Steven Universe Did Lapis Dirty!

Was there a missing episode where Steven and Peri joined the Secret Royal Order of the Good Neighbor Lodge?
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[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

Let's be honest Steven Universe did alot of it's characters dirty. While alot of it is because of CN the show did not do itself any favors with the whole "everything must be from Steven's POV"

[@MrEmpoleon2010]

Yeah the “Steven perspective rule” really held the show back

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@MrEmpoleon2010 So was that a decision made by the writers or CN?

[@JLacay]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 The Steven Universe writers. Their more the ones responsible for the show's downfall than CN.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@JLacay true

[@Dave102693]

Yeah, it’s on par with Michael Burnham on season 1&2 of Star Trek Discovery. The show isn’t too heavy with the MC anymore, despite taking a lot of screen time.

[@kaykay8855]

As much as I ‘liked’ Steven Universe, I hate that the show disregarded lapis’s feelings and trauma and that the show is given to us in Steven’s pov which is ok in some episodes but not for the rest.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

I really hated the Steven only perspective

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

I always hated how Lapis got turned into a deadpan snarker. Although Lapis is a flawed person, she had an established personality, then she basically got flanderized, in a way that was definitely “depending on the writer”, in this case Lauren Zuke.

[@erdood3235]

@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem what Zuke disciple thing?

[@erdood3235]

@Digicraftmon the Crystal Gem thanks 😊. And I'm still interested in knowing why u Choo to use that term. I only started watching su in summer 2018.

[@ShotaVtuber]

I feel they did Peridot dirty too after like season 2-3/4. She used to know a lot about Homeworld, how gems worked, and technology as well as Yellow Diamond’s plans, and machines, but in Reunited-CYM she barely had a use, and was mainly comedic relief, and in combat she was literally thrown at Blue Diamond’s face, and used tin cans to attack. The only exception is maybe when she saved Bismuth from falling in her trash can lid but I feel there could’ve been a cooler way to do it

[@ValenArtsAnimation]

Fr Like Peridot literally had the most satisfying character arc in the entire show and they barely use her

[@SillyMonk82]

:)

[@mustachetwirler7617]

I’ll have to agree with this.

[@lexezlao]

she literally built a robot from scrap and had metal powers that's a combo that would've made for some really cool action sequences but instead we had her throwing tin cans at the diamonds she was literally revealed to have built defense drones in gen harvest, why couldn't she have just used those? I'm pretty sure it was implied she stayed in the temple after lapis took the barn so she definitely had those between reach

[@mdrstudios7067]

@@ValenArtsAnimation That is because she is the only one who has a character arc.

[@BBMacsWorld]

I've always felt that Lapis wasn't used to her full potential. Especially since she was the first Homeworld Gem we ever saw. I agree with you about this episode!

[@raine6381]

Lapis is a weird character for me. in episodes like these she's practically gaslighted by steven into forgiving a former abuser, and while she's often portrayed as the abuse victim, she also became an abuser when it comes to jasper.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

Steven and Peridot weren't the bad guys in this episode. Peridot isn't an abuser. Peridot and Jasper were only doing what they were ordered to do. If the mission was a success she would be release and her fate after the mission would be up to a high ranking gem. What happened to Lapis wasn't abuse, stop exaggerating. Lapis was just putting blame onto Peridot for everything that happened. Steven didn't gaslight Lapis to befriend Peridot. Do you even know what that means, you moron? Steven isn't a enabler like you. He wasn't going to excuse her terrible behavior.

[@mauriceisaac3646]

This episode always did feel off to me and I think I finally figured out why. In a way, both sides were in the wrong. Steven and Peridot were wrong for not respecting Lapis' feelings and forcing her to live with someone she was reasonably uncomfortable with. Meanwhile, Lapis was wrong for feeling entitled to the barn and making Peridot leave when she was there first and not just deciding to find somewhere else on Earth to live. To make things worse, the conflict doesn't feel entirely resolved by the end of the episode as the Ruby invasion plot takes over, and once that’s done, the show just ignores it as it goes back to Beach City adventures and we don't see them together again until Beta. Their conflict was resolved offscreen, which is terrible storytelling. Note: Both Barn Mates and Rocknaldo were written by Lauren Zuke.

