Stephen A., Will and Max debate: Is LeBron James right about double standards? | First Take | ESPN

Stephen A. Smith, Will Cain and Max Kellerman debate whether LeBron James is right about his comments about double standards existing for black athletes.
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[@mrself9130]

Let will Cain be a regular ,I don’t agree with him a lot but he offers new perspectives and helps us understand the other side

[@zero1188]

Cain is right

[@ryanhope7662]

Max better be careful, because from what I've seen, Will is consistently coming off a little sharper.

[@superiorcactus]

That's a great perspective to have. Regardless of agreeing with him, I think people ought to hear him/anyone out to see if they cant understand where someone is coming from.

[@KingJKickz]

Mr Self Will Cain says crazy shit but on Political views he's on Point and so is Max. I appreciate them as white men who stand up for us

[@BlazeGamesMC]

He offers the right perspective not the liberal propaganda

[@lildagga2064]

This is actually true lmao Gronkowski be wild asf in the off-season never is he questioned it’s always “Gronk being gronk” but obj had a video posted of him chilling in the bed with a model he’s considered immature and he has off the field issues lmao you can’t make this shit up

[@WestCoastDon448]

He was also sniffing coke and smoking weed in the pick

[@elikulin5169]

@@WestCoastDon448 facts. I was going to say that you beat me to it

[@kingwani8248]

Fact

[@rgwak]

Yup. Just a white boy doing white boy things.But Ezekiel Elliot goes to a club, and he's a menace to society.

[@patricija4179]

Gronk is on a winning organization and him playing or not doesnt impact their playoffs(they showed)

[@tobiasandersen5846]

ESPN: Is lebron eating the right pizza? Does lebron even eat pizza? Is lebron the Best pizza eater ever?

[@TheAliisawesome]

Tobias Andersen MJ is THE GOAT

[@tobiasandersen5846]

Ali Kobaissi that is not the point

[@aokiQ]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL good one

[@jamalscott3706]

Lol

[@Flashyfinancier]

Will Cain started out on this show with the same amount of respect that Ryan Hollins has right now. But right now , Will Cain is one of the best on First Take

[@Getsumsimm]

Honestly as a Black man I can't be the only one who's sick and tired of the constant race-baiting BS. I can't even watch sports anymore without this nonsense.

[@MkandaGnarlyyy]

Same here I agree

[@livefomthebarbecue468]

Shit is sad

[@YungJay216]

Wtf is race baiting? There is a open double standard here that's a fact.

[@Getsumsimm]

Yung Jay216 bro i pay for ESPN to watch sports not politics, if i was LeBron I'd go straight 2 the White House and get Trump to help us fix our communities not just talk talk talk talk talk it aint gettin shit to change. Period!

[@bigty390]

It's part of the agenda

[@mrself9130]

Will Cain is a welcome change in this espn outlet

[@iputsnworkiputsnwork1500]

Mr Self fuxk that devil

[@getbuckets4252]

He’s been on the network for years now

[@GgGg-qd8lp]

He racist

[@mikeoxbig4905]

He's not "racist" at all. Black people are the biggest racists. these days. Cain is just more of a conservative

[@mikeoxbig4905]

lol he's a "devil" because he's subjective and doesn't go with the bandwagon victim culture? Stfu

[@alabdel1388]

Will is absolutely correct, he said it perfectly. Black athletes are treated differently, but Lebron's example was bad. In the sense of an autograph seeker its a terrible example actually, white athletes get it the same. Again, we cant use race for every single argument or it then cheapens it when it actually should be used.

[@jeffreymerlino4613]

Its just me and the truth i thank the lord my experiences have never made me feel sorry for myself or think other people should feel sorry for me

[@513ovaeverything7]

What Will Cain did was play the deflect game.... “ O what Lebron said was correct but he used the wrong example” That’s called changing the narrative.... Something people do when they don’t want to talk about the real issue at hand. Nothing to be praised.

[@jeffreymerlino4613]

Its just me and the truth white people are on your side we literally want to see you guys thrive and its still not good enough for you and that is what drives racism.

