Stephen A. to Pat Bev: Just because you're honest doesn't mean you're right! | First Take

Stephen A. Smith and Pat Beverley go at it discussing James Harden.
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[@dreday674]

I actually like it when Stephen A has a point and isn't just yelling lol

[@jamalrogers5805]

Take out the actually

[@teamgreats4084]

I've been supporting Pat Bell for the last 2 days on every show all the KZbin outlets go look me up I've been giving him his props but Stephen A today this segment right here probably one of my all-time favorite Steven A, he broke this down where there's no escape

[@erinmeggik391]

Facts can't be disputed

[@dreday674]

@@jamalrogers5805 duly noted

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

I disagree and here's why. AS A BLACK MAN, I DON'T NEED A POINT, AND I AIN'T YELLING I JUST TALK LOUD, let's just get that out of the way. - SAS

[@numba1stunna885]

Pat Bev has some decent insight but his overwhelming bias toward certain players is impossible to ignore.

[@madhands9887]

That's everyone on every show in sports.

[@numba1stunna885]

Madhands that’s true but Pat Bev takes it to the extreme. I mean his blinding love for James Harden makes him unable to accept the fact that Harden has indeed lost a step and ain’t the same guy, and that makes it hard to take him serious. He’s trying to deny something that we all can see clear as day. Even when you take into account they were teammates and are probably still close, you still gotta expect him to be able to separate that to some degree when he’s on there as an analyst.

[@kungfukenny1540]

@@madhands9887 facts

[@JasonNahRealFitSG]

@@numba1stunna885 I agree 100 with you... would he be willing to say that about Booker or even CP3? Hahahaha ... So much for giving people their flowers

[@johnnybrison4150]

how when harden was in Houston scoring they was saying that style isn't going to win lol now he sharing the ball they still critical. hypocrites lol

[@bigpoppa6658]

Math teacher " 1+1 = 2" Pat Bev "1 what? 1 ball? 1 jersey? 1 pair of shoes? You have to be specific. I'm a detailed person"

[@HR-ms6ed]

🤣🤣 this explains everything 💯

[@bigp74gd]

Pat Bev's argument for James Harden proves he has an issue with Chris Paul

[@Big803Joe]

Yes and it’s personal too

[@RellyRell-ud3iz]

Facts cuz Harden is trash now

[@bettercallmaul5810]

Harden blew games 7 in Houston against GSW because he choked without CP3.

[@jurrienmindblownjones2944]

Sure you think your FRIEND deserves a supermax... pat chill dude

[@jarrethg4875]

Stephen A just schooled him!

[@fthenonasian3505]

If you love your friend you must tell them the truth even if it hurts their feeling is still better than lying to your friend

[@eddycantu5354]

Rockets fan, 100% correct

[@YaHeardFam]

Facts

[@cordelljohn4928]

Yeah true but if Pat Bev isn’t truly doing that cuz there are people who do keep it honest 100%. Based off what he is saying is according to ESPN and etc. Harden should get the Supermax. Tbh I don’t know uh player more nowadays dat put up 22 9 n 8 that wouldn’t get supermax. Because of the fact if you were so supportive of a team to bring a player like Harden in knowing his limits and injury that same confidence should be in that check to. The confidence out of mouth and money dont fit if theirs something wrong with either.

[@metalpharaoh3025]

@@cordelljohn4928 if you think current James harden is worth a Supermax there’s no hope for you.

[@lahnex27]

@@metalpharaoh3025 top 4 shoot guard all time…people should be more positive I feel sheesh Anthony Davis did worst but I’m sure he would get his money tho 💯

[@SSJRome]

Stephen A speaking facts it sounds like James harden getting the super max benefits Patrick Beverley with the way he’s arguing for it for him

[@NotExplicable]

Lots of partying

[@SSJRome]

@@NotExplicable lots of strip club ammo

[@greatest599]

@@SSJRome strip club ammo lol

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

You just can't defend Harden after his game 7 performance. You pay all that money and make that commitment just for him to meltdown in the playoffs

[@Nope-gf9nr]

They lost in 6 I think.