[@ValenArtsAnimation]

If i were to rewrite the episode, i would've made Lapis decided to leave cause if Steven just gonna keep forcing her to live with someone she's uncomfortable with might as well just found another place to live. After that Steven and Peridot realized how wrong they were for forcing her, Peridot then felt bad and decided to apologized to her next time they meet Episode ended with the Ruby's arriving and everything played out the same just without Lapis in it

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

I'm not sure if what I'm about to type is accurate but that's not terrible story telling, it's nonexistent story telling. I think. Maybe

[@lovelycupid642]

The problem with Lapis Is that she herself is very toxic but the show doesen't acknowledge that or call her out on it. Also the fact that its never explained why the cg's kept her in the mirror, or that her conflict with them Is never brought up again. Sure they faught on the same team, sit at the same table and play baseball together, but they never actually talk after she came back from Malachite

[@ValenArtsAnimation]

The worst example of this in my opinion was in "The New Crystal Gem" where Connie called Lapis out for almost killing her and Steven and she just response with "i almost drowned a lot of people", the show treated it as a joke rather than a serious topic

[@mustachetwirler7617]

The Crystal Gems kept Lapis Lazuli in the mirror because they feared she was too dangerous, which not surprisingly backfired on them since it only pissed her off. And the problem with Peridot is that she realizes too late the trouble she caused towards Lapis. Peridot had Lapis as her prisoner, dragged her back to Earth and interrogated her, while Peridot served a tyrannical regime! And yet only Lapis called out on Peridot for boasting that Lapis should be “impressed” that she was forced against her will to tell Peridot all that “useful information” in the gem warship.

[@lovelycupid642]

@@mustachetwirler7617 i think i remember the cg's saying something among those lines in the episode after Lapis was released, although I'm not sure cuz its been years. And i completelly agree with you on Peridot (although i feel like Steven should have been able to tell that forcing Lapis and Peri to live together wasn't a good idea). My problem Is that, even after she and Peridot became friends, Lapis makes her feel like Peridot can't be fully open with her, and when she decide to leave earth, Lapis took with her the barn with peri's stuff in It (yeah they lived and made art together, but there probably was stuff that was just Peri's)

[@mustachetwirler7617]

@@lovelycupid642 I’m glad you agree with me on that. As for Raising the Barn, one of the writers of the series thought it would be funny to have a Wizard of Oz reference by having Lapis drop the barn on Blue Diamond like the Wicked Witch of the East, that’s why the barn was taken. I do not find it funny at all as that also did Lapis dirty for her character. Though to be fair, Peridot lied to Lapis that she would go with her and she also lied that they could win against the Diamonds in a fight, only for Yellow to zap them both in Reunited.

[@DeathKitta]

@@mustachetwirler7617 Peridot lied to her cause it looked like Peridot was on eggshells around her, not daring speak her mind if it doesnt alligns with Lapis's.

[@robindelorenzo1120]

Literally most of the Conflict in Barn Mates could have been avoided if Lapis and Peridot bonded over their hatred of Jasper

[@mustachetwirler7617]

Oh that actually would have made for an excellent discussion between the two!

[@lilllyeevee6536]

I do wonder what Peridot think of Jasper🤔

[@mustachetwirler7617]

@@lilllyeevee6536 Peridot merely finds Jasper to be obnoxious, demanding and ultimately beneath Amethyst.

[@lilllyeevee6536]

@@mustachetwirler7617 yeah, they should’ve put more effort about how Peridot thought of Jasper in the show, after she join the Crystal Gems🙄. You’re just responding to me, because you act like you can put emotions in your life

[@mustachetwirler7617]

@@lilllyeevee6536 🙄😔 Welp, enjoy your own emotionless life then.

[@D_YellowMadness]

I found Lapis' line about not being able to stand the idea of looking at Peridot every day extremely relatable because more than once, members of my family have expected me to just instantly forgive and live with people who'd always treated me & (and them) like trash just because they changed at some point when I wasn't around to see it. The immense stress of having to be around someone you despise is something people don't seem to take seriously. You shouldn't have to live with someone if just knowing they're in the house makes you think about all the awful shit they did. As far as friendship & housemate go, there is such a thing as redeeming yourself too late. It's not fair but neither is making your past victim deal with your baggage while you try to be a better person.

[@AshBlueFox16]

Agree

[@mikerueffer579]

I think the whole gems are thousands of years old, plays a big role in how people are kind of unable to empathize with Lapis. Human beings can't understand long scale time periods like that we're just not built for it. Thus we can't relate to Lapis being imprisoned for 5000 years in the same way we relate to a guy that was falsely imprisoned for 5 years.