[@iang7244]

@@jeffreymerlino4613 You are generalizing way too much and are missing the point. If the issues LBJ is speaking on don't apply to you, don't worry about it.

[@513ovaeverything7]

zee boo dude please stop it.... What you mean is “ Some” white people.

[@stevejones8486]

Max says "that's unknowable" to the same hypothetical that LeBron poses.

[@RichMoneyLTD]

Max kellerman is such a white guilt enthusiast.

[@_honestly_7015]

Will Cain had a good analysis. Mic drop when he brought up Brady's interview

[@ayyanbhatti7875]

Shit I actually 100 % agree with will cain for once

[@bonanimathambo8721]

As usual, Will is the most reasonable person on the show and is always right because he approaches topics logically and not emotionally. It's also really refreshing to read the comments and see that a large number of people are starting to realize that Will is the one who talks sense when it comes to these topics. I was expecting the usual accusations of Will being racist simply because he's the only person ESPN hired who has a different perspective and people on the left are generally intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them and would rather smear them than have a conversation. For example, look how crazy First Take went at Tiger Woods simply because he doesn't feel the same way about Trump as they do. Stephen A. Smith even went as far as to say Tiger isn't even black (even though he was black as hell when he was winning all those majors but, now that he didn't say what we wanted him to say, who knows what race he actually is).

[@mikeoxbig4905]

i'm with ya brotha

[@FaceFamous]

Bonani Mathambo. I'm starting to like Will myself used to hate him but he sees things logically may not make sense all the time. But he has a unique view on things and come with logic. But he challenges Max and SAS

[@est.inthe80s]

Bonani Mathambo 💯

[@bonanimathambo8721]

josh mack Maybe you should move to Africa if you have a problem with blacks and whites getting along and not defining each other by race. Move to a majority black country and see how that works for you.

[@cj-nyc2057]

💯

[@ELRamunde69]

The only standard blacks are held to is graduate high school and don’t kill anyone.

[@mansurx26]

I’m not mad at what Will said. Racism and double standards exist but LeBron example was pretty trash 💯😂

[@boss-kp9ct]

ROB if Jordan would have said that would you make that statement honestly.

[@mansurx26]

boss100 IDGAF about Jordan 😂 I’m from Chicago and I like LeBron better

[@mansurx26]

boss100 Biases and Favoritism exist but your example was trash

[@est.inthe80s]

ROB I thought so too

[@rogeravila7682]

the double standard is lebron can go on tv and say something racist because hes black. hes so lucky hes not white right now or the media would be ripping him up.

[@needoc4639]

I'm a mid 30s black male, and I enjoy this discussion. It has to be heard from both sides. Obviously, in America, black males are looked and judged differently. It's a reality. Whether, on a job for a promotion, in the shopping mall, how we dress, or even just walking down the street. It's a reality. That being said, the conversation is good to have. Because it allows people to open their thoughts and to speak freely on how they feel. This all goes way way back on history. But one thing I do know is, that there has been progress. Judging and stereotypes come from home. Racsim, comes from home. Your perspective and way of thinking about another race comes, from being taught at home, your church, religion, and at times from your own race. I do not think it will ever end, but if we continue to discuss it, we can make little progress.

[@shaybs1330]

SAS you forgot to put up your banner

[@dannongreen4393]

Shay yeah... He must be getting warn by Magic

[@Daniel-rd2wh]

S/o to will for saying what everyone else is too afraid to say.

[@victorarceo7943]

Will Cain is underrated

[@dominiccrowder1993]

Victor Arceo whoa chill chill. He had a good take but let’s slow down

[@thehound3202]

Dominic crowder calm down

[@est.inthe80s]

Low-key

[@sokit2em]

He should replace Max. Max’s liberal biases are so fucking overboard. Will Cain is very moderate and fair.

