Stephen A. Smith goes off about LeBron James vs. Celtics without Kyrie Irving | First Take | ESPN

[@DJSkandalous]

LeBron can't win can he? If he loses to Boston then it tarnishes his legacy. But if he makes the finals and loses again then oh my God he can never be the goat. I love how people talk about MJ being 6-0 but ignore the 9 other seasons he lost. But now it's just as bad if he loses before the finals but not for Jordan? He might as well sign with the Warriors next year just so all you hypocritical haters can shut the hell up. LeBron has been to more finals then MJ, in a equal amount of NBA seasons. And he was also younger in his first appearance on a team that didn't have a Scottie Pippen. I didn't see a 24 or 25 year old MJ making the finals with BJ Armstrong. Lebron went there with Eric Snow against a Prime Tim Duncan, Manu and Tony Parker. Shut it

[@delanstephen1824]

DJ Skandalous I know right 😂

[@jaybrick8973]

DJ Skandalous facts

[@christopherporter3477]

Pro sports is about championships, bottom line, getting to the finals and losing carries no weight , except with clowns. Winning the chip is the ultimate goal, not appearances. 3-5 in the finals does not get it done.

[@DJSkandalous]

Delan Stephen lol it's so biased. People talk legacy, but now KD is considered better after joining a 73 win team. No one remembers he bandwagoned his ass to a title. So honestly if LeBron did the same, it shouldn't matter. If rings is the only thing that matters, don't be mad if Lebron hot dogs his way with the rockers and warriors. The haters will have caused that with this 6 ring bs. People don't care how you got there or KD wouldn't even be in consideration. And honestly LeBron beating a 73 win team and coming back 3-1 Trump's any MJ season. But no one wants to talk about that.

[@SShaBazzz]

DJ Skandalous he already can never be the GOAT. But he made this situation himself so yea it would be held against him. Simple logic.

[@travisg736]

The narrative just TWO WEEKS AGO, was LeBron wouldn’t even get out the 1st round, he bust everybody ass and now it’s a cakewalk

[@brandonmartinez2263]

Harold G. I currently have LeBron number 2 after Jordan in terms of greatest ever. I wanna know something tho... if LeBron lost before reaching the playoffs and only went 3-0 would he be the GOAT now?

[@BeingWokeTV]

Harold G Only little kids are impressed with lebron competition in the east

[@travisg736]

Brandon Martinez we in the same boat, Jordan is the goat to me as well

[@theextraordinaryordinary8112]

Why would he?

[@travisg736]

BeingWokeTV what im saying is every year we build a team in the east up, and when LeBron tears it down its always, oh his competition is subpar, Whats Golden States competition level then? Who realistically can beat the warriors in the west? NOBODY

[@markreadin7124]

The "legacy" arguments are terrible. For some, it'd hurt LBJ's legacy more to beat the Celtics but lose to GSW. Think about how idiotic it is that nobody would bring up his finals record if he were 3-0...even though that would mean he lost 5 times earlier on, to worse teams...he should have just choked vs the Pistons in 2007. That'd help his legacy apparently

[@danyalkazmi1400]

Yeah it makes no sense. Humans just like pretty numbers, lol

[@FAYTANA]

do you think Cavs with all their role players playing well, can beat GSW this year? I don't see it. GSW is on another level that Lebron is expected to lose. now how close he makes it is whats gonna prove his worth. if they're getting blown out every game then Lebron haters have a right to bash him. but if he's losing within 10 points and he's putting up monstrous numbers, I don't see it hurting his legacy at all.

[@hardythomas21]

right bascially lebron should and should've lost every year he had no chance of winning it all. Because all that matters is his lost in the finals. How people putting it if he lost 10 1st rounds it a be cool long as he never lost in the finals.

[@WildfireX]

its because the retarded jordan fans hold on to everything they can to compare him against LeBron, and the only metric they have to say that Jordan is better is "6 for 6" Ignoring the fact that he got bounced out of the playoffs a shit tonne of times before that

[@michaelnattoo2633]

Absolute facts Mark Readin!! Couldn't have said it better!

[@DJSkandalous]

PS MJ isn't perfect. He is 6 out of 15 in terms of winning seasons. That means 6 wins and 9 losses. Stop acting like losing a finals is worse then losing before the finals.

[@nikthebrick_1839]

DJ Skandalous true.

[@raymondpok]

LeBron is 3-12

[@perfectgematriadecodesabc4259]

Raymond Snow lol

[@lawrencebeckley73]

Raymond Snow LeBron has been to 9 straight Eastern Conference Finals . Something that MJ never did

[@andredavis8824]

Lawrence Beckley different ERA you clown lol

[@rayflacco3980]

Lol Stephen A has to take over the Skip role now that he’s gone

[@Kingly4]

Ray Flacco he’s feeling insecure about LeBron closing in on MJ in the goat convo. No one especially the elder likes to ever admit that anyone is better than MJ

[@DeeboGreen]

He’s a clown

[@holden6104]

He's probably better than MJ at this point, if you look at the entire career.

