making this video...I'm thinking of doing get cetified rebreathing for recreational diving and you explain so much to think about.

[@dianeluke1746]

I loved this in depth explanation of how the rebreather works! I may have to watch it again just to make sure I understand everything. I was almost certified in open water diving way back in 1987. I became ill right before our final certification dive and never completed the course. I was just a teenager. I was quite ill off and on for a couple years. Then one summer at the beach I came back from swimming in the ocean and couldn’t move my arm very well. My mom saw that my elbow was swollen. When we got home she took me to some specialists. After a bit of sleuthing they discovered I had systemic lupus, and had probably had it since the start of puberty and it was what had been making me so sick. I also had photosensitivity meaning that the sun acted like a switch turning my lupus on and making it worse. I learned to swim early in the morning or at sunset, or in a pool at night. I wish so much I could go back and get certified. Way back when we didn’t have dive computers or anything fancy. Unfortunately, at this point in my life lupus has wreaked havoc on my body and I can barely walk, not to mention the sun is my nemesis. I live vicariously through your channel. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this channel! It is greatly appreciated. ❤️

[@kenmh7357]

You are awesome Woody!

[@micheleiuliano6986]

Great video Woody! Very enjoyable!!

[@DyingBreed85]

Woodyyyy! Lol Awesome video. Well done. loving the channels growth. You guys are going to be so huge.

[@scooterdogg7580]

Wow , really illustrates the attraction of simple open circuit for general recreational diving

[@coltonpeacy7556]

Thank you so much for making this video!!

[@TheCenturion8404]

I’m an anesthesia provider and I use a closed system to vent my patients. You said you set your O2 flow at .75 LPM which is pretty much what I do with low flows. I use .5 lpm o2 and “room air” or .21% at .5 lpm as well roughly correlating to the same concentration. Our sodasorb last a long time too considering how many cases we do.

[@kyleking9417]

Cannot wait to drop some knowledge whenever I take my first scuba class

[@Necr0gen]

I'm not a diver but I'm loving this video. I'm from Ireland, love swimming in the ocean and im slowly getting convinced to stay under longer than just holding my breath. My parents did recreational diving before i was born and my grandfather was a dive master. Wonder if they still have contacts...

[@michelehagerman216]

Just ordered my Spirit last week so watching this again! Going to have a few months before delivery. 😢 Would really appreciate a breakdown and cleaning video!

[@gingereden546]

Thank you! I've been so interested in learning more about rebreathers! I hadn't heard of them before mrballen when he was talking about using them during his navy SEAL days. I find the concept so fascinating, such an incredible invention. In many of the stories I've listened to they talk about rebreathers, but they breeze over all the important stuff. For a bit I thought it was something you could just grab and go... boy was I wrong about that. I see why you need special training to dive on a rebreather. It looks totally worth it though! All people who have interest in rebreathers should have to watch this video, it should be mandatory 😊

[@DIVETALK]

Thanks for saying this Ginger! Made my day! Woody

[@gingereden546]

@@DIVETALK omg thank you! That just made my day 😊

[@OrcinusLaryngologist]

I’m loving all the pink! 💪

[@VivPhotography]

Your puppy is adorable!

[@ruafox]

Great video woody, thanks!

[@sammoyers905]

Great video Woody. 🤙

[@diveguy7123]

I can't believe I watched the whole thing. 👏👏😍👏👏

[@DIVETALK]

Awesome! And if you get a KISS Spirit you get to do this whole thing for real!

[@jhkleinberg2]

Great video woody! I'm thinking of converting to a car. This will definitely help me make a better educated decision. Ty

[@lucasv3825]

I feel like I owe you for a lesson. Planned on watching a few minutes, watched it all.

[@SOOKIE42069]

Just a quick reminder that as thorough as Woody is, watching this is not a substitute for getting properly certified on the unit. Dive safely!

[@DIVETALK]

Absolutely! You cannot dive it or even try it without being with an instructor.