[@JustHere751]

No

[@joejotkowitz]

I watched a rerun of your show last night highlighting LeBron James’ comments about the treatment of black and white athletes. I want to say thank you as I appreciated the depth, clarity, and intelligence of the discussion amongst the three of you and the various perspectives provided. Steven A., I have always appreciated the candor, sometimes uncomfortable candor, you share outlining issues and your perspective, and this discussion was no exception. I believe you challenge people and their thought process in a constructive manner. Max, I am usually intrigued by the perspective you provide on issues like this, especially the open-mindedness and understanding you demonstrate being a member of the “tribe” (using the language from last night’s telecast) on the other side of the equation. Will, I was floored at the grace, professionalism, and accountability you demonstrated in your comments back to Max after he accused you of not understanding white privilege to the degree with which he shared. I think all of you advanced the conversation further than I’ve seen in quite some time. I wanted to thank you for that. Why? Well, you guys got this guy thinking. If I was listening accurately, Steven A. basically asked the question, “How do we fix this? What’s the solution? How do we get people to think and act differently?” I think Will shared the most effective solution and one that appealed to me most. It may also be the most difficult. We need to identify people as people as opposed to the tribes to which they belong. In addition, Will stated that this is the way he views people or at least tries to view people. I find this admirable. Perhaps I agree with this solution because I try to do the same. I could share a few examples but prefer to make this about the issue on the table and not about me. I took this perspective as an example of the words that get attributed to Gandi, “Be the change you wish to see in the world.” Max countered with the challenge that most people still see and behave in a tribal manner. If I understood correctly, in the end Steven A. basically agreed with both Will’s and Max’s perspectives on this issue, we need to see people as individuals, but tribalism still divides us. I say all of that to try and advance the discussion even further. If the answer is to begin seeing each other as individuals instead of tribes, I pose this question, “What do we do inside our own tribes to challenge others tribal members to view the world differently, to view people as individuals?” In other words (and I’ll only use my tribe as an example here so I can speak from experience), when I’m sitting with a few of my white, male friends and someone makes a comment about blacks or Asians or women or whatever tribe I am not a member, what do I chose to do in that moment? Do I nod, agree, and go along with what was said? Or worse, do I become passive and complicit letting the comment go and not call out other members of my tribe because I don’t want to make them feel bad or more likely alienate myself from my own tribe although I know what they said was wrong? Or, do I take a stand and within my own tribe challenge members by telling my white, male friends, “I think you’re wrong and here’s why.” I like to think I choose the latter. I know I don’t always. I admit it. However, I think this is the place we need to begin heading towards if we are going to make efforts to change people’s minds and perspectives which will eventually change their behaviors. I think we have the best chance of making this change if we start calling out our own tribal members. Why? Because being a member of that tribe comes with an inherent credibility which we can use to influence others within the tribe. I think we can have more impact if we call out our own as opposed to members of other tribes. There’s a big difference if a white person says the treatment of black people is unjust as opposed to a black person saying the treatment of blacks is unjust. There can be more impact when a man says the behavior of another man is wrong and inappropriate as opposed to a woman calling that out. Yes, I’m saying whites need to call out whites. Men need to call out men. We need to call out bad behavior regardless but especially when we see and hear our own tribe doing it. I don’t know if you guys will see this or even read it, but you should know that you got at least one guy thinking or thinking even more deeply, and if your goal is to challenge perspective, get people to think deeper, and participate in the conversation, then mission accomplished. You scored.

[@zero1188]

ultimately everyone deals with racism white or black, however how you deal with it is up to the person. you can use it as an excuse or you can continue to better your life

[@ahmadrabbani6009]

zero lmaoooo “whether white or black” FOH

[@dariusmaye]

Agree

[@alexzuniga6558]

zero faxxx

[@6thraikagemike426]

That moment when you thought you said some real shit 😂😂😂.....

[@sedhcharles8335]

Lol only white people say shit like this

[@uche2564]

9 finals appearances and 3 rings got damn that’s bad lol

[@creedstewart2525]

Roasting someone who is better than you at literally being alive. Someone's a little salty they are a no one.

[@jonahswayzer629]

Jordan's 9 first round exits is horrible Kobe's blowing a 3-1 lead is horrible

[@majornewb]

He's a billionaire, what are you?

[@romey70able]

How is 9 final appearances bad? Hell some player's would love to experience one.

[@uche2564]

lol you bronsexuals gotta goooooo 😂😂😂

[@bobbykevil214]

I never thought I would say this but Will Cain is just awesome for this show.