[@maniwulf7600]

That OG Prince of the City Wiz

[@Mothernaturesamazing4180]

Ray Flacco facts!

[@Brodee706]

So Lebron loses to Boston without Kyrie is not that bad if his teammates don't show up. If he loses to Boston with Kyrie it's worst? This man is crazy. So what if Lebron outplays everyone including Kyrie but his teammates don't show up then what. I get it it's the fact the Kyrie is on the court. Smh

[@BeingWokeTV]

His teammates do show up but the media sucks Lebron dick massively. They act like he single handily beat the raptors...

[@holden6104]

He pretty much did. It was Lebron's play that eventually got his teammates involved and producing, especially Love. Media does such his dick, but you sound stupid trying to undermine him.

[@holden6104]

I agree with Stephen A. If it were a head-to-head between him and Kyrie, the media fallout explodes by a factor of 10. Losing to the Celtics without Kyrie won't be nearly as sexy a story, even though it's technically worse.

[@Brodee706]

Joe Bon thanks English professor but I gave 3 things. My bad I might lose points on my paper since I didn't spell out the number.

[@Brodee706]

BeingWokeTV I agree somewhat. The Pacers series they were horrible. They were great during the Raptors. The issue is when he needs them the most they don't step up. Last year every time he went to the bench they lost the lead. It is what is I'm just enjoying the game while he's still playing.

[@shanealvarado7191]

You're telling me Stephen A that if Lebron loses to a team without Kyrie it's better than losing to a team with Kyrie? 😫😫😂 shut up man you're drunk.

[@hazegaming100]

SHANE ALVARADO yea cuz remember Everyone came at Kyrie about him leaving Cleveland and he wasnt gonna be able to win without Lebron Season started and Kyrie started ballin while Lebron put up numbers even tho his team has been struggling so imagine Kyrie playing and beats Lebron He would be penalize for that since the whole statement of Kyrie cant win without Lebron

[@Spazlites]

SHANE ALVARADO i know right? He must be smoking hot glass....I think he's just trying to create a cop out just incase lebron looses to the Celtics.....LeBron losing to a young Celtics without kyrie and hayward is far worse than with both players on the court

[@YumiaRobinson]

SHANE ALVARADO word up .

[@hazegaming100]

he always been like that he speaks out his ass at the moment then be quick to switch up

[@1987benhur]

This dude SAS is really not making any sense it would obviously hurt more to Lebron's rep to lose against a celtics team without its 2 best players, SAS is just a hater and definitely drinking of the kyrie kool aid

[@Kingly4]

Just a few weeks ago a lot of people didn’t think the Cavs can make it past the 1st round. Since then they unexpectedly swept the 1 seeded Raps and all of a sudden the east is weak and LeBron is being bash once again..... smh

[@MrMuaythai84]

they almost lost to aq no name pacer lol and beat up an overrated raptor teams. no on ever said raptors were good only the liberal espn lebron fanboy media did

[@Kingly4]

Phon Xieng If you watch basketball the Raptors are obviously a very good team, they’re number 1 seed for a reason. LeBron was too much for them. Although they probably would of beat the Pacers if they matchup against them

[@baldpnoy410]

Phon Xieng goes both ways... Everyone pumping the west like it some type of juggernaut conference. Only difference is that the West have the best 2 teams in league. Outside of that it's just a bunch of indiana Pacers and Raptors.

[@depannist]

Jesse Saeteurn when did anybody say the East wasn't weak. The fact that Lebron was on the verge of losing didn't make the East "strong". Nobody ever claimed Indiana was now competing for a title. They were just giving Lebron and the Cavs all "they" could handle. Same weak East as evidenced by Toronto's matador performance.

[@Kingly4]

depannist Obviously you haven’t been watching any NBA analysis these past few weeks or your a LeBron hater. The narrative was the east is finally competitive, Toronto is a better team, Philly are the fave and LeBron and the Cavs don’t have what it takes. After the Cavs swept the Raps, suddenly the east is no longer competitive

[@TriedYan]

SASs logic hurts my head

[@jayclemons3071]

notice how they say if "lebron" loses and not if the "Cavs" lose. Cavs sweep

[@Goofy8907]

Max is right, Stephen A is wrong. Of course it is worse losing to a Kyrie-less Celtics, that is infinitely worse ffs.

[@Ali-zd4sz]

facts

[@amosbat8011]

Stephen A sounds dumb ass hell! I would rather loose to a better talent even if its a larger talking point for the media than get beat by a kyrieless Celtics, which actually look amazing! Tatum rookie of the year! YOUNG KOBE

[@lastsonofktn]

Goofy8907 Takes no brains to understand this smh

[@Brandonmccullen77]

Why must LBJ’s legacy be on the line before every series 🤦‍♂️ smh lol

[@depannist]

Because the competition is relatively weak, he's "supposed" to beat these teams, i.e. Indiana, Toronto, Boston ... none of which are led by a player anywhere near Lebron's greatness. So losing to them is a major hit on his legacy. In contrast, if he beats GSW led by Curry and Durant, then his legacy gets a major boost because he brought down two giants! Got to take the good with the bad.