[@raheem1447]

Rs I’m the biggest sixers fan and I think we should’ve kept curry over him

[@marckie1092]

Harden not getting the supermax. It was already reported that he was gonna accept his player option as one of the conditions of the trade. They just missed the deadline is all. Why is this a topic

[@michaeltadros3151]

They talked about the Lakers a couple of days ago too I think 😂

[@jamalrogers5805]

SaS hatin on another black man trying to mess up his money 💰 good job . Y’all would never say this about a white guy or bi racial or another race. Only black. ..

[@sobversion3]

They're just being forward thinking; he can still get a supermax after next season when he becomes a free agent and the Lakers are the Lakers and have Lebron James; there's always a conversation to be had with that organization

[@mastercrossoverreturns]

He didn’t live up to expectations

[@Shortballa11]

He obviously taking the option that’s 40millipn this coming year. That has nothing to do with the extension that they are working on this summer

[@essj3334]

"Just because you're honest doesn't mean you're right" and the same applies to SAS always shouting like a fool.

[@gregordrizzlewing7339]

@dflowers30 facts. Like Ric Flair in this bih

[@askyourwhoremother3292]

Lol the fact you’re so angry about how SAS acts on TV just proves how stupid you are 🤡

[@juliocastaneda5940]

Here's the thing, Harden still is a star in this league, he still can ball out and no one is debating that fact, but you can't honestly say he's worth supermax dollars when his play has dropped off appreciably since his injury. Added to the fact of his play in these playoffs just added to this argument of him not deserving of a supermax today, plus add his resume of playoff failures in the past, plus the fact he forced his way out of both Houston and Brooklyn, and in both circumstances out of shape. Don't get me wrong 22/10/8 are excellent stats for anyone, but when your Harden, who just like four years ago was an MVP, averaging roughly 28 points over the last several years before his injury to now just more a facilitator than a scoring machine. He's not the Houston guy anymore, so to me it's difficult to justify him getting supermax or max dollars when his production has slipped noticably this season. Now maybe he gets back into shape to garter a supermax next season if he does indeed opt in his 47 mil this season, and he better because I have serious doubts if he does have an inkling to opt out, he will not get the supermax with the 76'ers. I just don't see it happening, but again there will be teams that would sign him a max deal outside of Philadelphia, it always happens. To me he's gonna have to prove next season he can perform near what he was capable of doing before his injury to earn that max.

[@lpjs96]

Great take

[@Uniquelyuzi]

he's declining

[@juliocastaneda5940]

@@Uniquelyuzi then I promise you this, they will be hard pressed the 76ers organization to pay Harden over 250 mil over five years. The only monkey wrench that happens is that Harden and Morey are buddy buddies, but I can't see them paying Harden that money after all his resume in the playoffs speaks for itself. Harden seriously needs to opt in and prove it first or he's gonna be gone from Philadelphia because he's not taking anything less than max dollars if he opts out, and after all the mess Ben Simmons created for Philadelphia, they aren't going to spend more cap space on a declining player that is Harden.

[@OhGeeGanksta]

Nah. He's an all-star at most now. He ain't no superstar anymore.

[@juliocastaneda5940]

@@OhGeeGanksta again that's what I believe also, Harden is still an All-Star level talent, that's why I believe he needs to re-up his last year, to prove to us that these past two season were flukes and he can return near to what he was prior to injury. Do I think that will happen? Honestly no I don't because his work ethic has dropped off just as much as his play. If he comes back next season the same as he has the past two season... Then it's a lock he won't get max money anywhere let alone Philadelphia. That's all assuming he does re-up, if he don't, I don't anticipate Philly supermaxing his deal either. Not after the fiasco with Ben Simmons. They would be very stupid to do so with Joel entering his prime and the team wasting it on Harden who is a declining all star talent.. As much as Harden and Moody are so buddy buddy, the organization itself isn't going to throw $250+ million out the door either if his play doesn't qualify near that.

[@leroywoodside2698]

Steven A., you don’t see the hurt in this man’s face? This is about the ending of his friend’s career. And possibly the coming ending of his career. This is the truth but it hurts. That’s why Patrick is fighting.

[@endothenotsogreatgamer9554]

That's not hurt in that man's face. That's just how is face looks....hurt. sitting up there looking like e.t. with braids That's that man permanent look. If anything it was a look of embarrassment because Steven a made him look stupid with his take.