[@Dezildez49]

Man I wish I could hear more of this conversation. I'm from UK and obviously we don't have ESPN here, fascinating conversations but too short. Nevertheless great stuff.

[@rccle1023]

Will Cain is on the money. Its about whether or not the player is well liked by the media and fans. Brady gets ripped by the media for every thing he says that comes off rude or cocky and LeBron gets alot of praise from the media because he is well liked and mostly nice. Gronk is a big goofy kid and that's why he isnt blasted for partying and is loved.

[@mikeoxbig4905]

And Rodgers gets grilled all the time for being a dick.

[@xordus]

You know your examples don't undermine the core truth tho right? There are always guys that are blasted or loved from both races, that fact doesn't disprove the fact that white athletes are sometimes treated differently than black ones due to their skin color. I don't think it's a blanket symptom, but it definitely happens, just look at Cam Newton...

[@lorenzomartin6217]

as much as I agree with where Lebron is coming from, I know for a fact that Tom Brady does get vilified for the simplest thing.

[@deeloc1993]

@@xordus om then show me specific instances. There's always this general blame white factor and people say systemic racism exists etc but when you ask for comparisons their answer is that uh it just exists

[@andrewanderson8905]

Bron shouldn't curse like that though! I was taught that the use of cuss words is a testament to limited vocabulary...I am a Bron fan and black!

[@itshardgrowingupinthestree7095]

All people are discriminated against some more than others its up to people as individuals to respect other people's rights and space and in this world it's unfortunate we don't have people who can disagree and still be civil

[@AkhirahOverDunya85]

5 star comment right there

[@john50beach18]

Don't see why lebron had to name drop white athletes to make his point though

[@mperformance3502]

Lebron has turned into Al Sharpton these past couple years

[@sambeezy007]

Because he himself is racist. He's pro Hillary for a reason

[@TempZach]

This is not close to the whole discussion from this segment. Is the rest of the segment posted anywhere? It was one of the most thoughtful First Take segments I've seen.

[@edgarlopez8986]

Please just let Molly sit in the background in a tight dress and let Will be a regular

[@poetryofmusic5077]

will is right and I like that he's been on the show alot more. though I'd have to say that the cell phone thing or acting out in public, is as good of time as any to point these sort of issues out. theres certain things you don't want to wait for a next time. next time might be too late. there's things that happens to certain individuals of our country where if you don't say something with the slightest inclination of something wrong being done to you and you don't voice it, more or worse actions can take place. and in turn not only do people not know, your actually hurting yourself by not saying something. is it as extreme as a cell phone pic no, but you don't want to wait to point some of these bigger issues.

[@CeazeBred]

🗣IT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE OR BE EQUAL 🤷🏾

[@peterpaz4877]

EXACTLY.

[@2414kels]

Absolutely right...

[@2414kels]

@NBA Snapchat & Instagram dude cut the shit you know damn well it's never going to be equal. The way things are, and has been for decades is here to stay.

[@kohisaaakohisaaa7095]

Well you're right on that part.

[@CuatroCinc0]

Facts

[@spazcaplamoca1]

The fellas went in... All made good legit points.

[@timshow781]

This is so dumb. How can a black athlete who makes millions of dollars playing in a league that is predominantly African American actually use the argument that there is a double standard for black and white athletes?

[@BruvahSulaiman]

Any athlete that gets recorded saying Get that shit out my face would be criticized. Will is 200% correct. Like he pointed out Brady was just criticized for politely saying good bye and walking out on an interview. Imagine if the were a fan and he had said "get that shit out my face" LeBron's example was piss poor. Typically when ppl give shit examples it's because they don't have good ones.

[@Dibi1821]

Give me a break. Lebron is my favourite player ever in any sport but there is no double standards about specifically what LeBron said. I agree with Will on this one.

[@pauladeleke]

Why not publish the whole commentary...