[@reemraghad4267]

Hmm you do have an interesting and good point

[@beththegreen]

I think one of the more frustrating things stu often does in its story is something that lots of people have experienced in some way - for example, someone is being disrespectful to me, breaking my stuff, making a mess, - and so I react by getting upset Then, a third party responds by saying "Guys! BOTH OF YOU need to stop acting like this to eachother, you BOTH have to admit fault and be friends! - this situation is frustrating because one side is clearly guilty of far worse than the other, and the other might even be just reacting !! Stu often dismisses this fact and will treat an agressor just like a reacting victim and this being relatable to many is frustrating beyond belief! Think a victim being told off for standing up to a bully

[@777Rowen]

I think Lapis had a good starting point and interesting backstory. She became under developed as the series went on. She was a victim of war, experienced ptsd, but then she became an abuser then redeems/happy by the end. I’m happy she’s happy, but definitely needed more character development. What hurt the show was only seeing things from Steven’s perspective. If there’s ever a spin off or reboot, there the writers need to make sure to show the world from other characters perspectives. Good discussion.

[@ValenArtsAnimation]

SU character with lots of potential: *exist* Show: you're going to Brazil- i mean the Barn!

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

The bad version of Haiti from RDR.

[@tomatelalalal]

Bruh

[@D_YellowMadness]

I forgot Spongebob roasted Patrick like that. That was brutal.

[@skylarthompson299]

In Barn Mates, Peridot would also be a little or a lot worse than Lapis with Steven being the worst. Steven forces two people to hang out together, Peridot is an obsessive creep and that kidnapped someone who doesn’t understand or care about empathy, and Lapis is a kidnap victim but is also toxic and a bit ungrateful but I’d reject gifts that have something to do with trauma (I don’t have trauma) or gifts from my captor, in defence of the swimming cool thing Peridot didn’t know Lapis’ water trauma while Steven DID which is bad on Steven’s side. Rocknaldo is less worse because I think Ronaldo is supposed to be toxic, Lapis was the least worst character in this episode.

[@mustachetwirler7617]

Barn Mates really did so, the episode mistreats Lapis Lazuli, the former prisoner, by having her placed in the wrong just because she quite reasonably retaliated. All while Peridot, the former jailer, gets all the mushy “Aww, that’s so adorable” crap when she was the one who had Lapis as her prisoner, dragged her back to Earth, and interrogated her in a tyrannical regime! Peridot did not even show a single ounce of shame on herself until she learned the hard way when Lapis had to save her from a Homeworld tracking vessel that was hunting them down!

[@HackiePuffs]

Lots of people hate on Lapis in this episode and I really don’t get it. Peridot was a HUGE factor in a lot of her trauma no wonder Lapis is snippy. It’s completely unreasonable to expect her to just welcome Peridot with open arms immediately after everything that happened. Honestly I would be pissed too if I were Lapis I’d probably have a lot of the same reactions.

[@mustachetwirler7617]

I most certainly agree with you on this! Back when she served a tyrannical regime, Peridot had Lapis Lazuli prisoner, dragged her back to Earth and INTERROGATED her! And I know that Interrogation plus tyrannical regime is a nasty combination.

[@unknownbystander8145]

"Barn mates" is a season 3 episode. Peridot has spent the entirety of season 2 going through character development and just finished saving the world two episodes prior, so most of the audience have more reason to sympathize with Peridot than they do with Lapis

[@HackiePuffs]

@@unknownbystander8145 just because Peridot did lots of good things that doesn’t diminish the damage she helped cause for Lapis. You could cut someone with a knife and then do all kinds of ways to help them but that wound won’t go away that easily. Lapis has gone through extreme trauma regardless of how Peridot has improved. She doesn’t have to forgive Peridot on a whim especially with the other characters trying to force it.

[@ajgameguy3674]

I think the issue lies in how Lapis wanted Peridot to leave the barn, even though Peridot was pretty much there first. It would be one thing if Lapis just wanted to leave and Steven and Peridot wanted her to stay, but no, Lapis wanted Peridot to leave so she could stay instead. Add Lapis then breaking Peridot's recorder, something that meant a lot to her, and despite Lapis being justified in being cagey towards Peridot, she came off very dickish.

[@sonicplays8740]

@@ajgameguy3674 But come to think it, it was only after a good time in the episode and not at the start. The situation derailed into that.

[@iceluvndiva21]

I'm a die-hard lapis fan and it HURT seeing her get screwed over by people who are supposed to care about her.

[@nathanoliva2484]

Pretty accurate interpretation of their relationship. Now lapis and jasper on the other hand...

[@rhondahoward8025]

The only thing I disagree with was Lapis being tortured. The show has not shied away from that concept (forced fusions much?) so if Lapis was tortured during Peridot's interrogation of her back on Homeworld, I feel like Lapis would've flat-out said it.

[@mustachetwirler7617]

As much as I loved the analysis/defense video from Freezing Climber, Lapis Did Not Fall From Grace, this one you did finally addressed the real issue with Barn Mates, it’s almost as if the recent posts I did on deviantart predicted the issues with it here.