[@Brandonmccullen77]

depannist no it is not. People are just way too hard on this guy. He’s human just like everyone one else. One playoff loss will not erase bringing a championship to a city after a 60 year drought. That defines his greatness and is and will always be his legacy. The nit picking is ridiculous. Even The great MJ had flaws to his career as well because he too was a human

[@depannist]

Nobody said it erases anything. The question is whether it affects his legacy and it does. If a prime Lebron loses to a no name led Boston or Indiana, that hurts his legacy, no doubt about it. It doesn't just go unnoticed. Are the players around Lebron any worse than the players around Oladipo or whomever you want to say is leading Boston these days? Nobody will forget Lebron's accomplishments and they are many. But when you talk about legacy, you can't ignore the blemishes especially when they occur in your "prime". Nobody forgets Jordan returning and losing to Orlando, despite the short season for him. It's a part of his legacy whether folks like it or not.

[@bmore24t56]

Boston aren't playing like "no names" they have 3 players who consistently score 20 And yes people do forget Jordan loss to Orlando

[@Aeronlisud]

hes the faCe of the NBA

[@Hezebynature]

6:02 No, no, no Jordan beat the Pistons because they got old. Tell the truth Max🙄

[@KM-mq1nv]

The Pistons stars were the same age as Steph, KD and Klay. js

[@jaleeneverette4588]

Harvey Specter it’s been stated those pistons players were old and falling off out of their prime

[@TheHappyHuntsman]

If Jordan had that Heat team against the spurs and mavs Jordan would of destroyed them.

[@Hezebynature]

TheHappyHuntsman If Lebron was drafted to the Bulls instead of MJ he wouldn’t have gotten swept in the first round

[@oBRDY]

TheHappyHuntsman Macs2was a choke but the spurs were really good.

[@tameone]

so Lebron can go off and his team doesn't show up and lose and max says there is no excuse? Wtf, what makes them think Lebron should always have to do everything himself and win? They don't put that on no1 else in the league, thats crazy...

[@justinhall1606]

tameone Fr Lebron is the only player in nba history not allowed to have teammates that show up

[@imprinceshandy]

tameone lebron is the only player that can carry a handicapped brooklyn nets in finals tbh

[@tmar5473]

Budik Lagrata lebron couldn’t do that if his life depended on it

[@MrMuaythai84]

cause he best in world u moron. if thats what u claim he is then yeah he need to lead them and do more. if not then he isnt and he isnt the leader. he is just another player

[@ACN69]

Darky334455 nobody could do that, maybe playoffs

[@chukanwizu6129]

In my opinion, in more than 70% of these ESPN's First Take, Max Kellerman has made more logical sense than Stephen A. Smith. Same as here. Stephen is just louder.

[@billrose6391]

I think this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with Kellerman.

[@oskithedonable]

Even if u don’t believe Bron is better thn Jordan, u can’t deny his talent period... he’s gonna be a top 5 or better all time great wen it’s all said it done... he don’t gotta be better thn Jordan jst give him credit for being great

[@BuckarooBanzai-]

3-5

[@oskithedonable]

Gerrard Israel Laraga I’ll take it lol better thn none

[@hardythomas21]

RioGionni 💯

[@delanstephen1824]

His the only person in the conversation with Jordan, that says a lot

[@DOLLAMAC190]

He is top 3

[@ktdin319]

Stephen A... take the L on this one bruh. Losing to Kyrie's BACK-UP wouldn't be WORSE than losing to Kryie?

[@torymcmahand8989]

Stephen A Bill Russell had 11 rings Jordan had 6 NO COMPARISON

[@Juscallmemav]

Tory McMahand bruh the NBA was weak af with like 9 teams not the same. Bill Russel in today's game probably wouldn't even make all star with the caliber players the league has now. Only person from back then that could hang is Big O, Wilt, Dr. J. and George Gervin. Kevin McHale and Magic too

[@Tunechi65]

Brand Mav'rick Robert horry is greater than mj. 7 rings!!

[@WodiMusic]

Stephen A was talking about LOSES not WINS...youre responding to something that wasn't said

[@WodiMusic]

Tory McMahand Stephen A was talking about LOSES not WINS...youre responding to something that wasn't said

[@blacklyfe5543]

Brand Mav'rick yes he would u don’t know shit about basketball doesn’t matter how many teams you have in a league bill Russell still the goat regardless of what you think

[@therealpotheadmedia]

Didn't Magic go to 9 finals in 11 years come on now. Respect the man

[@celo6083]

If the Cavs some how managed to lose I don’t think it would damage LeBron’s legacy that much because the Celtics are the better team, the Cavs just have LeBron the best player.

[@djs10261026]

Celo but it's also a team in which their 2 best players are gone.. And it's being led by rookies and 2nd year players

[@thegreatone9850]

NO NO NO THERE IS NO COMING BACK FROM THAT

[@tmar5473]

MaSTer-OF-worDS was Kevin Love not an all star averaging 18 pts and 9 rebounds this season?