[@qtip8907]

Taking pictures is part of the gig..If you don't want to be approached don't go out

[@jayleezy6889]

Will Cain 2020 🇺🇸

[@Vendqtta]

3-6 😆

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

MXDVX doesn’t negate the fact that he was right about what he said. There’s a double standard by this white ran media for blacks and whites. Whites usually will get the benefit of the doubt. This has proven over and over.

[@ELRamunde69]

Renegade Musik Jewish owned media*

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

ELRamunde69 the media runs the movie industry, music, banks,and jewelry ventures,but I don’t know about the media.

[@jonahswayzer629]

Jordan was 1-9 in the first round without pippen and kobe plew a 3-1lead

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

Jonah Swayzer Lebron missed the playoffs in his first two seasons. Scottie was drafted in 1987.

[@chetjohnson7581]

Yo who am I? I just agreed with all of them

[@sinjonezp]

Will Cain ...I applaud that you do your best to be “critical” ...

[@atom0824]

I actually like Will. IDGAf what you weenies think

[@NoriahStar411]

cause you're a racist

[@jonasofosu1318]

Adam Leon weenies 🤣

[@atom0824]

@@NoriahStar411 Nah, i just dont play victim all the time

[@atom0824]

@Its just me and the truth Lmfao shut up.

[@robbystafford8273]

wow, you seem really cool and tough and courageous

[@nelsonking98]

You can talk about racism and racial injustice without having a victimology💯💯💯 great conversation guys

[@kanobriggs2268]

I wish more people in the black community could understand that. I also wish more people could understand the real way racial injustice is perpetrated now and don’t simply think that every white person actions are solely based off racists intentions.

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

Kano Briggs you would have a point,if this country’s past and even present wasn’t littered with racist antics. Black kids walking through subdivisions drinking tea,or at a gas station playing music can be murdered and their killers are found not guilty. Cops can pull you over for saying you look “suspect”...ask if you have a weapon,you tell them yes,and seconds later you’re dead! Were your ancestors hung from trees ,or pulled out of their relatives home in the middle of the night for smiling and allegedly whistling at a white woman and beaten and killed? Stfu and quit acting like the things I’ve mentioned wasn’t that long ago. Those slave owning racist bastards kids still reside inside of this country.

[@RichMoneyLTD]

@@Renegade-jk4ux yeah but all of the points you made arent productive and not worth saying the need to bring up the past is victimolgy

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

Rich Money I guess this country is playing the victim when it celebrates 9/11 every year?

[@Renegade-jk4ux]

Jamie Swanson you sound jealous. 🤔

[@fndfnd1]

Too many ppl accuse SAS for being racist for agreeing with LeBron, or accuse Will Cain for being racist because he pointed out some flaws. Just because ppl might not agree with a point of view doesn't mean they are racist....

[@bjulyjayjr]

I wish more people were like Will Cain. Even when I think he's off, its still sound.

[@AnthoineWalters]

WILL NEEDS TO SHOW UP MORE, LOVE HEARING EVERYTHING FROM DIFFERENT SIDES.

[@abnerandabnier5274]

But we understand the greater point that LeBron was making, he was thinking of an example in the fly or merely put more thought into the overall greater point of his argument. If we're going to dissect all the little things that someone says wrong before we get to the double standard then MY LORD 🤦‍♂️ can we make any type of progress??!!

[@fndfnd1]

Abner and Abnier understanding words and context are very important in making progress

[@abnerandabnier5274]

Oopdots Is me But the context according to the society that we're living in says there's a double standard when it comes to blacks and whites. Who cares if it wasn't the best example because we all understand what he's actually trying to say and what's his actual point. Spending time debating if it was an accurate or inaccurate example seems like a waste of time for me and immature because it's deviating from the bigger point. If MLK was present and delivering a powerful speech, if his example wasn't the best but at least his overall bigger picture message was on point and 🔥 you think I would spend energy on whether that was the best example or not he could of use? But I do understand it's a debate show I guess

[@cormel6895]

I really thought we were beyond this, it’s crazy how ignorant people can be...it’s been over 2 centuries already.

[@2414kels]

And it will continue to be this way until the world is gone.

[@paradisee3293]

Uncle tom ass nigga

[@iang7244]

But there was only legislation recognizing civil rights about 50 years ago. There are people who were affected by or participated in racial discrimination and segregation that are still alive to this day.