[@libanyusuf197]

I understand pat bevs logic, but you can’t go off of hardens previous resume. Only time I would do that is if he was a bit younger maybe 25-27 because you are beginning to enter your prime and you can bank on a player getting better. He’s 32 now and he had a bad performance in the playoffs so it seems he’s on a decline rather than incline. Max money but not super max

[@dripreapers]

Matt Barnes was right about Patrick Beverly

[@dextermills8168]

How ?

[@arsmith8063]

what he say

[@OhGeeGanksta]

@@arsmith8063 That Bev a clown, just missing the red nose. If dude wasn't capping, then he actually stupid.

[@kevinmeagher7442]

Harden did exactly what CP3 did...he didnt show up. Pat Bev's brother is probably second on the list of "fall apart in the playoff" guys, riiight behind CP3, who he hates. I wish he would make at least one logical point in 2 days.

[@RedemptionInChrist.]

First off james harden is easily first on that list.

[@BayAreaHoops415]

Lmao he’s given a ton of great insight last couple days stop it. Don’t pretend he’s just been spewing non sense with everything he says just because you don’t agree with this point

[@HeyWhatsupKev]

@@BayAreaHoops415 please highlight some insider points he's made. He's basically said 3 things on repeat - 1. CP3 sucks 2. Harden deserves a super max 3. A variety of disagreements with SAS on what role players can do. Give me something....

[@BayAreaHoops415]

@@HeyWhatsupKev I mean those were literally the 3 main topics they had him talk on lmao but he also gave his finals predictions, Lakers perspective, what makes Luka and Curry hard to guard and gave a level of player analysis on those topics. Or would you rather watch SAS because that’s what drove a lot of people away from ESPN. People are finally starting to watch these because of guys like JJ and Pat Bev.

[@HeyWhatsupKev]

@@BayAreaHoops415 he didnt give any insightful responses we havent heard. "How do you prepare for Steph and the Warriors?" "Get a good night's sleep." Really? Let's stop pretending like Bev is some sort of insightful analyst who is giving us new info. And dont even put JJ and Bev in the same sentence lol now i can tell you barely watch ESPN. One is a paid analyst, the other is a salty role player who brought nothing to the table.

[@mirzasinggih]

U know Chris Paul has actually been to the finals as a leader of the team, Stephen A is right as much as i love Harden if Pat Bev talk like that about CP he shouldnt be saying James Harden deserves the max

[@roshipanda27]

this time i can genuinely say stephen a is right

[@respectbegetsrespect6019]

Well said SAS! 👏

[@rickyyg26]

I need me a friend like Pat

[@gandheeznuts4893]

And here I was thinking Pat Beverly was going to be the arbiter of perfect truth and impartiality

[@SankofaNYC]

Just cause you are honestly doesn't mean you are right... So real

[@mistaknewitall2718]

The Character Assassins!!

[@miz369]

ESPN said we got a new hot take get him back, he’s off anyway

[@toreytownsend4705]

LOL!!!!

[@EricAllenDolphy245]

Excellent point Steven A , few people who are in the Media Seat can get it Done and Get it Right, but you just Did!

[@droolalot5795]

So you advocate him trying his hardest to get another man paid less.

[@altair769]

For a change, Stephen A Smith is spitting FACTS!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lmt-adventures620]

The beauty in it is that Pat knows his bias, and he is entertaining us with it

[@humphreyurban90]

Stephen A. Made a great point!!👍🏾

[@KennethWrites]

Coming from Stephen "I'm Just Being Honest" Smith.

[@localcelebrity2972]

Where's Pat Bev rebuttal? Video cut way to short!

[@funkadelic4life]

Sometimes when you're too close to something or somebody you might not be able to be fair or objective

[@PercyMac192]

the face on pats face when SAS brought up CP - Pat hates CP so much

[@blackdiamond306]

Patrick Beverly definitely has a future as a sports analysis 🧐

[@monsutaman1]

Everywhere you turn, media personnel are taking personal shots at the players. Therefore, you see fans feeling embolden to do the same, hence these disrespectful fan interactions

[@benana87]

But sas didnt say anything personal about hardens game.he let philly and embiid down

[@evenebrown7353]

I agree, it is OK to point out basketball performances but sometimes media and fans go overboard. Everyone has a favorite player but does that mean we have to demean another player to prop up our favorite. That is what I feel pat bev doing, putting down cp3 to build up his friend James harden

[@mikewu5454]

Hope Harden will fully recover next season like CP3 in 19

[@Lilcaxhy]

thank you Steven A

[@datsapaddlin6449]

LMAO that’s a good quote 😂.