[@KittyMonk]

I forgot to put in the description the Lapis Lazuli video by Slice of Otaku. If you’re interested in better understanding the Lapis Lazuli hate, here’s your chance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5y0qHmgdtJ8mrc

[@mustachetwirler7617]

I saw that video and there is actually another video replying to that one and debunking some of Slice of Otaku’s claims, especially with Jasper.

[@mustachetwirler7617]

Here’s the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppa8eYWInMdje6c

[@DragonGoddess18]

I also saw a video called either "In Defense of Lapis" or "Defending Lapis" that brought legitimate points about Lapis and the person who made that video was right what she said. At the very least, I agree with her.

[@randomspider725]

YES! Finally, someone who dislikes this episode as much as I do! God, I hate it’s “lesson” that you should let people invade your boundaries just because THEY want to be your friend.

[@beththegreen]

If the show used situations like this to show that to at least some degree, Steven is at fault- even if they still realise that they do need to be at least civil or try to understand better, - Steven still can't force people to instantly be best buddies and forgive some of the greatest sins, and that while it's a good ideal to strive for it can be a cruel and selfish thing to lecture and put people down for not being able to instantly put trauma in the past, regardless of how THEY feel! And even aside from that aspect, sometimes people just can't get on and be friends, and that's okay! Consent isn't just for sex or fusion, you don't HAVE to be around or buddy up with someone you don't want to, be civil sure, but you don't even need a reason to say no, you can just not want to and that's important!! If they made it so they realised they should try to understand and slowly geow closer eventually, but also taught Steven that he shouldn't treat people like Barbie dolls and expect others to play house how HE likes, to overcome their trauma because HE doesn't feel its effects, it'd be better Unfortunately it's stu, so Steven is always right

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Fair point. Though, I feel that part of the reason Steven meddles might be some deep seated fear of being a burden to others. Due to his mother not longer being around because of him....

[@athena1491]

I always read peridot as on the spectrum, and I think the VA did as well, hence the conflict resolution being so difficult, and social skills being not great. So while the episode is wrong to frame lapis as bad for not wanting to be friends, I'm not sure if its fair to judge peridot on the poor conflict and social skills, and non-understanding of what to do. Though that doesn't excuse or make up for past actions obviously. I kinda related to this episode, as a kid, I would do this, not to like, try to get someone to forgive me for something, but to make friends, and I didn't understand how to, so, ultimately I like this episode, even if it should have been handled better. It probably helped that I have a poor memory and just entirely forgot peridots part in lapis' capture and interrogation.

[@Barakon]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="450">7:30</a> this plot point could have been done with Peridot sharing a room with Amethyst until they give her her own room along side with hinting towards Peridot’s AroAce nature, if it’s really even what they planned from the start…

[@RewRewster]

Okay I understand how barn mates is a bad episode because of how pushy peridot and Steven are being on a serious reasoning of why lapis has her boundaries and disrespect them, but it gets kinda frustrating hearing you take the value out of peridots growth to be trying so hard to get along with lapis because the connection she sees of how they both feel they can never go back to homeworld. It seems like most of the time in this video take lapiss side over peridots even though both of them were new to their life on earth and getting rid their bad habits. I wouldn't say either to their attitudes towards one another we're as bad as you made it out. Maybe I'm just relating to peridot, or maybe you relate more to lapis.. but in my attempt to be unbias this episode really showed a lot for the viewers to see a connection between peridot and lapis with their equal emotions towards what happened with them and homeworld. Their both not perfect and I feel like both of them needed help, lapis definitely has a bad end of the stick but so does peridot and I sucks to say both needed to work on an issue on being more respectfil

[@RewRewster]

Sorry for all the misspelling but I'm on a phone rn, thanks for reading if you did. I'm a new viewer and I really love your discussion and commentary on certain shows that I also have watched. I usually like to have them on while I'm drawing or playing a chill game.

[@beewithhoney7969]

I think the way this episode could have been better if they had shown something along the lines of both of them being uncomfortable, trying not to live with one another, Lapis because she doesn’t like Paradot, and Paradot because she feels bad about Lapis. Maybe even doing something to show us that Paradot’s fault during the investigation was not trying to help Lapis, instead of her being directly responsible for Lapis’s interrogation. In the end, the episode feels so weird for putting them together considering how the show was all about healing from past trama. This is not healing, this is forcing people into feeling better.

[@redgeoblaze3752]

I always saw Lapis as a subtle villain redemption that took a while to finish, but looking back, I see what the show-runners were meaning us to feel about Lapis. I mean, she did get Peridot and Jasper together for the raid on Earth, and she was only imprisoned after it was made clear she knew more than she led on, and was allied with Steven. I guess I gave the show way too much credit.