[@lovellmills2575]

5 centuries

[@chadgraham2813]

Why do they always end the clip before they are through speaking?

[@patricija4179]

The problem with LeBron is that he talks about stuff that happens to people like it happens to him and that turns off alot of people. #LeGOAT

[@paradisee3293]

Faxxxx

[@legodisthebesteversomelege4778]

LeBron is the best player in the world him and Brady.

[@Prince1Tony]

Obi-Wan Kenobi He was right with what he said don’t correct him

[@dcollins8718]

@Obi-Wan Kenobi Don't know who is "Rogers"

[@mitchellmartinsky2299]

durant is the best player in the world

[@russell9411]

Mitchell Martinsky walking L he blowing 3-1 leads while bron coming back 3-1 stop it lls

[@mitchellmartinsky2299]

thank the refs and kyrie for winning lebron his 3rd ring

[@mysticmagikstic8863]

I'm so glad he has been speaking the truth about everything he could be like Mike but this is why he will go down as the best ever

[@ericplnc1]

Cam Newton dabbing in the end zone was disrespectful, when Travis Kelce did it no one cared.

[@lilliamcruz6778]

Lecry me a river

[@kingwani8248]

Lilliam Cruz stfu

[@AT-xm3jc]

😂😂😂😂

[@titankiller5287]

Lilliam Cruz Not a Lebron fan but you couldn’t handle 1% of the turmoil LBJ deals with everyday, the man had N-words spray painted on his door, was he supposed to not talk about it?

[@Bonjour612]

Gordon hayward is the only white athlete in the top ten highest paid Oh the inequality in the words of bill burr im a white guy where is my yaght

[@Tonio5100]

So are you implying that Gordon is a top 10 player in the NBA 🤔🤔🤔 Because I can name 10-20 players better but yet Gordon getting paid more than them soooooooo what's your point?

[@brandoncooper2313]

Please name the white player that should be paid more than even Gordon Hayward is? We won't even mention guys like LeBron, Ad, Steph, KD, James harden, Cp3, Russ, Gianni's, kawhi etc. Yet. If there was a white guy as good as a LeBron trust me he'd be in the league and the face of it. Sports is one of the most fair jobs there is; the best man for the job gets it.

[@pulkitgupta864]

loc Dawg you idiot

[@sharonska100]

Either you don’t know basketball or you’re doing everything in your power to reject the idea that racism exists. Lebron KD Kawhi Giannis Kyrie AD Harden Oladipo Wall Russ Steph CP3 Lillard PG13 Cousins Butler Embiid I just gave you 17 players undoubtedly better than Hayward. There are arguably more. If there was a top-10 talent in the nba who was white, don’t you worry, he’d be earning top dollars too

[@RichMoneyLTD]

@@Tonio5100 you dont know gordon haywards game then

[@jacksonpayne5104]

What people don't understand about racism is that you have to stop talking about race. That puts barriers between people and groups. If you want true equality across all boards you have to look at everyone as Americans not white or black

[@Mj-uz1ng]

Molly looking like an extra snack today 😍😍

[@Smiley869]

Name 1 athlete that gets more praise than lebron...I’ll wait...that’s right, nobody. Not sure what lebron is talking about. The regular American sure I get it. But lebron...naw.

[@Basketballerphx]

Bruh, just because he isn't getting it personally doesnt mean he cant speak up for athletes around him who get that treatment. And he gets the praise because hes extra careful to "prove he's one of the good ones".

[@GoodLuckMari2]

D Andrews the fact that you the because he is “praised “ he isnt subjected to racism means you have no idea how the world is

[@reasedogable]

He didn't say just him,he said African American athletes

[@Smiley869]

Jamari Goodine if you’re looking for a perfect world then good luck bro! You got a long life ahead of you.

[@brittanybradford9239]

So true. He is worshiped more then God these days and yet still complains. They call him the chosen one a KING but yet let an athlete talk about KING JESUS and he will be shunned like T Tebow

[@legodisthebesteversomelege4778]

LeGod can say we he want also he was a 100 percent correct.