[@jongmacinas2580]

MaSTer-OF-worDS I thought teams always put in 5 of their men in the court, how is it 1vs15.. lols Lbj fans makin him a lone ranger super hero eh? Like all his teammates contributions are nothing

[@00700556]

It would hurt his legacy because people use literally everything they can to tear this man's legacy and achievements down. Literally

[@latrelvista4119]

idk why but when stephen A smith's head shines in the light, his hairline moves back a little more XD

[@sebastiancarrasco9525]

I know this is incredibly unlikely but if bron finds a way to win a ring this year, the discussion is absolutely over, he is the GOAT

[@bogpro8146]

why? he would have two less rings then jordan with five more finals losses then jordan i mean sure lebron is a beast in his stats but being 4-5 in the finals would end the discussion of goat? Jordan is first for me there but i guess its an opinion thing

[@urdone7659]

Sebastian Carrasco No he wouldn’t, Lmao

[@DJSkandalous]

Bog Pro MJ has five less rings then Russell. Your argument is invalid if we are counting rings and not stats. MJ has also 9 losing NBA seasons. He didn't make the finals 9 times! Are we going to look over that too Mr Perfection?

[@Yungdarius]

Bog Pro you have gotten played son

[@kobedoesntneedabig3832]

I'll give you that but we both know he's not winning a ring anytime soon.

[@ngkky]

In the words of the 19th century poet Ralph Waldo Emerson, "When you strike at a King, you must kill him".

[@justinguyton6400]

Stephen A is so lame now

[@MrAVGNdude]

Zack Johnston you're just mad he doesn't bow down to Lebron like the rest of you bitches do

[@SShaBazzz]

justin guyton you just mad he telling the truth and getting in the way of your fantasy.

[@justinguyton6400]

MrAVGNdude you're just a keyboard warrior lol stfu bron called him out on his bs and all of a sudden he's a bron hater lmao gtfo

[@humbleexplorer4998]

Remember that KD joined GSW? Now, imagine LeBron join Houston. Super team vs Super team!!!

[@Gypsywasteland]

Why y’all giving Kyrie so much credit he is irrelevant cuz he’s hurt (not unusual btw) and Boston is doing just as good with out him and so is Cleveland

[@mikelarry1068]

Frankie L thank you. Best ability is availability. Cleveland would have 2 titles right now if he wasn't on the bench in 2015

[@gabe7890]

It was an ongoing knee injury that he’s had his whole career, but the Cavs never wanted him to have the surgery that would fix it, cause they needed him in the playoffs. Credit the Celtics for looking ahead and deciding he should have it now so he won’t miss time in the future.

[@MCFoultier]

Frankie L yeah, I find that funny too. Remember the start of the season where they said he's the mvp? And now the team that traded him is playing the team where he sits on the bench. "is kyrie actually a valuable player for team success"? That would be a interesting topic...

[@mikelarry1068]

Gabe he was the one who decided not to have the surgery. Cavs wanted him to do it right after the finals that year.

[@chrisalfred709]

mike larry you right lol idk how they blamed the Cavs for that... That would be illegal as fuck to tell a player he can't have surgery. Players just push thru cause of ego

[@quill3324]

Congratulations Max Kellermen this is the first time you’ve been right

[@juanio7036]

Who believes the Celtics beat the cavs with a healthy kyrie?

[@damienisauglyasskid9060]

juanio no one

[@SmackgunSuge]

juanio I do

[@alanhung1428]

I believe they might even beat the Cavs without Kyrie

[@briteslider]

Alan Hung Don’t be drunk now

[@gamingfreakpr1840]

The Celtics have better players. With Kyrie its a 4-1 Boston win. Abd I'm giving them a win just to not give them a sweep if Hayward was playing and kyrie its a sweep

[@sackjack47able]

i just love how Jordan only played 6 years

[@Ali-zd4sz]

MAX IS SPEAKING FACTS!!!!!!

[@BrianCheng24]

What the fuck. How does LeBron not look worse if the Celtics beat LeBron without Kyrie?

[@Aman13234]

The Basketball gods decided not to give the people what they wanted. I'm hurt.

[@KL-fz1bh]

Aman13234 wizards vs Cavs semifinals and 76ers vs Milwaukee semifinals would have been better and 76ers vs Cavs in the eastern conference finals

[@briteslider]

Keyz Smith 76ers are out so who cares

[@alexpalacios4767]

Are we forgetting that MJ lost in the conference finals when he came back from retirement...?

[@BeastJeffrey]

Can you imagine if kyrie would of hit a game winning shot in game 7 over lebron 💀

[@lisaboyd9356]

I Take Chances would never happen

[@elcomandante9299]

Never gonna happen. He'ls injury prone.

[@UchihaMadara-xr7yw]

The shot would literally be a circus shot

[@urdone7659]

Uchiha Madara Well Durant did that in LeBrons face in game 3 last year😂

[@urdone7659]

Xan Frank Ur so fucking stupid. I said game fucking 3 dipshit. Dumbass bandwagon

[@eacarter0904]

They kill me! This man's legacy was technically written we he came back for the first time EVER down 3-1 and won a championship for Cleveland. Just let this man continue to be great!! #JamesFan😘

[@cameronjohnson6623]

This is the NBA

[@rahmanredel4062]

Honestly I feel like ever since mama durant came on the show he’s redirected his hate to LeBron James

[@allmight2566]

These Cavs bandwagons are just as worst as the Warriors bandwagons

[@robaustin_]

But not as bad as your english.