[@Musiknird]

I love that you go all pink Woody! It's not often you see guys absolutely rock pink. I honestly had to buy a halcyon wing in pink camo just because it was pink. That and my neon pink OMS slipstream fins is my best purchase and the best part you're visable and easy to spot under water. I'm not a fan of the all black equipment and people secretly wishing they were attack divers. Is so much nicer with some colours ( read pink ). 🤙

[@DIVETALK]

Sooooo, I think it's time to add some explanation to the color pink. Many of you that know me certainly know that I believe that the ocean has "Ocean Soul". This soul is alive with life and energy. I believe when we dive in the ocean, we gain special healing powers. We ingest all that bio luminescence and it becomes a part of us. This is why I've been so addicted to it's magical powers since I was a baby (being born and raised in the incredible city of Ft. Lauderdale). Now let's look at what pink is thought to represent: sweet, nice, playful, cute, romantic, charming, tenderness, is associated with bubble gum, flowers, babies, little girls, cotton candy, and sweetness. The color of universal love of oneself and of others. The color pink represents caring, compassion and love. The pink color stands for unconditional love and understanding, and is associated with giving and receiving care. Since pink is a combination of red and white, both colors add a little to its characteristics. It gets the lust for action from the red color, and the white color gives it an opportunity to achieve success and insight. Passion and power from the color red, softened with the purity and openness of the white color completes pink color meaning. The deeper the pink color, the more passion and energy it radiates. Pink represents friendship, affection, harmony, inner peace, and approachability. Pink represents the color of breast cancer survivors, which I'm all too familiar with as well. Ocean Soul, inner peace, love, kindness, approachability, passion, power, gives care but needs care, sometimes full of action, sometimes calm and tranquil, ........ Pink, Ocean Soul, let the world be full of both.

[@Musiknird]

@@DIVETALK I think you explained it beautifully and agrees completely. 💖

[@Musiknird]

@@DIVETALK also I wasn't sarcastic in my reply I was honest and truly loves that you wear pink. Sadly pink as a colour has been put into a box as you described being girly, cotton candy, feminine and childish. For me pink is strong and vibrant that shows passion as you wrote Woody. When you described the bio luminousence I was thrown back to my first night dive in Thailand. I was quite nervous because I had no idea what it would be like because it was literally my first time. I remember it was pitch black and we were ready to descend I turned on my torch an we slowly started to descend into the ocean. I turned my torch around and buried it in to my bcd and started to wave my hand in front of me and from nowhere thousands bio luminous particles lit up and sparkled in the colours of the rainbow. This made such a strong impression on me and it was magical and I thought I've never seen such a beautiful thing ever! And I have been blessed with sering so many incredible and different marine life. I've had magical moments with different sharks, macro life, mantas, whale sharks, seahorses, turtles, nudies ( saw a blue dragon my first dive as certified diver ), flatworms, different types of ghost pipes, sea kraits, peacock mantis shrimps, box fishes, lobsters, stingrays, leopard sharks, grouper, travallys, barracudas, pipe fishes and so on, but that moment of that night dive will always be very special and a moment I will always treasure. It was there and then I really realised that I belonged in the ocean and it felt like the ocean was swept all around me like very soft black velvet. I felt safe and it was my calling to be with the ocean and I decided I want to make this into my job and career.

[@lynnefromthelake]

Okay, one thing that I have thought more than once while watching Dive Talk. To me, what you guys do on your checklists are really similar to running a trauma patient. There are certain steps that cannot be passed over or ignored. If you don't properly run every step, it could end someone's life. You can never take shortcuts. Period.

[@TheAuditToolbar]

My favourite part of diving is how every rule is there for a good reason, nothing is 'just because'

[@dlabor1965]

Nice colour. A big Woof to ALF!

[@happyspearo4334]

Awesome video sir! I just emailed Mr. Sorenson today about training. It was great to see the checklist ran through!! Quick question, does the NERD get in the way of seeing things straight ahead with your right eye? I was going to get 2 4 pin petrels but that NERD is cool. I'm looking to get the sidewinder rebreather.

[@JoshJos-Shwa]

I have never dived before. This actually makes me want to try it. I'm starting to feel like diving with a re-breather is the way to go. I'm sure all the supplies aren't inexpensive by any means. But if I planned on taking dive courses. I would want to just directly start on re-breather courses. Closed loop seems to be the way to go. I also feel like it's not that complicated. Your using a scrubber to eliminate CO2. I also heard that some experienced divers used to open loop get all clustered if and when they switch over. Wouldn't it just be best to be taught the best and most efficient way to dive first?

[@ScubaHockeyDoc]

Great video Woody. When do you do your assembly and setup check? Night before your dive? I assume it would be difficult to do this on a dive boat heading to a site.