[@livefomthebarbecue468]

Sheep/Slave

[@paradisee3293]

Y'all mad 😂😂😂^^

[@mikeoxbig4905]

He was 100 percent off base, like Will said. Terrible example.

[@livefomthebarbecue468]

@@dooomsday6666 facts

[@betamalekiller8795]

DAMN!! Will Cain was actually right about this one lol in fact these days as of late, he's been very consistent. That being said Not everything has to be about race...It would be one thing if he would be naturally be direct about things but that was not the case. LBJ has the passive knowledge of people watching his every step. if thats the case why complain about it. It comes with the territory and he knows it. Don't be mad cause you got caught out of character with fans that just wanted an autograph. Regardless of the timing or situation.

[@chrislashbrook8367]

I have to tell ya, will cain is growing on me. Liking his outlooks alot lately.

[@Ali11O786]

I swear Will Cain keeps proving he is more and more racist. I try and give him the benefit of the doubt. That man ALWAYS PROVES ME WRONG! Max on the other hand is a an honest non bias individual!! We NEED MORE MAXS IN THE WORLD

[@Garyd4s]

foreal lol

[@brandoncooper2313]

Asghar Ali Will was actually pretty good here. I agree with what he said. The example of saying "get that shit out my face" to a fan was a poor one to make a point.

[@youtubepunisher8695]

Max just said nigga on espn a couple days ago..

[@Ali11O786]

@@mikeoxbig4905 anytime he speaks he always sides with white people. Idc what the issue is and you know that. From not visiting White House to anthem protest.

[@Ali11O786]

@@brandoncooper2313 I'm talking on a broader spectrum

[@dionafeworki2387]

Will cain is a lowkey trump supporter 😅😅

[@Durrelloneal5]

Dion Afeworki it’s not lowkey he’s open about it

[@96pershing]

I respect will he don't let Steven A bully him into debates he keep it real from his side respect bro

[@hakaishingiannis7246]

Lol I wonder how ticket TV feels about Stephen a talking about this subject

[@KingofChicago17.]

I cant be the only one thats sick of racism being constantly talked about by Espn.

[@chrisharris9055]

I used to think Will was not good for the show.. but i'm starting to think that he is doing a better job than Max

[@chiefwakil]

I’m really pondering on Will’s point. It COULD go either way with THAT scenario I guess. I appreciate the acknowledgement of our issues here in America as it pertains to black and white.

[@BannedSports]

When black people stop blaming the white man for everything, maybe they can make progress.... Black people have no ceiling in America just like white people. You can choose how far you want to go in life. There are obstacles but with enough strength and perseverance, you can accomplish anything. That is what the American Dream is. Nobody is holding you down, no matter how much your racist uncle told you so.

[@leseanwalston7916]

I'm not biased at all when it comes to these debates so I can admit Will actually made better argument in this one,, but they didn't play entire segment so I cant say if others had good rebuttal but his points were definitely solid rt

[@robertcolbert4785]

Will Cain is the same guy who defends the Confederate Flag...let that sink in.

[@bryanfoley71]

Since the rise of the Internet and outside sports media coverage, ESPN has to talk about race to get their share of ratings at this point.

[@Perk_Rogers]

Will need his to be on more!!!!!

[@bullionsean456]

This is pretty funny. Max actually inadvertently undercut LeBron's (and his own) whole argument about Brady, Manning and Rogers right here 6:10 So it's okay for LeBron to make the assumption but no one else?? Also, Will then goes on to actually give SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of a REAL-LIFE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE for why the assumption is logical.

[@esanders2331]

Can't lie. Both Max & Will's comments were solid and had validity. I tend to agree with Max more. Will said things I can disagree with without getting in an uproar about. Which is refreshing

[@altair4045]

Will Cain was spot on.

[@zakman6471]

I love Stephen a Smith. Thank God I wanted to call his show from Australia to tell him thank you. Everyone knows it outside America that its double standard

[@NickMintz]

Totally just look at how.they blew up that timeout video at the Finals game.1. But Brady screams at his teammates all the time but when he does he is called a great leader.