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

The episode falls so flat, it falls I to the centre of the Earth and becomes part of the Cluster.

[@______________8850]

Lapis is such a great character, she had so much potencial and the hate she gets its so dumb, people refuse to think how she feels after everything shes been trough i would of destroyd everyone i mean she actyally can

[@mustachetwirler7617]

I know right!? And it sucks that there are more, as well as more often viewed videos of Lapis Lazuli receiving so much unnecessary hate.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Same. Lapis wasn't perfect but she didn't deserve all the hate she got.

[@ajgameguy3674]

I think the biggest issue is that, for the stuff she did do wrong, she doesn't really get called out or deals with the repercussions. Like, between nearly depriving Earth of its water, nearly drowning two kids, and breaking Greg's leg, trapping Jasper in a fusion underwater for months that left her mentally scarred, and taking Peridot's entire home away because she wanted to stay and fight the Diamonds, Lapis hurts a lot of people. Her backstory and the stuff that happens to her do make her actions understandable, but it doesn't justify them. Same way how Pearl's insecurity about her strength doesn't justify her tricking Garnet into fusing for the hell of it, or how Pink Diamond's terrible upbringing doesn't justify her hurting Pink Pearl, or how Spinel being abandoned for centuries doesn't justify her wanting to destroy Earth, etc. From how I see it, the show makes a somewhat consistent effort to show that even if you had something terrible happen to you, it shouldn't mean you should hurt others. Lapis just somehow falls through the cracks and almost never gets a moment to really realize she messed up. With the whole Ocean Gem situation, she kinda just gets off scot-free for almost drowning two kids, even making a passing remark when called out by Connie about how she "nearly drowns a lot of people". With Jasper, she acknowledges that she took her hatred out on Jasper by creating Malachite, saying that it was terrible. Yet, after she admits it, it seems like the show never acknowledges that Jasper went through some terrible shit and just brands her as a villain that gets slapped away. And then with the barn, Lapis takes it away from Peridot, messing her up for a good bit, comes back and smashes the barn over Blue Diamond's head, and just says "Hey" when Peridot runs up to her. And they never really have a scene of them reconciling, so that whole situation just feels unresolved.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@ajgameguy3674 I think Greg lied about his leg being broken, though.

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@DrawciaGleam02 That was a different, one-off episode. Lapis nearly drowned Steven and Connie, but Greg drove over the clone just in time. Then, the clone blasted the van several feet into the air, leading to Greg getting injured.

[@kristiandimitrov7066]

I think that the biggest disservice was rose quartz. From the movie it was all just rose is a terrible person and just contradicts everything from beforehand .

[@coffintears5821]

It's more like pink is a terrible person rose is an Improvement.

[@astrolord4325]

Thank you. You made me love this episode more than i did before :)

[@sadlobster1]

My one complaint about Lapis was how she barely showed signs of positive behavior towards the original Crystal Gems trio. Sure, she's chummy with Steven...but she didn't want to associate herself with Garnet, Pearl or Amethyst

[@rclark8688]

Honestly, for me at least, Lapis not showing them positive behavior made sense. They never apologized to her for keeping her trapped in the mirror. There were times Lapis also didn't acknowledge her own toxic behavior, but there were times that she did. Such as when she admitted to Jasper that she treated her awfully and that was bad. But the crystal gems never do the same to Lapis.

[@sadlobster1]

@@rclark8688 Even in Future?

[@rclark8688]

@@sadlobster1 for all we know. We still don't know if they ever apologized. And there she says that she doesn't want to hurt others. To be clear, I would have preferred her to get along with the other gems, but because they never apologized, uts hard for me to see that happening ig

[@solierix]

She shouldn't have any issue with Amethyst then.

[@od3910]

I mean they did keep her in a mirror even after the war

[@snuset0]

I really hate how people blame Lapis for having a hard time in forgiving Peridot. I think she had every reason to act like that. And yeah, that episode "barn mates" could have been soooo nuch better as well😭😭

[@TheLimeinacoconut]

I do really love Lapis and Peridot together but the speed with which Lapis forgave Peridot really bothered me. I think it should've been like a side arc through the whole rest of the season and I definitely think it would've been better if the forgiveness came when Steven wasn't around. They needed to find it together and not with a lurking chaperone around the whole time. I would've loved an episode focusing on just Lapis and Peridot, no Steven. The fact that it took so long (by the shows standards) for Garnet to forgive Pearl gave actual weight to what Pearl did to abuse Garnets trust. It let us see that it was a deeply personal hurt that couldn't be fixed right away. Lapis and Peridot deserved the same emotional depth in their development. I still like Steven Universe but on re-watching it I've noticed there are so many flaws and I really wish some episodes just left Steven out so could just hang out with the other characters and watch them do their own thing. Jasper is my absolute favourite character though because she was the first one that Steven couldn't "fix"

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Someone saw Mable had the flaw of meddling. Steven seems to have this flaw as well, but with his backstory I can see why he meddles so much.