[@jabr1076]

Respect to pat bev. He is actually a good analyst

[@droolalot5795]

I DISAGREE with anyone trying to get someone paid less. Now when the athletes go to ESPN and say. Smith makes too much. Pay him less on his next contract. How about that. Keep your mouth out of other people's pockets. Paul and harden have the same amount of championships.

[@mattblock6616]

And Paul doesn't have a super max contract

[@DukesVerrill]

Pat is basically Harden's "Yes man". You don't want that around you, give you the brutal truth.

[@Flyc2]

Yes man go call make you crash out or lie to you

[@JohnSmith-nm4zd]

Pet Bev looks like he's at the principal's office

[@_YourFlyIsOpen]

Stephen A is right here

[@razinredzuan1165]

Harden's regressed for sure, but why does everyone forget he sacrificed himself for the Nets by playing on that injured hammy for like the whole game with barely any rest? It's not like he lost a step because he wasn't taking care of himself, it's probably because he forced himself to play for the Nets. And then he sees the Nets coddle a guy who didn't want to play, while he sacrificed for them and was being treated with negativity, it makes sense why he did what he did to leave

[@MrKobedagreat24]

I mean he did gain wait the year he wanted to get traded out of houston

[@keynojuan]

Y’all was talking about Chris Paul like this too after that final year in Houston 😂😂

[@supermanthathoe6701]

The Point God

[@pauljohnson842]

Stephen A, though sometimes overbearing, has a unique style that is pretty cool when he gives other people a turn to speak.

[@jonnydavis6066]

Harden deserves the supermax👏👏👏

[@DetectiveMcGarnacle]

Stephen a smith to pat bev: how high can you jump? Pat bev: what planet are we on?

[@judedouardchenet]

How you give Harden a pass but not CP3. At least CP3 went to the finals. Harden disappears whenever the burden gets heavier.

[@Matthew-oq1hx]

Cp3 and harden both only have been to the finals once in they career 😂😂😂

[@judedouardchenet]

@@Matthew-oq1hx oh snap you’re right. Forgot about 2012. But he wasn’t a main star though and disappeared. Probably why I forgot about him 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@bryptoTips]

@@judedouardchenet Chris Paul was in the finals last year James harden was in the finals 11 years ago. So mentioning that appearance is pointless.

[@darrylroberts5475]

@@bryptoTips Yes, there’s no point to bring up Harden playing in the finals back in 2012. Acting like he was KD or Westbrook.

[@OneFoursEmperor]

Espn in Beverly ear like stop pulling your beard hair on national television.

[@mikediazArtist]

Stephen A took what Joel said out of context. Joel said that Harden isnt that player in Houston anymore because that kind of play that is mostly iso ball has a ceiling where u can score 30 or 40 and get great numbers but the team doesn’t win. It’s the same thing with Westbrook. Both get great stats as individual players but they need to change their game to be more team oriented so the team can win. And that’s why Joel said he is not that player anymore, cuz harden is not gonna just play iso ball, get 40 and still lose. harden is a great player but it will take time to adjust and adapt to a different kind of play. The challenge for the sixers coach now is to create a team system that will use Joel’s and hardens talents to their advantage. And u can’t do that in half a season. Next year they’ll be better, I’m sure they’ll work on chemistry over the summer

[@David-fn8un]

Agree with Stephen 💯

[@mr.wilson1975]

didn't think ANYbody could a worse "analyst" than Ryan Hollins, dare i say- i stand corrected.