[@AssMcBlast]

7:19 _ba bump_ that look he gives the camera after the double bump killed me 😂

[@eddiekrustysock4395]

That’s a smooth head install

[@vedantgupta9092]

@DIVE TALK would you guys consider breaking your no diving siphons for the opportunity to dive little gator spring with a experienced cave diver such as Edd Sorensen or Mike young?

[@ScubaHockeyDoc]

Will please demonstrate pre and post dive care of the unit. Thanks

[@LK-bz9sk]

Until I found this channel I thought rebreather were only used by the military. And I used to cave dive many years ago.

[@amberk7888]

I don't even know how to snorkel 🤦 but I love your guys channel and want to learn it all...in time 😁🤣. If I ever get away from the land of 10,000 lakes and maybe some salt water options instead. 😔🤷

[@ivorypoacherplays]

You should have a contest for non divers to try to build this thing using those directions haha

[@catfishnet]

I just happened to notice all the o-ring connections and that you didn't mention something. I'm not a diver but becoming very interested in diving and being watching your videos. Nice job by the way really informative. I'm a retired offshore exploratory driller. Learned a lot about pressure and volume in that field. But anyway I just wanted to point this out about o-ring seals. You can look at them, rub your finger and feel of them the same way you did but unfortunately is the nature of o-ring seals to become weaker with each assembly. You may not feel or see anything wrong with them and still experience a failure when under pressure. Just humbly want to bring to your attention it would be a good idea to change those out on a regular basis. Per 100 feet of water depth =44.72 psi 300' ×.052×8.6= 134.16 psi I've seen many times when o-ring seals have leaked by on low pressure test with no evidence of bad seal, only knew after changing o-rings and retesting to get a good pressure test. Crazy thing is sometimes couldn't get a low pressure test at 100 to 200 psi and could ramp the test to 5,000 psi and it would hold. Just thought this might be some interesting information. Thanks for the great job you do on the videos I hope to get into diving soon.

[@arsenzhdanov1907]

Hi, a few questions. How do you add helium to this system for deeper dives? Is dual scrubber system for redundancy?

[@ybkseraph]

Great video - actually didn’t know the spirit was MCCR. Why did you not choose ECCR ?

[@jesseh6754]

Are copies of those checklists available for download?

[@brandysigmon9066]

Ya'll killed it again. Greetings from West Virginia coal fields. Not much diving here, lol

[@Josh-hr5mc]

I might be wrong but the Shearwater will read up to 4x more bottles plus the 1 onboard. 5 total. Maybe its all in the wording but that might confuse people.

[@Angel-zp8tf]

I don’t dive but I want a rebreather 😂😂 I need one woody , green and purple 😎

[@williamsweet7511]

In a more recent video you talked about the depth rating on kiss rebreathers, not being certified to more than X depth. I think that is because of the manual system and the constant flow valve. If it goes deeper the ambient pressure and the set pressure of X per minute will cause problems, to little O2 or worse, way to much O2...

[@fathom493]

Next video better be a DIY rebreather!

[@lbaronXL]

How much of this can you do the day before you get on the boat and how much do you have to do between dives. asking as a sea sick diver LOL. Still making me want to learn a rebreather.

[@DIVETALK]

We do this typically the day before diving.

[@pxrcision9285]

Where do you guys get those loop hose covers from, I’ve been looking for them everywhere.

[@AlkDarksniper]

Hell yeah

[@LuizHenrique-zs1hv]

man, it seems a bit complex but it`s such a cool equipment

[@annavrhovac2687]

How did you paint your rebreather? I know you can just paint over it, but, if I get a rebreather I don’t want to damage. Just a concern 😅

[@Ffs00911]

Overall this is the best channel on yt. Nobody is even close… why??? Because they make you feel like you’re there. They make you feel part of the convo, and most importantly make you feel like you’re sitting in a classroom. Not just any classroom , im talking about those cool teachers that everyone loves. Thats just my opinion.

[@TheFxlight]

Hey Woody, how long does it take you to set it all up and do all your checks for a typical dive?

[@DIVETALK]

Once you get proficient at it, maybe 15-20 minutes.

[@mikemcdougall193]

Do you do this at home before you leave, or at shore side before diving

[@rudyschurmann6211]

👍👍👍👍👍there really is a lot to consider. what is the price range for a rebreather ? mean as a beginner. should i buy an expensive one?

[@DIVETALK]

You wouldn’t get into rebreathers as a beginner

[@jbvap]

I was wondering what that “nerd” device was. Purddy cool!