[@CelestialScribbler]

I agree it was a bad episode but i think your overblowing what peridot actually did. All they say is peridot interrogated her, like asked questions, and she went along with home world's orders bringing her back for the mission. If lapis refused peri wasn't the one punishing her. Peri wasn't exactly in charge on the ship and was not shown locking lapis up or pulling her around. She didn't adequately show remorse or understand lapis' position but she was trying. There's no reason to think she tortured her or even threatened her except if your trying to justify lapis' extreme reaction but there's a better explanation for it. Because of her trauma lapis keeps up walls, and any negative association is a reason to write someone off. Stevens assessment wasn't exactly wrong and for her own sake lapis did need to learn to trust again but the whole approach however was horrible and inconsiderate and i wish they framed it better to reflect that instead of just peri not doing a good job apologizing, as if a well worded card would have fixed things.

[@IferGanomer]

While the show's flaws are quite noticeable, I could interpret this episode as Steven trying to make the best of the situation, seeing how great it coyld be if everyone got along and became friends, even when it wouldn't have been so easy IRL. This episode is also an example where the plot and characters got more relevance than the themes. An episode that had this, the other way around, was Mindful Education.

[@rejeneracion]

no really because in the moment that she is back to home world is going to be captured again and comeback to earth because she back to home world and was captured in the season 1 finale . but yes was a really good point great review

[@split776]

I wonder if this episode is what made fans frame Lapis as a horrible abuser and hate on her later.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

What I still don't get his why Peridot and Lapis didn't just get their own rooms at the Crystal Temple. Probably would have helped with this issue too, at least somewhat.

[@guywhoateallthepizza1031]

I love Lapis, she teaches me it's okay to absue others as long as you were abused before and thats it's a perfectly normal excuse while never apologizing on screen.

[@Over0w0MeAmTheHotel]

I don’t think Peridot knew that Lapis was trapped underwater for months.

[@karamixon5815]

Steven hidden feeling like... Girl. Ms. Becca here a bran 💡draw self😒😒😒

[@theevildalek5425]

Um…I’m not gonna lie, I actually side with Peridot here…Not completely, I 100% agree with your points saying that Peridot is being a bit blind-sighted & insensitive, but I feel like this is all founded on *IF* Peridot did torture Lapis and I highly doubt she did. Reasons being: a). It’s not that kind of show b). Torture really wasn’t in character for the Gems, I feel like the fandom overstates how absolutely horrendous the Gem Empire was before Steven (although the Diamonds definitely did commit genocide to multiple intelligent species & definitely got off way to easy & did not deserve the ending they got). c). Peridot is just a technician. That’s all she really was before Season 2. Yes she was calculated & cold, but still just a technician. She encounters Steven & The Crystal Gems over a video link & begins asking inquiries on them. If there was any torture to Lapis (which I highly doubt) it probably wasn’t Peridot & almost certainly didn’t happen until after Lapis leaked the warning to the Crystal Gems. So yeah, I personally think this is all based on *IF* Peridot tortured Lapis, which I don’t…Sorry? 😅

[@MauricioLoayza-bo2bv]

I think that she was still their jailer, by the way, the diamonds are not supposed to have destroyed any planet with intelligent life, the earth was the first, so I think we should see them more as space deforesters of forests and natural habitats than as space nazis

[@MsAlyssaB1]

The design inconsistency with Lapis is kinda annoying. One second she looks groomed and pretty the next she looks like an unkept depressed teen, the latter suits her character better but it doesn't get used enough. The Steven perspective rule was a really bad idea, it got worse the more in-depth the story got so a whole ton of details got missed or glazed over.

[@pixelswave6452]

Ya know I willfully forgot the rocknaldo episode excisted

[@fiore4379]

BEST COLD OPEN

[@ParadoxFree]

I love Periodot to death, but putting together a child and the most socially inept of the gems was a terrible idea.

[@ocuada252]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1110">18:30</a> was this a reference to the fazbear frights book number 4 step closer story #2?

[@nicholassims9837]

Giving that Peridot was living in the Barn first shouldnt Laps be th eone to leave ?

