Stephen Kinzer: Iran & the United States: Permanent Enemies or Natural Partners?

[@janisripple754]

Thank you For your Sharing Your Joy in Sharing

[@lordcolinb]

Some great points

[@JohnRobertsTV]

Great speech, frankly better than the questions afterwards. Interesting that now we do have an agreement, I wonder what Kinzer would say about it?

[@mahdisadeghisadeghi6814]

At the moment after 5 years There is not an agreement:)))

[@saram.alamdariphdmsw7679]

Useful info!

[@solarpunkisms]

Great history, but kinzer ignored a key variable: much like the war on drugs, US is not very interested in actually maintaining stability in the region, as it's involvement in the Iran / Iraq war exemplifies.

[@anoldmannameddave7455]

I’ve listened to 6-8 hours of Kinzer, promoting his different books. I like most all his points. The problem I have with him, is he never mentions the Israeli involvement. Why not, Mr. Kinzer? Why don’t you write a book about that?

[@miroslawbielecki6734]

He wants to be alive

[@luisjgt1]

He is a good American liberal. He would never do that.

[@haonyoass9556]

⁠@@luisjgt1 I have seen him mention it before. Basically he criticizes the fact that you can’t say anything about them. He said he envies Israeli journalists because ironically they have more freedom to criticize Israel than Americans ones do haha

[@alangould7154]

to what israeli involvement do u refer?

[@stephencantu2978]

Some people are still pretty misinformed with HISTORY in these comments

[@janisripple754]

ShareShare..AwakeAware

[@rosesandsongs21]

Mr. Kinzer dares say things contrary to the official narrative and although he seems to have some partisan bias, whatever he says comes from serious and extensive research and that is where we have a better chance to find the truth, propaganda free. I saw many many presentations of his and I am a huge fan.

[@amirfowad365]

Common American does not know what happened two weeks ago in other states, let alone what happened in American hostage. Tell what is real hurdles, instead of beating about the bush

[@sambrnds553]

Could you please let me know which book of Kinzer covers this information? He frequently says if I tell everything, there is no point to buy the book. Which book does he talk about?

[@haonyoass9556]

All the Shah’s Men

[@idicula1979]

Past enmities aside America and Iran share much in common including our three branches of government executive, legislative, and judicial, Iranians see the supreme leader as its judicial branch potato, patato. I get it Iran to Americans seem less then ideal and vice versa but you have to deal in reality, and the reality is Iran is much more American then even Israel. Sure they have Hezbollah but many including me view our millitary as anything but the American Dream. The first step to making the world safer and more democratic is to admit many of our millitary exploits have been less then legal and democratic.

[@widg3tswidgets416]

mathew idicula "sure they have hisbAllah" Yeah. That's no small point. hisbAllah and Iran have targeted, killed, and assisted in the killing of thousands of Americans. This is no "aside".

[@homayounshirazi9550]

Well, if we look at the totality of extra-judicial assassinations by US drones all over the world, we must conclude that the American Empire has operated more infamously than Attila the Hun and Ghengiz Khan combined. But in the spirit of reconciliation both sides might be willing to turn down the rhetoric. Except no-one believes US has any intention to resolve differences. Their way or the highway.

[@haonyoass9556]

@@widg3tswidgets416 as we understand now, the American government itself has toppled many regimes and killed thousands of innocents. I think we need to recognize our own faults before pointing fingers. We are the most powerful nation in the world after all. Let’s have some humility and build these bridges.

[@drisssadiki5340]

I liked this presentation until you explained the axis of evil theory.Really Mr. Kinzer you know there is more to it than fill in the missing spot of the triangle. Please explain yourself with names and facts. Big fan. thank you.

[@andrewplotner2952]

He simply summed up a statement from David Frume who was the speechwriter of that axis of evil speech. He didnt summarize it very well however he was not incorrect. www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/28/usa.iran There is the link for your reading pleasure. Essentially they were trying to make a parallel between iraq and germany and did so utilizing WW2 axis of evil. North korea and Iran were thrown in for symbolism to mimic the germany, italy, and japan. They state they threw iran in after the fact in hopes to destabalize the country. never the less, reason for the speech is for no other reason than to try and justify a war against iraq. They severly damaged iranian and us relations all forconducting a pointless war.