[@cthagreat326]

The first 2 minutes of this you can tell ESPN told Pat and SA to get their 💩 together during a commercial break 😂

[@MorrisB3]

Pat on that stuff. lol

[@PatrickStarfist]

Pat is so unapologetic its so entertaining

[@deluxeh0]

Pat wants harden to buy him a new car with that supermax

[@ChesterWilsonJr]

The 76ers needs to get Patrick Beverley period

[@t.p.a.7897]

Chris Paul by far one of the best beast at his respected positions. Pat B is another baller. Love what both bring to there teams. Ignore the small BS talk. Its just what SAS does for a living... gotta talk about petty stuff

[@KG-tm7xv]

I never ever in my life saw somebody wearing a pat bev jersey lmaoooooo

[@adidas20zero]

Let's call it what it is, James Harden a great REGULAR SEASON talent. Playoffs he can't handle the pressure and he cracks!!! Second he play one way and refuse to adjust to others!!!

[@ATrueProHero]

KEEP PATRICK BEVERLY ON ESPN

[@JohnDoe-hr9fr]

Another L take from Pat Bev. It doesn't take a basketball genius to see that Harden is washed. If you pair an almost-MVP in Embiid with a player that supposedly deserves a supermax, how are you going to barely scrape into the second round of the playoffs? Pat Bev really gonna roast CP3, a guy who Bev clearly has bias against after he slapped him out of the playoffs last year so hard that he got traded multiple times, and yet praise Harden, a guy who has consistently gotten worse over the last two years

[@WolfishSupremacy]

I’m back watching first take again smh 😂

[@chase242k]

super max for harden is ridiculous 😂

[@Jorges2jorges]

You can not give the super max to a player who disappears in May.

[@robertdepesci3418]

Bev looks like black krusty klown

[@rashadsmith6911]

Stephen A is telling all facts...

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Pat Bev needa stay off TV now. Had enough lmao

[@pronobb8104]

Pat definitely getting a cut from Harden if he indeed gets the supermax 😂

[@BlvckScale]

Pat Bev is biased about everything. Love the dude and I’m sure ratings are rocketing with him on but he needs to learn how to be a true analyst. Everything’s personal with him

[@johnplusart]

Pat Bev speaks true but it’s also double standards when it’s about CP.

[@cliftonford748]

Supermax was on the table and he didn't show up. For WHATEVER reason, he didn't show up.

[@stevee.4869]

Pat Bev arguing from the standpoint of loyalty to a friend. Stephen A. argued from Harden's performance. Harden did not show up. Max contract for a man that shot less shots than one of the Heat's bench players? I think not. Sixers would be crazy to do that. I would rather see them give Maxey a max contract than Harden. At least you know Maxey gonna show up and give you 100% every game.

[@mark90bpm]

I’m a huge sizers fan…I’m here say if the sizers didn’t have harden down the stretch they don’t get the seeding they got, maxey game would’ve developed the way it did in the final months of the season and they lose in the first round to Toronto I read all these post that Harden feel off but why listen to this one of the great basketball minds , pat Beverly is saying which basically the defensive packages put against James harden meant to lock him and if you don’t have the best coaching behind you then you get shut down and made a shell of yourself. Houston Mike Dantoni was his coach and told the media harden would put historical numbers in “his” system….was he wrong? Harden will adjust as long as the sizers front office makes adjustments . Fact is Embid great as he is…gets hurts every season it seems which is no fault to him…then you expect MVP James harden when the sizers offensive scheme doesn’t warrant his “mvp” style of play. Overall the league in this post season the refs are inconsistent in there calls for the stars…let’s be honest… Back to harden super max. Why not ? Victor oladipo making 20 million plus coming off the bench and coming off ripping his quad off the bone . Why are so concerned about what money is going into this man pockets in the first place…saying why deserves..what he’s worth…none of know the back stories of what’s going on as there two sides the story . Me personally think he just locked up and didn’t play well as he could….fact is James harden is baller and went into a slump , it happens. If the sixers win the heat series no one talking this mess about how trash the all pro basketball player is…doc rivers once again was out coached by Spotra…he’s been out coached numerous times by his peers and still keeps getting top tiered contracts as coach…let’s speak on that fact.

[@Gojosrevenge]

Had bev silent 😂😂

[@dwaynejohnson3757]

Steven A vs James Harding. On the Court

[@plugdn1917]

Not personal, Bev... just his opinion

[@bolo5190]

Stephen A definitely won this argument in my opinion.. but at the same time Beverly is interesting to listen to.