[@MauricioLoayza-bo2bv]

Creo que la diferencia es que Peridot al parecer no estaba tan consiente del daño que hacia, seguía ordenes ya que fue creada para eso, a diferencia de otros casos donde el agresor esta muy consciente del dolor que causa o cree que "se justifica", aun así entiendo tu punto, es entendible que Lápiz no quiera estar con ella. PD: También creo que la razón por la cual las Cristal Gems no cuestionaron el hecho de que había una gema atrapada en un espejo, es que quizás creyeron que era una gema creada con ese propósito, de mostrar eventos ocurridos a través del espejo, y no una prisionera de guerra, (quizás solo perla sabia de ella, quizás solo la encontró y la guardo de inmediato) y tal vez la diferencia con Lápiz estando atrapada en un espejo y las otras gemas que viven incrustadas en paredes es que dichas gemas solo conocen ese tipo de vida desde que existen, por lo que posiblemente no es una agonía vivir así debido a la costumbre desde el momento que son creadas, mientras que lápiz vivió muy probablemente mucho tiempo libre, y el resultar aprisionada en un objeto si que representa para ella un cambio repentino y estrés constante.

[@the-og-cerealkiller]

The reason why they didn't let Lapis out is because she was very broken It's better to keep her safe in a shelf inside Pearl's head, than let her be involuntarily shapeshifting wreck Steven's powers were unpredictable so they couldn't rely on him, until they're sure he's ready At least that's my theory

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Interesting... I've thought of AUs where Pearl doesn't find Lapis and the mirror winds up being owned by someone else. Example, in a Kirby-SU crossover, Kirby gets Lapis' mirror as thanks for helping out a random traveler. This changes up the dynamic by having the Crystal gems be a bit more sympathetic by not potentially continuing Lapis imprisonment.

[@DLxxx]

Except, Lapis was perfectly fine even with a cracked gem. Unlike Amethyst, Lapis was more than powerful enough to hold herself together regardless. Also, Rose's fountain was a thing?

[@firebat9664]

How are we supposed to sympathize with a character when the pumpkin dog is scared of her?

[@imb0tp1ayer12]

True

[@mustachetwirler7617]

How are we supposed to sympathize with a character who, when she served a tyrannical regime, had Lapis Lazuli as her prisoner, dragged her back to Earth and interrogated her… Then afterwards boasted about how Lapis is supposed to be “Impressed” with what she did for forcing her against her will to speak out all that “useful information” to her?

[@imb0tp1ayer12]

@@mustachetwirler7617 Who knows

[@TheFunnyGuy9000]

@@mustachetwirler7617 Pumpkin wasn’t

[@unknownbystander8145]

@@mustachetwirler7617 "Barn mates" is a season 3 episode. Peridot has spent the entirety of season 2 going through character development and just finished saving the world two episodes prior, so most of the audience have more reason to sympathize with Peridot than they do with Lapis

[@oimate6357]

You speak as if being a sociopath is a choice

[@charlottemartyr]

Not gonna lie, I LOVED this show, but the further in it got the more it left a bad taste in my mouth bc it seemed like they tried to get darker and more serious with the subject matter but without the moral nuance and serious consequences that came with that. Like, I don’t think it’s controversial to say there’s a WORLD of difference between say, Lars, who had to be redeemed bc he was an edgy confused teen who was pretty shitty to Sadie and Steven in order to save his reputation with the cool kids, and white diamond, who literally colonized, enslaved, harvested all resources from, and the genocided hundreds of not thousands of planets, yet they’re both treated as characters who not only can and should be redeemed, but can do so just by talking to each other and saying they’re sorry. I will never understand why by the end everyone seems uncomfortable and even ashamed to talk about rose bc they see her betrayal and her role in the war inexcusable and horrifying, completely forgetting the hundreds of years afterwards that they spent together, or why bismuth is too dangerous to let be free bc of her war-warped mindset, or why jasper had to be literally restrained to the ocean floor by a constantly suffering martyr, but ALL the diamonds get like what, 3 or 4 episodes, a few talks, and one instance of seeing Steven do something weird and suddenly the fact that they’ve spent millennia as mass murdering warlords is just forgotten and they’re everyone’s pals who just hang out on earth fixing corrupted gems. I’d honestly buy a change of heart from blue if they set it up better, but yellow and white? Really? And like with trauma, it will be really clear about how much pearl suffered being essentially enslaved and dehumanized on homeworld, and then fighting in a war where a lot of her loved ones died, having to be the sole witness and secret keeper of rose’s true origin, and then losing rose permanently after probably centuries of having this nearly lover-like bond with her, and that’s treated with weight and allowed to impact things and be taken seriously and generally be A BIG DEAL for both the cast and the audience. Meanwhile lapis who went thru very similar if not even worse traumas is always kinda treated like “jeez lapis what’s your problem why are you so moody? Look we’ll talk and be nice and you can share our snacks, so why won’t you forgive literally all my friends for torturing you for like a couple hundred years? At least we’re TRYING lapis you’re just not being a good sport so just forget all your trauma so you can be part of our buddy squad!”