[@jacintochua6885]

Did anyone lesrn anything ?

[@markmiller4631]

Hoping to see a real democracy in Iran one day, without all these Ayatollahs..

[@salvadorvizcarra769]

Real Democracy? Democracy Made in USA? I hope not!

[@roblanchi5159]

Dear Mr Kinzer: Iran Did not get closer to united States and will never will get closer. Base on history, United States has one thing in its mind, either to colonies Iran, or to overthrow the government. Iran has her number one enemy which is it's own people and has strong enough Army to save Islamic Republic from internal revolution. By now grate majority of Iranians do not like Islam.

[@danthemansmail]

Watching this with hindsight was very interesting. Kinzer didn't factor in Trump......

[@Tzimtzum26]

Clear Iranian psychological warfare operation. This guy is a total clown

[@haonyoass9556]

? He’s literally just saying what happened. There are declassified cia documents that corroborate everything he’s saying. You should take a look at them it’ll surprise you.

[@salvadorvizcarra769]

Well… Now, please check out these FACTS that are on the Web: "In 250 years of existence as a nation, the US has fought against 29 sovereign countries. (In Fact, since 1785, we have been involved, for 231 years, in some kind of war. And this wars, against all varieties of nations. From going against the Sultan of Morocco, to invading the tiny island of Grenada, 1983. Well, this means that in our entire history, we have only had 17 years of peace, and even fewer, cuz here the almost 5 years of our Civil War (Union/Confed 1861‒1865), are Not counted, since this war was not with another country, but against us. And the wars against the Native Nations of America either are not counted, for the same reason). Anyway: We fought against 29 countries. We have "Grown" 711 the size of our territory from the original 13 colonies. Our Economic, Political and Military development was established thanks to the Piracy, the Slavery, the Massacres, the Opium Trade or Cocaine Traffic, and the Weakness of many abused sovereign nations. We have provoked with total impunity, 12 Genocides and 9 Massacres, ‒inside and outside our own borders‒, and Assassinations of Gov’t. Leaders, Coups d'État and Economic Blockades in 6 UN member nations. Between 1947 and 1989, the US tried to change other nations gov’ts 73 times. It includes 66 covert Ops. And 7 overt ones. In Civil Wars: The US has taken advantage of and intervened without justification in the following Civil Wars: In Marquesas Island. (Massacre. 1813). US Forces seize Nuku Hiva Island (French Polynesia 1813), and establish here «The First US Naval Base», in the Pacific. This historical fact is important, cuz in 1813, the US had NO Territorial Land nor Maritime Rights in the Pacific Ocean, until 1848, when the US seized California and other Mexican territories facing the Pacific. In Haiti. (1813 and 1901 and then 1915-1919-1934-1995-2001). In the Philippines. (1898-1902. Genocide. One Million people dead). In Hawaii. (1889 and 1890-1893 and 1901). In Cuba. (1898 and 1901-1902 and 1906 and 1913 and 1952 and again 1960). In Island Guam and Island Wake (1898-1899 and 1902-1905). In Island of Samoa. (1898-1899). In Puerto Rico. (1898-1902 to 2023 LOL). In Colombia. (1899-1902 and 1948). In Mexico. (1836 and 1847, and 1859-1861 “Cortina Wars”. And 1875 "Las Cuevas War”. And 1886 and 1904 and 1914 and again in 1916-1917 against “Pancho Villa”). In Russia. (1918-1920). In the "Republic Banana Wars" of Central America. (Massacre. 