[@urdone7659]

Duh, they bandwagon from the Heat of course they as bad.

[@jayvon221]

Ur Done do u people think lebron started his career in miami

[@JWill-xc1cr]

Nah b. Golden state bandwagons are former laker fans waiting it out until the Lakers are good again. Nothing worse then that. Cavs fans are just Lebron fans if we are being honest

[@privateuser4062]

Warrior bandwagons are out of control haha

[@Dongloriano]

I feel like bron just gotta say I'm not chasing Jordan I'm creating my own legacy cause this comparison shit is getting annoying

[@deangelocarter9180]

So let me get this: Lebron loses vs Celtics w/o kyrie (nothing ) Lebron loses vs Celtics w kyrie ( worst)

[@AdvocateOfJamaica]

Deangelo Carter that's the same thing i said. How does Stephen A even have a job?

[@SinisterMud]

Lebron wont lose.

[@tenelson3]

SinisterMud ok........

[@kennethbrown7122]

How is missing the finals 9 times a perfect standard set by MJ?

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

if kyrie that important why are the celtics going to the east finals without him!!??

[@brandonbates9259]

Kicknowledge Smith people will say because east is weak like a damn broken re ord lol

[@martyg2333]

Because the East is garbage. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't make it untrue.

[@joedagg4495]

If the east wasnt weak then the best east team wouldnt have gotten swept in the finals. And dont give me the gsw juggernaut bullcrap because the rockets took them to 7

[@ivanbatista95]

“Sigh”.. every game now & every series now are all legacy tarnishing if he loses ? Why can’t they just accept he’s great

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

it doesn't matter if Kyrie is there or not, kyrie won nothing without lebron!! none one would be talking about kyrie if lebron never went back to cleveland!!

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

Steve Kerr, Paxson saved Jordan too, and your point!! and how many buzzer beaters have Lebron hit this year!!??? stop this nonsense!!

[@WISDOMvsKnowledge22]

Steven so passionate about a current hypothetical?!!

[@juanio7036]

The media comparing him to Jordan with their narrative trying to make him the goat.

[@ratkovac7]

juanio They did, undisputed is talking about him from october every day, sometimes 2 times a day, and thats only undisputed, they had a pole recently 81% said lb is the goat and 77% said he had less help than mj, thats what media does to people

[@truthsyrum4859]

So he's not? Why is Jordan the goat, if you make the 6 rings argument then we going to Bill Russel, so what is it?

[@JohnJohnson-my8zg]

First Last stfu with ur lame ass argument you noon bill Russel played in like an 8 team league and the champ got the number 1 pick and the players were weak and he still wasn't even the number 1 player on his team so stfu you social media parrot and do your research Jordan is the undisputed GOAT

[@sageofthesix9608]

John Johnson no he isn’t. how many times he lose in the first round?!

[@truthsyrum4859]

Ima excuse the stfu comment because I don't internet bang, but my point is, if your using the championship argument to say he's the goat, then clearly that's not applicable because weak or not he doesn't have the most, 6 and o in the finals? Does that make him the goat?, when he won MVP, and dpoy in the same season? What measurement are you concluding that mj is the goat that's what I'm asking....fuck boi

[@b__wenner]

I love how Stephan A's tone progresses from subdued and normal to a yell within 2 minutes of speaking

[@mohamedmejri5265]

Kyrie was there in February and they got destroyed ..simply Boston have no one to defend Lebron .

[@EternalWavy]

Your on drugs they dont have Gordan hayward if boston had him they could have destroyed the cavs with a full teams

[@co30walkk]

I really like Boston this year i like how they play together and believe in each other no matter who is out hurt. its always next man up.

[@FloofyMochi]

It's hilarious how people compare MJ and LeGOAT. Give Lebron a Scottie Pippen who can consistently score 20+ PTS in the Playoffs and play Lockdown Defense in the playoffs, Give Lebron a Dennis Rodman who can be a Rebounding and Defensive GOAT. Give LeBron a team that can function and a coach with a brain and he'd be 12 - 3 in the finals at least.

[@dereckhenson2051]

LeBronto Raptors "12-3" that's literally God tier lmfaooooo

[@thheonmnaisx]

LeBronto Raptors Lebron has players that can give him 20+ points in the playoffs. He may not have lockdown defenders but he has some of the best offensive shooting talent in the NBA, arguably all time. Btw Tristan Thompson the last few years prior to this regular season was being compared to Dennis Rodman for his rebounding btw. TT had his minutes cut and lebron and others were running rebounds this year which cut into TT's numbers btw but look at what happened as soon as they gave TT his minutes back this playoffs, dude went ham and got damn near 10 rebounds in a half and has averaged over 10 in the last several games he's had most of his minutes back in the playoffs. I don't remember Jordan having a Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, etc level players offensively btw.