[@splorby176]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1106">18:26</a> did this stuff happen to you?

[@lilllyeevee6536]

They victimized Jasper, but the fans, (only ones don’t know what traumas felt like), treat Lapis is a “bad” Character.🤦‍♀️ I don’t really get Jasper, tbh. She’s kinda like a gullible Person/Gem that throw a fit, just like non lapis fans do. I don’t really get People think Lapis being a bad person, she gone through shit. Even a person fan of Lapis, know it’s just stupid to think Jasper to think to play the Victim Card. People with trauma is misunderstood. They can’t handle what happened to them in the past, it won’t work with the person, who have hurt them in the past, to come again & “try” to make it great again. I don’t care about the other gems, I like Lapis. She’s a great character, if they just giving up hiring worst/bad writer, the show would be mostly great😊

[@mustachetwirler7617]

Damn… I actually could have given this comment a thumbs up and agreed with what you said here… but apparently from what I read in some other comments with you and others, I unfortunately refrain from doing so.

[@DragonGoddess18]

This. All this 💯

[@solierix]

The abused can also become abusers lol

[@zrainyday5266]

@@mustachetwirler7617 wat did they say?

[@mustachetwirler7617]

@@zrainyday5266 It occurred in the replies to Robin De Lorenzo’s comment.

[@CharacterFan815]

You did Peridot dirty too this comment isn’t intended to hate but I definitely feel like you misunderstood peridot for example are we sure she tortured lapis? That’s kinda I wild claim she was probably just intimidated her or was bluffing to get information out of lapis how exactly do you torture a gem?

[@laurenmungaray3912]

No, they didn't do Lapis dirty. Stop justifying everything Lapis does because of her trauma. Neither of them were in the right.

[@Vex-Trixztra]

I personally LOVE Lapis and really love the redemption but I hated the way they did her.

[@DLxxx]

Wait.. what redemption? They never gave her a proper arc in the show from what I recall (at most, there was implied development that happened in the background, but even some of that was iffy).

[@Vex-Trixztra]

@@DLxxx I thought there was darn me misremebering things, I haven't been able to watch it ever since it stopped airing on my tv plan thing and I couldn't buy it either so there's that

[@Bozo69420]

Alr

[@daylamore3300]

Thanks for addressing this, I never liked Lapis. Lol Like I understand she needed space and time to heal, but I felt like the show wanted to forced us to quickly like her. Plus Lapis is low key mean. Lol I didn’t like her until Jasper stomped into her life. Lol Then again I adore Jasper🥰

[@DreamlandRoses]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1127">18:47</a> SHE WHAT?!?!

[@thomaswest2583]

You failed to see this Peridot knows she can't undo the past. So she is making a effort to make peace, which is way more than can be said about Lapis. Lapis was being a bitch I get it she hates Peridot because her and Jasper held her captive. But lets be real if any torture was done Jasper did it. Peridot doesn't have the stomach for it and Jasper is a sadist. Jasper would want to do the torture.

[@mustachetwirler7617]

Peridot did have the stomach and the lack of empathy to attempt to blast Beach City to dust with the Gem War Ship, she attempted to squash Steven with a giant hand, she lured the Crystal Gems into death traps while cackling and screeching out “DIE! DIE! DIE!” And she also threatened to shoot at Steven if he did not fix the Homeworld warp. If Lapis really was a bitch, she would have apprehended Peridot and handed her over to the Rubies for interrogation, out of revenge. Though it does make sense if Jasper was the one who did the torturing, then it would have made more sense that Peridot did not immediately feel shame on herself when meeting Lapis at the barn.

[@confused_Coast]

Kinda weird that you called 'sociopathic' (a term that's not even real and refers to Antisocial Personality Disorder, which so does 'psychopath' btw) several times a character that's heavily autistic coded ngl

[@athena1491]

I caught that too, though I looked into it and the source I saw said they were categories under the umbrella of Antisocial Personality Disorder, since its effects are so vast, having the sub categories helps to separate and identify things. I think.

[@spencerreid2086]

key word being coded not cannon autistic so there's no real offense to be taken here plus there are plenty of issues both individuals with types of APD and Autism face that are very similar so there is some overlap.

[@solierix]

You spelled peridot wrong

[@cornman75]

Do more S.U. videos

[@crashinallguard]

Steven universe is easily one of the worst shows to come out. Ever. 💀💀💀 This is more proof of that.