1912-1934-1943). In Dominican Republic. (1916-1924 and 1965-1966). In Honduras. (1903 and 1912 and 1919 and 1924-1925 and again 2009). In Venezuela. (1936 and 1945 and again in 1948). Military Coup in Peru. (1948 and 1967). In China. (1856-1859, and 1899-1901, and 1913 and 1933, and again in 1945-1946-1949). Military assistance to Chinese rebels in Taiwan. (1951-1952). In Korea. (1871 and 1950-1953). In Iran. (1953). Coup against Mohammad Mosaddegh. (Massacre). In Vietnam. (1959-1975. Massacre and Genocide.). In Laos. (Massacre. 1970-1974). The CIA “Bombing of Laos-Cambodia Ops” and the "Air America Op". (1971-1973). Attack on Cambodia. (Kampuchea. 1975). In Albania. (1949-1953 and 1955). In Panama. (1856, and 1903, and 1964-1968, and again 1989). In Brazil. (1950 and 1959 and 1964 and again in 2016). Coup and Intervention in Guatemala. (Massacre. 1944, and 1954, and 1966, and again 1982-1985). Coup against Patrice Lumumba and Intervention in Republic of the Congo. (Massacre. 1960- 1961). Coup and subsequent Fascist regime in Greece. (1967). The Hunting for Che Guevara, in Bolivia. (1968). US Military assistance in the Coup in Bolivia (Copper Mining Co. 1971). Terror in Uruguay. Support for the regime of Juan María Bordaberry. (Genocide. 1973). Support for the regime of Moboth, in Zaire (Genocide. 1974). Democratic Republic of the Congo “Simba Rebellion”. (Massacre. 1964-1967 and 1975). Entry of US Troops into Nicaragua. (1928-1932 against Augusto Sandino, and 1937 and 1972-1973, and 1984-1987 and again 1995). Coup in Chile against Salvador Allende. (Genocide. 1973-1976). Argentina (1976-1986). Armed conflict between the Saharawi Arab Republic and between Morocco. (1976-2002). Support for the cannibal Jean-Bédel Bokassa, in Central African Republic. (Genocide. 1979). Military assistance to the rebels of Yemen and Oman. (Massacre. 1978-1979). Military assistance in El Salvador, special operations. (Genocide. 1980-1992). Liberia. (Massacre. 1978-1980-1983). Coup in Honduras. Support General Polycarpo Paz Garcia. “Cocaine State”. (Genocide. 1979-1980-1982). Military assistance to Iraq. (1983-1990). We, the US, assistance Saddam Hussein against Iran. (More than half a million deaths in ten years. 1980-1990). Support and funding of the Khmer Rouge of Pol Pot. (Genocide 1980-1982). In Angola-Namibia. (Massacre. 1980-1981-1984). Intervention in Grenada. (1983). Here, in Grenada, the US Rangers attack lasted 6 hours, since the tiny Island has no Army, no Navy nor Air Force. The Ranges fought against 287 fearsome Police Officers. Actually, half of these Cops, cuz the other half had not yet come to work the afternoon shift. LOL. In Chad, support the Dictator and Genocide François “Ngarta” Tombalbaye. (1960-1972 and Intervention 1982-1986 and 2007). In Egypt, in the “Arab Spring”. (2010-2012). In Myanmar. (2015-2017). Coup in Equatorial Guinea. (1994-1997-2007 and 2021). In Bosnia. (1994-1995 and 2006). In Gambia. (CIA-CEDEAO. 2017). In Burkina Faso. (Massacre. 2014-2015 and 2021). Coup in Peru against Pedro Castillo. (2022-2023)… In Libya, Niger, Chad, Mozambique, Zambia, in Gabon (Gabon It is a small country at the western end of Central Africa. In just 4 years, 2019-2022, Gabon has suffered 9 Coups d'état. In 8 of these Coups, the US has intervened in one way or another). In Kenya, Oman, Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Mali, Jordan, in Kosovo, Kiribati, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, in Afghanistan, etc. And… Oh! Yeah: In Ukraine. In 70 years, that is, from 1950 to 2020, we, the US, have participated in 80% of all global armed conflicts. In 80%!!! What's so "Proud" about being a nation of Looters and Criminals? .

[@esmaeilheravi4509]

You must be a historian or a history professor . Amazing . That is right . Why are they so proud of being a nation of looters and criminals ? And , the whole world Adore whatever they do and everyone wants to go to America .