[@XKobe]

Pippen was a nobody early in his career - Michael made him. Lebron had Wade & Bosh, then Love & Kyrie. His teams have been stacked more than MJ's Bulls ever was.

[@shadowwrld24]

LeBronto Raptors lebron doesnt want a coach “with a brain” bc a coach with a brain would not let him run the point which would mean he woudnt get triple doubles and he probably wouldnt score over 20 per game

[@sbach695]

that makes no sense

[@jothicker]

We remember the physical thrashing Mike received at the hands of the Bad Boys ft. Joey Do, the "Jordan Stopper." Those lessons transformed Mike into a basketball god. The young wirey upstart changed his body and developed his perimeter game to perfection and precision. Bron was always a physical marvel. His offensive development along with emotional growth turned "manchild" into a man. Those are legends and legacies that resonate.

[@Afric808]

Cavs win with or without kyrie you guys forget who lebron is

[@MrMuaythai84]

yeah the choker whiney who ran to miami to win a ring. without kyrie he wouldnt even beat the warriors that year so stop acting like he can do it all

[@kyahbitter.5485]

Phon Xieng what? kyrie is the one who can beat the warriors? are you nuts or something? Kyrie Will not go to the finals if lebron comes back to cleveland.

[@kyahbitter.5485]

Phon Xieng so shame on you

[@skelleytor]

Not Michael Jordan

[@SonOfPsalms23]

People forget that kyrie made the right plays to seal their champions, if it wasn’t for him they wouldn’t have won anything!!! Then after all that Lebron got all the praise for it!! I would have left too

[@djjohnson3606]

Everyone calm down! This is Lebron James we’re talking about. Did y’all forget he’s one of the 🐐?

[@ATLzay]

You would think people would stop doubting us. You doubted us against Bucks look what happened. You doubted us against Philly look what happened. This is the worst the Cavs have been in the past 3 years. If Pacers took them to game 7 I'm confident Brad and the guys can too. All these fucking Cavs bandwagons screaming Sweep are gonna be suprised. No one expected for GSW to blow a 3-1 lead. Anything can happen. Don't count us out till the series is over

[@ZxngLi]

Don't delete this comment

[@dereckhenson2051]

You say Pacers took LeBron to 7, but you guys got taken to 7 basically by Giannis and 2 damn role players. Lebron *swept* the 1st seed 59 win team who would probably beat you guys in the playoffs. You ain't beatin Lebron.

[@jordana8161]

L and sweep

[@briteslider]

I love your spirit, but y’all gonna lose

[@KooNap]

You are not really Kyrie...sit. 😑

[@levargrace5246]

15 years and it's still Damned if you do and Damned if you don't. Unbelievable.

[@RatchetSprite1]

3:53 And how many times did MJ lose before the finals SAS?

[@martyg2333]

Bro, just a word of advice. I would stop using this as a point of argument. It makes you sound like you've only been watching basketball for about 10 years, or since Lebron came into the league. Basically it makes you sound like you're about 15 years old.

[@kevinflowers463]

Is the standard winning a ring or just making the finals?

[@Sequel7]

Cant wait til Sunday

[@dawkinfreak20]

ugh i miss kobe

[@bryanbrodie94]

dawkinfreak20 i miss pierce

[@negritanegrita1889]

i mean kobe wasn’t doing shit after 2009?? soooo you should be use to it by now

[@Vondeegaming]

Negrita Negrita didn't he win a chip the next year?

[@negritanegrita1889]

Von dee Gaming well after that he wasn’t doing nothing

[@coreydon7097]

The reason the 6-0 matters in NBA Finals when comparing MJ to LBJ is because when you're at the elite level the only thing that matters is winning titles and MJ is not only unblemished but they never went to a game 7. All the other narratives being brought up about 6 or 9 winning seasons, losing in the 1st round etc... is for analytics. LBJ has achieved statistics that MJ never had and MJ has statistics that LBJ will never get. So comparing LeBron to MJ comes down to the bottom line NBA Finals and let's be honest, the Cavs ain't beating either the Warriors or the Rockets so now where talking 6 NBA Finals losses.

[@mr.towler4780]

Don't matter either way, I'm tired of LeBron and Golden State making it to the finals. I want a different match up, no offense to the die hard Bron fans.

[@Antonio25668]

I just want a different team from the west to make it.

[@Juscallmemav]

Give me Rockets Celts but I'm sick of seeing the same teams... East it's Cavs Celts or whatever team Bron on... Out west its always GS Spurs or LA. Dal & okc both got one that's cool. But not enough

[@Tsheed1]

To me losing the Eastern Conference Finals to a bunch of role players without any of their star guys is way worse than losing to a team with a full roster. That would be downright embarrassing. So I'm with Max on this one 💯💥

[@dkimmortal]

At the Apex of ability, Jordan

[@truthsyrum4859]

dkimmortal 15 years in.. LeBron hasnt reached the apex of ability

[@Frozilla15]

dkimmortal Apex of ability in a weak era.