[@armandojuan64]

Is that rebreather different from the one that Dave Shaw was using in his dives at Bushmanhole ?

[@DIVETALK]

Yes this one is different then that one.

[@pxrcision9285]

Do you by chance have a place where I can download/buy that assembly checklist

[@matjazrepnik]

Does cells show partial pressure or PO2. In video say partial pressure and voltage?

[@rustdiving]

Woody is this assembly list one you created or a KISS std assembly list. Would love a similar detailed list for the Side Winder?

[@RDSwords]

My whole hobby would be just assembling and tweaking the gear, but never actually diving haha

[@armandojuan64]

So Mike Young created that machine the same way Cousteau created the aqualung?

[@westoncrockett5968]

So if you ever dive deeper then 280 since the o2 is not free flowing anymore are you steadily having to manually pump o2 in the loop and check po2 more frequently?

[@DIVETALK]

No. You don’t need it, just add Dil at that depth

[@MikeCarr07]

Are those checklists available to download? It looks more complete than the one in the Manual

[@MikeCarr07]

I have yet to find that checklist

[@TheGreenCouncil]

If you have a dry cave that has water at a depth of 300ft that is 100ft deep is it the same as a cave that is completely submerged for the whole 400ft as far as the effects oxygen and nitrogen have on your body?

[@TheGreenCouncil]

Yea open to ground level, that makes sense

[@tonfleuren3536]

I've wondered a few times why you use time to decide when the scrubber fill needs to be replaced. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the O2 volume used instead?

[@DIVETALK]

No. You really need to stick to rated scrubber time regardless of o2 used. O2 use has nothing to do with scrubber useful life. You can use more or less o2 based just in depth as depth effects pO2. Scrubber is still working the same to remove your co2 and of course how hard your working in the dive greatly effects it also. So does water temperature.

[@tonfleuren3536]

@@DIVETALK That's why I said volume used (as in, pressure used from O2 tank times the O2 tank volume), since that equals a total mass of O2, while the scrubber can also absorb a fixed mass of CO2. That way, you would automatically correct for work, temperature, and other factors that effects the amount of O2 you're using and thus the amount of CO2 you're exhaling. If you add up the O2 used from the O2 tank and the dill tank know very accurately how much CO2 was produced. This ignores the dill used for the BCD and flushing of the loop, but that is probably negligible, and you would always overestimate CO2 produced slightly, which is the safe way to error. Using just the time requires you to accurately estimate the CO2 produced per hour, otherwise you could still come up short. To be clear, I'm not a rebreather diver, I'm an engineer wondering why things are done the way they are done.

[@DIVETALK]

@@tonfleuren3536 because your body does not change its amount of co2 produced as a correlation to how much oxygen you used from the tank. That correlation doesn’t work because your body requires in fact only a vey low percentage of oxygen for example at 150 feet compared to at the surface. Your body only cares about the partial pressure of the o2, not the percentage of o2 in what you are breathing. So you would use significantly less volume of oxygen for example at 150 feet then you would at the surface. However you are producing the same amount of co2 on each exhalation at 150 feet as you are at the surface. It’s apples and oranges in a sense. That is why absolutely must base your scrubber use on time as rated by the manufacturers. Volume of oxygen used is irrelevant to how much co2 the scrubber absorbed and cleaned from your exhalation.

[@kaptenkrok8123]

If the amount of O2 molecules the scrubber can absorbed is fixed over time it should be theoretically possible. But i suspect that the scrubber breaksdown once its exposed to co2

[@tonfleuren3536]

@@kaptenkrok8123 That doesn't make sense; the calcium/sodium hydroxide can only degrade when it has something to react with, they are not measuring the time since it was first used, they are measuring the total dive time, which can be accumulated over a number of dives over a longer period; you don't have to throw it out by the end of the day

[@blackoceandiving8242]

Hey guys! Do either of you have experience with the Dive Rite Optima eCCR???

[@DIVETALK]

We do not but we have a few friends that dive the chest mounted Optima.

[@SuperBIGGY84]

wow that's a lot to know man I had no idea it was so much to know an do that would def freak out someone like me that's so forgetful

[@MikeCarr07]

What are your thoughts on an early serial number KISS Classic, would you buy one?

[@DIVETALK]

I would just ask Mike Young. If Mike says yes then I would buy it.

[@MikeCarr07]

I ended up buying an almost brand new KISS Spirit LTE