[@mikeoxbig4905]

He is a great leader.

[@mikeoxbig4905]

And Brady DID get bitched at for yelling on all these shows lol. How do you think you know about it??

[@NickMintz]

Ok so basically you are.saying that they both are great leaders in your eyes. Not gonna lie I never saw anyone.makong a big deal about Brady screaming at players. ESPN and other networks ran that Lebron video for weeks and many specifically said that didn't make him a good.leader despite the circumstances of emotions. Aaron Rodgers is in my opinion the best QB of all time but he does it ad well. All are good leaders but that's not the point. The point was the double standard.

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

You should next debate on what Lebron eats for dinner and is it healthy to his diet.

[@joeygarcia6810]

amazing what happens when you bring in a different sound into an echo chamber

[@billycox475]

Like that one time, when the NASCAR driver lost his sponsor. For something his dad said. Before he was even born.

[@Bdub534]

Never thought I’d see the day……… I agree with Will on this 1 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@rarerebel8213]

new found appreciation for will cain can be witnessed here..

[@demarcosingleton1741]

He's right idc how much u loved as a black athlete we see it time and time again they turn their backs on u LeBron doesn't give the people nothing negative to talk about if he did trust me it will b a hot topic for weeks

[@opoi603]

btw thank god stephen "ALLOWED"....THE RIGHT TO HAVE IT"(the right? to answer a question)"to will and max to give an answer

[@FranksTube86]

They should replace Max with Will. Max is so far left he will never disagree with a black person's perspective.

[@JamalMaswana]

I like Will. Petition for him to replace fine as wine but loud as cow Molly?

[@eddiemiacoria8477]

I just know that anyone will be labeled or look different than others.. negative needs to be never a issue just positive and If anyone not just athletes can keep goin forward and on their feet strongly..

[@harryo82]

That's a power move Stephen, I respect it.

[@lexvaldez2631]

Is this espn or espn\ CNN

[@MalikEmmanuel]

People need to learn their basic rights: you have the right to speak to, speak about, comment on, and record people, without their consent, in public. Again, there is no right to privacy in public. For the third time, you can be recorded, spoken to, accosted etc. at any time, and without your consent, as long as you are in public. Finally, if you forcibly stop someone from recording you (speaking to you as well) in public, you have likely committed a crime (assault) against that person.

[@tronmichael1176]

As someone who usually comes into these debates without a side will Cain continues to make way better points. The virtue signaling by max and Stephen a is unbearable

[@peterparker-xn7tr]

A good example is Ben Roethlisberger and Jameis Winston treated totally different in 2018

[@mikeoxbig4905]

Pretty sure everyone criticized Ben too. Also Winston has had this kinda problem twice and acted ridiculous and has said stupid things. This kinda thing is why many people don't like blacks. Don't know how to act.

[@faceofabeatenupbum-p4ppedc35]

Will Cain is the only guy in the sports media with a pair

[@nickjones5495]

I don’t understand the context of the situation

[@galonh3835]

Will Cain is totally WRONG!!!! That's the Will Cain way. He will say the black athlete is not stating it correctly or using a good example. When someone is talking about their experience, that's their example. Their example of their experience isn't meant to appease him!!!

[@usa5439]

Donte stallworth killed a person and was still allowed in the NFL and signed to Patriots etc. I'd say the media is forgiving no matter your color

[@pasoedodibornnla2837]

Somebody please point out a better example for Will Cain. He somehow seems to not understand.

[@matthewpegues6574]

Just wanna point out. I see LeBron james the basketball player... not LeBron James the black guy and i see Aaron Rodgers the quarterback... not Aaron Rodgers the white guy. This is why I think Will is completely right which is why I don't plan on seeing him much on ESPN anymore.

[@whoisslade7218]

as a black man whos pro black and mostly left leaning i agree with you i like will he looks like bruce wayne lol

[@mustafaamiri4167]

It seems like all these problems are only in the US. Not the uk

[@BloggerMusicMan]

This did happen to a white athlete. Randy Johnson put his hand over a camera and told a reporter to go away. He was definitely criticized and suspended for that I believe.