[@tyronnehayes1378]

First Last they need to be real. LeBron is still only 33. They keep saying 15 yrs. he’s 33. Jordan at 33 although was in his 13th season was still 33. Compare them at those ages. Even Kobe at 33 was still a monster. Jordan in his 15th season. Had came back off retirement and damn near 40 if not. These analysts need to stop

[@imprinceshandy]

Frozilla15 lol jordan wouldve choked if he face gsw rn lets be honest here divkhead

[@anthonyclark829]

Frozilla15 6'8 260 is 6'8 260 in any era people said jordan era was more physical but if u put lebron and jordan on the football field lebron would be the better athlete

[@CycleCruza]

That sucks Kyrie can't play, it will be EPIC to see Lebron Vs Kyrie.

[@1986-r2c]

Cavs in 4 over Boston. Kyrie & Hayward makes no difference.

[@xTenaciousC]

Why does the title not include Max?

[@bladedagreat5642]

Bos in 6 unless bron planning on dropping 60 a night

[@Spazlites]

That GamerKobe straight up....i remember when they all said Philly will kill Celtics then Toronto will destroy the cavs lol...now they've changed to cavs will beat Celtics....smh their so called analysis and predictions are hot garbage

[@noufalansari4152]

What happened last summer? Kyrie wanted to be ‘the man’ and left LeBron. How is that because of LeBron?

[@lennymitchell8254]

I like these Celtics fanboys thinking that they actually have a shot against Lebron 😂😂

[@BuckarooBanzai-]

No, we want cavs to go to finals... so warriors can sweep the shit outta them..lol 3-6 coming hot!

[@hardythomas21]

Gerrard Israel Laraga hell i wish god gave me the talent to go 3-6 i. the nba finals don't you?

[@hardythomas21]

Gerrard Israel Laraga y'all talk the most shit over the internet id beat the living shit out your punk ass in person so keep internet thuggin

[@hardythomas21]

Yung Draco the same steroid that nba test for every year?

[@lennymitchell8254]

Gerrard Israel Laraga warriors ain’t have a clear sweep this playoffs They not sweeping shit gtfoh

[@Alkalite]

Definitely have to agree with Max. SAS isn't making much sense to me here.

[@kingwani8248]

Incoming the east is weak comments

[@lucasbm1310]

King Wani east is weak 🤭

[@gml3370]

Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that Mr. Krabs absolutely slept on the idea of pretty patties and almost went out of business

[@dereckhenson2051]

He'd still beat the Celtics even with Kyrie Irving.

[@andredavis8824]

Dereck Henson with gordon hayward full strength team boy you drunk Lmao

[@imnotcreativeimc1415]

They prob gonna lose anyways. Celtics are going to the finals.

[@martyg2333]

Based on what exactly? The fact that bench player Jason Terry tore him up in the 2011 Finals? Terry averaged more points with a higher shooting % while averaging 11 less minutes per game. Soooo again....your statement is base on what exactly?

[@belendaniel1850]

He's lucky kyrie not there it would be a clean sweep.

[@kinsoncooper7333]

That's right Max.... No Excuses... Now hold SAS to that standard.

[@DeeboGreen]

So Joe Montana better that Brady because he never lost in a super bowl lmao These analyst are so predictable. It’s a team sport you clowns

[@deciuswtasby]

FHGM Tv exactly

[@kevinflowers463]

Brady has more rings though....you would have a case if lebron had more rings than MJ but lost a couple finals as well. MJ literally has double the amount of rings of lebron in the same amount of time. "its a team sport you clowns" so are you saying that when lebron makes it to the finals its because he is getting help? Just asking because it seems like if lebron wins he did it by himself and its not a team sport and when he loses all the sudden it becomes a team sport and he has no help.

[@GhettoJesus23]

I wouldnt know what to do if I was Lebron dealing with the media lmao.

[@ssaiyan4m]

I cant stand this dude

[@dionmitchell3793]

I would've love it to see LeBron vs Kyrie in this eastern conference finals but it's still will be a good series.

[@kevinthompson4290]

Stephen a is right anit no comparison to MJ

[@JohnJohnson-my8zg]

Kevin Thompson never should have been

[@Rouchieman]

If if if if if if if if if, that’s what they should call this show

[@nexxlevel4590]

I’ll say it again: EVERYTIME Lebron wins it’s because he did it. EVERYTIME he loses it’s the team and lack of help smh. EVERYTIME!!!

[@NJglorifiedcrew]

well when leBron is averaging a 35 point triple double and nobody else scores more than 15 you have to wonder.

[@nexxlevel4590]

Adam Nelson I just want Westbrook to get the same excuses

[@NJglorifiedcrew]

Westbrook did get them excuses last year.