[@ifyoudontworkyoudonteat7644]

Finally someone who can shut molly up

[@tomm5516]

The question isn't if James Harden deserves a super max, the question is who are the 76ers going to replace James Harden with. Once they say no to the super max deal, James Harden will say "I dont want to be here anymore". If I was Daryl Morey, I would pick up the phone and call Portland. Offer James Harden, Tobias, and a pick for Dame. Harden isnt worth a super max but you have to prepare for his departure when you say no.

[@wheelworld266]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@EyeBelieveSo]

Why is Bev still here? He’s like a 9 year old with an attitude problem

[@jamalrogers5805]

SaS hatin on another black man trying to mess up his money 💰 good job . Y’all would never say this about a white guy or bi racial or another race. Only black. ..

[@whatchutalkinabout1206]

discuss this trade options if he aint good no more. next

[@justinwalker615]

Being honest you’re always right un less you like to have things on both sides of the field and play games with facts.

[@HusseinSabbagh]

being honest doesn't mean you're right... you can be an honest idiot and be wrong about everything. honest just means you're telling what you think is the truth, not what is the truth.

[@jamalrogers5805]

SaS hatin on another black man trying to mess up his money 💰 good job . Y’all would never say this about a white guy or bi racial or another race. Only black. ..

[@sakamoto8354]

It's like this; you killed the person you hated the most and you want to get away with it but someone had a hunch that it is you so do you want to confess or not? You can be honest about it or lie and hire a lawyer so you have a chance to get away with it. The honest part is you confess and right one is hire a lawyer and get away with it because you have no intentions to confess it.

[@justinwalker615]

@@HusseinSabbagh that’s hilarious how can you be honest idiot of course there’s a lot of stupid people out in the world but if they’re being honest and they say the sky is blue and you say well today I feel like it’s purple that doesn’t mean they’re stupid because they don’t wanna have an imagination or a Fictionary story to speak to everyone just to feel good or maybe get attention or maybe even change the narrative of color in general. Do we really have that much time in life to be talking about the most idiotic things available just to change something that never needed to be changed in the first place. Man people love to waste their lives on the stupidest things

[@lmt-adventures620]

Stephen A either really good or really annoying! He was really good in this one ☝️

[@NM-qo6cd]

I swear that injury Harden had during the 2021 playoffs changed him forever...

[@nipunchawla]

Sas low key totally in love with pat bev

[@bayodaman]

Bro it's not that SAS just knows TV like think about it. Even his greatest hater comes back daily just to hate. You think if it matters if they come back to hate or love SAS? No, they just want them views lol and he knows how to get them.

[@fallonmip6541]

He need the Mohawk back

[@DaLumpy1]

Beard Science. Maaaaaaan… the cats over there at ESPN really know what they’re doing

[@adrianphang1473]

🔥

[@naptownballa21]

I’m cool on the Pat Bev hot take press run…When and why did we start caring so much about what he feels?

[@aaronx8006]

This Steven A speaks like a hustler 😂🤣

[@agnt_moe0813]

I don’t think Harden deserves the max but if he opt out which he most likely will, Sixers have to offer him a max level contract or he’ll leave. Unless sixers want to lose Harden for nothing they’ll give him the money.

[@Shortballa11]

Despite what ppl say. Sixers have all the leverage. He can opt in make 40mil this coming year (which he ain’t worth) and then have a brand new longterm contract with the sixers. Regardless if it’s not the super max he will still make more money in a sixers uniform than anywhere else.

[@NotExplicable]

Maybe if he was in shape he wouldn't have been injured in Brooklyn

[@DigigodGamer]

give harden the max the process is officially over. Harden cant blow by anyone when he gets the ball the offense stops so easy to defend din the playfoffs

[@Eric3hree]

Stephen A: "Chris Paul is recognized as one the elite point Guards to have ever played the game of basketball." Pat Bev's Face: 2:25

[@inquizative44]

Hamstrings take a very long time to fully heal. The 76ers need to wait and play a whole season with Har den before you can conclude that he's washed up. Relax folks and be patient.

[@gabedavila1842]

Pat making moves since he ain’t got none 😂

[@rellianos1727]

Pat bev has a point 22-8-9 wit Joel Embiid on your team is the same as LeBrons 25-8-8 with Anthony Davis

[@ibrahimharris6074]

For once. Stephen a is correct