[@NJglorifiedcrew]

If PG and Melo were playing with LeBron they'd have a legit shot against Golden State

[@nexxlevel4590]

Adam Nelson I disagree. I think Melo is complete garbage now and is the definition of a defensive liability. And I think PG was exposed for being a slightly better JR Smith. On Monday he can shoot, on Tuesday he’s off. Only reason they’d be better with Lebron is cuz it’s the east but both players got exposed this season imo

[@ferraripure9970]

Green was consistent the whole series ,J.R played good 3 of 4 games

[@bonafidesagG88]

Funny how people just act like Kobe never played. This dude had almost more 60pt games (6) than Lebron had 50 pt games(10) and im talking career. Hell Kobe had 4 or 5 games straight where he hit 50 or more and in a total of 15 yrs Lebron only has 10. And those points didn't come from bully ball and just running over people for easy dunks, Kobe was waay more highly skilled than Lebron will ever be!

[@Juscallmemav]

I've said this if it wasn't for LeBron being 6'8 260 give or take gee would not dominate the same. Remember when he lost that weight that one season he was not as effective as he normally is. His technical basketball skills are good but not great, he's just has that black panther purple heart herb in him makes him super human... By that I mean he's juicing! Naw I'm kidding I hope not..

[@bonafidesagG88]

Brand Mav'rick while you b.sin I've always thought that dude was more juiced than a Florida orange farm..he's a great player and I don't want to take that away from him but Kobe and Jordan are on another plateau ..numbers only tell half the story

[@bonafidesagG88]

Nathan Tavares that must be some good ass weed you smoking

[@bonafidesagG88]

Nathan Tavares when a person relies on stats it's lets me know that they don't really know hoops..i don't need stats to know what I saw ..stats only count in boxing

[@dereckhenson2051]

Varney Burrell refute his argument, he never did use any "stats" he still stated pure facts you're not arguing against. It's because you can't and you Kobetards start referring to "hurr durr muh muh mamba mentality, uh uh stats don't mean nuffin". Lol

[@allstarwook]

This why I salute Bron. Everybody else get pass after pass or get this underdog view. Most don't take the game serious enough to elevate their game. They have a bad moment it's talked about for a day or so and all forgiven. Common sense Cavs don't stand a chance against the Warriors. Bron gone be Bron but they losing. Instead of DeRozan getting blasted as a player, the basic jokes happened instead of folks challenging him to work in the summer and develop his game

[@tristanstanley7239]

lebron is the goat

[@BrianCheng24]

Jonathan Pack LeBum

[@ratkovac7]

You probably only follow nba by watching talk shows, and you probably started "watching" at 2013

[@thegreatone9850]

DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO JORDAN??

[@nate8238]

False

[@j_quan2594]

Kanal1 Why did you quote watching

[@davidornelas3326]

5 mvp’s > 4 mvp’s 6 rings > 3 rings 6 FMVP’s > 3 FMVP’s 10 scoring titles > 1 scoring title 1 DPOY > 0 DPOY For the Lechoke fans that argue Jordan fans only have the rings argument.

[@redskinsfan4458]

Kyrie is a bum they need to trade him for kawhi and start rozier that’s lit

[@hellobill5329]

Terry hasn’t shown enough to get rid of a top 3 pg

[@oscarmike1131]

Redskinsfan 445 stay off the weed fam

[@twobuffaloeshadtodietomake2951]

Redskinsfan 445 why are u a Redskins fan and still have Kirk Cousins as ur profile pick??

[@ronboss_0840]

Rozier ain’t in the same “league” Kyrie fym

[@mikemadden4084]

Mike K absolutely! L 'll

[@top10intheworld56]

3:06 What is Max talking about here?? Brad Stevens has been able to figure out a way to beat LeBron or did I hear it wrong??

[@BrockPageProductions]

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[@tonyshlean]

Lebrun is always playing with house money according to these ppl

[@alexchen7381]

they should be talking about a cavs sweep smh...

[@youngluke3206]

Kd joined the warriors for a championship but then asserted himself as a threat on the warriors thats why we forgot about the bandwagoned ring. It was matched with his talent

[@PearlJamGuy10]

"His team mates don't show up, he never has/had enough help" is all testimony to the fact that his ball-dominant style of play does not elevate his team mates or make them better/greater. That alone ends all MJ comparisons.

[@Hyperion_Dark]

I hate how people bring up Jordan's championships vs Lebrons. Jordan had Pippen, a HOF top 5 all time in his position, the best rebounder ever, and a ton of excellent role players. The bulls were 10x better as a team than the Cavs or the Heat. Championships are a team effort, that's not a fair comparison.

[@aideethree3]

Stephen A has a valid argument in a psychological point view. It is what the people would remember.

[@TimDaGoof]

Losing to a team with their two best players out is terrible O.o

[@grkdude405]

Yet Jordan lost 3 times in the first round and played against janitors in the finals

[@MrTdollarsign]

The media really gonna say Lebron vs the Celtics smh, i thought basketball was a team sport

[@andraecusdavis3702]

What Stephen A.'s point is, and I don't agree with him often, is that it's CAVS vs CELTICS without Kyrie there. There can always be talk that the other CAVS players didn't show up and one LeBron cannot beat a TEAM. However, with the Kyrie and LeBron drama it then becomes Kyrie vs LeBron. And Robin beating Batman stands out more than Batman losing to the Teen Titans.

[@killertofu]

The ooze of salt is dripping from the mouth of Stephen a jones still till this day after LeBron son’d him 😂